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i think as long as you own the bader law, you don't coco against national security. i see nothing that they need to feel very . let me take an example. apple daily is not only a haploid, but it's also a prop, again, the done against central government. so if you are running a media with an agenda to sort of thing during our countries national security, there's something wrong, isn't it? well, is there something wrong? what do you think you are part of this conversation? you can be in the youtube comment to be part of our discussion. what we are asking our guest. all is hong kong. now a police state. let's meet our panel. we have katrina, we have been we have i know so good to have all of you on board on the stream. katrina, remind our audience. you are what you do. hi everybody. i'm the
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china correspondent for al jazeera reporting out of aging. but traveling nationwide here in china, good, happy katrina. hello say welcome to the stream. you fill out who you are eating. so hi everyone. my name is phil. so i'm one of the circle, hong kong activist, warranted in hong kong nation, north korean law. i was also one of the 10000 arrestees of the hong kong pro democracy movement. good to have you. and i know welcome back to the screen, remind our audience you are and what you do. i'm an american national. i live in sharing an independent commentator. i'm on over $24.00 channels in china and internationally for any given month by month, 12 channels, year 24. so guess i'm going to start with how much do you think hong kong has changed in the last 12 months with the national security law being now in place? this is what we offer our online community,
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and here is one response. i would love to see thin and katrina and i know if you agree, let's take a look. since the implementation of the national security law is chilling facts, obscene to people's everyday life. so for instance, many of the organizations that disband this where the politicians being present, i've gone into exile further in educational spaces, textbooks, and public library books to the democracy and sensor to pull off the shelf and journalist rather than facing more and more read haven persecution. most recently than popular for democracy, newspaper apathy, we were foster closed. so given all of these repression right now and it, political organizing and grieving events become incredibly risky. so a big challenge that home homer stays is to 5 attractive spaces in ways to continue
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building our connections, the relationship to one another. does not description of hong kong in the past year . does that resonate with the thing? yes. so i took a request for her and i would say it is much more than the shooting, in fact, in hong kong. so in hong kong, because they gave her a call in hong kong. mentioned 60 low. this is the last, the freedom of speech, of this angry press freedom. i think freedom and other civil liberties because of our office a few quick time off daily. we have lost their last pro democracy newspaper, hong kong. so our mission, gordon, is that we have witnessed, there is no real flaw. so we have lost the protection of the private property rights. we've also lost the freedom of the press. so i don't thing hong kong could be qualified as an international financial center anymore. well, i would really highly doubt that if that,
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i mean the number of i p o that are going through hong kong are very high level right now in terms of the overall, i mean, hong kong is now peaceful. you're not having the kind of chaos that you has for 4 years since 2014. i mean there's a lot of people who are affected by that. there been interviews with them. they were running small businesses. they're very dependent on the tourism trade and things like this. so they really kind of, you know, it depends on what you're perspective. it's now fin says pro democracy, well it for some pro democracy is pro independence. and there's this line between them and basing in their mind was extremely, you know, they restrained for those 4 years, while in essence there was a lot of chaos going on the streets. the 1st duty of a government is to make sure that people are safe and their property a safe pro democracy movement. some of them were peaceful, but there was
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a large contention who decided to take matters into their own hands, beating people they were really harming people. you, everyone saw what happened. well, number one, you and i was like, i respect what i'm saying about the business community. and i do agree that it's about perspective. but i think also that there's more to democracy, that democracy is also about democratic values. and from a reporting perspective, i've been living in china for about 8 years now. and especially about the, the beginning of that time, most traveling between beijing and hong kong. and i always notice that there was a stark, very stark contrast. hong kong was a place of vibrant discussion where people were allowed to just said were protest was a part of the culture that journalists went there to, to cover protests and the government, the, the police force helped to facilitate that. and descent was normal. you didn't have to be brave to be able to to be critical of the government here in beijing. it's
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different. i mean, in the mainland china, in mainland china, it's stock. there are no protests allowed to send, is only for the very brave or for people who are seen as not having much to lose. and i think the, the way i see it is bay ging or mainland china is a play. some people lower their voices, they whisper when they are be critical. katrina, you're, you're a very western view of this whole thing. i mean this, the truth is that most asian societies and you're from singapore, there is a high re like are you that is pace. i'm sorry. oh, i'm sorry. yeah, sure, sure, but i mean it's, like i said, i'm in singapore. these other places, let me just give you a visual and then you can pass what you see, what i'm saying. so this is july. the 1st celebration here on my laptop that the handing over of home home from the british back to china and the difference in the
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crowds in 2003, 2019, and 2021 thing. what's your explanation for this? so this is the direct direct result of the nation with the law. so for the last 20 years, we have to transition all hoping for. so july, march, inventory park and hong kong island. but because of the nation is akila, we don't have such a freedom in hong kong. we don't even have the rights to have peaceful or candlelight fee. joseph hall called for the tenant massacre. so i don't think measures catello is a to that could promote the international status of the city instead of just destroying the city. so the number of the, all the amount of people to send records. and what does that mean that hong kong is qualified for being a national financial center. it's
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a 2 different things. i'm just going to try it, but she said, and originally that it somehow you've lost property rights and that there's inferences. hong kong was disappearing. i mean, i understand his perspective, but you know, i would put a question to you. where did you get all of these ideas? i mean, while the british were in hong kong, after seizing it by force. so they could sell drugs to china. you know, where was democracy then? i mean, it seems to be too many and beijing that it was a kind of delivered a champ poison pill by the depart high. and i want to ask you a question that you post and go ahead. yeah. so i, so if you look at the history, especially those and classify the files from the for one coming office from the u. k. come from much. you can see that for a lot 50 to 70 years. do you get government has been trying to introduce the reform comprehensive democracy reform to hong kong, but because of this, mandatory,
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french, or pressure from beijing, the hong kong, up british to bridge hong kong government couldn't figure history the breadth of and military things until in the very beginning. finally, i'm just going to bring out some of the audience as views as well. so put them to you. alex chung says katrina, you take this one have ever been to hong kong before. it's not even a shadow of its own self. now quick response, katrina, go ahead. i think when you look at the ability to speak out people the ability of people to express what they, they say is important or criticize the government, if you that's what made hong kong special as a part of chinese territory. there's very few opportunities to do that elsewhere in china. so from that perspective, honda has completely transformed they've seen people punished activists protesters, journalists, politicians,
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and people themselves are afraid. they're afraid to speak out. they're afraid to have an opinion which is different from the official narrative. and if they're not directly in told or threatened or intimidated into silence, they are self censoring because of it and cannot on you choose. your says that asian can do whatever it wants. i know go ahead. ok, so katrina, you're based here in beijing. we have this conversation on a fairly regular basis. we talk about the long term situation. what is the duty of a government is provide primary? the 1st thing is to provide a safe place. if you're not safe in your home, if you're not saving a business in your schools, what's the point of all these theoretical things? the idea that a ballot box and a open market is the only way that you can run a country is belied by the with the progress that china, mainland china has had over the last short years. you, you look at other places where you have, quote, democracy, look at haiti. i mean,
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it's a poster child for what has failed both in terms of i'm going to bring us back to hong kong if i may, i know, because have the news agenda right now. let me just show you, hey, on my laptop screen this, this is you for a very long time. when you are protesting, you stayed under the rated rate. are you state secret? because you were afraid for your safety. what made you then reveal your identity? why did you come out? so i have b, i have accidentally become a 1st since june 2019. and for more than one and a half year, i have the under the reader. but in august 2020 my identity was exposed by some pro bridging newspaper. in hong kong, and they reported that the ccp has issue royce to arrest me under the so called national 60 law, for example cruising reform forces. so i would like to tell i know that even to kinda interfere with from media like this one could because cedar colluding with
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foreign forces. so, and that's why today down know hong kong pro democracy to face or x off lawmakers willing what they are into take this interview or this program. so i would like to show this chilling effect. and the problem was to honk on national security law to you to you are no longer in hong kong. i know, let me play this to you. this is an activist and a policy advisor who is talking about the pro democracy at the 5th. now having to go underground, have a lift and have a look at the election system is so risk that we are almost certain most of the face must, a super majority of the state will be fielded by pro china politicians. so there is no meaningful way within the system to fight for freedom and democracy. the situation hong kong is very bye. but as
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always i have faith in the people will go random pop within the system back. i think what they would do and what i encourage them to do is to pursue a path outside the system. well, i mean it's, it's very fine for him to sit outside and recommend that other people go to jail for so verse of activities and things like this. but you know, this, the everything is being framed here in the sense that there's freedom and democracy being called for hong kong is part of china that's there's nowhere that, that is disputed. we're pushing the freedom of expression somehow completed with this idea that, oh yes. and that means that it's a fight for independence. i think that's really the point that i just break because
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what you're seeing is it is it is a slow and steady kind of change of the way the system is working in hong kong. and i think i minors points are valid and that we are seeing in hong kong what some have described as the mainland design is ation. basically that hong kong is very slowly going in that directing in that direction. the system is coming closer to what we see happening across mainland china and that is sadly for the people in hong kong who value the democratic values at hong kong, once represented within chinese territory. this opportunity to speak out to criticize the government. that is not something that there is much space for in the chinese system because of the way it works. we have a one party system here that there is no opportunity to overthrow that party. so there is a one specific narrative that aging needs to maintain in child is very,
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very little room for little else, for the sake of stability, the waging season. and that, that, that is also being reflected in the way that the central government is pulling hong kong now and making an overhaul to the, to the way the political system works there. yeah. my way of doing that. yes. go ahead. yeah, thank you. yes. so i, i also need to remind, i know that there has to be there is this final purchase joint declaration under which the press freedom, democracy to another father should be preserved on such international treaty. and there should be no change for 15 years. however, we have witnessed that after 997 had over ordered all kinds of people, liberties and freedom are correct. well that's not true. after the 97 hand over, those were kept intact until you had 4 years of chaos mean you have to look at it from beijing point of view as well. you know, you're very idealistic,
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you're very young. these ideas you came from somewhere. i assume that your teachers said that these were the values that were in cal cation by the british, when the fact they weren't, the british were not interested in providing democracy until they were about to leave. and they knew that their lease would not be renewed. so, you know, you can revise history and just because it suits your purposes, what we have here is, is simply the struggle between and in beijing point of view, those who seek to change. and you can, china and shield are not going to build up that point that you may because christopher is what do you right now? christopher court right says that hong kong is part of china. nothing will change that. it means a new culture and a new way of living that what we are used to in the west that doesn't make china wrong. it's literally a culture clash. thing. i would agree. and that's, that's what it comes down to say i, i know,
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i know you agree. i'm just interested if, if i'm going to put that to thing, it's like this is the new normal thing. this is china. hong kong belongs to china. and this is what the future is going to look like. thank god. i don't think this is their way to hong kong should look like and under the british context, asian, which is an international treaty. hong kong on congress enjoyed different kinds of 60 liberties for at least 50 years. since 960, the hong kong has been called ernie by the ccp. the deter, any kind of them were quite a reforms to deter any kinds of saudi termination. right. and even before 997 had over hong congress have no say in the hand over issue. so. so actually that's why in 2014 there was the loss of scale umbrella movement. we tried to fight for your new social suffrage war, which was guaranteed under basic law, which was trying to find the ccp themselves. look when you can repeat these things,
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but there doesn't make them true. ok, there was no guarantee you or versus suffrage. it's not independent. if you're mad at the hand over talk to the british. they were the ones who to go shaded on your behalf. so, you know, they're not a study serious suggested, i mean, if i'm not serious, wait a 2nd. i want to challenge you and that how is that? i'm going to challenge you like my religion in the show. there's not a thing. it's not a serious point to make off the british because we're past that now we're way past last katrina. let me do your pass. you're always passed it when it comes to call. yeah. she not make me live on tv. katrina, come on. i really got to be more interactive than even the 3 was capable of. alright, let me let me show you katrina. this is the pulse of arrests that we can look at
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from the national security rule. about 120 people have been arrested. some people will not be out on bail. this is a very serious law. when you look at these numbers that graphic, what does that tell you about the future of hong kong and particularly for activists that are caught up in court cases right now? i do think there is it's time to point to i just point and also to fence point. there was a clash of direction here. so the democracy activists we saw in the leading the lead years leading up to this. we're hoping for to go in the direction of more, i guess, well, i don't recall western democracy more universal suffrage, but in china's eyes aging, they always feel the direction of hong kong. eventually becoming more like any other mainland province, certainly and 50 years. and the way i sort of look at is kind of, they beijing, as this kind of frustrated parent looked at hong kong, which had all these, i suppose, much more democratic opportunities or rights then definitely any other roles and
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china, chinese territory and said, well, you know, we gave you the opportunity to, to vote. it wasn't perfect, but we gave this opportunity and then you could have made a mess of it with this. what they would describe as riots and all this violence. and therefore you prove that we, we couldn't trust you. and so we're going to take off the, take away these rights much faster than they were already going to do. i think china had the attention of turning hong kong into something that was really more unified with the rest of chinese toe tree. beijing has done the soley with other parts of china. we've seen it happen inch and jog in tibet where they had this unification kind of nationalistic agenda. and this was going to happen to hong kong . but what we saw as a result of, of the, the protest movement evolving the way. it was the way it did was that china basically accelerated at this incredibly rapid pace. these changes besides this national security law which removed all basically the voice of this democracy movement and really dismantled essentially let me just bringing one more voice.
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this is joey. if i may, i know bringing this was this, this is joy talking about now, what do you do if you were part of the pro democracy movement? now, what do young people do? have a listen, have a look sensitive mentation of the national security legislation in july 2020 some content from international financial center. a city where are certain level of freedom and democracy into an open. they're pissed. and under the complete control of the chinese was party, the generations of our parents and our grandparents came to hong kong, knowing that this is a stable and prosperous society under the protection of law and all these car valleys upon com. but now for our generation, we either have to leave hong kong from persecution or how to stay in hong kong, and that's not the fear every single day. and what happens to you now? so we to be owners hong kong,
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or is the old pro democracy on congress. we are struggling to suffice and hong kong receipt, because this is via credit done by asian. and we have one seen johnson china already. if we don't stop at all, we all may be the international community. don't stop the ccp from create a more seen job that it could be the end of the call. but we do think that this is the last chance to fight, and we will continue to resist ccp and document in hong kong should be off the people by the people and for the people. it's a really interesting cuz a lot of us constitute there's a lot of conversation on youtube comments section about why don't you just off con condos, what they want is that even possible right now? katrina, i think what is important to know it is that in china we have a one country system we need. i mean, aging needs this basically unquestioning loyalty from its population because it,
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it doesn't want obedience by force obviously will use force if it needs to. but it wants people to choose the, the communist party, they want to choose the communist party based on true belief. and it's what should a messy that is doing the right thing for the people now on the mainland. that's easier, especially among the older generation because they've grown up with the communist party and seeing a difference between maybe they grew up in the time or they experience a time of chaos where they couldn't eat. and now things have markedly improved. and so they have more of this loyalty, but in the younger generations. and certainly in hong kong who didn't have this opportunity, they didn't grow up with that and said they grew up in a more of a globalized world or world where they could look across. and see the grass where people had both. there's civil civil rights as well as development and they are having to engender disloyalty. and to do that, you need to control the narrative. you need to control the message not injustice, trina use papers and on the streets you need to control it in education, and definitely, i only see that direction of trying to continue. what i do that,
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trina in hong kong control it in message. thank you. i wanna thank you for the arm wrestling as well, and i appreciate the, the dynamic debate that we all just had and youtube as well. i'm going to leave you with potentially what might be the new look for young people in china and the kind of education that they may well, thanks for watching. the next time with the covey. 1910 is threatening one of the singapore, my blood tradition. it's famous straight to the fragile use on $1.00 0, $1.00 east investigate it. poker can innovate to survive on al jazeera when a war crime is committed, is it came to the follows. are carson human rights investigator on his unprecedented journey to the french high court? i says it every place to make sure that the information that ought to bring its
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