going corona virus case he's there, catalonia is limiting, private and public gatherings to 10 people and says, all public activities must finish by half past midnight in valencia. the curfews being imposed during the early hours of the morning and gatherings are restricted to 6 people. the italian government is banning big cruise ships from venice is historic city center. as of next month, the infrastructure ministers as is necessary to protect the cities environmental and cultural integrity. the ban follows protests against the ships which had been found to hom, benefits, ecosystem and fragile buildings. but some people to welcome them in the passengers contribute to the local economy. ah, this is al jazeera, these are the top stories so far. south africa's military has been deployed to contain violent protests, at least 45 people had been killed. the unrest response by the jailing of the

former president jacob zimmer. but have since grown because of economic frustration . i mean, the miller is in johannesburg. she says the police have been struggling to contain the violence. they are a couple of seats that are deserted and that's certainly the hope that the presence of the army will quell some of the riots that we've seen. the government has previously been criticized for deploying soldiers in the hot spots during difficult times. one of them was during dinner phobic attacks in johannesburg, and now we seeing it again during this unrest. also another time at the beginning of the code at 1900, not down in south africa to ensure that people adhere to those restrictions. the concern is that soldiers are necessarily trained in terms of crowd control and dealing with civilians. a fire at the curve at 19 ward in an iraqi hospital has killed 92 people, the prime minister as ordered the arrest and the suspension of several officials in

the city of nasiriyah. in april, a similar incident led to widespread protests. cuban police are out in full force after unprecedented antique government demonstrations. the president is blaming us sanctions for the economic hardship which prompted the biggest uprising and decades . president biden says, america stands with the people of cuba, against decades of repression, degrading vices in ethiopia. say they've seized a major tone in a new offensive. they're spokesman says the town of ria was taken off the federal and m. r. a forces with crew. the international energy agency has warned that a spat between 2 of the world's biggest oil producers could end up in a price war. there is little sign, saudi arabia and the u. e. have made progress in resolving a dispute of how their production costs are measured. those are your headlines. the news continues here on alex's here, after inside story, i'll have a news for you in a little under 30 minutes. we'll see that, ah,

ah ah, that's going public in cuba, the government being blamed for the economic collapse and people want more freedom . also calling for the covered leadership, does that sound the where does this leave a communist party in havana? this is inside story. ah, ah, ah hello, welcome to the program of the whole roman food and medicine shortages, electricity blackouts, and a 3rd in corona virus cases. keepers worsting living conditions have sparked the

island nation's largest protests in decades. many cubans say that they've had enough of government policies that have taken to the streets, demanding. the president stepped down, but also calling for more freedom and a using slogans against the ruling communist party. dozens of people have been arrested and cut down on security forces. activists are using social media to gather support, but there are no restrictions. internet access present. miguel diaz canal who succeeded around cancer this year, called on his the porters to defend the country. he's blamed the turmoil on decades long us sanctions, which have dried up cash resources. loafing, nancy, i mean to care for you will receive the lack of finance for governance is due to the aggressive policy of blockade and financial persecution by the us. its being maintained by the government and we have not been able to maintain and fix the power supply planning. and now the with administration during donald trump's tenure imposed more than $200.00 new sanctions on cuba and president joe biden house. the

fall left those measures in place. he's urge the cuban government to listen to people's grievances folks. i want to start by recognize a remarkable protest taking place in cuba. cuba, people demanding their freedom from an authoritarian regime. i don't think we've seen anything like this in a long time. of course, frankly ever in the united states stands firmly with the people or q as they assert their universal rights. and because the government, from the human to refrain from violence or attempt to silence the voice of the people or q all cuba has been suffering hardships in the clamps of it's back of the soviet union. it's not facing the greatest economic crisis in more than 30 years. the economy shrank by 11 percent last year, and it's believed to be far worse now. tourism revenues, a main source of income for many cubans have dried up the number of international

travelers out to 9900. then compared to the before cubans wait in lines, hours to buy basic products, pharmacy shelves, empty, and electricity blackouts, a common the price of goods has also sold with inflation at 500 percent unexpected to increase further the government's reserves, the foreign currency a depleted and that cannot afford to buy in goods to make up for the shortages. ah, well let's bring in august joining me via zoom from havana in cuba is gregory burial ski. cuba analyst and strategic consultants from miami, florida. in the united states, rosa maria via the founder of cuba, decide the pro democracy movement and the executive director of the foundation for pan american democracy. and then also the canadian capital hollow tel pack, the author of the book, cuba military keepers, military, 990 to 2005 and a professor at the royal military college of canada. will welcome to all of my

guest and thanks for joining us on this edition of inside story. mr. ben, he'll see because you were in havana just like tonight, i mean anger on the streets of cuba. many might not have thought they would ever seen the scenes that they did. and how surprised are you about what you've seen, certainly from sundale woods. in fact, if i'm surprised, if that is that the signs of anger and discontent hadn't manifested months earlier . the situation in cuba has been extremely critical for many months now. and if anything surprising it, it's the populations patient with the regime and, and until last sunday, holding back in mass program. miss pine in miami, let me bring you and you have a different view. perhaps different perspective being across the water. what surprised you about sunday, or did it surprise you at all? now it was not. it was not a surprise actually from,

from the beginning of the year deal you uncertainty. there were more than more than 1000. and 100 brought this that we know off. so the big conditions were where were created for, for these to have any sounds in it is their pricing. is that this massive, massive way to go to the didn't happen before. we reuse there in sunday more than 45 between seated and towns that were protest. and we're talking about hundreds of thousands of cuban industry at the same time across the island demand in read of the man, the, the end of dedicated mr. cliff pack in auto was this just, you might say a, a pressure cooker just waiting to burst. i happen the only surprise here is, is the time before there was an explosion of sometime around the suffering that to

your program is going through the works period. perhaps works for me and even on the special period of a mighty 90 where things were pushing back on. there are other elements such as the of the of the embargo which has already tara for, for the roof. indeed, it will take the program develops. can i bring in gregory again in havana? i mean, how concerned were you? and you saw to hear reports about the heavy handedness of the security forces. they've, the authorities on the island have tried to hold back over the last 6 decades when it comes to protest like this. for the moment i wasn't that concern perturbed any, any kind of hindrance. public protest of course is disturbing. i would,

i would also say though, that compared to protests around the world, the cuban military had shown considerable restraint. i mean, there are no serious injuries that have been reported by these 3 media, definitely know deaths. and i know i have friends that were part of the program and they themselves said that they weren't happy with it. but they were not allowed to protest in a way that again, compared to protest throat, latin america for colombia or chilly, where you had 800 people losing your eyes because that rubber bullets cube his reaction was, was quite restrain that does not justify stopping it. but we, i think we need to note note the different a miss, but i was watching you. gregory spoke you shaking your head. and that's disagreement. we've got to come in. yes, of course have because maybe it's because of the information. maybe it is because of they shut down a internet that happen from crown on the, in the island that,

that they, the right amount of information is not available. but, but you, by you do it to check social media. and i'm to see, for instance, in the report that just to be different. now it will have been 5 versions estimated . we have to leave at least at least a few names which are miss then determine and meet in just a few manage our of course partials, or the name of that brings up deposition that principle of the given little society . but this brought this citizen lead brought in and that have been sounds very so in the whole island they have been, i just saw yesterday night an a, an e. my should media of, of, of the lady crying. i knew screaming because his nephew was killed in best buy meat and my dad there. especial bodies of the day. i mean it's sort of interior that the whole island actually a,

it's spreading mile and again day the people that he's for the district. okay, so we set the scene about what happened was since sunday, so let's just trying to pick exactly how we've got here. mr. cole package it all to . i mean, the government's problems and, and as you mentioned, the embargo, the sanctions, we had, the global financial crushes of what the 19 eighties and the 2 thousands cuba seem to survive through all of those 6 decades of you might say turbo plus the soviet breakup. and very little domestic strife with that, why has it boiled over you think now, is there another reason? well, i think it's just that combination. this is saying months and months of problems that are not the number and many other kinds of things. and by special period standards, electricity. so but the cues in the space or simply unbelievable.

and the and the difficulties and the mattresses are so severe. but even actually given the economic downturn generally, when you add the tremendous success to medicine, the system in the early months now overturned in recent weeks by the explosion of the really it is an extraordinary combination, which i think there's perhaps the 1st time there's a real generalized loss of confidence in whether the government has control of the situation in terms of being able to pull out on the current mr. bidding sky and have you seen building an agreement with that? i mean, you're on the ground that you speak to people all the time. how do they feel about where they are now and who's to blame? yeah. well, i think it's an error to look at the cuban crisis

in a black and white way. i think there is a significant minority of people in cuba who want to see regime clap. i think there is a significant minority of people who are blindly loyalty duration. and i think there is a majority of people in the middle who all want significant economic reform, but do not want to come out to collapse. and i think at least the cubans that i speak to, including cubans are not members of the communist party and to protect government. they would prefer change within the system because they're fearful of collapse. so i think that what does, what did the protest mean people are fed up, but i do not necessarily think that means the vast majority of cubans want to collapse a precipitous collapse of the richie miss pi. i saw you with a wry smile, listening to what gregory had to say,

because i just wonder whether the assumption that people don't want to leave the island. they love that key, but they love that country, but they just want to change of leadership and direction that would take them out of what they've seen as 6 decades of sanction. 6 decades of a blockade. i mean, where is that? is there a happy medium at all? well, everybody and i just do their assumptions and their opinions. but what did people was screaming in district was freedom down with the date or shoot. i'm not in band in this, i'm just repeating. why do we listen to what we listen on sunday, even a monday and they just told me today doesn't come away. there are, there are still protest even and beside old, the repression that have been taking place in the i let the people champion homeland on the live we have in the spanish is bad in the that the people with shunting freedom, freedom freedom down with the faith so i think that's,

that's pretty clear. and i my, my main goal makes me yes, for the national community, for all those people with good intentions. and as those that, that can be panel is please to listen to to people and not so much to hold the propaganda. i'll give again all day, oh the scene. believe them that day, do you run dictatorship? her being able to, to build the last decade and please listen to the people that he's just very dia and he said, you know, gregory gregory is disagreeing with you, but i'll come back to gregory. nobody's going to get to mr. clack. because if you have a disagreement and you will down with the regime is as i was saying, many supporters, what does he in cuba, mister back, what replaces it? and who replaces that? i'm from where? well, i think that's really the key question. the government has been able to take some

time or children's remarkably well. solution gregory is absolutely right. there are significant portions of the election that are still very loyal, not mention the armed forces and those are forces. this is not a black and white situation, but rarely, rarely are. i think that what we see is the increasing perspiration and explosion of the spatial. i think historically, what is the free time lapse of the system? and i believe so either civil war, united states and driven, she's very, very few people want to go down that route. i get every day with i'm pretty mostly there. so perhaps a bit separated from, from some elements. there is not feeling in my view of yours, in the selections style, for the total dismantlement of the system,

which has remarkable achievement. latin american and i think that is the problem. how would you replace what you move in general, rejection of the miami option. going back to 1958, there's general rejection of airing on one on the last 6 years because it's not any longer reducing the good. so i think that is the crisis. people on the island in my mind, not wish to speak and blood in the street, but they neither do they wish to continue asian, what they see, which is what they needed. and it is a agreement to disagree that setting in the notting heads i'm getting, but gregory ebony asking to come back to you notting, an agreement with what mr pack says, but obviously the us themselves are sort of voicing their concern. and it's not necessarily that cuban people want a u. s. style of democracy. they've seen what us intentions can do in other

countries, and it's not great when it comes to what the world thinks democracy should be. where should the debate begin? if it's not in miami, and if it's not in cuba, where should it became i believe they're going to need to take place 1st and foremost between the cuban government, the american government to lift the embargo. i think that would be that the keeping the embargo in place an incredible disappointment here in cuba, by people across the spectrum that biden did not quickly return to obama's policy of, of engagement. that is the key thing lift the embargo 1st. and then if cuba is not change, there is a different argument to be made. but i think the international community is very, very clear at the embargo has no moral basis and should be lifted. and i would like to pose the question the mist does. she also think that the u. s. embargo be lifted

immediately and unconditionally and then allow cubans on the island and cubans in miami dialogue to make changes because the remaining of a bar go maintenance of portraits and policy. and in fact, empowers hard lines, tend to be in the government and weakens, reform is tend to be, i would like to know if i should be. embargo be listed, miss pyre, the floor is yours. that's. that's your opinion that people understand. it's not asking for the listing of the bible is asking for the end of the day to ship and based on the and the real conflict here is not between google and any other country . then we have gone for here is between the bank or ship that for 60 years really rather than to give them people didn't met in the human rights and that. but i bureau for i land into it and deeper, very, very deep and, and buried that crisis. and the people in this is they, we can, we can,

we were able to save our country, but we need the end of the day, or should we need to wait on to do it. and if it's actually, if it's very frustrating, julie sent you an to do for the people that i believe that love they keep on people do what they call in all their dimension. that is not the principal one. we do not need any, any negotiation between the ship and any government as well for our so what we need to do that is we don't need that support of the me work for that. we don't that the people where demand and industry gregory want to come back on vast majority, a few engine. this has been shown. and many, many polling the vast majority of cuban do not support the us embargo. i guess i'd like to refund. what does she think, but moreover, tens of thousands,

but even hundreds of thousands of people in the street is not necessarily people. you was a country of 12000000. so if you can get 100000 on the street, what about the rest of the population? i would say they won't be embargo lifted. i would say they definitely want fundamental economic change and eventually political change. but i think they want it done in a very slow pot files and, and secure way again list the us embargo. this is obviously intervention in the sovereignty and it wasn't. why does every other country in the world say the embargo should be let the i spoken to western diplomats who say the embargo hinders change in cuba. so yeah, another is what changed and i think they should say, i think there's an operating burden publicly. i would like to be buying the ministration to immediately return the position obama and proceed by lifting the market. i would like to say that because i would say, and i'm here in havana, the vast majority of cuban wants the embargo,

listed to date miss tire. while the back and i o this have you been on this? did were asking for freedom of for the end of 30 days, or she another human right defender and human rights has been met by the, by the given. the dates are super 60 years in my conference and to keep making this conversation about congress of the united states and not about de may conflict that is taking place to day to day in my county, which is going to be doing better with the military power cracking down on the, on, on our own and pieces that were asking for freedom. well, i mean that, that's all that was that there. one of course you just hit you, you just tell you what the guy will say. he was not talking about the demand for cleaning up the given people. he was talking about the job that he wants to go. all the county doing all their since we're talking about cuban. and this is among cuban and cubans should be brought and gone. is role in this,

in this conflict because we are the, the, the most and we are the ones that are asking for, we don't, and all that we need is solely dyed the, for the international putting their national get with that very simple demand. okay . me spy, let's go to all to a and to mr. to pack that, because obviously we wonder with all of the disturbances on the streets with the international condemnation that's come with it. how serious or how precarious is president miguel diaz canals position right now? how do you view it? well, i think it's very danger. park, speaking on the black and white firms, there is a crisis. there is an explosion of ire among the large percentage people frustration among the whole of the people who put this in black and white terms of dictatorship against people is really not very helpful and doesn't reflect in the way the last 2

years of experience of the other historian, i'm baffled by this of black and white. we have is a real, real issue on human rights terms. how would you build? well, you have to have a bio or violence idea. this is going to be the people rising or one again, government and therefore it is simply not on when the work, then if you could back mr. click click because it seems that president canal the canal doesn't want to have a dialogue right now. the moment he's just blaming america, everything that's going on in his island on, on his island. so what stage can there be any to any dialogue on who makes the 1st move? you know, if biden's government in the u. s. has maintained the position from his predecessor

how does how, how do you move that the line to start negotiation? yes, i think that's a very for question. of course they, they always do, which is blame, uniquely the. this is the longest economic war for super our country. there's no doubt that the impact particularly access to the national being quickly problem for the state for the last 62 years. but that doesn't mean that the same that they are the only problem when you're only 18 and put them on many levels. while there are many, many achievements which are, are many terms at the same time. at the moment we see more failure than they believe. so he has, he has opened himself up to dialogue with a wider spectrum of relation. but as long as, as long as the,

the embargo is in place, it's extremely difficult to see how one can move forward, because there will be no resources and let them use the mano, who will be very strong. is obviously a subject that we will have to revisit. unfortunately we have run out of time. then i think that we will be coming to the story again. and again, i'd like to thank all of my guest for joining me on this edition of inside. so it's a great off ski road summary of pyre and how color pack, thanks so much. and of course, thank you for watching your course. can see this program again by logging onto our website. is there a dot com of the further discussion gateway facebook page on facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter handle . there is at ha, inside story for me. so rahman and the inside story team, thanks very much for your time and your company. the

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