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problem, i go to bed at night, knowing that i will wake up the next morning. international calls are growing louder for lebanese leaders to form a reform minded government to deal with the collapse. but so far, the priority of the political class accused of years of corruption is clinging on to power. then they're also, you know, they route, ah, this is all just there and these are headlines. 126 people have been confirmed dead and more than a 1000 are still missing in the flood ravaged western europe. raging waters and lamps lives have devastated entire communities, washing away houses and destroying businesses. south africa, as president says, the week of violence and looting in which at least 212 people were killed, was plan, been coordinated, serial rama processes, security forces have identified 12 re needed. it is clear now that the
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event of the past week when nothing less than a deliberate, a co ordinated and well planned attack on our democracy. the constitutional order of our country is under threat. the current instability and ongoing incitement to violence constitutes a direct contravention of the constitution of our country. and the rule of law, as teeniest king has called demonstrators say, tommy can accused him of taking the country backwards. his remarks came as protest as continue to gather in the 2nd largest city of mancini. thousands of people have been reportedly killed and injured in surroundings, began in june 14th, formerly known as slash land is the last absolute monarchy in africa. security forces in bella root have rated another $25.00 homes,
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then officers of activists and independent journalists. it's the 3rd day in a row of searches, journalists and rice group say it's the major crime down on descent by president alexander lucas shanker. i've got the forces of launch and offensive to retake a keyboard crossing with pakistan. the kind of spin ball doc fell to the taliban on wednesday. it's a major supply voltage to pakistan's baluchistan province. and doctors in pakistan have been treating taliban fighters wounded in the latest fighting attorney. banners made significant gains in recent weeks. s foreign troops withdraw from the country and the u. k. has reported its highest number of new corporate cases in more than 6 months. they were close to $52000.00 new infections on friday. it comes days before the government relaxes, restrictions on english by this restaurant, fend nightclubs. you're up to date with the headlines on al jazeera. i'll have more news for you right after inside story to stay with me. ah,
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ah ah. back to square one, lebanon's prime minister designate resigns again after failing to form a new government. who's to blame for this latest setback? and is their political will to pull landed on out of this crisis? this is inside store. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammer, jim john. lebanon is thinking deeper into political and economic turmoil. prime minister designate science,
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how did he has stepped down again after the latest failure to form a new government? he and president michelle our own are blaming each other. many lebanese vented their anger on the streets of bade wood. the country hasn't had a government in 9 months. its currency has lost nearly all its value, pushing many into poverty, food medicine and fuel are in short supply. france has called another international aid conference for lebanon on august 4th, a year after the bay route port explosion destroyed much of the capital will bring in our guests in a moment. first, this report from santa holder, a long political struggle has just become more difficult to resolve. lebanon's prime minister designate, sad and heady has been locked in a 9 months power struggle with president michelle has failed to form his 4th governments. that's not a hunter res. so i met with the president and he demanded what i deem as substantial change to the formation of the government. i suggested to the president
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if he needed more time to consider my proposal, but he saw no prospect for agreement. for these reasons, i stepped down. the political paralysis is expected to accelerate the country's economic collapse. lights are out. most of the day. the cast struck said barely has money to buy fuel, and there is a shortage of medicine making life a daily struggle. as more lebanese are pushed into poverty, the local currency, which already lost 95 percent of its value in recent months, has depreciated further in the hours following, hattie, this announcement, lebanon needs the government to put in place and economic recovery plan. but that government has to be able and willing to carry out the reforms in state institutions. that's the condition set by the international community, which was refusing to issue blank checks after decades of corruption. but there's also the regional dynamic lebanon is entangled in the power struggle between mainly
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she iran and saudi arabia, which used to be an influential player here. and the financial supporter to the mainly some the muslim pro western camp. it too has stepped the site todd at a beer is deeply concerned about their growing power and role of hezbollah and i live in his political arrangement to look forward for any kind of solution that will curtail has of all, as it all in the country. the anger among lebanon, send the spilled onto the streets. they have long complained their power as a community is being taken away. and any attempt to name a new prime minister without the support of this. and the leadership headed by how do they won't solve the crisis. the previous prime minister was chosen by the president and his muslim she off allies. they believe that since arrival of that alone to the presidency he's trying to confiscate or to restore part of the
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law secretion authorities this year are actually they have no problem. whatever the situation is is for the benefits. and they know that any changes in this political system is going to be for their benefit. and for this benefit, because from 5050, we're going to move to one sort of part to day, the state is deadlocked. the power sharing agreement between religious communities, which ended lebanon's civil war in 1990 no longer seems to be working center for the l. z to beirut. ah, all right, let's bring in our guests in beirut, around a hoodie, a political activist and campaigner for a gender equality and it's tumble, but shot it had to be middle east and north africa senior geo political analyst for a clipper data and also invaded christophe. i see the director of the 11 on program at the middle east institute. a warm welcome to you all. thanks so much for joining
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inside story today. but i want to start by talking about the human toll of this political deadlock. the lira has lost 90 percent of its value. more than half of the population has slipped into poverty. there are fuel shortages and medicine shortages. how much are people in lebanon struggling right now? and 1st, hello. i don't know if you are hearing me correctly because part of the total collapse of lebanon is also to the d and the internet. now the, it's definitely a very severe humanitarian crisis. my contact is 2 basic needs approved medication . the health care system is collapsing the after day. however, this is not as typical him anything in crisis. so it's not something that was and not that we couldn't prevent. this is a systematic murder of the lebanese people and people living in, in lebanon. everything that we're seeing here has the effect on
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a violent war or an embargo without actually having violent war. and it's actually the acts and a years of the rooming of, of this political class. this led to here, we are in a very, very difficult situation. i think the label of that people used to put on the lebanese people, after millions has to be vanished. we are in a very, very severe situation when it comes to basic access, access to basic needs. and i think what's the most dangerous now if you want to take, i want to talk purely from a human level. is the total collapse or the day by the collapse of the health care system, which means people don't have access to medication, but also don't have access to health care and to hospitals. and while they're willing mafia is watching, i don't call it. you may think, i would like to call it a systematic murder of the lebanese people because all of this could have been prevented if we weren't ruled by by the people who are ruling bus today. kristof
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did, sad, had a resignation. come as a complete surprise. was there any expectation that there might be some last minute political deal or was nobody expecting that? i highly doubt that a lot of people were actually surprised by this resignation yesterday. at the end of the day, it's just a pure continuation the episode that we've been seeing over the past month or really decade or to any total in capacity and unwillingness on behalf of the political establishment and part of that establishment to really be able to push forward the reforms that are needed to be able to reverts and at some point to recover from the collapse. therefore it's clearly not a surprise. 9 months had the last $200.00 to $60.00 days, $266.00 days to be exact. and over the course of these 9 month, the status quo have been maintained politically, at least, which is a total impasse. but what we've seen and my call to get touched upon that a couple of minutes ago, just purely seen the depreciation of the currency,
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the reserves at the central bank that are essential for any recovery effort being depleted without really any purposeful depletion. actually, it's not being used for any particular sake. therefore, it's not a surprise, the political step stalemate continues. and if there's one thing that you know, people in love in on and hopefully observers and countries outside of the country. if there's one thing they haven't really liked by knowledge, hopefully they do is that this is stablish ment. bays are pretty much over and they are absolutely incapable of handling managing. and one day resolving crisis. political impasse continues in lebanon. i'm curious from your vantage point, how much has sad, how do you, these resignation complicated this already intractable, political crisis. even complicated, even more situation in the country. because previously there was some sort of
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a consensus over how d, the leading the government formation process, whether on national or whether also local course on the region. we know that there are some so called the device on the radio on you to particular which kind of complicated his drive in order to or kind of leverage and his process with different needs. stakeholders in terms of forming governments. but, but the problem is at right now, and this is something how do you just pick the last night and you reschedule interview? i look at the station, you said that you will not be naming any candidate to replace them as the prime minister designate department government. and he might not even give the both the competence or did prime minister if you manage to form a government. so what does this mean? this means that any new government that it might be formed that probably the other
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political stakeholders agree on will not, or will lack the confidence of one of the major constituencies in the country, which makes it hopping on one foot. it's better to do that, but in terms of applying the much needed reform, no prime minister was there, touched the very explosive buy of the country in terms of b as forms without having the support of all the different parts of the country. this is why, how do you yesterday raise the state by not seeing that in addition to the fact that he kind of hinted at the role of hezbollah, basically, and not pressuring enough current sitting president, president in terms of or for to drive by actually the government formation, which would got a exasperate tension between the different constituents in the country. run out with this so delicate sectarian power sharing system in place in lebanon is there.
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is there any hope that a technocratic and reform minded government can ever really become a reality in the country? you know, i think it's almost 2 years after the revolution, the voices that were actually questioning whether an alternate this could work. i think what we are sure about is that the current state is a total failure and that due to the people currently ruling us are a total failure. and not only because they are incompetent, but also because they are criminal and august for the biggest. i think at proof of that now would you tell me that the system is a functional this them and if we get clean people and people that are not a couldn't it will work. i don't think we will be in this situation, but i don't think that it would work. i think there is an essential problem in the system today in our political system, in this power sharing system. and yes, obviously, if we want to be, if we want to have
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a brighter look on them and we would know that don't be a secular democratic state, would work, especially in today's world, especially with the generation of the revolution. and especially after the systematic failure of the system, this doesn't mean that we don't need an emergency plan today. and then we need people to handle the what we have been left with. what these people have actually at destroyed in this country and, and even any sound mind today that remembers, be with or think of lebanon, would have never imagined that they would lead us to where we are today. so we need an emergency plan. yes, we're the general government if this is possible and we allies the book, but there is a profound looting problem within the system. we live in and i don't think it is possible to have long term surviving lead on with the current system. it is also very delusional to think that the problem in the community and the problem and that people hate each other because of their sex. we need to make to need to make it
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clear that regime problem. and it is a ruling mafia that had the arm, the militia, the corruption, the money, the best people to where they are to date. so, you know, it's kind of when you say, oh, but between israel and palestine, it's a religious issue or it's not, it's a colony that's occupying it people, it's the same thing in leather, not so yes, the system is a secretary and system that is completely dysfunctional. but the basic problems are these, these criminals that lead the country to way it is to day. so yes, with a change a system, but also yes with an emergency plan today because it is also in can amik problem. yes. but also a big political problem. it's impossible the same day of the resignation that you had jumped from 19000 through 223324000. this means that of course, we have an economic problem, but it did deeply and, and, and the root of it is a political, political problem. we're not in the real estate crisis. we are in
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a regime crisis. christ off. how difficult is it going to be to find somebody to fill the post vacated by sad? how did he and will mr. how do you read back a replacement when it comes to skills and qualification? definitely not terribly complicated. the problem is, at the end of the day, purely political and not technical and not one of qualifications. which is why i'm how much i think there are one of 3 options in front of us today. and i highly doubt there's going to be anything other than died. so 1st of all is to your point, we do not find a replacement. and what that ends up doing is just creating an cementing this political vacuum that we are now living in prison on did mentioned that he was going to call for the consultation with parliament. we don't know if that's going to happen anytime soon. so if that doesn't end up happening, then we're going to see a reactivation of the pretty much defunct job caretaker government that we have today. so that's option one, cure political about you until either a total explosion or we end up going to words election. but electrons are really 9
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months away. and a lot of things can happen then. option 2 is just playing the classic consensual democracy guard which is becoming tougher and tougher really to implement, which is where, how did he ends up under international pressure by discussing with i like domestically, whatever is left up is not like domestic. we tried to potentially flow to name that could be accepted by the f b m by his butler and the coalition there. and then what we'll end up producing really, sadly, is just yet another government that had absolutely no capacity to deal with the crisis. and hopefully that's one of the lessons learned from the french initiative that any establishment link government is going to be totally incapacity. they're not able to do anything on the ground. and then the 3rd point just touched upon a slightly earlier, and we need that the only way forward to actually be able to manage and get out of the crisis. is the traditional government with exceptional legislative powers which has been floated months and more than you know, 2 years ago, probably by a lot of the alternatives, political parties that will effectively transition us towards the secular civil
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state. and be able to adequately unfair, the manage, and allocate all of the systemic losses into crisis. and hopefully that's one of the lessons learned from this entire fiasco and the repeated gasket for the international community. that what has been tried before it is simply no longer working. the type agreement is pretty much dead at this stage. the good things about it were never implemented. and what we're living now, 30 years later is just the remnants of a fail system that needs to be revamped. bashar, the european union has said it wants to agree by the end of july on a legal framework for a packet of sanctions targeting lebanese leaders. do you think that the you will actually do that and if they do, what would those sanctions look like? i think you is definitely heading that direction after almost a year off, throwing a lifeline for the lease which why or which symbolize the french. and this is the by presidents benchmark. that doesn't say menu, right?
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the beta right after the drug, the heart of the cities. so the french were heavily involved in the process of trying to form a government. and they have the 1st row experience. how difficult, how complex that that process is and who are there like disruptive factors and forming a government that can actually start making certain forms to try and say, what is the country? so the french have basically worked everyone over the past a few months and trying to achieve a consensus within the european union in order to officially announce their invention. also trying to are their demand functions on the needs politician. what will those spectrum be? i think there will be going to target the quality that probably tier one or 2 to politicians as a 1st that maybe their advisor,
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their bank accounts and trying to strip them up their b does not that many of the members of the ruling kind of have an other passports, so they might be bad from job. we know that many of the politicians actually need know their money over the past 2 years or even more, or they transferred their money abroad and they're kind of relying on bells in order to re establish themselves and becoming faith and one action. so this is something that might complicate their plans, but it becomes very nearly, but i'm right to hope that this will drive the country under different constituents in order to achieve some sorts of an agreement over a new government. i'm not that hope because i previously one for us the department start get the drug the see the. 3 current president and they had the largest parliamentary block and part of them and nothing happened,
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but i'm not back down to actually be leverage in order to fight them to his relationship with bala and in order to demand more and more which kind of gave him the question, and the current, or in the previous conversations that were happening with prime minister designate in order to, to use or turned out any of the proposition by how do you do even turn down the international pressure that was thinking by whether by egyptians or the french or the american or what have you. so this is definitely, it's something that should happen. it's something that reflects on the inside of their talk about principles and a bullying the principal. but what it, so the problem 11 and i really have read it skeptical will be by the end of this month, around a do you think from your vantage point that you, sanctions targeting lebanese leaders would be in any way effective in putting
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enough pressure on them to really start trying to enact reforms and potentially starting to turn the situation around. i don't think this is sufficient where and if actually where we are headed now, you know the french initiative and even other 40 hours as well. all the initiative to try to solve the problem and from the government was always being dealt with in the same circle of the political room in class. for me, in this extreme situation where our back is against the wall, i think extreme measure should also be thinking yes, these are people who are money and put their money outside. of course they shouldn't have access to it. yes, those are people who like kept the nitrate in the port. i don't know and, and be a blue in its entirety with people. yes, they should be in jail. for me, these are reasonable and legal measures to take. i don't think unfortunately they are sufficient. let's think for example, the u. s. sanctions on that has to be obviously the major roommate party and they
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were mostly a targeted in the banking sector. there were no actual as sanctions that could actually limit the power and take over even more parts of, of or most of our, our shares in the country. so for me they, they might be necessary actually, they aren't ego today. if you understand in the you are outside the you, that some people have go and money and or it's a, you know, laundry, laundry money or it did that. it's something that the book, obviously you have to, to take by the rule of law and topics. so it's not a big favor, it's actually applying the line international law, but i don't think to be sufficient. i think we have to have the total or any, any country to be in the world should have a total break up with the current regime. a total break up and stop pushing for a solution within the actual task if you want or the actual system that we have. because as we seen, it's not working christ off. i just want to take a look at the big picture here for a moment. does the political will from your vantage point?
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does the political will exist right now to pull lebanon out of this current crisis? it does not, and i think at this stage, it's no longer a matter of political well. it's a matter things being enforced and things that the balance of power really changing . and the cost benefit analysis that political parties and the mean political terriers in lebanon are thinking through and reconsidering, and reassessing, and like a regional dynamics. some repro small, the potential deal, or lack thereof between the u. s. in iran, etc. so people are still at this stage in a way lacking agency to conduct any real reform to make any real political decision making lebanon is a tiny country. what needs to be done have been clear for years now. we know where the problems are. it's just a matter of having the right away the sticks and carrots, but also the right institutional set up in place where regional powers international powers. but more importantly, people end up in on can step up to the stage and take matters into their own hands
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in a way, not necessarily by violence and all that, but by tier political organizing. so that, that balance, if that were died it still to the stage on the side of establishment party ends up switching. and then realities will then be different and dot in itself with the support of things such as potential thanks trends, which are tools rather than policy. and with an entire revamping of the political system, which once again, it's pretty much that at this stage could impose and that's why it's not a well, it's more of an imposition of new reality. he's on the ground that will help us, hopefully unclogged. these issues in a regional, international mediation has failed to bridge the differences between lebanese leaders. is there any international actor at this point who can play a more effective mediating role? i mean, it's not effective media can grow as much as a role of pushing things forward. i think the only layer region can do that is actually the iraq,
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surprising or not. because being made power house and 11 on at the moment and has to dictate things almost entirely on the different constituencies become free. actually, the closest that i off the president i'd had retained very good relations with all the different, you know what the day the president. no one wants to fight against the ballot. don't want to drive the situation forward, but i don't think it has to do that. and the tradeoff our, the court benefit approach, which chris mentioned and not right, where is to move forward from the current regime and it's for the current balance when it was over the country. all right, we have run out of time. so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much. all of our guests on the hoodie the shuttle how to be and krist off of you know, safe and thank you to for watching. you can see this and all of our previous programs again, anytime by visiting our website of 0 dot com and for further discussion,
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