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ah, ah, this indonesia becomes ages colbert, 19 epicenter, hospitals are overstretched. cemeteries are full, even vaccinated doctors are dying. so how did the outbreak spiral out of control? this is inside story. ah . hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammered. jim, jim cobra,

1900. sweeping across indonesia at alarming speed. it's overtaken. india is asia pandemic hotspot. the country recorded more than 34000 new infections and 1300 deaths on monday. although that's down from saturday's peak of nearly 52000 cases, this chart from the university of oxford, our world and data shows the numbers going up dramatically over the past month. researchers believe the real figures could be much higher because of low testing rates. the highly infectious delta variant is driving the surge. indonesia has the highest cobra, 1900 fatality rate, in se asia communities are relying on volunteers to bury relatives who died at home . makes it graveyards, are working round the clock. hospitals are turning away patients because they don't have beds or oxygen. some are even telling people to bring their own oxygen supplies. the most likely i came here from suzana hospital. i feel 10 oxygen

cylinders last night and have to buy 10 more cylinders. only 6 percent of indonesia population is fully vaccinated against cobra. 1900. the country's relying on china's saddleback job, which appears to be less effective. $114.00 doctors have died this month. despite 95 percent of health workers being inoculated. the u. s. is donating 4500000 with darren of ac scenes, some of which will be used as booster shots. the government has banned non essential travel over the muslim holiday. very, the love ha, to try and curb new infections. ah. all right, let's bring in our guess, joining us on skype from jakarta. irma, he yanna co founder of law or cove at 19 an independent corona virus data initiative. from brisbane, australia. dr. dicky, put him on an epidemiologist and ph. d. candidate on global health security at griffith university and also from jakarta, bumble hurry, morty, a public policy analyst, a warm welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining us on inside story today

. irma, let me start with you. many believe that the governments data doesn't reveal the extent of this cobit 19 crisis. what do you say to that? are the numbers being under reported? yes, it is. so we're as a citizen, reporting a data in this year. actually we found we collect data from the grassroots level and this so that we saw that many like for example, many deaths are not being count. ash corbett, 90 deaths. this is a real problem. and we also try to look at to the official data at the city level and at the provincial level level and then at the central level. and unfortunately there is a discrepancy of the number of death coffee, 9 been death, a deva that are. 7 released by beast,

left different level of government, the city level, a provincial level, and central level. so this is 19 data transparency remain here. it's a challenge for indonesia and s t v. you know that data is one of the key import an element to tackle this pandemic because without having a real data, without having that data that is accountable, that is reflecting that situation on the ground. i don't think that the decision maker could make an acid and base a public health decision maker in order to control the plan to make bon bang. we're seeing these heart breaking scenes play out in different parts of indonesia right now, whereby you will have people being turned away from hospitals, hospitals not having enough beds, hospitals not having enough oxygen, there being oxygen shortages,

just how stretch are the hospitals right now and from your vantage point is the medical system close to collapse? well, i think it is actually basically sounds already collecting. yeah. because now they have to add more room to so many now cannot accept non creations because they are increasing the capacity for vision heuer on the treatment. yeah, it's clearly and not under that. you're also begin to see that many, many more people died while they're doing their own in the independent isolation in their home. so many of the community health generally see who you're at work on need to monitor down and to bring them to the hospital getting worse

now. and i have to worry them well because they didn't bring them to work and maybe died in the ambulance on the way they're fine. and in fact, i guess in 1900, almost 2000 people waiting at m like in june when inside and outside the emergency room, there are almost 1500 people in waiting to get emergency room. so you can imagine that many actually don't even bother with them. or they just go around in the one or in, and i tried to find later they might be an open engine. and somebody else, dickie. where do things stand currently when it comes to testing? are there enough,

coven 19 tests that are being done to get an accurate count of the number of cases . on the monday since the beginning of the front of me, indonesia, the man in the low rate of testing and pressing capacity. and it's shown by the we can see the, the support specialist with the rate of the country since the beginning of fun to meet up to. now we've seen always above 10 percent, and it's mean and not a level also regarding our community transmission is since april, up to now still in the community transmission and it's mean the country and many region in english, i cannot divide and also not only the infection cases, but also the class, then it's put the canopy in for noble supervision because then me see the what

the my say and i was so they say that the, the government figure is not reflected the real condition in the community. and the main reason of these is how to finally it, what if we cannot find the friction then how come we can cut the transmission because isolation and current that is the main strategy that we have to do to cut the stands we should. and the other things is that we face. now we've faced this very serious threat is which is the delta bar, which is, is not only by we cannot only dealing with the restriction, but we have to combine with barely extreme, not only 6 follower brought us this thing, been saying something, the sd capacity, but for indonesia, i, i had extreme testing more than 1000000 a day. at least the find the, the,

the infection among the community for your organization has been involved in collecting data related to cobra. 1900 cases across multiple sectors of society. let me ask you, what are the numbers like when it comes to people who've died from covered 19, who are in self isolation? right, that's a great question. i think it's we collect this data based on social media and mass media report and also at our local net works. and then we try and we did trying relations to make sure that we don't have double data to make sure that the data is accurate enough. and since you, until now, we recorded that there are at least 112 people who died during the self isolation at their home, as mentioned by them,

a bad so many families, so many people. so many passions have been turned away from one to another hospitals and resolved thing that they have to stay at home. they have to go around finding a medical help and then let them let some of them died at home without any help. then i wanted to and besides that, the number of the health care workers in indonesia who died from office 19 is also very big. so, so far over the past one and a half years, we recorded that more than 1440 helped workers a draft, indonesia who guide from august 19th and this month alone. in july we are not yet in the end of july. so this month on the,

there were 224 year war girl who died from corbett 19. so this is very, very disappointing. this is a very sad situation, norma and i remind you that let me just sorry to interrupt you, but let me just ask when it comes to that point about the record number of health workers who have died due to covert 19, i've seen the reports there have been doses moderne has sent by the us to indonesia and that the plan is to, you know, give them there and i've seen as a booster for the health care workers, why have the health care workers been so vulnerable and will more be done to protect them going forward? i think dr. dickie would be the great person to answer this question, but let me just jump in very shortly. i think because the transmission of the virus, the magnitude off the pad of me, it's to way too big for us this make. so many patients comes through the

hospitals, so the hospital, many hospitals, across delphi and bali island, they're all full. so can you imagine when the hospital for recover at night the patient, you can imagine the transmission of the virus around inside the hospital. and then the number of health worker also at the race in faction to offer the virus because they are very intense and they are constantly continuously helping the passion, the patients in the hospital. so there are very pro and, and there are where we in a race of infections. and also of course we need to know the, the presence of delta very and as far the fact in, i guess the doctor gave, would you my choice would be the right answer. yeah. are i, dickie? let me go to you then, and throw the same questionnaire way. first of all will more be done to protect

health care workers in indonesia. why is the situation so bad for them right now? so it's really almost 90 percent of our locus already got these, sent a fax in 6 months ago more than 6 months ago. then i can see the analyze for the, from the light, the sedation, that seems this box in decreasing the effectiveness 50 effectively the, again, the are in protecting the, the, the had given us. so it's mean that's very important point. and this analyze is, is related to the finding from the, the, but still not published yet. but the 2nd one, it seems, it's a sin of a foxy and less effective, effective with the less effective, again the new party and especially the party. and so that's why i'm the said that one of the demo, just you know, the show who can find the government since last month. this hour

will cause a need more protection. and in the situation, we need the wooster because of my order the mention less correct. because they are very for number because the number of the space and the scene creasing. and of course during the situation x, how's the, you know a day that will they will be a point of this weakness when they feel it's houses. of course then these, these, these transmission will be easy to get and, and of course, as the one also the demolition in the world will contribute to the w h your definition now to now to development. the definition of i had also and the higher born, i can say. what then see of these still the very end in, in transmitting through these airborne recognition when i, it was very effective and, and that's why we can see from,

from which patient even nisha is easy even from in, in the household in one. let's say one room in much needed in a heartbeat one, almost 100 percent off. secondary i take great. so we can then see what the model is already mentioned. the number of these breakthrough in a friction among how coworkers is increasing and when the data number. so again, that's why these protection is very important. not only draw from what by the provide then the, the nation, but also strengthening the effect and control. and especially the percent protection bung. why have vaccination rates been so low in indonesia and also officials have indicated that they want to vaccinate around 3 quarters of the population by early next year. based on what you've seen so far. is that even

possible? i think i have to disagree with your son and i think we can get you into a box in each end rates in indonesia is quite high. i think we have done more than 41000000 proxy nation. 60000000 them already on a 2nd shot. but the problem is we are not using the most oxygen we are using was reached in later studies in biological, wendy's not effective again the delta area, and therefore there is a need to we actually made the health worker and those application. and i think about 3 days that they already started leaving that the more they are not through chinese doctors from the university of indonesia. and then we're going on right now

. i think about a 1000000 people between 800-0021 point 1000000 people. so in terms of up to an agent and then the job is, i think i'm wrong. yeah. but we have a very big mission, but we don't get good. i mean, the most effective proxy and the government lying to their me guy that by getting why several more they are not and then it got and now i got into planning that we started or goes at risk back. we have to wait how but i'm on my on that i can i think they've gotten when they start off white, good back. you just have to clean up the mass like the community or my how much of a problem is the spread of misinformation in indonesia?

when it comes to combating the virus, i mean has that been a major obstacle? that's part of an a major off obstacle. so be actually, i would say we have 2 different miss information or miss information and this information. so we have a 5th, so many missed information sent the beginning off the plan to make, but also there is no specific and there is no strong a ford from the government to address this. and this information, this talks, it's been around since the 1st time of the pandemic here. and then the secondly, unfortunately, when there is no action to address this information to actually i could see it's the situation. it's getting worse. actually. some off the golfer been replaced in fact they've actually also mentioned a non scientific, a joke that doesn't necessarily they do that which makes public even

in the confusion. like for example, we are a very strong community because we are very be a real lead that we are, we will not get to ask because off it. and then we have so many local tribunals toward that would make us stronger even get bid against the virus and so on and so forth, which all of them would not base on the there is no lack of the risk next time. if it, based off of these situations, in fact, actually the government should implement the risk of many occasions. my thoughts are a way in delivering or in giving a statement to public that way. the public would a more alert into the real situations. and this also includes the problem off the transparency. so when the data is transparent and accountable at and when the

government published and called me on the and then pro more base situations, the real situation that would make public more educated on pad. and also it would raise the public awareness and also alertness about the situation. so this alert nice would leave the public to follow the health protocols that the government asked the big 2 adair on it. but also i wanted to make a comment on the vaccinations because based on their survey that we had, we had a couple of times the survey i'm checked in and see, but it's on the limited in the capital city of indonesia and the findings. we found that people are still of those who are still happy, that even though on lee a one off the jack populations are very small numbers. but it's still matter

because we need to make sure that all of the population is facts in there that but this one 3rd of the population, they are still has it than to get the facts in because of how little issue and then the advocacy matters. and then the side effects and so on as of what so there's been a big homework by the government that they have to address the situation in this way. they, they have to make sure the advantage off vaccinations that the, the benefit of actually nation where you in the race. so i would say we need promotion. so when it's serious a combination of both factory and, and, and also the, the government all wish mentions about heart immunity, hurt me. they had immune day. it's been going around since the 1st time we have the facts in. and as i mentioned that indonesia is one of the fastest. com 3 who wrote

that will also actually nick and i agree in terms of numbers. yes it is. but the way, how does this number does this number extract this enough, are getting the more the most vulnerable people, the more for now, but group that is very detrimental, in order to make sure that the whole population, or most popular nation, will get the immunity. because when we wanted to fax in bourbon, wanted to build the need, the, the population, heart immune need the mac. you need to make sure erm i'm, i'm sorry to interrupt you, but we are starting to run out of time. and i just wanted to ask dickie another question here, dickie there had been, can cern before that gatherings over the reed and fit their holiday might accelerate the number of infections in indonesia and authorities had tried to ban people from returning to their home towns. my 1st question to you is, was enough done at that time. now there is concern that people may try to travel or

gather during the read the how holidays and i wanted to ask you how concerning is that at a time when cases are surging as much as they are, it will, berry berry give in, said he was in implication to the, our bundle today, because now we are approaching our peak, our cook, and in, in the same time, we are now facing this friday, which we know is very effective in class. there among the people, even in very even the people who already fully vaccinated. so it's mean both of them can be also infected. so then adorning the eat, if dawn do enough restriction of give these literacy to the community that the mobility, the really and i and in the nation shouldn't be mean much or limit. and we will

face and others should gaze of these, you know, not only in that but these, it will accelerate the number of people who we need the more money in hospital and also people dying because now you know, it's already where it, but i will because the most number one is already the explorer, was that to, to, to the finest because for almost 16 mind, you know, in silence to me because the low of the states thing and basing capacity. so then we thought, natalie, so we, we are now in variable not but situation. so if people now move and without enough control, then this most for number one will be easy to get the fact that especially in now we will see we already seen the julie now in roller aria, the number of cases is increasing. so when they move the call, they go back to their home on the,

on the problem will be spread more faster than then then one what, what you imagined before. so again, i do hope that government will limit it. what will ition especially not only because of the is this, you know, i know, but of was because the, the either in the side that the, our, how for silly these already also are well. so this is, this is very serious addition regarding the all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation. no, thank you so much to all of our guest, irma heat, ayana, degree booty, man and bon bon had more to and thank you for watching. you can see this and all of our previous programs. again, anytime by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward slash a j inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle is at a j inside story for me. mm hm. a jim jim in the whole team here. bye for now.

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