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ah, hello and welcome to the show. i'm sammy's a than for more than a week, south africa had been beset by its worst violence since the end of apartheid. while the situation is largely calm. now the nation is still trying to come to terms with what happened. the violence killed at least 276 people and caused widespread destruction. hundreds of businesses very diluted off at home fire. south africa, roads, facilities and supply lines were targeted and disrupted, for the damage is estimated to run into billions of dollars. that will run has deployed $25000.00. so just to keep order, the unrest was sparked by the jailing of former president jacob's humor, but expanded to include grievances about poverty and inequality. i'm opposed to has

blamed the unrest on zoom as supporters, but he's also acknowledged government failures. we oh, what happened here? but we're in the office. we mom, mom, all the friends it is the the john, our so what is the last thing i could say united

the job was realize that we should men really well bring in our gas shortly. but 1st, this update from bernard smith in durban. the writing and loosing has sparked by the jailing of former president jacobs to expose the chronic poverty and the quality that assists in south africa 27 years since the process. yes, there is an emerging the small black middle class, but the ruling and see that govern south africa since the end of apartheid has been slow to redistribute land and well, the current and leadership says the last 10 years have been wasted. judicial commission is kind of sitting and looking into allegations of stake, capture corruption and fraud during the presidency of jacob zuba,

half south africa. 35000000 adults thought still live below the poverty line. and youth unemployment is it around 50? demik hasn't helped. and the government has given grounds to people affected by the cum demick, but have not been able to be as generous as weston countries with the current senior leader, v a n c. matthew pose. it says, let us not again, blame a party or the global economy. this he says was an event of our making. we have blood on our local elections shed, ruled for october in south africa. if they're not delayed because of pandemic. those local elections will be for the test and fees, popularity, bernard smith, the inside story, took. ah, well, let's bring our guests into the show. now. they're all joining us from johannesburg

in south africa. linda way zulu is south africa, the minister of social development, william go may. they is the executive chairperson of democracy, works foundation and quandary. way con blow is professor of political economy in the department of politics and international relations at the university of johannesburg. welcome to war. if i could start with william, all the protest, the looting, is it all over now just taking a break, how do you see it, william? it does seem that, you know, although late, the army said police. and you know, it says your husband has been stabilized, but he does appear at a store some trans circulating cause to come soon watch subgroups at jacobs or my supporters. i intend to try another 10 at a popular kind of uprising. but for now, it seems stabilized. so police a stair, the visible, the army say that visible. and i think people see elizabeth maria and

a couple of days ago. all right, so stable for now, but zoom is fault is may give it another go. lindsey way has ram opposed to survive the challenge of some of those pro zoom elements who wanted to keep? i guess you could say circles of power above the rule of law and law and order president. i'm up was that he's in charge as the president of the country and also the president of the african me now chorus president, my post has gone, he's team of minister does he and different departments that are directly dealing with this situation. as william has just said it now that it is stabilizing, it study lising because for president, soon as i'm opposed and he's government the 1st and most important thing to do is to start the lives the country. so do you have any concerns? but as william said,

may be zoom or circles are going to try and give it another go and try and, and bring jacob zoom above the law. we are not worried about it all because you have seen for yourselves, i'm sure you want to wait for where you are. yes, we accept the destruction. it has really, really the beds. but the bottom line is that government is in charge. the president is in charge. those departments particularly defense intelligence and others in pudding mind by the way of social development. there has to deal with the aftermath of that from the point of view of those cities that are struggling. we back into ensuring that we study allies, the country in this study lives in the country is beyond just people not being out in the streets and looting. but you will also see that the police and the one out in fort worth, including that of looking for the tip,

is looking for the new test and collecting as much as they possibly can. what was already booted. i think that the security structures are really doing the best that they can, but this issue is the justice and it's also about other departments that have to deal with the aftermath of that. and as i rightfully say, my department social man, and are the oceans one simple right now, spring quantity way into the discussion as linda a was just saying that this is about more than simply the security situation. right? first of all, let me ask you one the way have the pro zoom elements been neutralized? are they still able to, to form and perhaps move again? the difficult too fast is to talk about pros do my element as if they exist out there as very cool yet. and force very difficult to really put

her hand and a finger on what you can call. this is cross element today and see this is my as a member of a and c, and definitely a former president of a n c. he does have a in the members who are still very supportive of him. and of course, there has been 10 sills and, and, and squabbles within the ruling party. but it's, it's not easy to just read just as a think to process element the us and i'm up was the element the and seems to be organization that are last of ideological positions and perspectives that you find within the a and c. and this perspective, sometimes i'm not necessarily for duma, and again from a pause or what i'm up was and again. so i'm trying to see what are some of the major motivating forces here than at play. i'm trying to avoid very reductive

approaches when you look at this because not everybody in the a n c is just pros, wilma and you know, my boss, the simplistic, okay. and has ring william in to broaden the town then? no doubt this is as another good thing about more than simply what happens to jacob zoom or his supporters. there is an element here of perhaps rebellion against the current social and economic order. right, william? absolutely. i mean, it's a combination of teams and, you know, there are less credit balance buyers, you know, brought to my supporters. you know, they found almost, you know, for higher grounds. and i think, you know, the 1st thing they want to say we've been under lockdown is that actually came to one of the wells. strict, strict has blocked downs. and you know, so there's the idea of a cabin fever once you're indeed kind of locked out. not only for after care,

but also elsewhere, people are anxious and as almost, you know, getting out of it and giving out a industries. the 2nd thing is also, you know, it started because economy has been really kind of status by coverage, 900 and then also by the locked out. so we've seen high levels of, i mean probably my business is close down and so on. and just a heads after lockdown. of course, you know, we've struggled or economy or struggled compared to our emerging mark appears. and of course, you know, the jacob zoom are destroyed a lot of value in a lot of good. i was in a lot of business in south africa, you know, so that's sort of low growth, precede it to conference periods. you know, we had a history the last couple of years after losing at a high level, at a state level where with impunity, where people haven't be prosecuted. so you also have to contact, you know,

people seeing that they're kind of looting at us, of the states without any prosecution. and, you know, and then you have to just suppose it to looting right in the streets. okay. that kind of transitions nice to the point which i was going to raise whether most of this even can be put down to cov, in cabin fever. because if we look at some of the figures for the economic situation since the end of apartheid, well, you'll find for example, the unemployment rate has remained around 30 percent since $994.00. but youth joblessness has increased to up to 74 percent by the late 19 fifties. more than 80 percent of south africa's land was owned by whites. now the world bank says the richest 20 percent of south africans control nearly 70 percent of all resources. a higher proportion of black south africans have historically lived in poverty, but the government data suggests the proportion of black and mixed race. people living in poverty increased between 20112015.

this begs the question, linda way does not, has the government has the and seen successive agency governments really failed to make sufficient progress in addressing the inequality from the apartheid era? well, if i am to pay it, which i don't normally deny doing in a situation of ourselves is the government of the african nissan congress. what they say people have to judge is for what we have said we're going to do. but if you have to make comparison, you can't run away from the fact that the impact of date, the impact on the economy and the impact on the demographics of our people and the impact of poverty. i'm employment in the and i'm thinking, my, my, my countrymen will just spoken yet because they telling you like, it was never going to be easy for the government within a 27 years to have reversed all that. however, we just,

some of the figures, at least in do i give me jumping and see to be getting worse. well, of course you might also consider the fact that we came out of date and we inhabited a band craft and government. we had a tech system that was just, it might be created to make it difficult for people to new. so we had to 1st and foremost integrate that. so when you, we had to start building institutions of government, which institutions were going to be required for our people. it's not to say that in the building of those institutions, there hasn't been mistakes. we accept that mistakes that have been made, particularly in strengthening the institutions because if you don't strengthen the institution of governance, what with them is talking about now in terms of they do change from people who are contract. we're not supposed to get the contract. yes, that is correct,

that is true. but what is good about it is the fact that we have infantry students that have been given that responsibility to do justice, bring people to book on the way the majority is one by and see by the answer party and elections of have been decreasing, right. does this late this balance of violence and process show? then seize grip on power is weakening further? yes, what is happening is that in the re now the politics of popular support the a n c really needs to roll out this lee. because as you can see, the graph really the tendency which, which imagines when you analyze election resolved, so that from 2009 right up to date, we see this slow, slow, steady decreased in percent, each popular support that the

a n c guests during elections and, and this could be as a result of a number of other reasons, people just deciding not to go and vote. and also maybe the growth of we had a youthful opposition party in south africa. it's attractive to the bottom of the youth, but it's not growing at a rate. we initially expected it to grow the challenges of governance that the a and c as a gardening party, faces, also contributing to all of his issues. it's not easy to be a ruling party in any country. and especially in a country which has a burden of his daughter, called baggage like we heard and sold off on to take that thought back to linda quickly for a quick thought and asked this question. the baggage,

the challenges which one do i mentioned, linda, why does that mean the i n c's heading towards greater division, especially if president around pose a might have to confront, shall we say, some forces? i don't want to get us back into the division between pro and t, jacob zuba elements, but if there are some elements which the president feels he will need to now confront, in order to show he is concerned with good governance and fighting corruption. does that mean more split motivation within the agency? well, no. we as far as african national congress is concerned, if you go back quickly to the conference itself, where president them up was, was, it was a quote for unity. but i also want to make it clear that any liberation movement that comes back into a country and takes over us. it has to go through the internal dynamics and the challenges of contestation within the african,

the stockholders. and so what is important for us is about leadership and how needed she takes that into consideration and make sure that between the n c in amc as the because there's a whole different organization and the n c in governments to be seen that between the 2 so that individual interests sometimes tend to move the agency to a direction that it cannot be or the principal needs to be dealt with. so. ringback we have our own internal dynamics and i think under the constance is we really try to do with them. but we're not thinking that those internal dynamics can do wish away those that must be wet on by studying that the members of the african this understand the reason why the members of the agency, what is expected of them as members of the agency to be tough on both sides of day. so be it. all right, so let me take that's

a good point. let me take it to william and say you had jumped on some of the words which linda. we used the need to be tough on some members of the a and c, increasing intensity of contest between some elements within the agency. what does that mean for south africa as a country? i mean, the and see has been the dominant ruling policy for so long. you know, i mean the, as it is now has been 2 parties essentially and 21. now, president obama port has been trying to hold a 2 parties together in his unity policy. now what has happened the last 2 weeks is your nose from now on was this is, are because we amc, it cannot hold a 2 groups together anymore. so i think, you know, even jacobs, my group or whatever you want to call them, it will be very difficult for them now to return back into the a you except the amc. and then 2nd of all that the links, i think we get to see a splits on it is now in the triple. i mean it has been post further and further if

it's supposed to happen perhaps before. because the thing about a symbol is what makes it effective and what maybe a successful the race improvement is that he was a broad coalition. you know, ranging from boxes to capitalist, traditionally. now when you get into government, you know, you have to have a set how we get him policies and you know, otherwise you should be in a perpetual paralysis. and which is what has happened with a and c. so to become an effect of fitful purpose, modern political party to govern over democracy, you have to become kennedy, the mock democratic. and you have to have one set of policies. you mean, you might have to kick out some of the people that are part of it and it hasn't happened before. now i was like, let me quickly, i know i want to get linda ways reaction to that very briefly. do you agree with that prognosis? going forward, there is going to be a split, perhaps some members break away from the n c. now this is the rubicon being crossed

there. is it going to be as late in the african is about chorus and i'm happy that william you here because he's the one that spoke about this, the fighting for the soul. ringback of the african national congress that began there's not 110 and 9 years old and the african national congress. we've been that period of time hasn't had challenges that right has made it to be strong. i think that you've been with us. but obviously those you like, they kind of agree with the principles with a founding document of the african this progress, maybe there was decided to go somewhere else. but this article missed on congress has survived those that i did that the 2 very different visions happen, speak to the unity of the answer going forward. and we, we thank both i guess for that let me try and bring in. now if i can wanda way and asked the question, you know, whatever the degree of intensity that emerges now,

whether it finalizes in a split within the a see or not has the violence demonstrated how well entrenched some of the elements . i don't want again to reduce this to pro zoom as i'm trying to find another way of putting this is some of the islands which are not entirely happy with and see policy policies, how well entrenched they are in the states. and any intensification of the contest shall we say to use into a terminology here is going to impact on the state's performance and unity itself. when i think 1st, the 1st point of view that i don't see, the splitting is the one of the inheritance is off of exile is loyalty to the pot and and with the group which is down to the pros, law group whenever they appear, they always emphasize the royalty to the african national congress. but with the

violence that we saw happening, you see what we saw happening is quite so multi faceted. there was bought it element, but there was also pure fargo and there was also opportunism. then do a does the whole approach to ending the apartheid era now need an overhaul? yes, absolutely. this is one of the lessons we have learned, and that's why i was saying we need to know what the situation so that a were to also pick up things when, when they developing by my final point is this, when in. so that because all the other issues you spoke about po, but t, hunger, unemployment, did you know, why do we need to focus on those issues so that even anyone who wants to mobilize communities, communities can be the ones that say, you're not going to mobilize us for this because we are fine, but when you we have

a spark and people who feel they have what very good to lose and they go out and do it, do what we saw. ok. we got in trouble. that's why we need to focus on and wonder, okay, we have promised i'll give 30 seconds to williams a very briefly do you agree with that prognosis? i think this this week has been the rupture. start off with your spokes, liberation, politics. opposed, independence, politics. and he's very likely that the i n c will be cline, you know, in terms of alter appeal. and the 2nd later we may see to beginning up on spreads, maybe a couple of space going forward, right? compared to the trajectory of us. and on that note, we're going to have to end here because we are running out of time. let's thank the guests minister linda way zulu william, good day. and quandary way con, below, and thank you to for watching. you can see the show again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion head over to our facebook page

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