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world heritage status. the decision came after concerns about development in the city, particularly along liverpool waterfront, being put on us goes world heritage list often leads to huge financial rewards through investments and tourism. but losing it could also have the opposite effect . the heritage list includes globally recognizable sites including egypt, pyramids and the great wall of china, unesco committee meeting and china. this year is considering 17 other cultural and natural fights to add to its list this year. need barker has reaction from liverpool after you next goes decision. it is the city that kept the british empire afloat. it's 1900 century edifice, is a testament to generations of global trade and commerce. a time when britain ruled the waves for 17 years liberals iconic waterfront stood alongside india's taj mahal and the great wall of china, the united nations world heritage list. but maternity brought changes that armed to

every one's liking. in a recent meeting in china, unesco said new developments had ruined the city's historic skyline destroying liverpool heritage value. the city is one of only 3 to be stripped of its heritage status. in the past. 50 years. the water from the 12 dog clowns of the did. they have been inscribed because they're reflect that conveys history. all major were trading city, paul, just from the 7980 century. so feeling the dog, for example, of building high buildings totally change the way it is best. see this history faster. 7 and a half $1000000000.00 water from projects been cited as a cause for concern. so to has the power to build everton football clubs, new riverside stadium,

viewed by some of the act of cultural vandalism. and this is a huge area of land that's been earmarked for development. liverpool city leaders say that it is in comprehensible why unesco would won't they semi derelict, don't shut off from the rest of the city to remain a wasteland for evermore. many liverpool feel the cities being forced to make a binary choice between preserving his heritage status and reviving and developing deprived, and derrick parts of the city. unesco. want this place to just stay as a post industrial ghost town? we con, allow that happen as a city, the area that they stock is with it and is incorrect award, which is one of the most deprived war. it's not only within liverpool, but in the entire country. the in all areas of course, much more to liverpool than it's unesco status to continue attracting tourist

10. i point to the economic value from having that status over the last 17 years. very little do i think we will lose investment or visitors because of losing the plaque. know, will we be a will her to site know what would be a world class? heritage city. yes. losing unesco status is undeniably a cultural blow for this historic city. liverpool will no longer be opposed to charge for preservation, it's but this is a living city that is undergoing massive changes to transform some of the most deprived parts of the country, creating tensions between liverpool of historic past and its potential future. bulk al, jazeera, liverpool. all right, let's have a look at some of the sites being considered for unesco. is world heritage list of the 17 up for consideration 9 are in europe including the italian city of bologna,

which wants its famous porticos recognized. 2 are from south america, including the chin, children, mummies, and chilly. they were buried 2000 years before egypt, mummies and chilly once that known. but some locations already on the list, risk being downgraded, environmentalists are supporting a bid to put australia as great barrier reef on the danger list because of climate change. while if you're p as 11th and 12th century rock hewn churches at valley, bella are in need of urgent restoration. ah, that's bringing our guess in liverpool, trevor skimped and is member of the mercy side, civic society, and also liverpool world heritage steering group. in doha, i'm going to i'm professor of history and anthropology at shawnee state university and also in liverpool. michael parkinson, honorary professor at the university of liverpool and ambassador of the heseltine

institute for public policy practice and place a warm welcome to you all. and thanks for joining us on inside story today. trevor, let me start with you today. were you surprised at all by this decision by unesco to remove manchester from its world heritage lists and also can liverpool appeal this decision or is it final? right. the 1st thing is then has been coming for a while, so we weren't surprised, but we were a bit shocked that had been no real listening to the points that little had made. i mean, i'm a member of the mercy, shy and civic society and i was an advisor of the safety at the time. that's it called world heritage status. when that document was produced in 2004 page,

it was based on the 17th 18th and 19th century history of the city. and it was closely argued around a lot of detail in the subsequent years. people have looked at the so called buffer 7, which is the entire city center and started worrying about the skyline. the skyline of the city noticed livable. skyline is a 20th century skyline. when it was the 1st european city to build american style skyscrapers alive, a building being the most famous and alive, a building we can totally sell his building in europe for 20 years. this isn't ancient history. this is the ongoing development of the city. the live a building was actually built in a form and talk and little post development as a living city has castle has been in very carefully recorded and note it's an

ongoing process. little butlins, i represent the mostly side to make society a very proud of the heritage. and i don't think any city has spend more money and time of looking us to charities for us. so it comes as a shock. but it wasn't a surprise. we knew we sort of saw it coming. michael, you wrote in a piece that liverpool had been treated unfairly in relation to other world heritage cities and its unique urban history of development has not been recognised . how in your opinion, has liverpool been treated unfairly compared to other heritage cities? well, the most obvious example is london, which is gone. will cause a status on the top bridge. and it's surrounded by some skyscrapers world. but because it's in london, unesco technically different line. they said 50 years ago and i've done nothing

about it. so that's wrong, very clear difference in the united kingdom. the 2nd thing is, you know, most of us goes sites are, are the monuments so natural science, they know very good in with cities and cities. ready and on the checks is not, is it develops and changes it has to, it grows and its heritage changes. and so you're not always have difficulty deciding what is right and what is wrong. it's tra travison in 2007 because it had to put a new bridge. so unesco is not very good on this. but the really key points on all this. some keeps getting messed. this is not a question. do you like this building or that building or the other building? it's mostly advises to ask, said liverpool had all ready damaged,

irretrievably out standing universal value off the site. that is simply not true. can years ago the city was gonna build. shall see. lots of ice blocks. no one has been built actually in the site, does a launch building. and if you saw the movie that you are calling me yesterday in the start, this has been data for 50 years. so you're not to say, we're worried that you much damage the site, but they can't say you already have. so as a matter of fact, wrong on the other issue, which is the evidence football stadium, they said if you feeling that you've lost some of us value, well, i can tell you your movie showed the peer head and the tree graces. they all

stand on in fil, doc. liverpool historically as always filled in docs that as well. have it in addition, ever who goes, i think based on stadium in a really unattractive part of the area, operating 10 percent of that 500 need on investment to invest in 2 major her for it risk to fall into some of the 3rd point. michael, i'm, i'm sorry. i'm sorry to interrupt you, let me, let me get back to the 3rd point you're making in just a moment because i want to, i want to throw a question on this way real quick. i'm a what we're talking a lot about the, you know, the processes that are involved in, in a site being selected as a world heritage site. what does that process like for obtaining unesco world heritage status? who initiates it? is it a very lengthy process and do politics play a role in it as well?

i would say, oh trees is probably the answer. it's likely for there are 10 criteria used to be and i think 4 or 6 before and 6 actually for cultural heritage side. and then he was increased unified to 10 criteria, whether it's a natural light or a cultural heritage site. and the often the city itself will try to promote itself will promote a fit aspect or area that he wants to including wants to have added. they will work with the committee to, to, to make sure that it meets the criteria. but you're looking at liverpool, she's raising, i mean, i very much with what you're, you're to guess are saying. and i just, i mean,

i know the visited liverpool and i'm a little full support to, you know, kind of what i think that it's because of every to them like and, but anyway, i should have one more reached out to the point to fish. it's in a way to unfortunate that what ended up being the center piece, why? who got that designation in 2004 was the very docs themselves. and i'm the waterfront. obviously it's not just water french but, and that car is really very much as your your guests are in need of. we generation are in the living, vibrant, changing volume, growing city. and it's a real challenge for cities like live, like president and elsewhere, to kind of hold that balance. and perhaps the biggest question should be,

should cities, you know, put themselves in that? are they better of maybe not having to carry that burden? at least not in terms of you know, an area like that, you know, like like the don't care is and say, okay, i'm going to build my image. and then find themselves years down the road that they are unable to keep that promise. i mean, it's a difficult issue. i told him trevor a few moments ago michael in his answer started to talk about the new everton stadium that's being planned. unesco is said that it was not consistently consulted on changes to construction plans within that area of manchester. and they went on to say that these developments, including that planned stadium, resulted in serious deterioration of the historic site. what's your reaction to that? well, there is, there is a small area of controversy,

a mattress that some of the water and brand new modem is removed. now, evans spending a lot of money to make sure that all the decisions on the building of the stadium a technically reversible. so if you wanted to put aside back to the present situation, that will be possible. they, they bits of the dock that's going to be under the stadium being preserved before the stadium is belt, so that they could be technically reconstructed in the future. the, the main thing is that ever sent me a very closely with historical sizes, including historic england painstaking process. they put probably 50 or 50000000 out of the 500000000 costs. the same is directly related, as michael said before to conservation matches,

as i can see of benefits for themselves in having conservation credibility. they're opening the site and the riverside to the public for the 1st time ever. isn't mash . it's a massive game. so the safety and fame bent over backwards, including lowering the higher the stadium so it's no higher than the nearby back to warehouse. so quite high. they've jumped through every hope you can imagine. but unfortunately, us and us go have turned the desk to this. the stadium hasn't even started work on site yet. it's too stupid to say, jump the gun. they haven't grey the lesson. and they looked at the mountain documents that evidently provided, evidently not short of money. they've been prepared to provide some money, not just for the new stake in the 53000 fans in the 1st phase,

but also for a massive conservation work which was done otherwise. it's all part of her. it's all part of the same story, develop your conserves, and in the city we just go on living. you have to combine the 2. there's no other way and you asked of the beginning whether the scope for appeal. there's no scope for level to appeal because unesco of facing in the completely wrong direction. they're not, not listen to us. they say last visit the safety in 2000. that night was they already decided then that wasn't the sort of world heritage site that they really wanted. so i never post days where none but the beginning. but if you could, if you come to liverpool now, and you compare it with liverpool in 2004, the whole loop heritage side which include 6 areas which the docs north dock $71.00

improvement is in comparable, including so the most rigorous of conservation would love building tax in georgia, so like the out the dock traveler cannot build trip. i'm family dog. i'm so i'm showing resist. jevar. i'm sorry to interrupt you. we are just starting to run out of time. i will get back to you. i don't know the point you were making, michael, let me go to you. trevor was talking about, you know, essentially how this is a, a very delicate balance when you're talking about a living city, wherein lies a world heritage site. let me ask you from your vantage point, how do you go about achieving this delicate balance of preserving the past, but also planning for the future. i mean, how should cities be able to celebrate and preserve their histories while also being able to rebuild? so they can prosper, going forward. ok, so we're going to speak quickly. i don't want to waste your time. heritage is not

about buildings. it's also about cultural values. and so you build upon that, that's part of our heritage. we weren't designated to the buildings. it was because we were the center of the british empire and the city mentioned on the century. so it's a found values as much as been fixed, but said in terms of buildings come to little, there is a mustn't doc warehouse was renovated 20 years ago. actually brilliant, huge subtraction. got a museum, a gallery in it, there at the top of the suddenly dog in the north stock side, a huge investment of a wonderful child and a poem block. what you do is quality unesco is got to worry about it quality and what city need to do it carries with it as a consult, 50000 people, 95 percent. yes. want consumption people to to values be all thing,

tickets to quality work and whether it's new or small. i then becomes a matter of tasting preference and i like a mix unesco, frankly to which you don't miss and care about your colleagues. i absolutely agree, frankly, we didn't want to lose his status, but now we are relieved. it has become a huge burden dealing with, you know, the transaction costs are too high. and frankly, the city cannot go on year off the being the public headlines because it fails to meet some unreasonable standards. they said 3 years ago. you must build nothing in the city until we approve your plans that sustain. also leave. erica, that's my point. them all right, i'm going to, you heard michael there talk about the cost of all of this when it comes to having a world heritage site, maintaining it. let me ask you how, how costly is it?

who is ultimately responsible for it? does unesco play a role in this, or is it more the country where the, where the site is, or is it a combination of both? ultimately it's the country. i mean it's the state that age because remember, yes, it is a club member space. so each stage is responsible for 5. now you next go, might have funded made or expertise or resources that can sometimes push to what some of the sites and some of the members say to help and maintain. but by and large it's the responsibility of the members state itself to ensure that it sites are kept in good order preserved in the appropriate manner. and to the standards require, especially if they are under the unesco heritage sort of designation. and that's how it's always been the in terms of the cost. yes. obviously it can be,

especially again the government support, you know, areas, urban centers and bigger events and major event and just like live, like, like manchester and anywhere else in the world in rome, italy, rome, parents, these are very complex and difficult places to maintain a new car, a huge resources. so it's a 3rd question to ask as well and say, you know, if it's a cost benefit analysis at the end of the day and to look at which parts you want to preserve in which part you might think it's not necessarily. you know, it's more important to develop something like the docs. well, you know, it's up to the people of liverpool perhaps and make that decision not to buy the pyramids. we're not talking about palmyra and the template bell. we're not talking about much peach. we're talking about 920 century,

lagging 18 and 20 century docs. right. i, i don't know it for me it's, it's, it's a pity that limit login to lose that. but i can also see the point that your guess we're making as well. right. trevor, are you concerned that liverpool is going to be losing investment or visitors because of losing the world? heritage status. now i don't think that will happen. i think it already been said. liverpool is regenerating itself it's. it was in a very dark place 2030 years ago. the city was a shrinking safety. it was regarded as a basket case, but it has come back with a vengeance. and in the middle of that, renee, something level is conservation of a history. that's why this is such a ridiculous thing to have,

but it's not important in terms of the label of world heritage site. it's regrettable. it's gone, but it's not going to make much difference. can i just make one more point relation to what michael said about? then london made an important decision when it, when the tower of london and the palace of west declared heritage sides, london refused to accept buffer zones around them. liverpool problems have come because they're very wide buffer zone. that's where all these so all it's all buildings. nobody's ever proposed a total building within the world territory site itself. so if we go back to the original document, we'll remove the word unesco from it completely. but we'll proceed on the basis of looking up to the heritage and the best way we possibly can. a new developments

will provide some of the finance and the way to do that. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation here. thank you so much. all of our guest trevor skimped and i'm a 1000 and michael parkinson and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website of 0 dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle is at a inside story from him, how much i'm drilling the whole team here, bye for now. the the focus on the united states is ending in 20 year military present in afghanistan. but what it meant for the country, one of the one piece showcase the new zealand trailblazing environmental policy, able to read the country of all present. bringing awareness to conservation. if it

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