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the journey was very dangerous and difficult. i was thinking at one point i might die, but god helped me from iran to turkey. we paid $1000.00 each. the new moon. i want peace and prosperity for my country. we're tired of wars media. so ma'am, it should go, but that's all i've seen since i was a child and i don't expect peace enough. ganna stone anytime soon. so i want to move to say for a place where we can live in peace, that it will be better for us. i don't, you know is, is there with me the whole rob, reminder of all told stories. at least 3 rockets struck kandahar fought and sort of gone on flights in and out of the city of suspended. there's been intense fighting between the taliban and government forces. we have gone, apples has been blamed for bobbing a private hospital, killing at least one person. the hospital owner says it was wrongly targeted
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because of rumors that taliban fighters were being treated the way in the west of the country. the taliban is advancing. fenced in, harass which has a border with iran, the route to control of the road to the airport and flights into the city will halted on wednesday. charlotte bellis has more from the company. compet fighting is ongoing it and it is incredibly, tant, we so videos today of fires burning in the city residents. they telling us that fighting was going door to door and that special forces the most to leaks and special forces had flown in last night by a helicopter. there were, if strikes around the city, us were supporting us can military with strikes, so lashed under heavy, heavy pressure from the telephone. and it's not the only place 11 is me and miles, military leader has promised multi party election 6 months after seizing power in a qu, when online says the vote will take place by late 2023. when he also plans to let
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the state of emergency controversial changes to hong kong immigration law have come into effect. critic say it'll give the government sweeping pals to stop people from coming in or out. thousands have been leaving before it came into false follows luster. as imposition of a wide ranging national security law, his ill, a prime minister, has made a formal apology for reign on people who overstate the visas many 50 years ago. the often violent rates were racially motivated because police mostly targeted pacific islanders with the port taishan while turning, ignoring people from other countries. 6 people have had their accreditations revoked. the take ellen picks the organizing committee chief says they violated rules imposed to cut the current virus pandemic. it comes just the head of the much anticipated 100 meter mens finals coach. can follow all of those stories on our website that al jazeera dot com is updated. throughout the day, i'll be back with more needs and just in half an hour,
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but next it's inside story to stay with us. something was going to change. anything really changed? this is systemic violin that needs to be addressed at its core. we are in a race against the barriers. know what to say. we are all say we're looking at the world as it is right now, not the world. we like it to be, the devil is always going to be in the details. the bottom line when i was just there on countries around the world are dealing with devastating wildfires. long periods of driving, excessive heat or contributing. but mortified our rule as human and this climate change now a bigger worry than it's ever been. this is inside story. ah
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hello and welcome to the program. i'm how am i here in the last few months have seen a number of devastating weather events made worse by climate change. countries around the world are seeing unprecedented changes last month, a small village in western canada set that countries cleanest records, and marking nearly 50 degrees celsius, signed to se average temperatures are on the rise. wildfires seem to appear more often and more destructive and europe proceed. its worst floods in a generation. so what's behind all this? we'll put that to our guests in just a moment. first though, let's have a quick look at the global picture. in turkey areas, hosting popular resort sent to his destination have been declared disaster zones. at least a dozen fires burning across its mediterranean coast. emergency crews are struggling to cope because they helped move hundreds of people to safety. similar scenes in
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italy, southern islands, over sicily where people have been forced, just leave their homes fires. they're spreading rapidly destroying houses and forcing hundreds of tourists to flee the city of kasanya in russia. one of the coldest places on earth, far as of burns, nearly a 1000000 hector's forest. scientists are warning the situation in siberia is only going to get worse since the regions. average temperatures continue to rise in the western us state of oregon, thunderstorms, sparking dozens of fires there. while the large one, the one is the bootleg far continues to burn, creating it so weather system and sending huge plumes of smoke thousands of kilometers all the way to new york city in the east. the well, let's bring in our guests. joining us from seattle is crystal raymonds,
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a climate adaptation specialist at the university of washington in sydney, mark deason dorf and honory associate professor of environmental sciences at the university of new south wales. and in so paulo christiane metric d. a senior for his campaign or a greenpeace brazil one. welcome to all 3 of you know, crystal ravens. you're a fire ecologist given the, the number of wild, far as receiving world wide. and i've just outlines some of them looking at the global picture. would you say this is normal? well, i think, you know, we're definitely seeing that warmer temperatures dryer summers associated with climate change are speeding up the wildfires that we have globally. and we're seeing a larger area burned by wildfires and more frequent large fires in many places
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around the world. and, but we also know crystal raymonds that wildfires can be a very natural and normal events. how does that fit in for the i think that we're seeing because it's difficult for here while towards a common i'm seeing the scale of the wildfires and places that we wouldn't normally expect to see them. i mean, how would you marry that? yeah, i think that's a very good question. we do have to remember that many systems naturally have wildfire. there's many vegetation types and forest types around the world that are actually adapted to wildfire, the plants, the vegetation there, and in many cases needs wildfire to grow. so we know that's the case and that wildfire can be a natural part of the system. but there are several things that have happened that have caused it to play more of an unnatural role than it might otherwise play. and in addition to climate change, we also know that the way that we have managed for
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a certain vegetate action has contributed to getting larger and more severe fires. and one of the main things that's happened is that we've tried to completely remove fire from the system that actually needs fire. and in that case, when you do that, the vegetation builds up there becomes a lot more trees, a lot more vegetation there than there might otherwise be. and then when a small fire start, it can get very big, very quickly because there's so much more fuel to burn in that wildfire. and we see that throughout different buyers and in the west. that said that, that's an interesting point. and i want to come back to lans managements in a moment, but mark dees and or if you're joining us from a stream area where we saw those heartbreakingly awful wild, far as last year, millions of animals died. i remember seeing the map showing the equivalent areas around the u. k. how much of the land would be covered if those well cars were
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taking place elsewhere with those far as appeared to be unprecedented. but we also know that wild fars are reasonably coleman, and often useful to manage the lands. what would you say is behind fires of that size and scale, particularly in australia? i mean, is it down to climate change or are there other factors that play in that, in that example, time changes increasing the severity and the frequency of these fires. we now have a new classification of fire intensity, which is catastrophic, which we have never had before. the terrible fires in eastern australia that you mention covered a much, much greater area than size in the past of calvin. and for the 1st time ever
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they've been rain forest and that is totally new for australia. so i would say yes, there are unprecedented climate change to to global warming is playing a substantial role. and we really need to act fast. we're running out of time. it's interesting when you say catastrophic is a new classification. certainly in the news, we talk about the states and wild, far as you never really hear headlines talking about really good wildfires. but in terms of this new classification of catastrophic how, how does that manifesting? if you have not just a strictly but round the world, this new classification. why has it needed to be brought say there are, are there other areas in the world where this is had to be applied? is that something that we are seeing in recent years? well, it's in a straight interested condition. i can answer for the rest of the world,
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but we now know from the firefighters who faced up to the terrible fires of that summer that day considered that these 5 or unstoppable, and really a large part of sydney would have been wiped out if the wind hadn't changed in the last minute after one of the most huge files that came down from the blue mountains . i just stopped in time to avoid essentially will happening out no, wasn't sidney. so we're facing a new situation and climate change is one of the vi full drivers of, of, of, of this new severity and intensity and frequency of these fires. ok. christiane mazetti, you're joining us from brazil, obviously where the challenges environmental challenges renting the amazon rain forest in particular have been well documented. the fires that are burning in
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your part of the world's, i mean in climate change, a factor in any way or is this entirely man made the destruction that's ongoing where you are. i would say that in the amazon, which is our fire safety system, which means that the fire is negative or the by on the fire is already started by humans, most are 99 percent of the time. they use it basically for renewing agriculture land. you're in the deforestation process, and some time that flyer goes and spreads to the forest and becomes a wide fire. and of course, climate change happen. it helps to go to their current self suppliers. but indeed, by the time that we deforest and burn far is to open way forecast rating agriculture
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lane. we reduce the resilience of the florists to climate change as well. but if it's not just it for climate change, seems like a big banner, a big sticker. we can put on something to say, this is the reason why this is bad. this is good at the climate change. it can have other impacts as well. can it? not christiane, that's at the, in terms of when it's, it's too hot and it forces people to move elsewhere to try and, and grow products or the climate change can cause a lack of a possible water. for example, for some people to turn to other means, do you see other side effects of climate change impacts and the way people are having to live their lives in latin america? for example. i would say that looking at the amazon, the combination of climate change and deforestation, and fires evening. deed make the weather dryer. and we already had these that are
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published showing that use of corn crop. so i crop or reduced due to changing weather patterns in the local k you due to the for station and climate change. so in the production, you will be reduced and i already being reduced to do to those changes in the local landscape. ok, and let me can see, you know, crystal room and because the, again it's, it's not just the fact that the areas are getting warmer that's causing these fires to break you had mentioned earlier, fires can be certainly can help regenerate certain areas. but because of the way this land has been managed, this is having on the 10th its consequences in the united states, in particular, in the, the northwest. for example, we are seeing certain challenges when it comes to learn management for president
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donald trump had been quite critical of the way the line to be managed. and he took some slack for that for suggesting that this brush wasn't cleared away. but there are other things as well which contributes into these fire, specifically what we're building coarser for us and building and places we shouldn't be. do you think there's an appreciation that of the way that we're impacting and living in certain areas that that arguably human shouldn't be? that's helping contribute to the devastating nature of some of these fires. yeah, that's right. i think the way that people are building where we're living is contributing to it. in the western united states, we call it the wild land urban interface and that's where i'm homes and development start to move out further into the forest in the wilderness. and we see that, you know, people are starting to build their homes there and it can, even though fire may occur there regularly, it hasn't for a very long time. and so people aren't familiar with their environment. they're not
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aware that they're moving into a potentially fire prone area. and the way that people are building in those areas is not as careful as it could be to recognize that they do live in a place that is fire prone. so we know that people need homes, people need to live in these places, but there is a way that that development and that building can be done that can reduce the risk associated with wildfires to these communities. is there an effort on a governmental level to try and, and change the mindset of building homes in certain areas. and so, and because there are view pressures when it comes to housing stalk, certainly in the u. k, where i'm from the big, big pressures and highs in stock. and there's incenses for local authorities to go out and build on greenland or build on flood plains. is that under the same census in the united states? and is there more of a realization that perhaps we need to think about the way we're housing people,
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if we want to maintain the environments, right, i think there's not a consistent. so government response to this, i think it's happening locally. it's happening in places here and there, there's a lot of education about it, but i don't think that there is a consistent messaging or education around it as much as there could be to enable this housing to be built in such a way that would be less at risk, or get mark decent or strictly as well known for having white plains of land, vast expanses of lands and so on. but are there similar tensions at this human rollins or phase where humans choose to, to build their homes if they're having any kind of impact negative environmental impacts? is this something that is, is coming into policy decisions in any way? well, it should become in to policy decisions because some people feel that some of the
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towns and villages in the forested areas should not really exist and that people should move. and really people have responded in different ways to the fires. some people are trying to rebuild in the same places, other people are leaving these areas. and they're also financial incentives for local governments to in carried as much housing development as possible in the areas. because they get paid rates of income from housing in those areas. and it's the same with flood plains that you alluded to that people are building in flood plains where they, they shouldn't really be building. and it could be mentioned really that in australia, after the terrible fires we then had floods and floods are also partly driven by climate change. because as the atmosphere becomes warmer,
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it holds more water. and then when it does rain the rain much more heavily than previously and so we can get floods coming along also as partly caused by global climate change. and this is certainly something we're seeing in europe with the staggering loss of lights in places like belgium. and that's all in germany that we haven't seen before. do you think this is the new normal market season, or do you think this is the, the scenes that we're seeing of flooding in urban areas as well as far as covering huge expenses of land? is this thing you normal or is there a way of turning the clock back it's, it's going to get worse before it gets better. and yes, there are solutions, up, 3 quarters of the world's greenhouse gas emissions come from burning fossil fuels. and we now have most of the technologies we need to move away from fossil fuels,
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to renewable energy and efficient energy use. windham solar, really much cheaper than possible fields and nuclear power in the vast majority of the world. and they're still getting cheaper. so we know that these technology together with some additional storage and some additional transmission lines can substitute fossil fuels. so the 1st thing is to transition all electricity to renewables and then to transit and at the same time to move transport from oil driven cars and trucks. to electric, cars and truck, what we will find samples, but if it were that sample, just switch everything to renewables. what, why is it not happening? well, it is happening with electricity generation very quickly in many parts of the world now. and for example, in one of our states, south, strayer,
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60 percent of annual electricity generation comes from wind and sun already. and similarly in denmark, the vast majority of electricity generation comes from the wind, with some agricultural wastes used to produce bio energy. and scotland also has the vast majority of its electricity generation already coming from renew. ok. mostly when that's just the question of rolling this out, since it's a larger countries thinking, obviously china the united states and so on and so forth. and let me turn to, you know, christian majority in brazil there are very real tensions when it comes to environmental management and the need to protect the environment and the need to pull people out of poverty. the current president jr. bull scenario. he is criticized by large chunks of the population, but he does still have
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a significant support base. and the people who are supporting him, the people who are in favor of looking in the amazon and clearing land for agriculture are in favor, not because they hate the planet because they want to work and earn money. so given this tension between environmental protection and lifting people out of poverty and putting further on the table, i mean i how do you square that circle? where does the solution there lie? ok firstly i would like to point out that there is no is not conservation. we don't need to destroy the environment to promote the band with the region. if you look at the amazon, we have for now like 304050 years of the same developing model being limited there, which is cutting off the florists and bulging. class relates our culture lane and the region has a lot of over a cheese is one of the most poor regions in brazil you now. so what we need is
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a different concept of develop may or region developments that actually include local people and brings development them, brings economic opportunity to them that are many opportunities off economic development. we think they standing forest using seeds, oreos and other things that can be taking from the forest. what we need is each co wheel for hastening those alternatives. so was, why is there no political will there because the to the both that are a support system, both not himself would say, you know, we want to lift people out of poverty if the solutions of already there. why are these people not turning to them? this dissolution, this is sitting there in front of us, the solutions they need, that they are not yet. they do not yet have public policy to actually
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make them is spread around the very sorry, so the person that they're on the ground find their way, much easier if they go to we legal deforestation, legal mining. and so one rather than if they go to a bank and try to get a loan to start a new business. so we still need a lot of public policies and in seen in that their ration. and that's why i said that there is no way to that aim ok. crystal ramon's, do you think our politicians have a handle on how to tackle these problems? because sciences such as yourself are coming forward with solutions. we've heard from mark these and all of that. yes, there are solutions as we move forwards. but as christiane was saying, i mean, there needs to be a political will. do you think that there is political will to, to bring in the measures needs to tackle these wildfires, for example,
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global warming because if there are, there are big costs involved, are there notes and people may not be prepared to pay those costs when you, when you put it down on the breakfast table in front of them. i think that there is some political will around wildfires. we're seeing some increase in funding, but i think there's also still people debating more about the causes, debating whether this is climate change or forest management rather than recognizing its multiple factors and that different factors are playing a role in different places around the us. and so the solutions need to be responsive to those different factors that are contributing to wildfire. and so i think that the politicians are still not recognizing the complexity of the issue and debating about whether climate change is contributing to debating about whether forest management contributes to it. rather than looking at how much each of those factors matter in different places. because that can really be
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a way to get it the right solutions and the right places. so i think that that's starting to change. unfortunately, it's taking multiple years of above average wildfires in order to really motivate that change. okay, we're down to the last minute and a half years. so i'm going to ask the same question to all 3 of you. given what we've heard, given the complexity of the situation or damaging it is, are you optimistic for the future? and i will start with you, mark decent or for you optimistic of the future given where we are an optimistic that we'll implement the technologies we need to transform the energy system for example. but i'm pessimistic that it will, it too late to stop, even greater climate change and, and, and the reason it's carrying so lay just because the existing industries, the fossil fuel industries, the forestry industry and other industries that have
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a vested interest in continuing with business as usual, fighting to and resisting the change. ok, i guess in one sentence please. kristi, i'm are you optimistic for the future? right now. i am a little bit better because well, our government's weakening the environmental protection, the maximum, the can also the national congress, but i'm optimistic because many people here i've tried to face the agenda. are thinking about a more positive agenda. so ok, yes, both. okay, and the final word to you crystal raymond's, are you up to mystic or pessimistic, given the state of the world? does it stand? yeah. you know, in my 20 year career, working on climate change, i've always been optimistic, extreme events we've seen in the last year to have definitely started the challenge that but i have very young children. so i feel like i have no choice but to be optimistic because i want to make sure that this world is isn't
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a good place for them when they're older. cable will finish. oh, not optimistic and lifting the. thank you very much. crystal ravens like these endorse and christie, and i think the, i'm thank you. see, for watching at home, you can see this program again, any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion just had so facebook page, facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter or handle is a inside story. but tonight, for me, i'm the whole thing. it's by fanatic. ah, he added to the fashion, the success and the popularity. and then he gave it all up for the love of his homeland football rebels. delves into the realm of footballing legend.
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