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stop on groups president for our combs to idea and post it in january. when rebels, angry at his re election, attacked towns and villages the measure issue to expire this month. but the united nations says the fighting has intensified, doesn't have been killed and attacks on villages in the past 6 months. the army has the support of $12000.00 un peacekeepers, rolanda, and special forces and russian paramilitaries. they've managed to recapture territory from the rebels, but the fighting is force 120-0000 refugees to escape mostly to democratic republic of congo. on thursday, the un security council extended an arms embargo for another here. so you player 6 go, let us be clear, she. this is an embargo which aims to prevents armed groups from acquiring and also using it against civilians are central african armed forces or un peacekeepers,

or at the same time, the possibilities of exemptions are extended so that the authorities of the central african republic can continue to train and equip the army. i stress that the embargo does not, of course, prevents the central african republic, acquiring the means to defend itself. the more you will, central african republic has been myers and violence during the past decades. the removal of precedent for it was easy and 2013 led to years of fighting between christian and muslim armed groups that were hopes for peace when forestall icons to day won the election in 2016. but he has struggled to contain the fighting the government and 14 rebel groups signs in agreements in 2019, but it didn't make much difference. force in officials to declare a state over emergency in january will be un warned, the security situation is deteriorating and says nearly 2000000 people may die

without assistance. the well as spring in our guests, mussa abdulla joins us on the line from go to a bully and camera really not on the border with central african public case. a journalist and political analysts. there in the canadian township for all the archipelago, ontario, louis much central africa director of human rights watch. and joining us in brussels is peter cooper, a fellow at the institute for justice and reconciliation. a warm welcome to all of you, but i will start with mussa abdulla if i can, you work in the central african republic. you live that just give us a sense of what it's like right now. you have this state of emergency just due to be lifted, but the situation doesn't seem to be improving for people in the country. what does

this all mean? ho. busy thank you very much for having the call come. i think i'm supposed to end date, but from the government so far, i didn't know yet. i tried to find them or not. i think in terms of security to have an impact on having more come code called the government to control the movement of data because they used to move the nighttime during the day. so it has the government to persecution, different houses and make some many people are calling because you have so many many, many,

many people in the country you by me or less than we have this report by different buddy like. ready ready you and you and see and different organizations that there there is so many violation. busy of human rights and you feel you can get better, but i quite imagined do you think the state of emergency has helped at all or is it just another stop got measure that's merely prolonging the difficulties that the central african republic is going through. it has helped, like i said, it's somehow when the government to, you know, and if the movement of data in the nighttime, in different location, especially in the capital city. because in different city that i travel actually

see. and then it's not even active. it doesn't work like people don't even care about the bill today, activity in the nighttime, but in the really help the government to control the movement of the capital. but i don't believe that he's had help in any way or the. ready location concurrently, it has a terrible negative impact the population. so many people are crying about what, what's going on. so many people are because, you know, i stayed imbedded, majestic for many be paid on so many people. and we don't know what to do to go and will get kids to get out of any justification happened a lot. so people are happening. reading the population. ok,

let me turn to you louis much from human rights watch. we're hearing distress and testimony from from mussa, the lawyer who is travelling around c r. and he's saying that the state of emergency is allowing some control to come back to the government in some small measure. but it's also having honorable impacts on large chunks of the population. what you recess minutes of the state of emergency. i mean, is it sustainable? i think, i think we would broadly agree with with most the fact is, is that any, any improvements under the state of merge seeing the last 6 months have been in your word stop gaps. what we're much more concerned with is what most alluding to is the right and right to pieces attached to the state of emergency. most notably, that is the door to door searches in bungie. and what we are documenting as

a very worrying trend towards targeting ethnic buyer, north of the capital of bungie and the cooperation of russian paramilitaries in these operations. what's worrying for us at human rights watch is that these type of operations concert was a pretext to further fuel recruitment for rebel groups all across the country. when, when they know that the government is going to be engaging these types of human rights abuses, it really does just serve as a recruiting tool. and it's, it's terribly worrying for us. and frankly it's, we'll step back. these alleged human rights abuses which have been documented by the un, a real step back to the government. and they should really change course and focus on a, a security program in a security strategy that does put human respect for basic human rights up front. why do you think this is, this isn't the case, then why do you think that governments lewis much as taking this approach

they, for frankly, in december, i think all of us were shocked at how much territory the, the latest iteration of a rebellion coalition called the c, p c. we were shocked at how much territory they took and how quickly they took it. and the government. and this was happening under the auspices of a very large human, very large un peacekeeping operation. and in under the auspices of international support from both rwandans and the russians. so they felt drastic measures needed to be taken. those drastic measures had to cut the movement of the c p. c, to some degree that worked on, but they will also trying to do with they're also trying to find c p. c. fighters who had notably infiltrated bonds to capital. and they were going to arrest those fighters under the state of emergency. the military was unable to make arrests

without having to go from a prosecutor without having going from the judge. due process was kind of thrown out the window for emergency measures. and what we're documenting. and this has been substantiated by the un, which is already published on this is that many of these individuals are actually taken off in executed. and that is only going to further drive recruitment of people who feel disenfranchised people who are associated with farmers like a groups. but also i think, bio who are from busy days ethnic group who feel targeted. who feel like they've been lumped in with the c p. c. okay. peter can oh, is this an assessment that you would agree with that the state of emergency that's being brought said and it could be helping to fuel recruitment drives for the the rebel groups that the government is trying to get a handle on. yes. human rights violation is you know, often have that impact and security zation has the effect so,

so you know why assessment is that that could have that the thing. but i think it's important to also look at the bigger picture. what happened the bunky form 2015 and then the b agreement of 2019 stipulated that there would be elections and the elections. elections generally invites tensions because people take a hope high profile. people want to you know, compare one another. so they need to take a whole higher profile to, to, to guarantee visibility. that's exactly what happened. and then boise, they came back to the country and managed to get some of these groups. we got them out of the piece of maintenance and, and managed to raise rebellion on the, his leadership to oppose the, the situation that was part of the agreement. so

456 of the groups that stood out of the of the agreement distance themselves and started to fight a, a government that was in place. this will happen, this is what it has happened in december that led to the state of emergency. and then the russians, and the london came to the help of the government and started to fight the rebuilding, dest. you know, this, the big picture now the, the, the, the russian, the, the strategy of the russians is to get the rebels out of the city. cities in it says rock bottom, so they chasing the rebels from the cities outside into, into the rural areas, into the villages. and the villages are suffering. the villages suffer the impact of the rebels coming into the villages and,

and taking whatever they want that they want to take. so the, so the situation is, is improving in some of the cities. but it's the theory, right? thing in the rural areas with a huge human daring impact that's. that's what is happening today. and it's, it is a, it's, it's part of the election dynamics did to the piece of equipment. ok, well, you mentioned the, the russians. that one's, and we do understand there are foreign actors who are in the country and who are taking part in this, in this conflicts. but let's get them to the, the brass tax really for people who are not as familiar with the central african republic. as you 3 gentlemen, are you mention their pizza cooper? that's rebel groups were being siphoned away from this peace agreements in order to to be sent to riley rhodes the the former leads are both these

a why would they do that? why would they do that? why are they that rally beside these and not going with the the liter who the country had elected initially? because the new very well that nobody was going to vote for them. they were, they were part of a peace agreement that was in that, that was as old as, as that was a year old. but in the elections they wouldn't spend a chance. they said they would never go back to the political spectrum after the elections so, so it was either losing the elections or losing their position to the or posing the government that was in place. and both managed to mobilize the fees of not coming back to the political spectrum in some of these, some of the, of the rebel actually for this, you know, this is a video that is, is very unstable in its initial phases, as always for the mpg agreement. so these are the sport and bodies managed to,

to mobilize to support us so we will have them. so if you take a simplistic view, if this and say, well, how do you fix this problem? is the fixing the problem, getting rid of the trouble? so max are here, which we're implying with people's easy or does it go cheaper than that? i can see you louis much is shaking your head slightly. i understand it's more complex than that, but just to boil it yours is noticed. familiar with this dynamic? what would you say to that? sure. i mean, i think, i think it just goes as a, as a spoiler absolutely agree to boil it down to, to it, to a simple dynamic. it would be this to date 8 years in 2 really horrific violence in a country that is not for into violence. the number one driver, in our opinion of this violence is impunity. no one to date has actually been held accountable. none of the big fish had been held accountable for the war crimes and

the crimes against humanity that they've committed. whether that be false, i was a who, who absolutely has committee is president. and now he's gone on to play the spoiler role. i'm completely breaking up the cartoon piece agreement, whether that be the myriad of other rebel leaders across the country. we do have 3 individuals currently in the hague, in front of the icpc. and there's a special hybrid court called the special criminal court, which has gotten up and running with international national judges and prosecutors . but i reiterate to date, central africans are exhausted. there's this humanitarian aspect that, that peter alluded to, which is absolutely in our opinion, you know, should be put it before. but people are exhausted in seeing these warlords continue to just get away with murder and no one is held accountable and they want justice. they've asked for justice that the central african people do want there to be re of accountability. ok, move up delay a. is that something that the tally says what you're hearing when you're reporting

in the country, people are exhausted and where to they see this, the solution to this, the end game to this? does it come back to this piece agreements or do they want to see some actual accountability for the the crimes that are being waged against them? yes. so i think that the situation is truly complex and most of the population of central africa today are very, very computer. he was what can be the solution because he'd have like trying to many agreement between pick up manually how many different piece a quote i had between the government work didn't work. what could make it today work in one hand and the other hand, people are thinking, how can we fight it up to 14 different why and our i mean is under,

i'm going to go and you and please keep her out of bed for about 7 or 8 years now and then it had never came to anything. so people have a computer actually, but we believe that there is no any solution dialogue because you don't have to watch on the media petty who do not enable so far to the hotel. what they like or what mine and they are the get to get up and cook over there in india and not even yesterday they have a truck come when they get across the board, call them inside like a kind of public and they can use all the kids, if you can call me that up to date now and hope to

hear the conclusion. aids incredibly confusing. and i think to the confusion are of course these external parties were coming in. we understand the russian contractors, the russian government says they are contract. you're in to provide training. rwanda has sense in the armed forces. also francis a relationship in the area. chives, as sending troops. do you think these external forces are helping or hindering the situation on the grounds? so i'm actually hoping at some point that i like, i like lucy, just kick him out better, but it's out of the city. but we see in what i'm, what i'm, what i'm saying now is that when we don't like when they kick out there,

but out of 150, the next day they leave and out with one without a gun like a 10 packet. really tell you nothing. now let me call fucker bailey, just like a 10 individual and you know, secured in that city. but the next day they will come out and take the people when they left, for example. and they wonder they can, they can take control of one city and the next day they're up and coming back from there. not to go today. we can never, you know, depend for example, on the one done or watson because how long they are going to stay there 10 years, 20 or 50 years. i don't know. why do you need is that we need to have a peace agreement. and then we have nothing wrong and then we can then keep the security then you guys left like the watson or didn't. ready want

to date and they can take control on the territory and if they leave tomato who are going to get the security. ok. yeah. my yes, it's a, it's a very complex situation. it seems like almost a game wakeham or when you manage to solve one issue, it pops up somewhere else. pizza can open. so you know, thing and agreements with what delight was was saying to is moving forward. what are the strategies then to deal with this particular site and giving the pop up somewhere else? you could do this for infinity. i was, i was in buggy yesterday. i came back from bug yesterday just roughly 2 opinions in bunky and they're, they're, they're mutually exclusive. some people claim that renegotiating the piece agreement, the piece agreement, the $2900.00 piece agreement is the way forward. so bring these people back to the negotiation to discuss exactly what most i would say. but there isn't other portion

of, of the political cause there that there's no that they've, they've lost their position that they've lost their, their right to, to the table to the political dynamics. so, so we're going to change in the guild them and find them and, and hunt them out just h. so there's 2, there's 2 different positions, dialogue or not dialogue. and, and, you know, my personal opinion is that i think the only way out, just as much as this is, is go back to the mechanization table and try to re negotiate the pieces and then and revise stuff. and then all the elements, this is our d d r demobilization disarmament. and exactly what both my colleague from canada says. this is a need for justice. there's a need for peace and we call the asian in the most classical sense. we need to

transform the conflict into a b. so situation and justice is what people want and justice is what the people need. and the reconciliation mechanism is the way forward. okay, we have one minute left. people are at the hearts of this. are you optimistic that there will be an end to this for the people of the c r lewis much? i'm afraid i'm not as optimistic as i was in 2016. i'm afraid that looking at the numbers, looking at hunger levels right now, the food insecurity and the displacement. i'm terribly afraid that this country which has already been through so much, has many more years of difficulty on the horizon. that's just my real perspective having been working in a nurse. okay, thank you very much indeed. and the final words, it's a you move a delay a how do you see this play guides? are you hopeful for the future of the c r m?

i uses to feel that the dialogue really accelerated to include everybody, including groves in the political, put this on the side and also the dust and special court that, that was created recently to be in there very quickly. so that you can, you know, by the way would be a fight and you can see you didn't expect to have a p p. yes. ok, i'm afraid we are out of time, but i do appreciate all 3 of you for joining us on the show today. thank you very much to most of july louis, much answered peter cooper and thank you to for watching. remember, you can catch the show again and all of our previous programs anytime by visiting the website that i was 0 dot com for further discussion. you can head to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. and you can join

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