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news. news. news. ah, welcome to the stream. i'm rachelle carrie standing in for me. ok. people across them via this week are going to the polls in a tense general election dominated by 2 presidential candidates as incumbent edgarland go. and main challenge are they had to limit bid for victory. we ask, how will the outcome of this vote effect is ambia future? that is our question today. if you're on youtube, you can finish your comments and questions for our live discussion in love for you to be part of this conversation. so joining us for this conversation, i room and toss as she is alpha 0 as africa correspondent. and as in sam

b as capital lusaka, anthony walla is spokesperson for presidential candidate a can. they had dilemma and the opposition united party for national development also. and lusaka getting some last minute notes there. i can see an completing our lineup from this ambien capital. we have emma's china, he's a political spokes person for the ruling. patriotic front led by the president at gert lingo. hello everyone. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it, however, i'm going to start with you. does this have a feel of a close election? how would you describe what the atmosphere has been since you've been in country? one of the exam for me is one of those weird experiences way you arise in the country and probably because of covered 19 way people are really allowed to open. they come out and campaign as much as i would like to not really feeling that election fever on the grounds. i mean, you seeing some post here and there you things, some people campaigning,

but it doesn't feel like somebody of the listen i felt before. but that said, when you do speak to people one on one in the ground, they'll tell you they feel that there's something different about the selection. they feel that thing do seem a little bit close. it could be a tight race, lots of issues on people's minds. of course, the main one being the economy and people are just watching to see what happens on thursday when they go to the votes and what the outcome is going to be a big concern for much or is that is, will they be posted a violence one to resolve now, then if we have a loses, then accept the result. what do you see? do you, are there police? are there army? is there any type of presence like that, that you're seeing who present at the lingo? order the deployment of the military. a few days ago, off to the party said to have it supporters was killed. the opposition of also said they supported them, also being injured and killed as well. so there is that tension on the ground,

but what i've seen, i mean i've driven around and you don't really see the army on the ground. you see one or 2 here and there by the, i'd like visit the prison, but people know the around, they know they can be the back. it, they need to be that, that does kind of but for the hyphen mutation a little bit. but i mean, like i said, if you arrive today or tomorrow and you drive around, i live is obvious tension and violence, the garage not going to be a big heavy presence of the matri at the moment. so her, as i said, you've been in country you've been doing some reporting, i want to play something for our viewers. and for our other guests to see there has been some violence. there has been some loss of life. it's been deeply painful for some people. so i want to play a little bit of a report that you've already sent us and we'll circle back on the other side. yeah, daniel to some with family. got a phone call, telling them to rush to the hospital. when they got the, his body was in the morgue. he supported the ruling patriotic front and was not

campaigning for president edgarland go when he was killed. his relatives and friends say he was killed by opposition supported across town. another family is devastated medium to save us husband durham belonged to the opposition party u. p. n. d. he was putting up campaign posters when he was killed with a machete, allegedly by backers of the ruling party, get up in the mid which take it hurts the way he died was cruel. i now have to look after the children by myself. i don't know what i am going to do or how i am going to manage without him. heard is that when you see what the violence does to people and the pain that it causes, are you seeing that this makes people more determined to go to the polls or does the scare some people people seem determined to go to the polls, but yes, it does came from people, i mean, even in that report, speaking to those 2 families from the ruling party opposition when you ask them

when you post them, you know, to tell the story or to get the name or to can you show they face? it wasn't that easy to convince them to go on the record and tell the story. the kids, both sides were saying, you know, what if someone sees me, doesn't like what i say and they come off to me or my family there. is that subtle tension on the grind, but that said they is i can explain it someone say to me that this feels like 1991, you know, when multiparty democracy was i should in can tell when to sit down and with a new faith for the country people feel there's a bit of that happening. we don't know if that's going to happen or not, but is the feel that something is different about the selection. of course we only know when people go to vote and we see who they vote for. but yes, i can face up attempt calm that easy, calm on the ground, a lot of hope, lot of optimism. but of course that concerned that if we lose, the selection does accept that adult. what's going to be the way for to the country?

amos, how, how would you describe be the atmosphere right now? what, what would you like the world to see about the atmosphere and sam b as a selection is so close it exactly as a scene when she has been on the streets over the soccer, the complete you, different picture from that which is portrayed as, as tens celtic or something that shows that the country's ungovernable and with regards to the deployment of the, i mean in force men of security, what i would want to say, yeah, the world must seize, i'm different. what it is when you're on the street. so as you can see that, but the deployment is meant to nance that security. so we want people to see some default to, to the country with a strong stablished mccracken tradition that done. and marcia exist for a sufficient the free and fair election to take place and, and this,

this is what the president is committing to, that not a single life is with those in 44 election, which is why is number one priority. the security and stability of the country and the unlimited if there is no peace and stability, it is not possible for a free and fair rich talker. so, so far, what we are seeing now to get to be those lives been lost. but after that, what we are seeing now is that the most fear for a free unfair that should exist. ok. tested institutions of governance, i in place to conduct a free and anthony, i will. okay. anthony, do you feel like the set the scene has been set for a free and fair election? do you agree with what amos is describing? well, thank you very much and i think yeah, yeah, and it's been for them. so why it's a lot of things to be proud of. and top of that, this probably is

a long standing power and traditional piece that we have been enjoying for so many years. and folks who are the sacrifice and the hard work of several generations of it is in this country. and for us, in many respects, this election is about continually about traditional he's, by this time, by way of delivering broad, the social and economic status for the 18000000 course is in many respects you will show changed in how done by the so and yes or what has been done vertical baby bishop in this country. so brought this be each rational as the most been done, the at the moment you how, how many things done because generally lobby and that we are committed to

ensuring that we go through the selection. as it was that indicated, we would generally agree that not a single i should be should be lost, no logic shed when the election. but that was in the sense that you will understand the broadly speaking have reached the past in years have not worked for their citizens. and therefore, a res, i didn't need for us to deliver a change or lack of confidence in the hearts of mind or citizens in the rounds. the ability for the incumbent region to leave. and i must, yeah, that will ensure re election. busy contributing to and i must be a c and it was a citizen. do not have the confidence that we have for the conditions necessary for the delivery of a very election. so and attention attention has been

taken away by the assurance by the president and not just by speech in speech, but inaction that 1st of all you've got to our free and fade it should only when conditions of peace exist. and, and i think that we, we think that it taking our violence from the political amos, i want to show up. and this, let me, let me just get, get in there for just a 2nd. i want to put something to you. that's an a report for you, an amnesty said mc international is said, this is a quote is what we have seen in zambia, especially in the past 5 years. is it increasingly brutal crackdown on human rights characterized by brazen attacks on any form of descent? so you're describing piece, but piece at what cost, what, what are the measures that you're using to maintain the so call piece. if you look at is i'm been part m and for instance, as a major, if there's a brutal crack down on descent, it's one of the most vibrant vitamins,

probably in the entire africa. you have a very vibrant of position that is able to stop a constitutional b from passing into low to achieve that, you need a very vibrant cbo. so say at that low be again, it's a government position and it's like ok, and i've been able to see that. okay, that's actually a good point. you're making, we have someone from the opposition here, anthony, do you feel that way? look it's i think it's disingenuous. and. busy misleading to narrow commissions of the 3 and say less purely to one single aspect. or we're always indicated and i think the reports by the national and not just information have been reports that have been issued within the country by some piece. which points to precisely the same for you, which is national res?

yes. do enjoy the amount when it comes to cracking down on the opposition is unfathomable. it is something that is unprecedented. never is civil society which a must be free to, to lobby against government. be on the records human rights defenders that the drugs to to court maddy attempting to stage, not going to court it, but it probably got the ring outside the element in this country. it is practically the states approach it so well. ok. one moment that just gentlemen, gentlemen, job gentlemen, just a moment. so i actually, we have a lot of yours that are watching on youtube too, that are really tuned in particularly to this aspect of the conversation. we have someone to basis lou who says this is the most unfair elections in the history of

my lifetime. opposition parties are not allowed to campaign freely and the ruling parties strongholds, we have a lot of comments to that effect. and a question very specifically from lia columba, as a question for mr. shonda and your opinion, what makes this 2021 election free and fair? and then we're going to pivot to some of the issues with the economy in a moment. but i want you to answer that amos yes what, what makes it unfair? because the conditions this for the, for the position to come, then of course it's a coffee the election as we, according it, as the impacted the ruling pad in the manner that this is. although we design the campaign, we have had to move it almost 360 degrees from our we do the campaign to digital platforms. the reason why you don't see the ruling party making as much noise as the opposition does, is that we do have a commission that as a part of that, that's from the government that is in place. we do have

a great that is possibility and their position as if we are taught by the public director in one digit of the country not to move. you won't see us going to the media and cry about that. we suffer insight. but because they will position, do not have that bed and responsibility to that. we have you, we are more about it should as general and everybody we as a social democratic movement that petrovic front. and we like to talk to people in a campaign and we want to, i mean, we are just a moment just cuz we're having a, a tiny bit of a technical issue with you. so while we get that straight, i actually want to go to you, hey ruth, so everyone has referenced cove it and what we see is that the number of covey cases and zambia is about 200000. that's a really, that's a high number about 3500 debts. have people said you that they feel that the coven restrictions have gotten in the gotten in the way unfairly,

that they've been weaponized in any way to keep people from being able to organize? have you heard any frustration like that from voters? not yet, not the moment. what i've picked up is that people are concerned about club at 19, but they also realize that they isn't elation and some kind of campaign and has to go ahead. so they try to balance the 2 and i'm talking off of the new new party, what we see no, or the officially campaigns. they've been bad. but what you see some of these people doing, for example, the opposition sometimes doing party as well. they have what they call whistle stop rally way. they go into an area and they say they're handing out mot because of course, 19 to sensitize the public. but then of course, they didn't turn into binnacle rallies. interesting enough prison. edgarland good today on monday was at the airport where he officially open the new international april, which is both by china and where the money that he borrowed from the country is one

of these can be so much in debt and hundreds of winning party supporters with there was no social discipline thing, some of them what way? mosse. so i mean, officially bay is the thing that cause a 19, be careful, no campaigning, cetera, cetera. but we've seen both parties and other political parties as well. sometimes, i suppose breaking the so called law to campaign a head of the election. you know, you brought up the airport and money from china. that's a perfect segue into the, the conversation that we need to have about the economy and debt and how much debt that the country actually has. so that's the broader issue. but before we get to that, i want to play something from, from some people and say, and be, and how they feel about the economy very specifically, and how it's affecting that. and let's listen to that. so some go ahead, so they pause in the next few days with a name $10000000000.00 debt hanging over their heads. the debt has ballooned every move out of the government appetites to borrow and spend recently the government

defaulted in its payments in itself near just let us see letting, affecting the confidence of citizens and business alike and looking at the needs for the people who get ahead of these lectures, one of the most important thing they want to see how the economy is going to still be lives. because looking at the currency quite over the past few years, it does depreciate it. a great deal. losing value has making it hard for the people to afford a meal on that table in london, people, especially those have been poor. and let me do the middle class income in as in the, in the, in the cities hoping to, to tend this election around and try to secure their lives now and the future that keith, you talked about the, the, the debt, the loans that are coming in from china hiero. yeah, it'll get you great. wonderful things like airport. so what does it really mean for

somebody who needs to get food on the table? what is it that you're hearing from people about how frustrated they are about inflation high unemployment and how the economy just is not stable at? well, this is something very strange when i landed here. i mean, i was lawson dandy about 5 or 6 years ago. and when i landed in the soccer, i mean, you're amazed at the infrastructure development, the road, the bridges. i mean, there's new a port looks fantastic. i mean, i'm from a countries and bob we way. we think that in terms of it, without the development, we'd better all than some of the countries inside the, in the region. and i was like, amazed by how far that we've seen of gotten. and then i spoke to a young mother who was going shopping today for the basic no brain more cooking oil . and she says that because the economy is so bad, like inflation is high. salaries on going up as well. so people are struggling. she's got to cut back on luxuries for her and her son, as he saying, as she says,

we'll discuss development in life roads, the nice buildings, but she can't eat road. she called the big fancy airport. so that's the frustration . lots of people have at the moment trying to balance the 2 way they see, to some extent, the routing part of the prison and putting all the developments. but then the countries in so much that the government can provide certain services for the poor, for many ambiance on the ground. and ultimately the money that the owning is, this is not enough for them to make it. there is frustration from i think many van damme from all political parties on that front when it comes to the economy. so what about that? what, what does your party? oh, the people besides fancy new airports. those are pretty with it to development. the one point that the p f complimentary club, nice 2011. when we came into power that they did up, did it did infrastructure, whether it's road or the networks airports was impacting on development as it were,

that that the media on sunday and we've been treated to have power infrastructure that that's the main stagnant for 40th. so we have to put 750 megawatts of power because there's been an expansion in industry remaining where they centre people. so you, you got to invest in power infrastructure. i've got to invest in apple. it's deep banked. they have been an expansion in, we're growing them, get the buckle, and all those things are powered by, by, by energy center people. it's, you cannot have a public infrastructure that does not according to it's a population. the only 2 ways of raising money, where at the personal level or national, there was a business to see that debt or equity. if you don't city, you've got to go into debt. if that debt is invested in production miller and consumption these up, so you're doing nothing wrong. the government now 20212026 is moving into the micro

a situation of household food security, income levels for the people access you can eat frauds because there was a study in this country that a bump 5 if that is followed by west edge because people couldn't take the produce to market ok, go try. i know, and mr. hey, mr. making you are making the case for why infrastructure is important. obviously it is and i certainly did not imply to be dismiss, it didn't mean to seem dismissive of that, but anthony does what amos is saying? does this ring through to you the things that he's saying that are important and does his government deserve more time to get this done? or do you think that people are going to say time is up and that something will actually be different for your candidate who has actually run 6 times already? look, you cannot argue against infrastructure developed because that is indeed an in spokane, washington requirement for economics. but you can argue against what we needed to

argue against, in this case. number one, in a manner in which a big contract is a huge portion of this public. it's $23000000000.00, which i believe. and one talks about the 20 b was contrasted. legally, without elementary approval of the constitution is very clear that is to be approved by parliament and a huge portion contracted after 2016 was never taken to parliament for 2. and 2nd, they opted for expensive commercial debt when they hobbs options for confessional financing from bilateral anthony. and i just, i just wanna stop off there for one second. i'm sorry, one second. i understand your candidate is a businessman and you're talking and terms that way. but does the average person, how does what you say, actually resonate with the average person who just wants to be able to afford the same groceries they could afford last year so,

so you talked about how into millions of possible and i think we just, oh goodness anthony ball as signal just froze there. yes. all right. aim is name is name is and if that doesn't mean you get anthony's time, anthony. and we just i appreciate what you were trying to do there. amos but no, no, anthony, are you back? i can get the budget be in front of a huge amount of money that we stop now because now demons focus is on the biggest thing. and they said, rather than putting money into productive arrows, are they on me such as job creation, education, and public health? you can imagine next year,

the number $1000000.00 euro born is due. and the government at the moment just does not pay the fact that's money. whereas we need to be focusing on investment productive economy. the economy itself is not in a state where it will be able to reach the regular generating revenue to be able to afford those productive economy. and this is why we keep on making the points that they will never be asked to grow. and those are the one ordinary if we do not resolve the question of how these governments aboard this, all right, we asked me that that's going to have to be the final word that's going to half. and that's to have to be the final word hero. anthony m is thank you very much for joining us for this conversation. we'll be covering this throughout the week, leading up to the vote. you can always find this online. if you go to our 0 dot com, thank you for joining us.

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