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was just here with the i am rachelle carrie filling in for, for me. okay. and you are in the stream today. how is the indian government changing indeed, administered cashmere. we'll discuss current conditions in the countries only muslim majority state 2 years after new delhi stripped the region of its semi economist status by revoking article 370. and if you have a comment or question, i'm sure many of you do, if you want to put that to the panel, just go to argue to chat, we will monitor those comments and you will be part of today's conversation. ah. so let's meet our guest today

in new delhi, hiena bought a member of the b, j, p, and vice chairperson of the cutting village industries and shrink arc or galani, a journalist and author of the book, cashmere reach, and recent. also in china garza de where have historian and political analysts. thank you all for joining us in the stream for this conversation. gore, i want to start with you. how would you characterize life in indian administer? cashmere. 2 years on oh, well, you know, because me has actually slipped back into the darker ages. you know, that has been suspension of civil liberties and various, you know, deli based groups itself, like human rights for him or the concerned citizens group. have prepared, scathing reports about how the teams have been suspended, how media has been gagged and how the political, you know,

space has actually been suspended also apart from the fact that, you know, there is tremendous fear that has been weaponized to stifle different. and you know, that, you know, everything was done in the name of development, but if you see on the ground, there's the report baker's chamber of commerce and industry, which saves that more than $500000.00 people, including boys and girls have actually lost their jobs. so on every, you know, index that you want to analyze because me has actually slipped backwards. and it's like, you know, kind of, you have, you have your surviving just to kind of tell the tale. it's very, very difficult situation. and there are risks and the security situation also according to a could be the human rights for them at delhi based organization has actually worse . and in the last 2 years ago. and that report that you're referencing actually i have some notes from that report. human rights forum is what it's called. as you

said, they said that close to a 1000 people are still in prison including minors and elected legislators, legislators as well that that's a 1000 people. is that something that is talked about in the media or journalists allow to, to discuss this depress for answers on why this is happening. unfortunately, there has never been such a crackdown on media as has been prevalent in the last 2 years. since the ship has be sort of institutionalized and the journalism has been criminalized, there is this draconian media policy which came into being it last year. it's referred to as media policy 2020, which actually empowered a bureaucrat or a clerk in the department of information and public relations to declare any journalist, any report or prop writer editor as you know, his or her report and di, national, ortho dishes or even feet and then initiate a legal action against the said individual,

we have had more than $43.00 journalists who have been someone to police stations, cyber police stations, and have been questioned, humiliated, and you know, to are arrested already. you know, there is awesome. will don case for the last more than 2 or 2 years, there was god the chablis who faced 9 month long detention and both arrested at 2nd time around. and there are, you know, more than a dozen journalists, how cases under draconian law. this happens on an almost a daily basis that journalists are someone to police stations. it is a like that is, that is, there is no freedom before expression. there is no freedom of expression and there is no freedom to express. so i want to, i want to, i'm assuming that you have a different perspective. how would you describe what the current atmosphere is in need administered cashmere 2 years since article $370.00 was revoked. i think my can god were elaborate. it did. so i would

understand that article 370 was the sentiment what fish media had, would we really need to understand that article 370 was just the shell left and it was to be remote. it was to be aggregated. the situation, if you talk about us both 5 august abnegation of article 370 i would say that god, what is getting much of it? that better has been no casualty. it's least every slide be what we would face. our loved ones would die in protest that has stopped, i would say, what is more important the lives or the political scenario, what we had since decades. i think for the 1st time since i'm born and bought up and i see situation in kush me, that has been minimal casualties. but let me just let me put the

question to you though. but at what cost, what you're describing is perhaps on the surface a more peaceful situation. but what goers describing it is journalists being thrown in jail. we also have someone on, on twitter who sent us a comment that described indian administer cashmere as an open air prison with so many checkpoints, constant harassment by police constant traffic stop. so what cost is this piece that you're describing? it is not today. if we just put everything after application of by 5 august, it is not today. it has been there since decades. i think since i'm born and i have seen the situation, the situation will always been there. that is a moral where that is a militancy that bed is killing every day. security has to be that, and unfortunately it is chosen to be push me. i myself am like i see other parts

of the country where we see so much peace. but in our got in our place, you're going to meet, you see police everywhere to get the forces everywhere, but they have their duty to do otherwise, what the changes we have seen decrees been military to see decree as a stone balloting decrees. and so many things are dead and we have ok after that there are changes. let me bring to deacon's headache. what is your analysis of the current situation and ended administer cashmere? i mean, i would go operate everything that go has that. i think that the a but i think another thing that needs to be looked at is that why is the situation prevailing as it is and, and i think that's one. but the other thing that i would like to point to is the future and the future looks very grim. the future looks grand because despite

a very brutal crack down on the 5th of august, 2019, the central government has not achieved any of its seems. i mean the central government of india. and one of them was, for example, to bring a government that would be even more complicit with you know, the wishes of the government in delhi. and that's not happened. another problem is that was made was that there would be great development and that has not happened then of course, you know, the ultimate was that the people would be much happier. and i think that if you know anybody coming here would quickly conclude that that's not the case. i mean, in most of us majority. so i think that the analysis of the past and

present, i think we've been gone through. i think the future looks great and i think that that's something that we need to put our focus on. so it looks great in just a moment. no problem. because you brought up a point that we actually have. we actually have a sound bite from, from someone who says, basically kind of backing up what you said, that this was all done under the guise of development and being better and for the region. but that actually some people are just very skeptical about. so let's go ahead and listen to a miss by reggie and see what she has to say. there is no question of the fact that the argument of development was an old life, diffuse for logic, political motives, in fact, after 1st august, 2019 with the complete locked down movement in communication. black because media economy was completely devastated. but what has increased and changed since 2019 is

that there's an increase on surveillance on bush movies, both in the region and outside, arguing against the government. the complete disillusion off base was there was this id groups to exist. and there is a consisting of that i defeated speech and expression. in fact, stringent idea laws are being used arbitrarily. i'm excessively against media in the region. and so there's a lot that should cover there. and some of this we've already discussed, but specifically the president of the kashmir chamber of commerce and industry said that the regions economy is actually suffered. losses worth $7000000000.00 and $2.00 consecutive locked down 1st due to the bad 3 article $370.00 being revoked. and then obviously due to the pandemic as well. so basically he know people are saying that the promises that, that the government made for why they were, they were doing this actually just have not been true. i would like to make it very clear. yes. unfortunately the clam down after 5th august and then more unfortunate

was the co ed. it has been since decades issue, which one cannot just change it with a magical when that situation, what the present government, the present governance is doing. we have declared the market for decades and i ping what i can see a change off goes your said yours. that's in downtown area that shops are open now every day in week. instead like every friday would be morning. i know the death of under the friday or the previous friday. so this thing has stopped. and how did the economy has been hit? hit by like, everybody is saying, yes, of course. when there is the turmoil in the state, that is the militancy that is the hoodie of calls of law down and shut down. and

that is the call that new employees can't go. he has to can tell that both of both other co panelists want to get in here. i'm just trying to decide who's going to go 1st go or thank you. i just want to make up look point one is, you know, she talked about, you know, talked about down down the street now go down down. i would like to inform her that 402 fridays for the last, more than 2 years. the central mosque of 3 now go, has been closed, and prayers have not been allowed there for 100 and to friday, and that is more than 2 to yes. so point number one, point number 2, that all of this was done in the name of development. actually the former chief minister of human kashmir. mister omar of de la, who is also vice president of the oldest political party national conference, which is a pro india political party. actually said that even before 2019 in an interview

with an indian television general times now he said on every human a single human development index, a general question was way, way better, better than fancy states of india, like good drought on a literacy on g d, p on, you know, book, capital, income, etc. but, you know, even if there was development done and then civil liberties suspended, media, gag, political space, and middle ground obliterated. you know, you can't praise saying, you know, you can't forget the holocaust. you can't forget the persecution of the jews and say, mr. hitler, big a great autobahn, the movies. you know, the argument is good, and i also want to inform miss cannot but that her own video is incidentally on the you do a reading. she mentioned that if article $370.00 was abrogated by her own political party, she would be the 1st female to pick up the gun. i don't want, we did, we don't want anyone to pick up the gun. but probably it was, it was a rhetorical statement or compulsion. so i think these arguments do not hold any

want to so they can go ahead city, god, i, you know, it's very curious, but should say that, you know, all this has been going on. and so you can expect it to go on number one, because the government, i mean the party that she belongs to, which is also a headed heading, the government in delhi for the last 7 years, has been saying that they will turn things around in kashmir and they let less turnaround, you know, the other thing is that i think it's a rather specious argument to say that, you know, it's going to take a lot longer for everything to turn around it because of decades of turmoil. when in point of fact, the herd on her own party was saying that things

will turn around immediately after august 19th. i mean, august 2019 so, you know, i mean these are just very difficult propaganda to get over. and it's very painful to hear somebody talking about it. so you know, 1st side of the, i mean, i think that needs to be stressed. you know, what would you, what, what would you say to 2 people? there are 2 muslims living in indian administered kashmir, who said that they feel like 2nd class citizens. ah, i don't believe and i don't except that that we are living as 2nd class citizens. i absolutely disagree with this. i have seen a change in the one cush me. do i have studied and lived across the country, but the change is seen in every corner of the system. the

corruption, the garb of the cut option. yes. the people who are getting effected the people will, but i want, i want to, i want to read a comment for when i talk about 2nd class citizens. we have a comment from someone on youtube. hussein are so walla, you said i hope i'm saying that right says, what is the point of democracy if the voting rights of the populace to elect the chief minister is taken away in favor of what you're saying says is a central pseudo dictatorship. people feel disempowered government of india has been worse awaiting and they have been pushing all the regional parties, political parties there for elections. but they have been denying to participate in elections. they have been new parties, political parties. ok, let it. so yes, she paused, so let one of the one being she, she paused so you want to continue. who wants to pick that up?

sedate i heard the lie just, i just wanted to remind ms. but that the people who the one set of elections, which was somewhat of a surprise to all of us because it was at a, a, for the level of governance that was introduced. you know, rather arbitrarily and, and is not part of the structure. but in any rate, you know that the heard the party, the b g, b calculated that the others would not participate. they participated and the b was beaten. so i don't know, i mean, despite the fact that that, that layer of governance had no, we just called the, i think the district development do the high for local whatever. yeah. sort of and no development has taken place the election. so have taken place but also, you know, from a structural point of view. 3 it was

a level of governance that had no power whatsoever. i mean, you know, so what are we talking about? you know, pulling the why have, i just want to? yeah, i just want to point out that these elections have been dr. 70 years. why? when is a really, really important is it's very, you know, you need to understand, you need to understand the structure. you know, there was no d, d, c, it was created. why not? why not order? people will whole whole lot critic civic, hold on let letter letter speak. i am but he know what of that, what it, what is it? is it possible that i think what he's saying is these elections were just to make it seem like things were going back to normal and they weren't really substantive in any way. and see the 1st important point. what i want to make out head is be to be was, it was not important that b, g, p will when the elections,

if you look into the election and the candidate, there are new faces. there are new people, young boys and girls who have participated in elections. and this was the election . what was always never happened in the history of german kush me and why not? when that is the block, devlin meant ga, slurred bad, then the blog. then the area dead left. how can you just say that nothing. it would just happen just m c b j b or re on go ahead and for a minute. absolutely. yeah, i just, i just want to go from a report by concerned citizens group, the tabby, who have been coming to me for the last 5 years. and it was the 9th report. and i'm reading from the executive summary. and it says that the arbitrary detentions in germany, me to continue unabated. censorship has been institutionalized. it says that there,

you know, the large sections of population in and died. human could be including the doc or gallantly feel threatened about their demographic. and with this new di, limitation of assembly constituencies. and also it says, the bureaucratic rule actually is supreme and the read has been badly hit. so this is not going to dig thing. this is the new belly based group come and, and i earlier go to another report human. but 11 more important point which i want to make about that lot of talk about the doc get it late. and now, you know, it was actually an assault on the diversity of gym would cause me to buy by forgetting that doc and german could meet into 2 different you know, $33.00 to be controlled federally by new delhi. and now people of lee and guardian have come together and actually moved the supreme court of india to challenge the abrogation of article $37.00. so ok, i want to get a couple of comments from you to one from a non saying who says that he has,

he has talked to local people and they say that they want peace, so the tourism will grow again, adults should be or put this question to us, why doesn't the united nations take action against india and i actually do have that question to, to either either us today or go go or were you surprised that it seemed that the international response was somewhat muted and has been over the last couple of years to deep. well, i actually rochelle the international response has been very hard for me was just go ahead. no, let, let me finish. i think that it has been very hard, but it is not, you know, acknowledged and understood. for example, immediately after august, 5th, 2019, the whole kashmir issue was internationalized to an extent that we couldn't even

dream about, you know, and, and it was internationalized because of the fact that, you know, the government of the people's republic of china responded by saying that now they were part of it because it involved del tree that of jan gate, which is in, in, you know, occupied in part by china. and similarly, i think that over the years, i mean, and about a year ago or a little over the year to go little more than a year ago, there was skirmish which turned out to be very serious. and now india has a problem all the way from the to the eastern side. didn't other nachos to me, you know, confrontations with china. so i think that the international community has responded,

you know, it does not perhaps students wonder the way that we would like it to in, in catch me regarding, you know, the various issues that are local, et cetera. but it has sort of deepened the security problem in south asia, as you know, it has more than i think in a long time. gore, i'm curious, what are, what is your take then on what the international communities response has been? i think i will add to what mr. dick said, i think in the last 2 years, that have been scathing reports by the united nations back to back reports in fact . and there have also been if you look closely at the v dom institute report and also the freedom house report. yes, i agree with doctors a deal that it's not enough or it's not you know, as the people have them when could meet, would have wanted. but there are other concerns,

and as you rightly pointed out that now this, what was done internally, hill is sort of, you know, it was said that it's an internal matter. but it had geopolitical consequences as the pointed out earlier. and now there are in the an analyst, defense analysts saying that there is a possibility of a 2, a 2 and a half trend law, one with a little bit pockets done in china and then in the hinterland. so this has actually gone too far, you know, maybe they had done a lot of homework to stifle layer. so they're saying, but it is beyond that, you're saying, i think that perhaps it had on intended consequences. and that will have to be that will have to be the last word he no, but gore galani and sedate. what he thank you so much for the conversation. we appreciate it very much. thank and that is all the time we have for now. thank you . so much for watching will cease and, ah,

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