mother and father, we don't want to be realistic in the well, we would rather have a fantasy growing pains on al jazeera ah al jazeera. where is the. this is al jazeera. ah, hello and welcome. i'm peter toby. you're watching the news. i live from coming up in the next 60 minutes discussing a transfer of power. the taliban and the afghan government are in talks inside the presidential palace. waiting at the gates of the capital, a taliban spokesman tells al jazeera, his spices are not attacking. cobble,

and offers. an amnesty to those who served in the government or the military worries mounts among those who fled to the capital to escape the fighting in other parts of the country. in other news this out more than 300 people killed for a large earthquake. it's west of the haitian capital. aah! just after 10 hours gmc, you're watching are continuing coverage of the breaking news. coming to us out of afghanistan. as it stands, this, our taliban fighters surround the capital, cobble and negotiations underway to secure a transfer of power. there is a taliban delegation inside the presidential palace. we understand the situation on the ground is changing fast. our to our it has intensified over the past couple of hours with more or more provincial capitals falling to the forces of the taliban.

the statement, the taliban said it doesn't want to end to cobble by force. it still despises to wait on the outskirts of the city and not try to enter the city. the taliban statement also called for safe passage to be given to any one wanting to leave and for women to head, to what a court quotes protected areas. foreign embassies have continued to evacuate their stuff with helicopter, seen going between those buildings and the airports. us diplomatic officials of now started working from inside the airport. while nisa says several e. u staff have moved to a safer undisclosed location inside the capitol. live now to cobble and our correspondence tracking the developments for us our to our charlotte bellis, charlotte. sketchy details. i know, but just give us a sense of what the latest information is. well, this is actually not happening in kabul, but it is the latest information and quite dramatic. but how about have taken over the back room in the field,

which was the big help for the us. and they inside that if you is a prison, it's or no, no, just north of cobble inside that prison was i some faxes, many, many of them. and as the taliban have over run this prison, these eyes will find out. we understand they, there are clashes fighting potential killing happening and this prison right now between the telephone and i. so to the extent that the taliban ascending the special forces unit 2 bedroom prison to try to get control of the situation with these thousands of persons in this present to try to get control of the situation developing or that has just come to us just in the last few minutes inside cobble however, it is just a constant stream of how the costs is going back and forth between the embassy to the airport, usually and, and even this morning, the strike shot back and forth. and since maybe 2 hours ago,

2 to 3 hours ago, the telephone said that they didn't have some faxes in the city been, we heard gunshots been smoke, started burning from us government building since they started burning documents. and at that point, many, many more helicopters were put in the us apache helicopters, black corks, they started firing heat from is which as we understand it used to kind of stop surface to air missiles and they've been spraying them all over southern cobble in the through the city, i mean, i've seen the helicopters come and go behind us here for many years, but that's the 1st time i've ever seen them use hate plays as a sort of protection. so they, they hurriedly moving their personnel from the embassy to the airport at the more and people are staying home and just watching to see what happens is these negotiations continue. it seems that they are making progress. i spoke a short time ago to us special representatives on my list that was indoor hi austin

. had the negotiations broken down by the fact that we're seeing the telephone knocking on the gate of door of cobble. but he said no, are they still going? well, there has been some conversation that molar berta who is the political here for the telephone and how that he would come as far as i understand that he is remaining. and for the moment as these negotiations continue, we understand some of these negotiations focused on the transition of power. and obviously that would involve president gone a losing his position as president at this point. the government has very few cards to play the capital here, surrounded by the telephone. they picked up provinces directly to the east and west or the night. they took the province directly south yesterday and they have very few cards left to play, to push the telephone to any compromise in any type of future political stage. and charlotte, it feels as if this is an utterly unique situation. we have the taliban at the

gates, chicago city, literally. we have a peace process, allegedly still ongoing in the country capital dough heart. but we have also discussions going on inside the presidential palace talking about we understand the demand from the taliban, which is a handover of power. i mean, there is no way this scenario ends. well for abstract connie, while a cut and worse. sure. gone. and that could be that the taliban tight cobbled militarily, in which case history may be repeated to the case of sheila many years ago. so i think he would much prefer to have some type of political settlement, no need his own survival and his fellow government official survival, but also for the people of cobble is millions of people live in cobble and the numbers have swollen as hundreds of thousands of people have pushed in towards

cobble as fighting, has taken place in the provinces or the last few weeks. so there are a lot of people look into this, hoping that a political solution is found and not a military military one. it seems like they are making progress on those negotiations, but as far as the political future is concerned, it looks rather bleak and as far as the signaling and the optics. the concern, when we talk about that chuckle shuttlecock process, charlotte helicopters going from embassies going from? i assume the compound housing that the embassy staff work in and live in to the airport. they're literally, we understand destroying information in the embassy buildings they're being ferried to the airport. some of them are working by remote in the airport. the signaling there is clear, i mean, in a sense, we don't even need to discuss it. i guess they all think afghanistan,

the entire country is about to fall to the taliban. this evacuation was mean to take place quickly and that's why they seem to these special forces. it was originally $3000.00 special forces coming in to assist with this operation at swollen to 5. thousands is the telephone have encroached on the city and it was always made to be done quickly. but definitely, as we can just see from number of helicopters in the air and the fact that they have patches and black hawks up essentially protecting these, these check boxes, they ferry people back and forth. it has, it is wretched it up a notch. and the last few hours is they have realized the magnitude of what is happening and how risky it could be if they don't get people out quickly. we had, as news broke, that the telephone had reached the gates of cob. will we saw a huge fire plume of smoke from the us government building. we believe

which we believe is, is that burning documents if they make their exit very fast? charlotte, for the moment, we'll come back to you, of course, in a couple of minutes to follow, but in the meantime, thank you so much. we will get back to charlotte ellis. they're covering that developing story for us out of cobble. so hail shaheen is the international media spokesman for the taliban. he says fighters have taken most cities around in the capital, but they have not entered cobble as yet. our forces have not entered the carbon city. and we just the issue, the statement saying that our forces will not enter called the city. we are talking and waiting peaceful transfer. i transition awful capital city. so, and also there will be spatial, i mean, for the maintenance of security of the city. so that personal

property and i got a boardman installation offices are not hot and the forces they have going that we see they have stopped the fighting and they have joined us and all probably says in all majority of the problems that. 1 they have joined. 1 forces and they have handed or they come with the way and it will thing and they are their name. 1 just that so the proper steps will be taken in pure job for how they will be invaded in the government. the people will coming to us in all the provincial centers, will, our reports is inter, so it is a popular uprising and all the prob, probably in his order with us. so they should understand and know the ground realities and the set in the to submit to the well of the people.

so that is the will of the people, the people there will be a mentor which will be acceptable to all i think that up to the other side of the pool. come with tangible proposal suggestion, which will be a way from piece for transport price for transfer. 1 power water and also to how do would be the comfort in the mix the future go? let's bring in simple con, she's a political and security analyst. she's joining us on skype from islam about symbol . welcome back to the news. when you and i were discussing this coming event, this time yesterday, and i think the day before as well. we was speculating about a time scale of days, weeks, perhaps months. did you think that we would get to where we are today to day?

yes i think by am i will contradict you. i think by the time before yesterday i says that they are going to speed up there and bonds to cobbler and cobbler, maybe falling. that's why we but up at about in about 4 in the morning watching events, they advances betty foster la bog hall with betty betty. there was little resist. the fighting was short. i did seem that they will try and finish the fight as soon as possible and take the hold on his arm and show that you know, this is extremely, i don't have another word other than all or done historic moment because this is extremely historic in a sense that the taliban, when the time came in, they were never able to capture all of the time it's on. but this been walking up to the gate so it seems like december at achieving that. and if this transition can happen, be fully, maybe we can move to another doctor on, on history. you think it can happen peacefully. i think the signs that they're

obviously keeping thing is crossed. i think another thing, betty significant, which takes away from trouble is the visit of the 3 jimmy at lead us to pockets on one of the 3 was doubted. as was mentioned as a possible head of the indebted set up the, the me, a leader. i don't want to take his name, but he was mentioned about 2 months ago as a possible acceptable head of the indelible government which is acceptable to the valid bond. he's one of the 3 people would visiting the boxes right now. i don't know what the agenda of the meetings are going to be, but for me, this is betty significant, and i think it'll be a gesture that if it is a non volleyball announced as the head of the intent. that job, although seem to be, have taken the level on when that might show that they are ready to move in order to set up and doing one to completely dominate the political and military set up in a how is this very, very combustible situation being viewed by the government in islam about betty

bodies some i think you may have heard odd and then same we use of just talk about that this morning to an american news channel. they feel that this is being done kind of in a very badly managed. he's the way the reputation wasn't dad. this was being discussed and in general, setup will be brought in before this kind of a rush to afford to draw, which is barbara gone. i've been talking about are responsible for a long time. they've been urging americans to slow down and kind of move the political transition along with a 1000000 people are good that wasn't happening. so there's another question there . what we go there some more that german is also support. radically open. we invited about the humanitarian condition, the inside on and i think to the channel, i want the international community. i want all of us on state where does start focusing a little bit more on that. there are disruptions on supply market. food stops.

people have been being around, people have been displaced. we don't know what the conditions i think should move foster to support on people at this time. and i think we should some, some attention before with that. can i just sort of condition my next point symbol with a couple of big ifs. if it is peaceful, particularly the prism of what's happening and cobble city, not the province, carpal city. and if the process in the country capital doha carries on as it's being carrying on because everyone involved in that is saying it's basically still alive. it's basically heading in the right direction. how far away are we wrapped up with those to? it's how far away are we from talking about the taliban government of afghanistan? i think we did it by the way, because if you follow the doctor office like you have like all of us, all the talk basically what the taliban. i bleed also. but talking about it and get

them set up. i think there is a realization if you follow all the taliban statements coming last year in a hospital that they, you know, having a fully imposed government, led by the school, largely didn't quite valuable movement. and all of us on would be to be hard for them to believe and they would have written a very restive provinces which are in the north and also in the west sun. so there is a realization to go for a more inclusive set up, which includes some of the order on the bottom leadership political active into the board. so even i think, even in the interim setup, you're likely to see represent the front of those non valuable actors. jimmy members and others, and even going forward in a long term basis, the better the evolution, we don't know what kind of a system we don't know. the thought of on actually lead to a democratically elected system governance, which is basically what the taliban of what is a lot of fun systems. government is,

but i think going forward also i am hopefully see a more of an inclusive pick up in a political force as our representative. i think this is something that the international community missed. there was an opportunity window of opportunity just offer the fall of the bond government to include them into the future. $11.00 and $1.00 to process which was not done, which is something that box on her grades many, many times. i think the time on are clever enough not to make that mistake this time symbol. can we just wrap up our conversation with discussing one specific points women are being told to go to areas protected areas to be protected? i guess the taliban may be getting a little bit ahead of themselves with that, but it's now it's in the public domain. who is it that would be doing the protecting and how many women do you think will make their way to the protected areas? i think it's a, it's a, it's an issue that is a very live issue. and it's

a very big issue in a very big criticism. international as well as criticism from women and on human rights. and what he's inside of the treatment of thought bonded vision on board on should mean for the women of the phone and how they should live. this is an area of which there needs to be glad if you from the side. but if i, if i was to for that statement about rebec did areas, i think this needs to be on fact a little bit more by the thought about themselves in my own senses. they meant that home symbol. com the, it's not about. thank you very much. for your thoughts at this awkward hour for afghanistan, while the on groups also taken control of every major border crossing in the country last to be seized was the crossing at come one of the largest gateways between afghanistan and pakistan for many cobble airport is becoming the only escape route, but few have the resources to use it. come hider is in islam about,

come out, give us a sense of your reading of where we are right now, particularly when it comes to the taliban. now exerting control of all those crucial border areas. where do i re day a foregone conclusion that the dollar bond would 3 by garage? i've run it on. obviously they've been using tactics of negotiations, bargaining dead warnings, and order announcing an amnesty show. they want to fight at the door from earlier. they expected that they would be different distance because the one ford had brought considerable fire power to overcome. seeing that they were protected at any cost, but large night after negotiation, read the dollar bond, the dollar barn door to them were coming to the door come. and at that point, as they started coming into the door, come, the unfortunate started to leave their ordinary normal shade. there were no

attention, not a single bullet being fired the situation completely quiet. and we're all sort doors of reports coming in that and of our delegation is probably already on a threat to a lot more bod. this includes some of our leaders, including the head of parliament units con noni. were told that are stock market, who the leader of the faction did not up faction is also coming to get on. so that the word of god add weight to the argument that have some sort of an inclusive or an acceptable in debt and government. it's likely to be taking shape. we're also heading and targets done through our short dollar bonds. so it's also saying that perhaps within the next 24 hours, you may say the bread and dr. runny and hedge crowed age by out of the country.

what's the relationship been like? do we think come all between him? run con and abstract ghani, particularly over the past few weeks when the taliban has pushed, had a success pushed again, had of the success. because when i ref, connie took over the presidency. he tried to bring in this kind of paradigm shift almost in the relationship between islamabad and carpool. he was tilting towards pakistan basically saying implicitly saying, i want you to be involved in afghanistan. and then phosphor would 4 or 5 years. and the taliban a doing what they've been doing over the past few weeks. well, that's an excellent question. actually. there was a move by both sides to normalize relations, but there was also a faction within the government redraw against rapprochement red. but just on and

day of god, what advising sharp rodney otherwise, but the fact remained that iran khan had said all along that whatever solution happens inside of one, it's donna has to be gone. lead. i've gone on and gone for just started to fade defeat after defeat. that was the blame game. many thing that the $1.00 bond was propped up where they explode, saved from budget audio daughter gauge, and they were pushing for the friendship of ever. everybody found out that the army, wary of the long, 2 decades wall were then no more to continue with the fighting. and definitely decided to put down the weapon, the dollar bond, then getting their hands on tower than the 4 wheel drive. i saw the drive all kinds of sophisticated equipment and watch brokerage them into a larger portion across the country. but now having consolidated and the nod west

and south dynamics of gods have changed. margaret on the day of the whole pair because the dollar bond have said they will not go into the car, but of guns blazing and dug up. got all for that ray of hope perhaps for the 1st time in decades of hope for the gone people. okay. come out, good talk to us ever. thank you so much. come, i'll hide the report in life. the news of islam about ok, as we know, one of the key questions now for women in afghanistan is what the taliban do now with the women of afghanistan, not just in couple city or cobble province, but indeed in all those areas where they now have control they have traction north, south, east and west in the country. let's talk to hoss not julio, formerly deputy minister of women's affairs, and also formerly deputy minister of interior affairs in afghanistan. she joins us from washington. d. c. hoss, mitchell. you're welcome to the news out. just share with us if you can,

your thoughts this our thank you so much for having me here. i just want to add on the how did, if you to put a woman, i've got a client. i don't believe that the police are a collarbone policy for women. i'm going to stop has changed. it's exactly the same, the same m, right, but i would say it's going to be even more brutal if there weren't be bill we. they're claiming for an inclusive government, but i would say that policy for the women of a benefit would be even more considering what we have practiced on the grounds since the last 2 years since the peace being they had with the us government. unless there would be an international intervention, the policy would be even more clearly, there's not going to be a us intervention. forgive me, i mean this question, respectfully,

what are you basing your assertion on? we've been talking to a taliban spokesman here on al jazeera and clearly there is an element of control trickle down control within the taliban. that may be, wasn't there? in the mid ninety's? the legitimacy, i mean the base for the legitimacy of b, paula bon presidents and urology, and they're basically, they're, they're slumming, and it's like the, the framework of islamic m read has got a definition. but when it comes to the women's presence under society, women's rights, and i would say what they can offer for the women of cancer. so if we would consider, i mean the whole structure, they can take women up as a portion out of their whole structure or their whole regina or their whole system . and if they offer them something else,

do we need to know more about these so called protected areas that the taliban has been talking about protected areas, specifically for women when it comes to the protect it like this for something which, which have gone on for the last you heard that i'm talking there is no where i mean there's not protected area for the woman. at least so far that i'm in touch with the ground level. there is no protected area for the woman. granted. do you think this taliban because this taliban is it seems different to the old taliban. it's more organized. it's more coming around behind the some sort of a modulus machine behind and establish leadership. although that's, that's i guess my interpretation more than anything else. is there a place in which if there is a peaceful transfer of power in the afghan capital,

external countries can talk to the taliban and raise what you're discussing? as a very important issue, i would say yes. carla. bar of today is more organized than tolerable and of pre 2001 because they do have the experience of ruling have gone for a couple of years and they have to take it to get more organized and to give more talk to what they're supposed to do now unless one of the preconditions of tyler bond would be i would say for the new really system, i would call that unless the precondition would be changing the constitution. i've got a son which is protecting war, my son. unless that happens, there would be the just pace for the international community to intervene. and so

to protect, when we are just discussing about the, the right to form and their access to, to basic service. but if that is already does as a precondition to the piece mean, i don't see much for the women left. i think it was about 4 or 5 weeks ago when the taliban advance was embryonic when it had just started to do what it's now successfully carrying on doing i was talking on this channel to one of the afghan female interpreters who worked very closely with the us led forces in afghanistan over the past decade, and she was waiting to see whether she was going to be on an evacuation flight either to the states or to the us military base here in katha. and we both agreed during that conversation that she had to get out and get that quickly. because her worry was that the taliban could find her tag her, identify her,

find her location very, very quickly. is that a worry, a real genuine, worry a parallel, worry for all those women, not just women who, who are married with children, but women who worked for n g o women who worked for the, the nato forces, the us forces the u. k. forces the, the, the canadian forces who been in ghana, stan unfortunately this is the word, this is the concern of every single african women, not just the ones who have worked with international community with the international. i like the full time, but a new woman who has had a voice just in the last 20 years, being part of the, the society or being part of government or being, being in the media, the private or the government. the nation. the concern a equally shared among all women in afghanistan and the concern a part as i mean, a major factor why they're concerned

a although dollar going to are making a couple of statements that their policies towards women know if i'm gonna spend or change compared to where it was pre 2001. but unfortunately we didn't have exactly the same experience before they take over afghanistan. and then for the drum, they found their own ways to haunt women, to target, to women who could have something to say or who control, who, who could voice and the concern is equally shit. ok, house. now we must leave it that good to get your thoughts here on the news. now, how's naturally all talking to us from washington? we will of course, keep you across all the developments coming to us. all couple city, couple problems and the country are gonna start. we will also bring you this story here on the news on as m b as positionally. that takes the lead to become president of google trails behind.