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the atrocities that have been committed that have been a cause from various bodies, human rights organizations, to investigate actions by the taliban and other parts in maybe more remote provinces. i think we're going to see a different side to the taliban hearing. cobble because they are very much, this is a very much a public, a world stage if you like. and they want to show, show to afghanistan, to the people here who are understandably very nervous about having the taliban back. but also to the why the international community that this is a different a taliban. this is tyler bond that has legitimacy. it can be trusted. he's responsible. i think this is going to be a responsible government that can deal with its neighbors. can deal with power like china will like russia, and we've seen envoys from the taliban go to those places that can be accepted by the international community. okay, thank you very much. and the backend for the presidential palace. let's listen in
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but got a microphone fits at night and we have translation, but listen in things our people for 20 years plus god took on ours and go on. found them all for 8 years. the okay, just bring you a couple of lines or we're waiting for the we're having some issues or wait. nothing's being said right now. so we're posing the translation there. but we have heard from the seller who dean essential security official of the taliban,
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who said they're happy because there has been no bloodshed arrangement for the leadership of the taliban to come to their arranging for the leadership the telephone to come to have kind of finalizing those security concerns to bring them back to afghanistan and also pointing out that the handing over of the government headquarters in several provinces around the country was done in a very peaceful manner underlying this transition that were watching right now is also being done in a peaceful manner so let's, let's get some reaction to this ny rejoins now on algebra. can see these pictures, but i'm joined by walmart so much. he's the former african ambassador. he was also
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an advisor at c, former to do one of the senior officials of the after and governments. he's speaking to us from washington d. c. it is good to have you with us here on the i'll just the news are just watching these pictures that were broadcast and why from the presidential palace. what do you make of this? well, it's stunning. it is something that in some ways is his story. after 20 is talking about are back in and as though they had not left, you were very long 20 years of bloodshed, 911. and they're after they were ousted in war, going on for years. billions and trillions daughters with spend and 2000 people
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have died. so i think obviously it depends on your only takes, but it's a bitter sweet moments depending on who you are. we hope that for our dentist and it turns out to be the opportunity to get back it into a normal and become a normal peaceful country. a country that has created a war and now needs some level of peace and stability. now whether they caught a ball can bring this a doubtful, they would have to do it with the help of the african people in all political and social actions in the country. i don't think one thing there who can do that. you have to respect the will of the people in so many ways and then hopefully instead of, you know, becoming a it is sort of an opposition to the games of
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the last 20 years that they can build on that and help the african people move towards a healing process. we've just heard the african president national connie has just published a facebook post saying that he left the country in order to avoid bloodshed. so we are hearing now from i shot connie, who at one time, was sitting behind that desk in the presidential palace being occupied by several taliban faces. i was still on these exclusive pictures i had over the presidential palace. oh, some of the taliban. we've heard of played a very savvy social media game. they've also been very keen to get the message
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across that they are respecting the they want to respect the rights of, of the afghan people. they want to protect women, protect schools, basically showing a very different a different face to what people might associate with the taliban of 20012002 so on. are you, are you reassured by these these promises that the taliban have been issuing over the last over the last hours and days? you know, the proof is in the pudding. so it really depends on the behavior and the action and ultimately their policy. and you know, it's, it's one thing to, to make those pledges at this stage. it's another thing been to actually execute
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and implement those. i think it's very, it's going to be a big test with the taller bond to, to close to the rest of the world. improve the african people that they have changed their love to talk about the nike ninety's that they mean. well that they actually care about the act and people that they care about, men and women and girls going to school that they care about. the youth that make up 80 percent of the country that they care about the african economy and security stability and all of that. and we do know that accountable for example, ad hoc justice system. but it has to be used judiciously and has to be used within a certain framework that people can add here to the end of the day. i think they need to also respect come of the freedom to liberty that african deserve as much then as well as it is in the country like the freedom to express themselves the freedom to move. so all of that is very important and it's a bit past economy. yes,
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we've heard those narratives. we just need to see how it's going to translate into action. so it's attached to the taliban. but thinking of the people of afghanistan right now, he may well be watching these images. they were assured they would be safe by a shot, connie, who has no less the country. what next for, for the asking people, especially those women and girls who might worry, that they might not be able to go back to school and go back to work. the 1st test is to see and the turn them on are actually amenable. ready to a political settlement that include that is increasing and that is broad base. if they are, then that is the beginning of its flexibility and compromise that they control on other areas such as women's rights and girls going to school and universities did
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come out in the past few days in different provinces or funding. and also in college, the girls can go to school and they can go to higher, higher education or institution. they can work, women can work, they have said it, but we now need that, as i said, to be translated into policy. but the 1st challenge is going to be how to create this transition period is going to be a purely carnival period, or is it going to be a broad based power sharing arrangement that others can also feel they are auto. and if you thought about are smart and they have learned lessons of history, i think that would be a better start having a broad base inclusive system rather than the rigid calling on. okay, great, so get your thoughts. thank you so much for joining us here on the i'll just even use my son. i was former african ambassador and advisor to talk position of the of to thank you very much and deeds. well, let's bring in our tomato again,
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sir james bay's night. he was reporting from cobble until last week, jones's night from un headquarters in new york. we'll talk about here, and just a moment, james, but are years, are still being shown these, these images from inside the presidential palace in carpool. these are arresting images. are there not? i mean for someone like me who's been reporting for from afghanistan for 20 years now. i was there before the taliban fell in 2001 before the american special forces arrived on the ground in afghanistan and just one reaction. wow. i mean to see the taliban and these are actually fighting taliban, the not tell about leadership. these are fight taliban fighters there in the president. so powerless, sitting in the president's desk,
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some of them lounging elsewhere in the office in the arm chairs where president gunny used to meet all the world leaders and dignitaries. these are amazing scenes on told elsewhere in cobble elsewhere outside the presidential palace. they will now flying the taliban flag. this is happened so fast as you say. i was in. i've got a stone just 8 days ago. i certainly wouldn't have left if i 2 things were going to move this fast. and it is really quite amazing after the whole 20 year investment of the west in afghanistan, just the u. s. alone spent a $144000000.00. that's from a u. s. government report in afghanistan. and for wat, they'll be questions asked about the failures here. forget about whether it was right or wrong to withdraw the us troops the way it was done. was there a massive intelligence failure? did they, us not predict the taliban would move so forth. was there
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a massive military failure? because remember the u. s. military trained the african forces? what did they not understand about that? i think it was the psychological blow of the announcement to the pull out the fact the government had made no preparations for the pull out the fact the u. s. system with the guns. effectively the u. s. military where the officers and the africans with the soldiers. when the officers pulled out, the soldiers didn't know what to do. i also think the u. s. was still looking at a map of afghanistan that was made up of provinces and districts. and of course the taliban were looking at a tribal map and speaking to all the key tribal players and getting them to, to change sides and lawfully what a diplomatic failure all those talks in doha, the u. s. strategy in those talks proved i think, to be not the right strategy at all. they took the taliban on trust. tell of on once they pulled out their forces would negotiate with,
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with the african government that they come up with a unity government. i don't think that president trump restart does negotiations. all president biden was perhaps following the words that we used to hear from ronald reagan that russian program he used to. he used to was site trust, but verify will corey for the vasic fall, i will be felt foreign. why age? you had the us fax, you see fancy blinking on the american television earlier claiming that the commonplace. absolutely. everything they had to this was not a failure of any shape or for may be interesting to see if you'd stand by those remarks. given the scenes that were broadcasting here on al jazeera, just in terms of where the un funds on this james. we understand that the un security can so are likely to be meeting to discuss this. it looks like they're going to have an awful lot to talk about it sooner. absolutely,
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the situation is moving so fast, there was a call earlier on for a security council meeting. some council members, i think have been slightly dragging their feet because they really don't know what's going on. and they're trying to find more information of exactly what the situation is so that they can have a proper discussion of it. the latest information is the security council meeting just on the 12 hours from now that will be an open meeting. so you can guarantee will be broadcasting it here on now to sierra. and i'm hearing that the representative of the un in cobbled deborah lyons will be briefing. but so will the un secretary general because of the gravity of the situation, the latest word on the ground from the un is they are not evacuating people at this stage. they are not doing any operations though. all un staff confined to that compound means no humanitarian work is going on. they are desperately worried about the security situation. as many of these diplomatic missions which are now scrambling to get the personnel out of afghanistan, remember,
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out of the 50 security council members, 6 of those countries were actually countries that had at some point or other soldiers in afghanistan. and of course, some of them, particularly the u. s, and the u. k. had very large numbers of soldiers in afghanistan. we've seen pictures in the last couple of hours. the french and bastard are already evacuated . the reports that the us ambassador is also now left cobble. we don't have that confirmed at this stage. okay, so the things that we've been very, very fast in feeds, james based falling events lie from the united nations in new york. thank you very much. you never know, james, you may find yourself on a point. in fact, sir, i've got a son at the street, but thank you very much indeed for bringing us that update form new york. let's take you back to carpool, but we're still showing our viewers exclusive pictures from inside the presidential palace were al jazeera has been live inside the
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palace with taliban fighters who have been i have been speaking to your colleagues and i was just here arabic. we have also heard from a certainly a palace official who was handing over the palace control of the palace to those at taliban fighters. rob mcbride's you've been, you've been following developments in afghanistan in kabul. really at all day the day started with the stunning switches. the funding switches diplomats being air list, the dice of the us embassy in kabul. seems reminiscence of those of those the last shot, right aside, gone. i just get something that what we're showing in your years now, robust images that the african flag being taken. don't not as taliban fighters have
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taken, don't the flag over the gun a stun inside the presidential palace. that flag has been rolled up and has been placed on a mantel piece, placed on a mantel piece with a little show and tell from one of our colleagues there. that's the african flag inside the presidential palace has come a day and staggering stuff. roles and other say that they started with the surprising images and the d. n. capital appears to be ending with them issues of similar shocking and surprising quality. that's right. it is incredible. that these 2 things are happening old almost in time to old parallel. if you'd like, we're getting everything that's happening inside the presidential palace and not far away. we're still having the continuing helicopters coming in and out of the u
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. s embassy, as you mentioned, they have been continuing since that since the start today. in fact, since last night. so you could hear that helicopter starting to work on that as continue throughout the day. and that seems to be going on oblivious to what's happening in the presidential pilots, that obviously united states is not oblivious, but it's simply concentrating on this one task. it is getting people from the, from the embassy from the embassy compound over to how may cause i international airport to the parts of the apple, which we'd love to be cut off from, from the outside world. and the us would like to keep it that way. people on planes in getting them out rover. i'm going to cut you off there because we have no secure translation there. let's listen in and hear what's going on inside the presidential palace goes to plus 12 when he's having lunch together with the officials. how, what i did, and this is
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a piece of paper of the agenda of what is going to happen during aids in the no show because this is sufficient for now we're using very, very, very, very fast. of course, anyone following events throughout the day, you will have known the things that be moving very fast,
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very unpredictable. we've just been watching and that's one of our colleagues from al jazeera arabic who is inside the presidential palace with those taliban fighters, basically to show and tell for years in our a big a. so after that flag had been taken down in the flag over the ghana, son inside the african presidential palace. we have been show you some of the objects in sites that room. we now have one of the finances on the phone. clearly discussing those monumental events, this is the taliban, of course, very few years. just joining us who are inside the presidential palace in kabul. one of the officials of the palace has officially handed the palace over to those
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taliban faces. there's a lot of chaos and confusion going on right now, but certainly those faces are, are taking our colleague camera going through the palace, adding diet and some stairs rope. you're following these images for us as well. we're, we're getting a tour. it would appear if the presidential palace astonishing. drew the very grand building. we're getting the tour of inside the presidential palace. of course, the afghan presidents asha honey no longer there. but he has managed to communicate via facebook, saying that he has fled to he left car. bu rather to avoid the blood sheds. how do you think that message will be received by the people of car boulogne,
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the people of afghanistan who were assured by him? yeah, i mean we were already getting that reaction to astra departure. i mean, we're getting and it's, it is not very complimentary. i mean, dr. a dollar, a dollar seemed largely, it's his adversary in the afghan government. he said that that's gonna be left to people in a bad position. god will make him accountable with the ultimately we'll judge him. it seems we had the defense minister of god. he's government saying that he tides the hands behind the back of the people and sold the homeland. that is not very complimentary. so they, they were already having some reaction to gandhi's departure. if i just wanted to point to one thing that james base said earlier about the un compounds are being locked down un people to is told to stay in doors. the un was, we've reported quite a bit over the past week or so is desperate to try to put into place various
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humanitarian programs and get out there and do its job. but it can only do that when it has a certain level of stability. well, you know, that is now this taliban administration, whatever it looks like because it seems as though they have, by hook or by crook they have inherited power here that is now on them to achieve it's up to then to achieve stability. also, you know, they also now own this humanitarian problem, which arguably they have helped to contribute to well, the thousands of people who have been pouring into cobble trying to escape fighting in other parts of the country. so that also comes with taking power with it's not just taking down the flag, it's putting up your own flag and then taking on the responsibilities that go along with that. ok, well, mcbride, they're following up continuing coverage. thank you very much. deeds were staying with this live feed from the, from the presidential palace in the car bull were walking through the gardens of
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the palace. let's speak now and get some analysis on this for a sunday or mir senior experience of the i just say since the sheet of piece piece of the specialist all i've got to stand. you're watching these images with us. we see the taliban moving through the presidential palace looks like a heading. i cite be interesting to see whether the taliban flog or the flag of afghanistan remains above the building. will keep an eye out for that. i can, i just start by getting your reaction to this this, this put, did you are getting the exclusive what it is like on it? it is stunning in many ways and to meet indicates 2 things. one, it signifies that the taliban have forcibly taken over a gun. it's done. this is something that the international community told the
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taliban not to do and yet they haven't done it. and with that, i think you know the silly funds that collapse up the u. s. back of gone republic, it had been collapsing over the last week or so. the other one had been taking all the steady duty. but didn't these, these images that you're showing that the taliban product inside the presidential palace called the ard? you know, this is extremely significant. and he puts a face to the taliban stake over franchising because things have been very, very swiftly indeed. we appear to have lost that speed. we're back inside or just showing you again. or if you are following this, i just show you again those pictures for the taliban fighters behind the desk of the presidential palace. it's interesting because when that they started and reports in mars that the taliban were outside the city walls. and they were told by the leadership,
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they will not enter the city. we want to be sure people will be giving, haven't talks to, to try and the go see it's a hand over a power or such and such they're inside the city walls and they didn't really, they didn't say buying. there was the excuse given that the they were there to provide security, but i mean, they don't do they need to secure the presidential palace what? what does the same, what, what can we conclusions? can we draw all of the statements the taliban are making, given the situation is changing so fast that amongst that defeat behavior has not been in think would bid with their public statements for the last few months. now the taliban have been saying that they that they're not looking for a military solution that they're interested in negotiations, but they're not negotiated in earnest. and instead they have mounted miller. do you offend, which is which now they've taken the presidential palace. so i, you know,
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i have a hard time believing a lot of the taliban put out which makes me they skeptical about about the future when they talk about great time. i'm extremely concerned. and now the international community has a major challenge at hand. i think ensuring a qualitative agreement as, as some politician political leaders, you've gone to public claiming, or case appear to be hoping for. dec looks highly, highly suspect. in addition, they're concerned about rights, bit of concerns related to international terrorism that still have a strong, a line to relationship with radius to how this groups. and finally, i think the international community has to reckon with the reality of recognizing taliban government or not. you know, i hear that that going to be a meeting at the un answer this question is going to come up whether to recognize
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this government, we have been fortunate of been imposed in the country. and where do you think international partners will go? where do you think the us will recognize the hell of a legitimately to ship of afghanistan? do you think taliban will soon have a seat for you? and i mean, i, i heard you visualize this playing aids because the president's the president people voted for. he left the country. he's gone, he says on facebook, and he's done this in order to avoid bloodshed. it seems like the foreign embassies are leaving that as well. they are keen to avoid bloodshed as well. it would appear . so if the taliban or the legitimate leadership, do you think they will get what comes with will we start seeing the taliban being received by the foreign nations?
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the u. s. u. s. foreign policy establishment is 13 shots. the by den administration appears to have been checked into the court. i think they were hoping for what some officials had referred to as a decent in between the us exiting, pulling out of con, it's done in the collapse of the republic. clearly, they didn't get that the opposite has happened even before the us to draw this complete. and i didn't. so the administration appears to be indifferent. it's trying to balance. it says, you know, i may be needing these new developments. on the other hand, there are some international actors who are fairly amenable to do that. and obviously pockets on has a long standing relationship with the taliban and remains forming the corner of the other one. but then countries, they could russia, they have, they have backed the taliban, few years. china has also opened up to the top of it on also has a relationship. so creating international consensus would be challenging. ok, well,
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something we will have to keep an eye on as things and full. thank you very much. indeed. we are out of time here. found your mir joining us for the us. we're going to wrap up our coverage here in doha. how did overnights, my colleague murray, i'm in the mossey in london where we will continue to bring you exclusive, continuing coverage of the taliban. a takeover of afghanistan. keep it here on al jazeera. hello i, mariam noisy and london. you're watching al jazeera and i'll continuing coverage of the conflict in afghanistan. images that we've been seeing exclusive to al jazeera from carbo, where it is now 11 pm. and in the past hour we've been seeing these pictures of
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taliban fighters inside the presidential palace in the african capital. obviously this was the place once.

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