Skip to main content

tv   [untitled]    August 15, 2021 10:00pm-10:31pm AST

10:00 pm
a ship. so creating international consensus would be challenging. ok, well, something we will have to keep an eye on as things and full. thank you very much. indeed. we are out of time here. i found your mir joining us for the us. we're going to wrap up our coverage here in doha 100 overnights, my colleague murray, i'm in the mazda in london where we will continue to bring you exclusive, continuing coverage of the taliban. a takeover of afghanistan. keep it here on al jazeera. hello, i'm sorry, i'm noisy, and on the and you're watching al jazeera and al, continuing coverage of the conflict in afghanistan. images that we've been seeing exclusive to al jazeera from carbo, where it is now 11 pm. and in the past hour,
10:01 pm
we've been seeing these pictures of taliban fighters inside the presidential palace in the african capital. obviously, this was the place once occupied by the west and back government of president, chef lonny. and so these are the pictures that we've been getting in the past couple of hours now. at the present self. he fled the country. we're not quite sure . we're not quite sure where his across is likely to land, but that was just less than 12 hours. after the insurgents said they are back in control of the leave leave is of government a say that they are now a more moderate for so there is a great deal of skepticism and fear in campbell. but really what we've been seeing are remarkable developments of the over the past few days. and really over the past week in africa based on what has been a taliban military campaign,
10:02 pm
unprecedented in the speed and scale where we initially saw them taking rural districts and areas. and then very quickly, we saw a large significant cities and border crossings starting to fall all across the country. and then they reached cobble itself. and now they are inside the presidential palace. it's difficult, difficult when his eyes really the significance of this, it comes 20 years after the us led invasion, drove the taliban out of kabul. and now we see images of them returning to the helm of power in the country after the us led invasion. following the 911 attacks, but of course, that has also been a sense of fear and panic, deepening anxiety among millions of africans, particularly in kabul, which has really enjoyed the commercial democratic economic
10:03 pm
gains of the past 20 years. but now there are many people who fear what the future holds. a particularly for women goals and minority groups. and actually role mcbride is in kabul and join just now rob, just tell us what the mood the atmosphere was like because we've been seeing that a pitches of really people cuing are trying to withdraw money from a tmj organized travel documents to in a rush to leave the country, what's it like now? yeah, this has been an incredible day after what's been an incredible few weeks in the complete transformation of africa. this done, i mean, the day began with the city basically being undersea. your people knew that we were heading in that direction since the fall of all of these provinces, we saw the build up of this momentum as, as the taliban seem to get the support of the various factions, of which there are many in afghanistan,
10:04 pm
we saw them grabbing equipment and brand new humvees and vehicles, we saw them opening up prisons but letting out taliban prisoners who then apparently joined the cause joined by other people who seem to switch side so they get it with david. this has been building and people here in cobble, i've been watching all of this with growing on ease and that it's sort of culminated with the beginning of this sunday looking at the city on the siege. and then report starting to emerge of taliban fight is actually coming into the city itself. and you could sense that kind of a palpable increase in the level of tension. we were out in the streets watching people drawing money out of atm that were empty or trying to get into banks and get money out. i didn't increase the amount of clamor to try to get hold of us dollars and they simply, in most cases were non or people who are going to stores to buy things. suddenly it increased their pay. so we'd increase the whole tension level throughout the day. and gradually into this evening, we have now seen taliban figures and characters out on the streets. whereas we have
10:05 pm
insurance at the start of this sunday that they would hold back. they would not come into cobble itself, but then on the pretext, right or wrong that there was looting going on. and the has been cases of looting in cobble. we see those taliban people on the streets taking over largely the jobs that had been until now done by ordinary policemen. in many cases those policemen simply changing the uniforms for civilian clothes and drifting away. right. and so what about, what about people in cobble now ra, because this is a city with, i mean in some ways people knew that this moment was coming. that had been an expectation that there would be an orderly transfer of power. but that's not happened. that's it. there is a great sense of unease here. i mean, you've talked to many people here and people of a certain age you will have
10:06 pm
a pretty horrific memories of what the taliban was like from the mid ninety's through to the 200-2001. when they were thrown to throw it out, and many people do not want to see return to that. and you'll write that in the intervening 20 years, they have had far more of an international view. you've had the international community of all different organizations, different armies of the world coming here, spending money, signing contracts. you've had all of this interaction with the outside world. and people are very uneasy about the return of the taliban. despite all of the assurances from the taliban, that this is not the taliban of all. that there are guarantees about education for girls about women's rights and so on. there is still still a lot of needs, but i think gradually that has been an acceptance that well, the taliban is back and we have to make due with it. it has caused, as i said, panic. and if people have been able to get out of afghanistan, get hold of
10:07 pm
a passport, we've seen an awful lot of that, a real desperate attempts by people to get out of afghanistan, but then accepted by most people that yes they, they don't have that option. so they have to make the best of it and we'll be talking to people on the streets. they have been speaking to us saying, well maybe it's not that bad. if we have some sort of power sharing agreement or bring them back into government in one form or, or another. but you shows you just how quickly this scenario of change that's all out of date. and that was just people talking to days ago. because of course, there's nobody seemingly for the taliban to share power with they all the power it seems. having said that, if they want to be acceptable to the people here and send the right message and also beyond afghanistan to the international community, it does seem to be incumbent upon them to show their inclusiveness, to show the, the new face of the taliban, that this is not the taliban of old? it is conscious about people's rights. it is sensitive, it is going to be
10:08 pm
a new type of inclusive government. and. and that i think will be the real test that it won't be the old dogma of old. and quite frankly, the cruelty that was associated with it that this is, i knew more acceptable a taliban, but that remains to be seen. and i suppose people will be very distrustful of that anyway, because there will be many afghans who have experience living under the taliban. of course, there is an entirely new generation role that has no memory of that. and so they will not necessarily remember, but then we have these reports over the past few days of the treatment of african in afghans in areas on the taliban control, where girls above the age of 12 not being allowed to go to school, public beatings and execution. so there will be, you know, that a lot of people in the country will simply not believe that this is a group that is capable of change. absolutely,
10:09 pm
it is viewed in different parts of afghanistan, very differently down in the south of afghanistan in kandahar and helmand and the past due hotline da vasquez has done it. is a viewed fog bow differently, for example, than here in far more cosmopolitan accountable. so it is viewed differently and also there are different faces of the taliban. and it's easy when we talk about the taliban to think of one big organization like a big army or a big civil service with different tiers and structures, etc. and it isn't really like that, yes, there is a taliban leadership and commands. but especially as you get down to more localized levels, it is more splintered than there are different groups, etc. so, you know, you have to look at it that what the taliban will do in one part of the country may be different to the taliban in a different, another part of the country. but it does seem to have different faces and you know,
10:10 pm
in other parts of afghanistan, there are reports during the, especially the past few weeks. and months of this increased up surgeon in violence of fighting between it and government forces of various trustees, human rights abuses, war crimes being carried out by some units of the taliban. i mean, that does pay appear to be the telephone evidence of that uploaded onto social media, which many human rights groups international organizations have said should be investigated. and these war crimes should be investigated that the people held to account. i think we're probably going to see a different face of the taliban hearing terrible because of course, this is a fumble, a public stage of these fomo public easily visible to the outside world that it was 20 years ago. thanks to communications and all the rest and so they will, i think there is a sense or an expectation we could of course be wrong with we've been so surprised
10:11 pm
by what's taken thus far. but there is an expectation that they will be acting differently. they will be behaving if you like, because they will realize that this is more of a world stage. the world is watching them and seeing what administration they will create. so people here will be watching very closely because of course, they need to try to establish a legitimacy. they need to be believable as a government. because we've already seen that there envoys have been going off to meet with their opposite numbers in moscow or in china to representing themselves as a government that is legitimate, that can be acceptable. so we will probably see every different side of the taliban . but this is early day, this is if you like, day one when they are inside the presidential palace, parading the flag and so on. it remains to be see what happens when we have day to monday. the sun comes up and see what happens with this new administration and how
10:12 pm
it goes forward. thank you so much. rob mcbride, bring us all the nations from carbon. appreciate rob, thank you. well, our diplomatic editor, james bayes is united nations and joined us now and james guy just pick up on the point that rob was making there about how closely the world is watching. what has happened in the, the speed of the taliban advance in afghanistan, in many people, what does this mean for the united states? it looks as though you know, after the world's most powerful military invaded the country. 20 years later, the taliban pop didn't have to take control. in some ways it was handed to them because of the way in which that withdrawal was carried out. this i think is going to be a big blow to the power and prestige of the united states. i don't think you can really look at this despite secretary blinking saying that their operation in afghanistan last 20 years was a success. there's no other way seeing this is
10:13 pm
a catastrophic foreign policy failure. i think it was a failure on a number of fronts put aside whether they should have left. i've got a storm the way they left afghanistan was afraid to, i think on the intelligence front, unless there was a semester pass to president connie, sorry that to 2 person biden. that he completely ignored. it seems to see i did not predict that the taliban would do anything at this speed on the military front. clearly a failure because of all the money that was spent by the us. an estimate of $144000000000.00 in a recent government report. lots of that money was on the us training the african military . i think one of the problems there is that they created a system where they worked hand in hand. and in some ways, the us military were like the offices and the african military were like the soldiers when you removed the u. s. and nato forces, the african military couldn't fight and certainly didn't want to fight because the
10:14 pm
psychological blow of the us pulling out, which i think even in the pentagon, they had not really expected president biden, to follow through all. and i think the u. s. also were looking at a map of afghanistan, which had provinces and districts on it. the taliban looked at a map that had the tribal divisions about, got has started on it and they managed to work those tribes. they managed to find the right power brokers so that they were able to take province off the province. and in many cases, there wasn't much of a fight. and i think the last real failing for the united states. and they did all this really without consulting many of their allies, with the diplomatic failing on my side who led the talks in doha afghan. born veteran us matt. but he seemed to take everything from the taliban on trust. they said they pull out their troops, they do that a bit. and then the taliban had to come to a negotiation with the afghan government. well there was no negotiation. the the
10:15 pm
taliban themselves have taken control enough going to stone. so i think that's gonna be some serious soul searching in the us. and i think beyond the u. s. among the other countries that are involved in afghanistan, particularly the nato nations. what is the reaction of the international community likely to be because it seems as though, while this could have been predicted to some extent, it has come as a bit of a shock. it's come as a major shock. i don't think they expected things to move this fast. i don't think any of us expected things to move this fast. and frankly, i suspect some of the taliban didn't expect this to move as fast as it did. it's taken everyone by surprise, certainly here at un headquarters. the secretary general has been working. the phones are told that one of the p people he spoke to was the u. k. prime minister for his johnson. in recent hours, we understand that there's going to be a security council meeting,
10:16 pm
but 11 hours from now to discuss the latest. i understand that the un secretary general antonio terrace will be briefing the security council. an open session will be covering that live on. ouch is era giving the latest information? i think about what's going on on the ground. i'm told the un not of actuating people at this stage. they, although confining everyone to the bases, they're not letting anyone go out. there's no un humanitarian work or any other work on the way at the moment. they are so desperately worried about the security situation and it remains a very fluid situation. it seems to taliban have total control of but things can change very rapidly in these sorts of situations. and certainly from my time, just 8 days ago, enough chemist on people were very worried about what would happen in the final hours of a military takeover. whether there be a power vacuum and not just about what the taliban might do, but what that what could be going on with regard to looters and criminals and
10:17 pm
others? it's still very fluid. there isn't at thank you. thank you very much. i diplomatic editor james base at united nations with her own raheem, me as assistant professor of law at the american university of atlantis. donnie joins this via skype. from istanbul, i mean, obviously you are, are afghan, and there will be a mixture of emotions that you are feeling right now. does it look as though the taliban has has won the war? absolutely. earlier when we started day i was hoping for a different outcome. i was hoping there would be an interim set up that will be somewhat neutral. and that could actually facilitate some sort of per open process that would lead to an inclusive of political system in the future. were different constituencies enough on a sun would be to present that. so we could have a limit political system that everyone feel because they, they thought themselves and they felt included there. and we could avoid another
10:18 pm
round, the insurgency, violence and destruction, but event did not turn out like that. the worst case scenario that i discussed hope and hope it wouldn't happen. happened. tunnel button took over a couple of minutes. really. there been a lot of chaos hope. there is no report of urban warfare. it was apparent they haven't seen anything of resisting on resistance against and on. so that's some relief. but the couple is still remain far from being safe. as i said, this is fluid. chaos, a lot of people afraid and critically speaking, taliban that said that they would not seek and trim government. it would be transitioned directly to the emergence which is basically you re establishing the old rule and which we used to be exclusive. meaning, it did not include anyone who disagree with them quickly and it used to be a process. i don't know if this might, will be different. that is not
10:19 pm
a lot of indication in terms of how they handle dealing with the non tolerable elements. and to tell about elements so far, it seems like they are not open to compromise the actions, even though the words say they want to include government. but it seems like it's like their definition of a wanting chevy, a law which me, which is that we get to define what is other callers, other people voices would not be counted. it seems like the top inclusive government is towards that direction. they talk about inclusivity, but they will be the one that says who's, who's out what is inclusive and whatnot. and for now they hold all the cards. the only leverage left is the international legitimacy and it is not known how much they care about that. but it is the only leverage and that's why it's important that you and than others, countries, especially countries in the region to take the unified and us and pressure tele bond taller bond that they have to have. it includes a government, they have to allow other funds to participate under the agree would call upon on
10:20 pm
many issues, but they should be part of the political system. can i, can i ask you harder and, you know, the initial plan had been that had been for that to be some sort of transition of power that would prevent any white scale destruction of casualties, particularly in kabul, which is a busy city. now it looks as though at least they have gone in, and that scenario hasn't played out, but the plan has disintegrated. so what are we waiting for now? it's just the re and position of the, the emerald. i mean, really, these images have been saved from the, the presidential polish palace made nothing more needs to be said that in itself is a declaration of victory. and now all that remains to be seen is how they are going to govern. what do you expect to hear from the taliban? i mean, you said it seems all the indications suggest that they're going to be re in position
10:21 pm
of what it's going to be like this time. i don't know. there is going to be a lot of questions on my mind. one question is will actually remain a cohesive group so far. they have acted paid as a decentralized movement that was there actually sort of success. a lot of members were socialized. i mean, they were capitalizing on the mattress or culture. and so there was all the assured culture that they drew upon. and, but a lot of the fighters were socialized, the but they could, could act independently. they were like, obviously commands coming in, but they did not really have to wait for a command or to do specific things. it was very decentralized. and that's why, but, but one thing explains why we fear different reports of different type of treatments in different places like the pictures next. now, if they are going to be the government, they're going to 1st of all, to hopefully won't set up a system where it would require a uniform enforcement of rules. the statement that may have to will have to make
10:22 pm
pronouncements on matters of policy, education, woman rights and, and such. and then do will be able to see what i am going to be you and lamented uniformly or not. but also remember that they were able to keep, but have been able to hold contradictory views because they will not the governing course. they could say one interaction is going to see we want in position. we want the understanding of it. and that we think that if you had to go into details of how it's going to work out there would have to be a tradeoff being made. they would have to be in a lot of kind of reconsideration of many of the telephone position. they avoid that because they were not in charge. now they are in charge. they had to make tradeoff . that's going to make some tolerable, unhappy, o, o, apologies that we'll get back to our under hey, me, a bit later. really providing some excellent analysis there about the, the nature of the taliban movement. saying the key question now is whether they
10:23 pm
will hold together as a cohesive group. and that is, that is the thing about the taliban is that on the one hand they, they do take little, they will follow orders from specific leaders. but on the other hand, it's also decentralized and individual governors appointed in various places in the country are essentially, are able to govern and make their own decisions with the, with the approval of the senior leadership. and the question now is how they are going to govern these images, exclusive algae, there images from the presidential palace in campbell, this officer president shavani fled the country. and there is a widespread evacuation of staff from west and foreign embassies, but on the streets of cobble and right across the country, a sense of fear and panic. among, among many afghans who really want at the end of the day to avoid violence and
10:24 pm
bloodshed, we would just hearing from our correspondent in the field just there. we've been following developments over the past few days and over the past week, in many cases, these districts in the cities felt taliban control. there was no real fight, essentially african forces surrendered. but also because of the complex ethnic, tribal nature of afghan political culture in afghan society. also there were many deals done and people switching sides. and so that the suggestion is that this is something that did require a lot of probably there's a lot of planning, a lot of coordination. and a lot of behind the scenes at efforts on the way before the military assault itself took place, which has now brought the taliban to the capital itself. i do jo castro's in washington and joins us now. any further reaction?
10:25 pm
there heidi, america, we have been watching the white house as this. her situation has developed and has been telling we quiet up until now president biden didn't have any public events schedule this far. we have not seen him addressing the media or released any statements. a white house official though did say that the president and vice president this morning had a conference call with their national security team. all of this happening as washington has been scrambling to keep abreast of these rapid developments at the state department and at the pentagon. the secretary of state antony lincoln addressed the media this morning. now this was before the taliban had enter the presidential palace, but he defended the u. s. evacuation of the embassy and also of the u. s. role in the 20 year war itself. let's take a step back. this is manifestly not saigon. the fact the matter is this, we went to afghanistan 20 years ago with one mission in mind,
10:26 pm
and that was the deal with the people who attacked us on 911. and that mission has been successful. we brought a lot to justice a decade ago. our k to the group that attacked us has been vastly diminished. its capacity to attack us again from afghanistan has been right now, does not exist. and we're going to make sure that we keep in place in the region. the capacity, the forces necessary to see any reemergence of the terrorist threat and to be able to deal with it. so in terms of what we set out to do and f canister and we've done it, i am not at all sure whether members of congress would agree with the secretary's assessment. they were briefed on a conference call with blank and also with lloyd dog with lloyd austin, the secretary of defense, and several republicans have pointed recrimination that the bite administration calling this a catastrophic failure of leadership. now a lot of attention focused on not only evacuating those americans,
10:27 pm
but also the afghans who worked with american forces and also the civil and n g o. leaders who are all fearful as the taliban advances on their positions. and the u. s. including democrats saying that it is the responsibility of the, by the ministration to get out. not only those us citizens, but also those african allies. all right, thank you very much. i did your castro with all the nations from washington. we're going to continue our coverage of the situation unfolding in afghanistan where the taliban have reached the capital. cobble is it exclusive algebra pictures of taliban fighters entering the presidential palace of shavani who has now fled the country. this after a military assault over the past week that has seen the groups sweep the country, make really some unprecedented gains in its strategic cities and provincial capitals. this some 20 years after the us led invasion,
10:28 pm
drove the taliban out of campbell, and after so many billions of dollars are poured into the country. here we see images of the taliban essentially declaring their return to the helm of afghanistan . well, we're going to continue our coverage of that after a quick break. do stay with us. the hello there. we've seen some exceptional heat across southern parts of europe this weekend, especially in the iberian peninsula of spain, may have said, and you all time high in the city of corda, as temperatures rose above 47 degrees celsius. now if that's verified, it will be a new temperature record for spain. but on monday, the temperatures dip down the heat will ease here. but the balkans will continue to
10:29 pm
bake. we have got some red alerts out for areas here in particular, serbia is going to see the temperatures peak up in the high thirty's. and some of those areas around the a drastic sea will continue to see the heat. but further north, it is looking wet and windy. we've got some severe storms rolling across switzerland and into austria. those are going to affect poland and some of those baltic states as we go into tuesday. and we've seen some severe wet weather around the black sea area. now those rains are going to ease as we go into next week. the heat continues across the southern areas of the dust grease. we are going to see the temperature in athens peak up. and as we move across to the north of africa, it's morocco that's going to see those temperatures continue to rise up into the forty's. that's your weather update. the
10:30 pm
long before the covert crisis broke the world was grappling with another global crisis. the climate breakdown, destruction of nature can lead to destruction of people. all hail the lockdown examines links between these 2 crises and asks why it took upon them to bring on changes that should have been made long ago. all these things we've been telling a complete impulse suddenly become connected, the wake up call that can't be ignored on a job. through a shared passions that elephant conservation colleagues have become friends. but with civil war defending famous now protect themselves. escaping deep into the rain forest back to the western world for the elephant surviving the poachers is a lifelong challenge. now to last a revel militia elephant part a witness documentary on out to 0.

23 Views

info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on