still want to see a swift peaceful settlement and i've kind of done and the subsequent stabilization of the country and its post conflict recovery. we convinced that an end to the years long, bloody war and having an actual reconciliation would benefit all the people who don . it's regional neighbors and the world as a whole. thank you. well, we've been listening that to the russian ambassador to the united nations facility, it not been via saying that all eyes our own kabul off to the african liter abandons the capital. and also noted the swiss turnaround in the situation, despite the claims of the armed forces, the foreign armed forces there saying that they had trained the army and but the capital would not fall. he also said there's no point in panicking and claim that a blood spots among civilians has been avoided. but also noted that the international community must help ghana stand to achieve national reconciliation.

james space or it's a plastic editor has been listening into the un security council meeting. james, what do you make of that speech from the russians? what indications is that gave debates what actions they are prepared to take if any well, i think it's very interesting to listen to the russians and in a few minutes to the chinese. because i think in many ways they are the most important countries on the security council right now in terms of what they might do with regard to the taliban. and ultimately whether they're going to recognize the taliban. he didn't go that far. but he said that russia would interact with the tell about what the word he used and he said that taliban had brought back public order. and as you say, no point in panicking because a blood bath has been avoided. so reasonably rigorous justin's there. that's russia thinks the situation is somewhat stabilized,

but not an any indication at this stage of diplomatically what russia will do with regard to the taliban. them when they recognise the taliban was reminding you that when the taliban were the government enough going on the end of the 1900 ninety's and 2000 until 2001 after after 911, they didn't have international diplomatic recognition. they were only recognized by 3 countries by saudi arabia, the united arab emirates, and pakistan. and the un seat stayed with the representative of the old government of afghanistan and not with the taliban. now will that be different this time? i think it depends very much on whether countries like russia and china as big play as members of the the p 5, the 5 permanent members of the security council decide to recognize the taliban this this time around. and what would happen at the un is it would then go to

something called the credentials committee of the general assembly. and then the general assembly itself may vote on whether the taliban actually take the seat in new york. that was russia and china, i believe, are now going to speak. hello, they are indeed. so let's take you back to the security council where we can listen to the chinese representatives to the united nations. sometimes i'm going to start the situation thing i was going to start has on the gum major changes. we have respects the wheel and choices the people of underlying the war in kennesaw has lasted for more than 40 years stopping the war. and the shipping piece is not owning the unanimous desperation of more than 30000000 people. it is also the common expectation of international community and the regional countries don't. the present task at a moment is to restore peace and stability and order as much as possible. so as to avoid unnecessary casualties and landscape refugees,

to the ultimate extent possible. while the rights and interest of diplomatic emissions and personnel is going to invite liberal safety, security, and interest of foreign nationals. thing of this time must be respected and guaranteed and above all parties. now it's going to have the responsibility to protect people's lives and property where they should provide assurance for the safe residence and orderly evacuation of foreign citizens. we have a president who was in china has always maintained that a political solution is the only way out for the kind of time at the present upcoming things. the national prospects are at a story that crossroads in china takes note of what was said by the taliban yesterday. and that was going to start had ended. and that it was negotiates to establish an open, inclusive islamic government. and it was take responsible actions to ensure the safety of citizens and for emissions in the country. to,

shana expect that these commitments will be fulfilled, civil and so as to ensure a smooth transition of the situation. all kinds of terrorism and criminal acts. don't keep the people away from watson chaos, an appeal stair, beautiful homeland. we hope that taliban being off kind of where unite with all parties and has a group saying i was going to start to start to establish abroad and inclusive political structure that suits its national conditions in order to lay the foundation to achieve lasting peace in the country, what's going on in the last 20 years long was terrorist organizations such as some states are kind of gathered and developed and developing countries by posting a serious threat to international and regional piece. them security, you're going to stand must never again become a haven for terrorists. this is the bottom line that must be held firmly for any

future political solution in upcoming time. we hope that the telephone, the off can stand well, honestly live on their commitments and to make a clean break with the terrorist organizations. all countries should fulfill their obligations accordance with the international law. and the security council resolutions worked with each other in competing terrorism in august forms and manifestations and take resident actions and to prevent terrorist organizations such as islamic state. ok, i don't need him from taking advantage of those as we speak, the humanitarian situation of every time human as having assistance in potomac, prevention and control are under pressure. the international community should go up human to 10 resistance to upcoming time and its neighbors that have received a large number of people is pleased to persons from trying to help innovate the original comment have been crazy. on the relevant part, his official ensure that the work of international humanitarian relief agencies can

continue on hindered the international community should also continue to kind of start to neighbors, to control the pandemic customer as possible. the president comes and the cows currently kind of tax directly related to the hasty withdraw foreign troops. one would rather than the countries should earnestly deliver the commitments to support peace, reconciliation and reconstruction. and i've gone this time and play a constructive role on issue of a friend staying on the basis of respect and leadership of the site and relevant efforts of the neighboring countries. and in the political security development, communitarian and anti narcotics felt constructive persistence to upcoming time should be provided on continuing basis. that will go a few countries afield. council members setting their statements that they wish to see that greater roles played by africans, neighbors and nearest countries. we learned that some regional countries and

africans neighbors had made requests to participate in today's today's meeting. it is regrettable that they request, we're not granted for a long time. you know, my mission, which has play to the important role in supporting the peaceful reconstruction of a kind of given the current situation on the ground. that house conduct on major changes. we hope that the secret general will make proper benjamins to ensure the safety of personnel the mission. we also look forward to the secret general presenting, practical and actionable views and recommendations with secret council as soon as possible and future your presence in time. thank you, mr. president ok, we've been listening there to the gun swung the p t, i believe the deputy ambassador to the un form of china. he noted that the chaos were seeing in afghanistan is directly related to the hasty withdrawal of foreign troops. but he also lead times some red lines. they're saying that right,

since that plastic personnel are in, via a la beau. but said that they take notes of the talent statements of the wars ended and they expect commitments to be met. let's head back to james bay's at the un james, what did she make that statement from the chinese? another crucial player in this scenario. yeah, and i think they're positioning yourself in a city. it's pretty similar place as russia, they're making shops at the u. s. as you say, talking about the hasty withdrawal, the foreign troops being the reason that we've seen the scenes of chaos in cobble. but then saying we respect the willing choices of the african people, some, some warnings to tell them on the things that they must do. but i think that's a possibility, and remember we've seen delegations of the taliban going to both moscow and to

beijing in recent months. i think there's a possibility. those 2 countries are likely down the line to recognise the taliban government in kabul. now, also worth noting that he said that he was disappointed that the neighbors that are going on weren't allowed to speak at this meeting. well, that's a decision that's mainly made by the president of the council. you've seen the president, the counsel speaking right now in india and india restricted this to us to a smaller grouping. and that meant, of course, that one of the neighbors which is got a very difficult relationship with india, pakistan couldn't speak. and it's worth telling you when this meeting is ens. although focused on doesn't get us to speak in the, in the council chamber outside the council chamber, the park stone and buster has told us he's going to come and speak to reporters. so pakistan still wants to get his word on this day. and thank you to be very interesting to hear what pakistan has to say given their relationship with

afghanistan. and of course the parties in that country at james based. so i will let you get back to that security council meeting, which is ongoing. but for now, thank you very much. indeed, we are going to stay with the analysis of this. now let's bring in a david, it's a wrote, she's a professor at the national defense university and also a former nato operations director at the joint chiefs of staff join us by skype from washington. d. c. me are very grateful to you for joining us on this l. just the news you've been following the security council meeting over here and quite pragmatic statements that from russia, the chinese, and a somewhat bland statement from the us ambassador to the united nations. i wonder what your take is and what we've been hearing. well, i think that everybody's hedging. the bottom line is nobody really knows what they're dealing with. the taliban that was last in power was basically a medieval cult that didn't respect much in the way of international norms. and

people don't want to see that again. i think people are hoping that the taliban has somewhat reformed that it will act, you know, with like in a respect for diplomatic missions that it won't serve as a base for terrorist movements to destabilize other parts of the world. the chinese are very concerned about their ongoing campaign in eastern or rather in western china, that the u. s. companies characterized this genocide of a muslim pop population. the russians have issues with their muslim population. they don't want to see afghanistan turn into a sanctuary for those attacks. and when the united states don't want to see another 911 like attack, i'm out of afghanistan. but right now, i think people are being cautious because they're trying to ensure the safety of their nationals. they don't want to see a hostage situation, and they don't want to see the un become subject to a hostage situation. afghanistan. so i think you're going to see a lot of careful language for the next few weeks until it becomes apparent what

we're dealing with. and until quite frankly, these countries get all of their nationals outside of africa. we didn't see some quite careful language though. before we cable never were listening to the irish ambassador to the united nations, he did not mean her words. she was very strident, almost saying that the taliban is telling the international community water won't stay here, but that won't war. should we have heard people saying there are reports. a to taliban going door to door, knocking on doors, trying to rise up people. how long do you think it will think? until we see a shift in tone here because people are being cautious at this meeting but also being realistic. they know who they're dealing with. yeah, good question. so i think that if you spoke to any of these, diplomats privately, their private views, pretty much closer to the irish masters than what we heard. but, you know, as i said, you know, while people are still evacuating their nationals and trying to protect their own

citizens and infrastructure within afghanistan, they have to hedge their words. but, you know, i haven't seen any indication that the taliban is changed from, you know, what we were dealing with in 2002 where they were, you know, throwing acid or girls because they were learning how to read. you know, there's no indication of any change and there will be misbehavior because it's a very loose organization. so some of the humanitarian shipments being held up, quite frankly, it's not a taliban decision. it's the local commander of the taliban who wants you know, a piece of the action. we're going to see a lot of chaos. but i think that within 2 weeks, you know, what you'll see is the central services starting to break down. you know, taliban is not used to government, they won't be able to pay civil service, they won't be able to keep hospitals. man, then you're going to start to see a crisis. garcia course development there. and yes, you're right. i've seen videos of people executed in kandahar this is going to go on around the country. there will be outrageous and women will suffer the most. yes

. and it's saying that was another point raised by a few ambassadors there will happen to the women and children of afghanistan. i just want to ask you the message you served in afghanistan. i understand you were awarded a bronze star for your service as a form american servicemen who's been in the country hearing the russian ambassador and the chinese ambassadors taking pot shots, laying the blame for the chaos that were seeing the distressing chaos. it has to be said that we are seeing on our television screens coming out of afghanistan. what's your reaction to the way this is being handled? because it looks to observers like the united states is cutting and running and leaving the people of afghanistan to their fates. given all the life the american lives loss. do you think it's been worth it? well, was a good question. i think in retrospect it the hard to argue it was worth it. you

know, it really depends on the taliban. if it, if we go back to where we were before 911, then i would argue it probably wasn't. but look, there were 20 years during which the afghans had relative prosperity. they had a social transformation. they hadn't infrastructural transformation. if the taliban is an asian camera rouge and they're determined to return to the 9th century, then obviously it won't be. but there is a possibility that you did have a profound social structure. and that the taliban will be something like a burma you know, sort of a warily engaged regime that operates on the margins of acceptable international behavior. but, you know, i mean there's no doubt that this was mishandled. and i think it's understandable that there's a lot of shot in troy on behalf of, you know, all countries you don't wish to know. well. and right now, most people, you know, they say whether they agreed to stay in afghanistan relieved afghanistan. it's hard to argue that the way the bite administration ordered and handled this withdrawal

was a disaster. i don't think anybody can argue that it was done right. okay, well, there are reports in us media that the president, the president will address the issue. he will be speaking, i understand from us media reports rooms i'll just try and get the time conversion, right. but we'll, we'll wait to hear what the us present have to say at least on the brightens at 1945 at g and c. but let's stay with our coverage of what's happening now. the boston representing afghan, histones i go in. government said it was hard to believe the taliban would deliver on its pledges. here's what he had to say earlier. we're extremely concerned about parliament's, not honoring the promises and commitments made in their statements adore her. and how that international fora. we witness time and again how taliban have broken, their promise has been commitments in the past. we have seen gruesome images of

parliament massey executions of military personnel and target killing of civilians in kandahar and other big cities. mister president, we cannot allow this to happen in cobbled and seen some cannibal air forward to showing the desperate lin. people are willing to go see to get ice off afghan. a stone video from the airport shows crowds running along side attack. seen us military aircraft, some even clinging to the sides. of course, you can imagine what happened next. so commercial flights have been cancelled. well, on the streets of the capital lawn, taliban fighters are becoming a regular sites. prop bryce has this report from campbell, the city of cobble has experience so much upheaval for decades. and this is another change to get used to. and one that's far from easy to go. most of all of our

customers cuz most of the got the situation for now. it's not, no one can say what's all the people just lost and confused in the space of one romantic day life on the streets feels completely different. this is one of the most obvious signs of the transformation that taken place in literally overnight. the whole of the center of cobbled is protected by these 45 checkpoint concrete blocks, various normally god carrying automatic weapons and armor humvees with heavy machine guns. on this morning. nothing people have been getting used to the novelty of a new force in charge. the subject of intense curiosity. as taliban take up checkpoint, duties on the roads of a child to know yet i don't know the law whatsoever used to fear us. they have now seen them. would you d and we are from the soil. i don't want to get down to be destroyed,

but there's widespread nervousness about what this view taliban rule will look like . on. many businesses and shops remain closed that the raw signs of life returning to normal. and you heard about this piece, then everyone will benefit the businesses of the workers. there are deep rooted fears about the erosion of basic frights, in particular for women and girls, despite assurances from the taliban and about a return to cruel punishment for certain crimes. but many still remember life unto the previous taliban government being at least crime free for the most part of the vote on me was evil. with every where he will be. nobody's kid will be kidnapped again for random. if you will, with a sudden collapse of the afghan government, the people of cobble, the new leaders have been thrown together faster than any had expected. now get together that feeling that way forward into the new reality. i will let you get

more now from rob mcbride. he joins us live from carpool enrolled package that you filed for us, gets is offensive the view on the street. but many of our viewers will still be horrified at the image is coming eyes of kabul, airports earlier in the day. very, very distressing pictures. is there any idea what the situation is like now? that's right, it really is a contrast while we have relative time on the streets of cobble just over here just over to the other side of where we are towards the airport scenes of. 2 absolute chaos, and also very tragic scenes. the apple is still thronged with all of these people desperate to leave. many of them we understand. we do know in fact, the perfectly ticketed to have the ticket, the passports ready that they've been planning this exit for some time. and of course, they have no aircraft to take them. and along with them, of course, hundreds if not thousands of people who are simply just desperate to get any kind

of seat on an aircraft out of here. and they could well be connected that to the us administration, the u. s. military or another nato, me and believe they could be targeted for reprisal. but anyway, to whatever reason, there was an awful lot of desperation in that airport at to leave. cobble a fact as the we were getting into the hours of doc this, here was the light was fading. we started to hit quite a few burst of gunfire. the single shots, or sporadic automatic gunfire coming from the direction of either the airport to the airport road. now we know that the taliban as a way of trying to control the situation, has tried to put a barrier to stop more people getting into the terminal. they have been using bursts of gun fire into the air to try to get people to stay away. there has also been bus to come by from the us contingent to very large us contingent, which is inside the airport. organizing can continue to organize this withdrawal.

the evacuation of apple, the embassy stuff, families, also other us citizens. in fact, we've had confirmation from the pentagon in washington that nearly a burst of gunfire, a confrontation, it seems with us soldiers did result in us soldiers shooting that. what the pentagon says were 2 men. no other sources of confirmed to us that these were in fact taliban fighters. and yes, another source has told us that these 2 taliban were actually helping control the crowds on the side of this mella. now it's always difficult to get to the, the bottom of exactly what is happening, but, you know, as long as we have this continuing situation where you have a large us contingency inside the airport at a tyler band continued heavily. and between them, this very volatile crowd of hundreds, if not thousands of people, then there is always the potential for something like this to occur for even more

serious classes to occur. so it is an ongoing situation. and we know, as we got into this evening that there are still hundreds, if not thousands of people in the terminal and also spread out across the roadway. and also on the inside the field perimeter. ok, well, for the chaos still rings supreme would appear in parts of cobble at least has there been any progress towards a governments of sorts role to be to be to is there any kind of firm or picture emerging of what a canister is going to luke? like at this time we have been getting some reports during the day that different ministries have been involved in the process of handing over the reins of power of a hand to go. but different administrations in different responsibilities. but it's the total load of this is they've got a, you've got it, you'll are suddenly inheriting the running of a very large country. so there is

a lot to be done and you do get a sense that this is very much a work in progress that the taliban themselves. i think like everybody else it seems were taken by surprise, by the speed of all by which all of this suddenly happened that they suddenly find themselves now, inheriting this country and all of its many myriad problems. so you do get a sense that they are trying to catch up with themselves. also we heard earlier this monday that they was on this 1st day of what is effectively the taliban being in charge and sitting in the seat of power here that they were gonna hold a, a very large news conference that we're going to invite both local media also the large contingent of foreign media that is here in cobble for that 1st full news conference, maybe to map out what that idea is. go moving forward as extensively the new government of this country. and this news conference will whatever reason never

really materialize. so you do get a sense that it is making it up as you go along. almost no. okay, well, we're fortunate to have you there for as trying to decipher some of the best. rub mcbride, though, for now. thank you very much in the, let's take you back to the united nations years will remember the pakistani and busted to the un wilson table to address the security council meeting he's speaking now. let's hear what he has to say are present in you some about and have met with foreign minister and bitter leadership. to day. they have to promise to engage continuously with the taliban. and to try to involve evolve and inclusive of gone government. but his son will work with them and with the taliban representatives to advance this

objective. an objective up an inclusive political government, which is important for durable peace and stability in up conditions. if we had spoken in the council, we would have also informed the counsel of the efforts we are making to facilitate the safe evacuation of diplomats representatives of international organization and others from of boca sons, foreign check. a tree today brief, the diplomatic corps in the some about that the embassy of pakistan in cub all will continue to facilitate weezer's for diplomats and other international personnel whenever needed. arrangements will be made put, issuing with us to such people on arrival. if facilitation center has been set up by our ministry of in, in our ministry of interior to ensure the expeditious processing of visas and other

requirements to enable the smooth and timely evacuation from couple we will try to mount a cds of flights to couple put as soon as conditions allow, in order to continue the evacuation, which we already started earlier today. we have evacuated a number of people from the danish embassy, 421 of the employees of the danish embassy, which we are evacuating from from couple deadly puck. his son has called upon all of con parties, including the man to ensure the preservation of law and order incumbent and elsewhere. immediate priority should be aimed at the maintenance of law and order

and safety and security of all of con civilians, especially women and children. fundamental human rights must be upheld all civilian property and infrastructure must be protected. there must be complete respect for human rights and international humanitarian law. and we support the statement of the secretary general in this who god fortelli, the safety and security of the diplomatic community and premises, as was, as well as un personnel, humanitarian workers, and other international staff is paramount. that is, need to urgently address the humanitarian situation. in contrast, done your nama. we hope will make an evaluation of the humanitarian needs of the african people. we urge the un secretary general to report as soon as possible on the humanitarian needs of congress time. in order to mobilize emergency health,

through and other international agencies, we call an all of con parties to ensure unhindered access and humanitarian aid across upcoming is done, as well as to ensure the safety and security of you in personnel and humanitarian berkus. pakistan will facilitate such operations ladies and gentlemen, apart from these immediate actions, the international community should look head to other steps designed to promote durable peace and stability enough time. the infrastructure destroyed in this long conflict need to be reconstructed, including the transport infrastructure, which can enable up can, is done to serve as a hub for regional trade and commerce. the international community also needs to engage.