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a are one of the top stories here now to 0. the u. s. is temporarily suspended. evacuation like half of the cale cobbles, airport. thousands of people rushed onto atomic. desperate to escape taliban rule. to say they go to government sector general antonio cherish as warned of human rights abuses and mounting violations against women and girls. un security council called for an end to begin the process of forming a new government after taking control of the presidential palace in campbell. a group captured nearly all major cities in the past 10 days. as we wait for us president joe biden to speak this bringing nut, jennifer britain, i really associate professor of public and international says at the university of pittsburgh. she joins us live, my skype from united states. thank you very much for being with us. what,
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what's your expectation of what we can hear? we'll hear from my president biden. i don't expect to hear a major change strategy from president by them. i think he's going to double down on his desire to leave. i've got to start. i don't think we're going to see a major change in that, but perhaps we'll see some efforts to expand these program, expand efforts to get afghans out of the country because of the humanitarian disaster. that's us putting a couple airport. and what do you think? i mean, how damaging politically is it for him to have these things play out in the way that they have in the last couple of days? it's terrific. president biden promised the american people and promised the african people sort of competent withdraw. and we're not seeing that at all right now we're seeing a disaster being played out and many people and many ask and feel absolutely betrayed by what they're seeing. the optics are bad for the people about getting him for the credibility of the united states. and i think
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a lot of americans are very disappointed in what they're saying. what about the situation without having a moment has been calm or relatively common couple just for the 1st day of them being in charge there. what happens, do you think if, if the u. s. struggles to reopen the apple or that is it kind of gauge them to fire fights or whatever between us troops and the taliban just to get control of baffled . so i think what we're seeing is extremely encouraging. i think that the scenes with atalla bonnie, you know, when a very positive things to come out of these negotiations with the taliban over the past several years, is that the united states and the talent seem to know each other very well. and as a consequence of that, they seem to be on the same page in terms of allowing the evacuation to occur. and in terms of allowing the americans to control the airport, this cannot happen without the agreement that the talent. so this is very encouraging to see, to see that the taliban are beginning to, to institute some kind of law and order in the city that that's a bit accommodating to people. it's not very clear what kind of government
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structure they'll put in place. but i think that we should be encouraged by what we're seeing right now. what do you even legacy will be though, essentially, just, i mean, i think we will de already is a fail departure. probably what legacy will be if there's so much to say about this on the one hand, so much as has changed and i'm gonna stand over the past 2 decades. and that's why the tall and have had to moderate. i'm not saying that the all about have moderated their strategy. we don't know how they will governed. it is way too early for us to say, but we can see upon coming into cobble, they are trying to calm people, trying to reassure people, telling people that their rights will be respected. they seem to understand the grievances of people quite well. but the legacy, so i'm the one hand, the legacy of the united states is that much about can, society has been changed. education has many public goods have been provided people's expectations are very different at the different society and it was 20
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years ago. but on the other hand, at these behind catastrophically failed state, a state that betrayed so many people. and i think we see that by the rapid collapse of the state itself so quickly. and it shows that all of the efforts to build the state, we're not very good, but the efforts to build society were quite successful. thank you very much indeed for joining us. thank you. pleasure and all the news today. a tropical storm is heading for haiti is a search for earthquakes. survivors continues more than 1300 people now known to have died in disaster. a number that's expected to rise in wolf report in haiti, it appears death is never too far away. saturday's devastating earthquake has pushed the demand for coffins. and if that weren't enough, haitians are now preparing for another potential disaster. tropical storm
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grace is said to make landfall, bringing with it the risk of flash floods, landslides, and further complicating efforts to find survivor as we are briefing for tropical storm grease that is coming. so we have to have a convention the so we can address the people that are out of fear, the out of their houses and sleep out on the streets. the magnitude 7 point to earthquake has added to the list of crises haitians had been dealing with from gang violence that has affected every aspect of life for many to last month. assassination of president jovan elma week. and of course, the cooper 19 pandemic. here in columbia, an all out effort is underway. as regional nations send desperately needed aid. the scale of damage becomes clear from above. but this is the scene on the ground. stretch your beds and mattresses,
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sprawled among the rubble under the shade of trees. the lack of medical resources is clear with 1000 need of care, doctors are left to treat patients outside hospital wards are overwhelmed with health care workers struggling to cope. haiti's prime minister flew to the sea front town of like high in the nation, south west. an area which had been worst effected by the quake were more room than even on food. when i arrived in the south of the country, we saw the destruction on so many houses on straw to rescue teams or working to find victims and survivors in the rubble. one thing i noticed was the dignity of the people despite the situation. they are affected book resilience, they fight survive on the streets of lake high locals, line up to see their families. but this is far from business. as usual, football fields, sprawled with survivors, forced to shelter the few belongings they have left. well, debbie,
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up at the earth quake, i didn't feel well where the football field our home was destroyed. we can drink the water and many people i stay in here. many here are still traumatized by the 2010 earthquake that killed hundreds of thousands of people near the capital port of france. for many, the only safe place to sleep for now is on the street. but the looming tropical storm brings with it more risk. leading haitians feeling hopeless with no place to go wondering when things will get better feeling wolf al jazeera. he's tried and failed 5 times before, but zambian business tycoon. i kinda hate you. lamer. has finally won the presidency and his 1st speech he's promising to do better than his predecessor. it's lame a bit. edgarland grew in a landslide. you know, as the tough task of living up to his promises. especially regarding the economy car with us as more from new soccer and reason of this is it how we
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appear to have help reduce creative virus infections. health workers reported more than 14000 cases. on sunday and hospitals are running out of space, want to be low reports from manila. the hence have sprung up in hospital grounds all over manila and its surrounding suburbs. patients and their relatives are having to wait under the heat to get into emergency room or dirt days in big ship towards coffee 19 is back with a vengeance. it is pushing hospitals and the philippines to their limit. the philippine general hospital, the country's largest public health institution has stopped accepting don coffee, 19 patients of the problem if we have a lot of non corporate patients who also are filling up our batch. and so that will demand more nurses and doctors to take care of them. so this rapid increase in the number of cobra admissions made us realize that we can serve both the situation at
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the philippine general hospital reflects what the health department has been reporting daily infections afford and 12000 were nearly a week and more people die more than half way through a 2 week lockdown and it's capital region. the philippines continues to see a spike in corbet, 900 cases. but this current wave of the virus isn't limited to manila. elsewhere in the country. the number of infections is rising as well. area we need douglas spam and he lives in ken province. more than 100 kilometers south of manila. his father tested positive for covey 19 before there was even talk up a locked down. yet they say it took the 3 days to find him a hospital that had a bed in one of the hospitals. my dad was just in the parking lot. the hospital staff probably does the job leave the hospital premises and may be try the provincial hospital when we arrived there. the triads,
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dr. surprisingly discouraged us to even try re locked their dudley's father, survived. but had he waited a few more days to be admitted? does we says the story might have turned out differently. but tough experts, warry, the situation could get worse. it seems like it's not slowing down at all in the past when you do a lockdown or a c q, maybe about a week later you'll see some slowing down, but we have not felt that manila streets aren't as empty as one would imagine. during the lockdown. more businesses are allowed to operate and more people are out and about. but health department officials say it could take weeks before the impact of this walk down is spelt the barn to below. i'll just hear manila, iran has it. a record number of daily covered non teen death, just as new restrictions are being imposed. 655 deaths have been reported over the
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past 24 hours with about 41000 new positive cases, all non essential businesses and are closed for a week. and the domestic travel band is in place for 2 weeks. iran has the highest number of kevin 19 cases in the middle east. are returned to our top story and to bring back if she ever tunzia who's in washington dc. so she had, we were expecting to hear from barton present barton any moment now, and he said a lot of flat doesn't do for the way things have panned out in afghanistan. the fundamental decision to withdraw from afghanistan as far as we can tell, remains popular, overwhelmingly popular. so he does have that on his side. but what we've known for weeks is this is ministration was very conscious of. busy yet another american loss, another war loss by america not seeming like a loss so that you know, they,
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they always present it like, oh, we just withdrawing us troops as if it's in a vacuum. they haven't lost another 20 year, 20 year war when a trillion dollars spent. i think works what we're wondering now. the main question will be then how much responsibility he takes for having missed drugs, this withdrawal. so deeply because consistently and these, these take this video tape recording all the video, the v t, as we go over the of the videotapes that will accompany being replayed of him just a few weeks ago saying cobble will not for that's not going to happen. that we're not going to fear rapid spite of the town about none of that proved to be true. and i think it's a real genuine question as to the ministration really believe that they were also bringing members of congress take a look. this is what to expect. we expect how we probably will for perhaps maybe a few weeks months, but then maybe we will be a political settlement before that. so they weren't be that chaos. did they really believe that i get i keep returning to the i got some papers released at the end of 2019, which will be in total memo within the administration by the,
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on the william sector general on reconstruction. and i was in no uncertain terms. i remember the washington post headline, but these are lines administration off the news. rachel had lied to the american people in the world about the progress and reconstruction and the strength of the african security forces. they knew there was no progress being made, but they kept on saying, this is all going to work out. we're going to have this going to be strong security force. we're going to have this amazing infrastructure that those security courses will want to depends. we know from the end tunnel cables, they knew that was not true. so the question has to be, did they believe their own lives or these, these, these very rosy assessments because we knew that this was not the case. we knew that even the speaker, 300000 didn't necessarily mean anything because there are so many ghosts members of the military that this, these were just sort of numbers on a, on a spreadsheet somewhere. and washington. yeah, and a lot of people around me. i don't know how many of the buildings you can see around me, but many of the defense contracting firms that we see are based around here in the white us. they've been very, very, has to be a huge industry. obviously in the u. s. is making most of its money from quote,
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endless war. and of course now we all sing all those people who actually never even wanted perhaps an end the afghan war hooper, quite happy to have a prominent presence in that kind of. so no matter was now coming out the saying, you see joe biden, he mess this up. you never really likes you know, intervention anyway. we were right, but of course what they're not doing is actually giving an alternative plan and broke down the stone that would have led to any semblance of a sense of victory. let learn any kind of withdrawal that didn't look like chaos. but i think what the bite administration is wrestling with was, yes they had, they didn't want to say, going with andrew biden was always against the afghan war to the extent that it, that it played out. but what they were supposedly completely on top off because that's a smart these young kids, you know, jake sullivan, always people, they'd be able to stand the media and social media and everything else was i didn't want to saigon moment. i didn't want to have the appearance of tails and now that how that, how could they have, how could they have misjudged that so terribly or how could they have not realized?
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i think that's the main question, and you have to wonder whether biden and his uncle, joe, sort of, man, i says, look, all right, we got this wrong. now we have to move on, but we still want to leave out, get this done. used to want to leave out and stuff we are leaving. i've got this done, but yes, we got the withdrawal wrong perhaps is out the way he's going to go. so the, as far as the wider plan is concerned, we understand certainly from the sort of leaks we've been getting. but there's not gonna be any regret about withdrawing from afghanistan. that is what the american people wanted. that's why they voted for trump promise that then they're ready for biden. but remember, when biden came in, he said that he had received a plan that donald trump had in place was unworkable. so this was the bible plan from one to the troops out by may buy an extender that because he's the safe pair of hands. he's the foreign policy expert. he's the one, the commander in chief who can do this, an orderly fashion. trump wouldn't have done that. this message is very difficult now for buying to turn around and say, well, you see, we inherited a withdrawal plan from trump and you know what, what can you expect? because the whole point was he took ownership of that by delaying the u. s.
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withdraw till directly 911. so september september the 11th, and then he pushed it back and it was apparently going so terribly well to the end of august. he has to take ownership and doesn't, he will, when he's written and she had on the, on the, in the short term. obviously, it was supposed to be with the rule of the trips and more of them having to go back in and juvenile the, the repatriation at the moment. the airport is closed. how do they get always extra troops in, in order to finish off the, the recreation and so these are the questions and the questions. i mean them, i mean they have to fly in to the go to 200 cars to national airport. the point is that that's why they need the, the, i think the current up $3000.00 troops at the airport itself. now that's why securing that runway. so, keno, so that the other troops get in and then secure the perimeter. but yeah, these are the questions that we have. and of course, what does that mean that if, if now there are still sort of backlog of american citizens who have to leave, what does that mean?
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them all the houses and housings of africans and their families and, and other countries who also need to leave. because clearly the u. s. is taking control of of the airport and that priority is americans that actually was saying or more members of congress now saying they're worried because it appears the bites . administration is still sticking to the plan that they had off processing, special immigrant visas, which takes time and red tape and so on. and within congress, best of the congressman tweeting thing, the constituents in our calling saying forget the red tape, just get people out because it doesn't look like cobble will be a secure place for them in the very, very near future. it's true the taliban as well as we can tell of in di, restrained, and call for now. but how long is that going to love the question. that is, if i have limited resources, limited flights out a couple effort, if i can only hold cobbled airport for a certain amount of time, what does that mean for the afghans? but also we know that there was a report that actually an africa the us general have spoken face to face with a taliban commander. to also guarantees that the airport evacuation would not be
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hindered. so i guess a lot now depends on what taliban, what they feel is good for them. the theory was long that they didn't want such scenes and cobble. they didn't want to arouse the eyes of the united states. they didn't also want to make a big deal of that sleeping in chicago because they would, they would have a long time of building foreign alliances of creating a situation that was different for the last time that i took over cobble. well, clearly it's true that they haven't on mass perhaps as a cobble, but they did want some kind of symbolic and to be the control of cob, by their enemies, they are and cobble. now, how long without restraint, how long without restraint? these are all the questions we'll have to see how by navigates, i've already always does have on the side, there is overwhelming popularity for a withdrawal from afghanistan. but of course, what he's now is seen as, as a commander in chief who has failed. this very important mission she ever comes.
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you've done me. thank you very much. indeed. was your wait for us president or button to speak this bring in jennifer. brick mode has actually associate professor of public and international says that university of pittsburgh, she joins us live by skype from united states. i just wanted to talk you a little bit about the, the situation in terms of the regional plan and the international people who would deal with that with the taliban. we've heard from china they, they say they are ready for quite friendly relations with the taliban. what do you think of the kind of the way it's going to play out in terms of the international kind of movement of other countries trying to get into the vacuum where the u. s. is left quite interesting because the taller bond over the past several years are in a position to have quite good relations with many of the international players like china, like russia. they have been on a diplomatic tour. so it's not like 20 years ago where the telephone was this unknown sort of elusive force. recall we didn't know who little mar was the leader
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of the tyler bond. or there was one photo taken of him. the others that the taliban are traveling all over the world. the taliban leadership has made statements even about weavers and in china and sion. john saying that this is an internal chinese problem that they're not going to interfere in domestic chinese affairs. so we see quite a sophisticated relationship between china and i've got it. i think there's a lot of mutual interest in fighting isis and fighting, definitely fighting forces and national extremist groups that are in afghanistan. i think the question the taliban is whether they are willing to isolate these groups . many of the central asian fighters and ida and some weaker fighters who are in afghanistan. and what about the, the situation at the moment? how do you see it playing out? and this the airport open soon. what's your full cost for? what will happen if i knew i win a nobel prize,
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but i think it does seem that the telephone are sort of waiting and seeing they understand. i think they do understand that society has changed and this is something that really surprised me watching the past several days. is that the messaging from the taliban is really aligned with the grievances and society. that their messaging shows that they understand that people are fed up with corruption. they understand that people want calm, they want peace, they're trying to reassure the population. to me that quite positive, it means that they understand what the problems are. now it's a much bigger question to say that they're going to be able to address them in an adequate way. and in a way that respects people's rights. i think that is a very big question or one that we just don't know. tell me about the, the humanitarian question. i mean, there was a lot of countries have abandoned any idea of a can response ability to protect. there's going to doctrines, to going out the window in future. do you think no country will ever want to get involved in another, however bad it gets to do?
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do you think people just abandon any idea that you if it gets bad, you try and help help you out? i don't think that that is going to stop. i think that there is an international sort of a human desire right to buy many people to help their neighbors. and sometimes we see countries helping their neighbors and countries helping countries. i don't think that that this is going to stop, think we have to learn a lot of lessons from the misadventures in afghanistan. this, this wasn't, you know, a question of humanitarian assistance. this was the question of trying to reconstruct a society and sometimes fantastical ways the international project was large. it was grotesque. it spend a lot of money in ways that i think would often counter productive in the people of afghanistan under new. it understood that even if they supported many of the efforts, i think the corruption that was brought along with it really undermines so much of what was, what with us in international partners we're trying to achieve. but i don't think
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it's we can take the lessons about that we must take the lessons of i got to other countries to understand how not to do things. but i don't think this kills the desire of countries to help one another. and in terms of what went wrong, where do you see the responsibility and is it, i mean, some people point to the trump deal done with the taliban or another say notes about the execution on the bottom of the, of the pull out. what do you think? what do you think the blame lies in terms of how to pan out? there's so much discussion of blame right now and i think this is sort of the wrong question. i think everyone is to blame. quite frankly. there's been malpractice in the afghan intervention for 2 decades. we have seen just expansive efforts to try to build the state to, you know, going back to bon, i think we could point to it to the desire to create this very, very centralized constitution. one of the most centralized in the world. so what you see happening throughout the country are regional leaders who are appointed by
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the center, carefully curated and appointed by the center who had no accountability to people in the communities. so what you saw were military commanders who were serving, who were hand picked by president connie, who had no support from the local population governors who had no support from a local population. so there was a major problem going back to the kind of constitution that was adopted in afghanistan, as i said, one of the most centralized in the world for a country. it is so decentralized that has a history of fragmentation, has a history, a very strong local participation. but none of that, that creativity, that people haven't communities with ever channeled it to the government. i think that was a major failure of the international community to ever try to rectify that or put pressure on the african government to give people more representation at the local level to be that really undermined everything that the international community was trying to achieve. what about the future in terms of the way the telephone deal
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with other parties within afghanistan and clearly the existing government left. but there are still other groups vying for some kind of influence. how do you think about we'll deal with them. so this is a really good question. we see so far we see president cars i has remained, we see doctor of love. it remains in a cobble and it is trying to negotiate with the taliban. i think 20 years ago, we might not see these, these former leaders survive. so the fact that they're there, they're putting a very strong, reassuring statement to many, many african citizens who are worried about the transition. a president cars, i had a video, i think it was yesterday with his young daughters. he brought them out and said he asked the taliban for peace. this was a very moving moment for many afghans to see this. but there are questions about how he will deal with sort of the remnants of the northern alliance. it's important to note that punch your province. the historic home of the northern alliance has
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not fallen to the taliban. i'm in the suit is still there. he's promising to fight, we're not seeing a fight, at least not that i'm seeing reports of right now. maybe the top, it's unclear whether the taller bond will allow this sort of modus vivendi to exist . it's a question we don't know. to tell me about the, the ration ship. but i mean, obviously we've had to, we talked a little bit earlier about the relationships with people like china, russia. what about with the european powers? how difficult is it to for the european powers to try that line between saying, you know, these guys and can become our partners when they've essentially said that they were terrorists and until fairly recently, are they going to be able to recognize taliban? of course, i mean, i don't think if the tyler bond can add here to certain commitments. i don't think that you really has any choice but to recognise them they're going to be recognized by other countries in the region. they're going to be recognized for better or
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worse by the people of afghanistan. so for the past several years, the united states and you and so many partners have been dealing directly with the talent that not to recognize the government when it felt when it collapsed. i think would be problematic, a would be that we can turn into a pariah state again, but that would hurt the people of the country. so i don't think that that would be that is likely given the amount of international recognition that the taliban have already achieved. the question is whether the international community can put leverage on the top about using recognition as a way to get them to adhere to norms, international human rights standards. but i don't think that that the international community, given the way that things have played out have very much leverage to do that right now.
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