to me from a governing party to be opposition. suzanne be gained as the payments from britain in 1964. president edgarland was criticized for human rights to be massive unemployment and corruption, president elect to his lima not to manage expectations. meanings, ambien, want him to do things differently. the, the president elect is promising to turn around the country, fortunes saying it's 5 year term and often will be a new chapter to zambia. now i mean the hill was to see if you will deliver on his promises the. 6 part of us out to. c me on monday, inside, with the headlines on al jazeera, the u. s. has reopen cobble airport off the chaotic themes for the temporary suspension. if evacuation flights. one point many afghans desperate to get out

clung onto the outside of the u. s. transport plane at the taxi to the runway and will fell to the death once it was born. years president joe biden has strongly defended his decision to pull our troops, saying an endless military deployment is no solution. you will say, said that us troops should not be expected to fight when after forces were unwilling to do so themselves. we gave them every tool they could need, repaid their salaries provided for the maintenance of their force. something the tale bod doesn't have tolerable, does not have an air force. we provide a close air support. we gave them every chance to determine their own future. we could not provide them. was the will to fight for that future. some very brave and capable afghans, special forces, units, and soldiers of afghans. dan is unable to mount any real resistance and the tale

bond. now, there is no chance that one year, one more year, 5 more years or 20 more years, the us military boots in the ground would have made any difference. meanwhile, the you unsecure, is a council held another emergency meeting on afghanistan and the secretary general. and so when you get the terrorist called on the taliban to respect human rights, he said he's particularly concerned about reports of the violation of the rights of women and girls. in the news, the u. s. national hurricane center. as warning, hazy could soon be hit with strong winds and flooding as tropical storm grace approaches. as it will hamper rescue efforts as the desperate such a survivors from saturdays magnitude 7.2, quade continues. the death toll has within to more than $1400.00. another 6000 people have been injured and hospitals are overwhelmed cuz he had lights and he

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hello, welcome to the program on kim vanelle. i've gone on is now under the full control of the town, a bomb. it took the armed group less than 10 days to sweep across every province and all the way to the presidential palace in the capital campbell. its leadership says at once peace and an inclusive government that's compatible with islamic law, that many africans are skeptical. observe as a worry down to scenes of panic and desperation that campbell's international airport. on monday, thousands of afghans have been trying to leave the country since the fall of the government a day earlier. but all commercial flights have been canceled until further notice. the telephone tried to reassure people they have nothing to fear. in the us, the rapid fall of the afghan government appeared to come as a surprise for some white house officials. president joe biden is facing criticism for sticking to the plan initiated by his predecessor donald trump. to end the u. s . military mission, the tech, 3 of states and the lincoln insists, washington hasn't changed its goals and have gone to stone. let's take

a step back. this is manifestly not saigon. the fact the matter is this. we went to afghanistan 20 years ago with one mission in mind. and that was the deal with the people who attacked us on 911. and that mission has been successful. we brought a lot to justice a decade ago. our k to the group that attacked us has been vastly diminished. its capacity to attack us again from afghanistan has been right now, does not exist. and we're going to make sure that we keep in place in the region. the capacity the forces necessary to see any re emergence of the terrorist threat and to be able to deal with it. so in terms of what we set out to do and f canister and we've done it, the taliban is holding talks to form recalls and open inclusive islamic government . it's unclear what that will look like, but a spokesman says certain policies have already been agreed. the group says the rights of women will be respected, have access to education, and will be allowed to work as long as they where he job, people will be able to criticize whoever they want media freedoms we tolerated spot

with limits on quote, character assassination. and the taliban says criminal punishments will be decided by the courts will bring in august and just a moment. but 1st robert bride has this update from cobble chaotic and tragic scene . continuing to unfold at cobbles, international laugh, old with thousands of people still desperate to get out of afghanistan. as the taliban secures its control of cobble. all of this began when it was realized that the government here was collapsing. there was a surge of people to ward the airport. they have completely taken over the terminal with many people spilling onto the runway clambering to get onto across the pot. they're also clambering to get onto u. s. military aircraft, as they were attacked. seeing for take off there of also been some clips, tragically of people clinging to wings and then falling to their deaths as the

planes were taking off that has been to some extent a certain amount of order has attempted it being restored with the taliban, putting a cord and around the terminal to stop any more people getting in the us forces. of course, as they continue their evacuation of embassy personnel and other us citizens have their own cotton. but still there are thousands of people between those 2 cordons. desperate to find any flights as the flight or commercial flights at least remain cancelled at this stage in cobble itself as things remain fairly calm and quiet on the streets. but there is a fairly, a real feel about this 1st day of a taliban rule. here with many people, cobble residents coming out for the 1st time to see a taliban fighters now taking over a check points where once there were a soldiers and police who again seem to have disappeared, melted away as the taliban gets to grips with the governing of this country,

but it is fairly surreal with many cobble residents, talking for the 1st time to the the taliban who arrived in the midst here in cobble as they get to grips with this new reality. many of them taking cell fees shaking hands as we move forward. into the unknown as the taliban takes control and we see what this new taliban rule will look like. rub mcbride a couple for inside story. ah. okay, let's bring it out. guests in washington dc, we have ship a condom form, a deputy senior advisor to former president candy, and a former senior advisor to nato. enough, gone on a doha, we have both alarms. i have a founding member of the color bomb and former taliban ambassador to pakistan in new things. won't we have peter galbraith, a former deputy united nation special envoy to have gone to start a variable? welcome to you all. i thought to begin with you. mr. phillips, i,

if you all one of the founding members of the taliban, tell me is this going to be what we see now? is it going to be the taliban role of old or have things changed? has the group changed? i think and i know this is where foster justice i think that we should do this because there are believing to come the notion or not understand me for the carbon before that time fund was coming to pop and yesterday was through the town to buy will not enter to compensate and the negation is coming to go with the taliban in discussing how to come to crop and how to be part of the power in copper and how they wouldn't be coming in into the carbon. but unfortunately,

nearby copper some stuff, some responsible and security problem. that's again, chastity targeted for the to the best care can be from this one. i'm sure some from, from, from the top of the bunch particular sparks because there is no security for the problem. there is no spot the one for about. ok. i think that there are both. there are some how can they are waiting to when they come to the house was supposed to come today, but i didn't know to to okay. i want to

discuss it. sure. sure. with negation. what, what would be the next position of probably about an hour. yeah. okay. we will talk a little bit later in the program about those talks in doha and what a future governance might look like for someone to come to you should be come down . you were an advisor to the former president. i guess i shop gaudy. what's your take on developments? does the taliban have legitimacy? no, not at all. so far. you know, they do have the charge. they do control a lot of the country. but in order to have legitimacy daddy quiet, it avoids an endorsement or whatever you call it from the often people. so for that, i think it's required that immediately taliban have to call for a lawyer agenda. we actually presented this often. people get together and they decide about the future. if i'm going to set this up,

i get the color on how to clean repeatedly, and they're standing on this saying that they're about fighting for power. they're fighting for position. and now they're have to cool because you know, they have all the 200, they have force for troops to lead up on the sun. so now they have to proven action what they have gained. so if even think of this as often, people have to choose elect or vote for carla bon, that's absolutely fine. but for a ton of on, the immediate thing is to have this legitimacy internally, then they can appeal to the global or what does community for their the commission . but 1st, the 1st have to have 1st. 6 mission with the african peoples, and this is immunity needed because there's a back from a policy back about that just to me see redo how, you know, institutions we do have a government that needs to be. meanwhile, we do have diplomatic representations across the globe that they have to be

accountable to somebody and have to be officially the present. the prison thing i've done is, i think about have more to do now. then they were getting all of them. they had to do why they were fighting. ok, peter galbraith. if you accept as chef a condom, posit say that the taliban doesn't have the mfc dash off gone. it has to missy, did the afghan government have judy missy? well, that is the question that and that i think the lack of legitimacy explains why the whole how can government mit, mit, a military collapsed and in a matter. a of days, us ross connie was in office as a result of 2 consecutive massively fraudulent elections by his predecessor harmon cars. i one obtained a 2nd term as a result of a massively fraudulent election. and they, the trouble was that when you come into office by having cropped power,

brokers put you in power. it makes you, it makes it almost impossible to deal with the problem in afghanistan, which was massive corruption. and you can see this in the, in the military where soldiers weren't paid, where they weren't resupplied, where afghans felt that the, the institutions didn't serve them. you know, when the roads were built to allow for subsistence farmers to, to be market farmers. and then a corrupt police would set up checkpoints and basically rob them. so this was the, the larger, larger problem was a lack of legitimacy by the previous government. and frankly, if soldiers weren't willing to defend it, even though they were vastly better armed than the, than the taliban. and more numerous. ok. and also on that, i'd like to come back to you were talking about the way that the taliban has has taken over. often it was able to come through taking over many districts,

seemingly without a fight. but human rights watch says they have also been instances that the taliban has executed soldiers and even civilians who have ties to the african government. what are you hearing? i, i don't know mainly because as far away when i'm in contact with the i. a was given to do something we're happy and something was happening on both sides in this one because you know, i was not was done before and this was punished if i was doing what harm happening. but it's 150 on the picture and they were trying to go higher, but did something wrong enjoy things that have been right about this was

martin nice way. yeah. we have some some i guess the problem. okay, sure. if it came down your family as enough gone this done, you're in washington dc, but your family is there. how are they feeling? how are you feeling? ah, it depends. you know, i do feel very bad because, you know, i'm worried about this safety and security and they punish you. they're not wouldn't mind about security anyway because it wasn't secured before this. but there would you like for my mother who's teaching goes if she can continue teaching that and for my sister who has studied stomach chevy. she's graduate of college in actually i took her didn't paula by the gene to secret school. and now gladly she's a graduate of college, can she continue on work? and my brother, who's that computer scientist, another brother who's an engineer and then other brother result the of the nation

with the kills with this ability knowledge. and beyond that, i think, you know, now i shopped any has gone. there's another another placing, correct. but what about the woman cabinet members? women, parliamentarians, politicians, you know, i know taliban has claimed that they have been changed and i'm looking and observing. i hope it's true and i have seen some signs of changes as well, but they do not have the capacity to replace the one that they do not have invested on woman. you know to have the paula now to come in the face for what so called the . busy g, or whatever you call it, by the fall of me. so i'm afraid if woman's not included or excluded from the political decision making body, especially from the especially from judicial system, then i think we will return back to before 2000 or 2001. so my suggestion and i

think college for the way that the world and asking people to see how much they have changed, how much tolerance do they have against minority again, you know, different ethnicity groups. these are the thing that we still have to observe and see the changes what the fall of on her brain so far. i'm the salon life. what are you hearing from the taliban? this is because this is a big question for a lot of women. will they have access to education and girls? will they be allowed to work? which i'm hearing. i know i hear from the apartment, but they will want me to walk to school and then through just stubby and i'm starting to study and i'm sort through walk through what are the product a to generally go through their job on the, on the algorithm before they would be knocked against one, but i think just condition will change just about the right. so what i'll do

was, you know, run this down there and to do promises and to do a study it's, we're not changing. ok, peter galbraith, we heard earlier from the secretary of state to who said that american interests or objectives rather have been achieved. but this is also been described as a colossal humiliation for the us once you will take well, it's a catastrophic failure. the united states was in afghanistan for 20 years, twice as long as the soviet union. it spend around 2 trillion dollars more than $2300.00 dead. it spent hundreds of billions on the afghan military and police and a programs. and the thing collapsed in days. you know, when the, with my 1st trip to afghanistan was february 14th,

1989 with the major dean. and that was the day the soviets withdrew. the soviet installed regime lasted more than 2 years and even out last, at the soviet union itself. whereas this collapse took place before the americans said, even finished their withdrawal. so. so it's really stunning. and i, i want to say a couple of points. first i feel for shopping condoms, family and the families of my friends who are in cobble. this is a time, a terrible uncertainty. speaking to some today, you know, there are people going door to door calabasas, or maybe just robbers, people dress like cal abad. so it's terrifying. and the other point i want to make is there is the problem of in addition to women and girls, which courses enormous. there is the problem of the how sorrow, who are she? and if you look at the map, that's the part of afghanistan,

the taliban have not taken or not yet taken. and when the tell on were last to power, there were massacres of she, it's something that began to look like genocide. so, and of course, the telephone or a cell teacher, hottie group who abuse she, it's as apostage. so what's going to happen to that community is 15 percent of afghanistan's population. this, this is something that ought to be a major concern to the international community. in addition to the concern about the future of women and girls, ok, you're making your make a very interesting point. i want to put that to you. both alarms i use, i mean, is that something at the international community should be concerned about. 3 this is not the issue of concern. i'm not problem of the station to come in and

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up in your pocket when are some family one to 2 weeks on the going to come in and they are in problem that, that showing you what was what the people from was, what were the people in the for i guess the people there's my security and stability. i think i think this is one of the 4th and then the kids come in all possible to discuss the law. i hear what you're saying, i hear what you're saying. i hear what you're saying. i want to put exactly that to ship condom. because if we look forward and we need to look forward now, the former president, how? because i is forming a coordinating council to, to try and manage a peaceful transfer of power. how do you think that is going to go? what discussions will be being had behind closed doors?

now that's absolutely legitimate. body has no legitimacy and no power and no commission because you know, the, the people and this correlation, the 3 individuals can margaret present up on the sun and off can people. they are also failed leaders, the even they have never, ever truly received the majority. missy odin boseman from boston people. so how they would be able to transfer a power that has no, you know, existence anymore and how they would transfer power to somebody who all the d n power. so i think that's beyond discussion and it's up to the african people to the african nation to decide how they will form their future governments and all of our facilities, as i mentioned before, that's going to be the advantage. sure. but let's not, let's not allow individuals to think and nor to decide on behalf of us can people,

we have experience a master failure of prison gummy, mainly because he tried to, to prevent the nation, but he wasn't through the preventative of the people. so it's all about has to be also careful if they want to get this legitimacy endorsement that have to return to the people and must not include and believe in individuals who have been part of what been, you know, committing and no one. that's why criminals and atrocities. so if again, these people are involved in the form of the government and power, i don't see any difference. and i don't see any reason for all of us to say, hey we, we are here with a change. ok, i, we're it, when they're in the end of the program. peter galbraith allowed to come back to you . do you foresee a future in which the us will form diplomatic relations with the taliban? well, personally, i think the united states should diplomatic recognition does

not apply, imply approval. it simply is a recognition of the fact that the taliban are in fact the government of afghanistan, they have seized power. that is a fact. and so the question is, will the united states be better able to accomplish its objectives in afghanistan? which include of making sure that the terrorist groups like al qaeda and isis do not re established themselves there. and being able to do something to promote the rights of women girls. busy to protect the has ours and the ethnic minority and to facilitate the exit from afghanistan. of, of the people who supported the international coalition. not just interpreters and people worked for the embassies to the military,

but also people who worked for the united nations and for the n g. i hope many of them will be able to stay, but clearly many of them will want to go. and for all those reasons, it makes sense to have a continued diplomatic presence, not like what we had, maybe quite a small embassy, but to be engaged with the, the new government which we of course wish wasn't there. but in fact, is there, all right, we have to leave it there for time. so much more we could talk about it. thank you very much for joining us here on the program. should come down the salon and peter galbraith. and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just there a dot com and have other discussion go to our facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter handle as a inside story, or you can message me directly at kimbell for me and hope to hear the

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