or id bussey was had to cardiovascular operations in india and condition change. his condition has improved like i labored. breathing is gone. i really thank god for the improvement. done with for the organization says it wants to do more, but success is limited. and those who need help committee with hospital is struggling to treat come on elements like malaria. many poor families look to organizations like the picking for the co help. but it takes several months to raise enough funds to take one child on many occasions helped him too late for some children to read. alexandra, so you tell me and let's take you through some of the headlines here. now just 0. now. the thought of on fight is proposed to be open. fire on protest isn't the east enough?

can city of john? i'm about 3 people were for to be killed and several others wounded. us, lead troops, fire in the air at cobbles. international airport is panicked. crowd scrambled to leave the country. the u. s. as the top bond is agreed to allow safe passage for civilians from mcbride is more from cobble. this was a particularly ugly into the not i think it's being seen is really since the taliban just assume power a couple of days ago as the 1st major active defined against them. just jot about this very important city. it is east of here towards the border with pakistan and this protest began over the national flag. now since the taliban have taken power, they have very consciously been removing the afghan national flag and replacing it with the taliban flag. we've seen that a lot here in the capital cobble. it's left a lot of people. i very upset. i've kinda stands deposed president is in the united

arab emirates. the foreign ministry says shavani and his family are in upper darby on humanitarian grounds. as the taliban promises to form an inclusive government, a member of its political office and have connie was pictured meeting national reconciliation chairman abdullah della and the former president. how many cars i and cobble british afghans have been protesting outside parliament in london, demanding the government does more to help though seeking asylum. prime minister barak johnston says the u. k. will do all it can to avert a humanitarian crisis. in haiti, heavy rains of complicated the search and rescue mission after saturday, earthquake officials, a warning damage, buildings could collapse. nearly 2000 people were killed in the tremor those i had lines. the news continues here. now just here, after this stream from talk to al jazeera,

we roam, did you want the un to take and who stop to we listen, see the whole infrastructure in guys being totally destroyed. we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter on al jazeera. the i answer the okay, you're watching the stream on today's episode. long time coming, reckoning with race in america. this is the latest book by michael eric dyson. mike are really great, have gone to stream back to minutes, right? to rock control. what am i left off the list of things to introduce you by your titles that you hold f o f friend for me. so they just want to so good said good to happy here on the street. we have audience. 20 minutes is michael eric

dyson. if you don't have a question for you now, you will have in a few minutes, jumping to youtube, jumping to the live comment. i need to be part of the show with michael eric dyson, who let where shall i stop? i. michael, i took a picture of the front cover inside the front cover of your book in an inside the back cover of your book. and it just struck me, i'm just going to let people have a look at this and read this. and then you see these names. i'm at till eric gonna sondra blind. i wrote this for you. how did you pick? how did you pick this extraordinary line up? well, 1st of all, what an honor and an extraordinary privilege and pleasure it is to be here with you . i chose those particular people because i want to make certain points and the points i wanted to make hatch it here to at least more broadly speaking, the circumstances outline of their existence,

especially in their their deaths. so if i wanted to speak about the way in which there was white theft of black futures, i wrote about brianna taylor. i wrote a letter to brianna taylor. and these are letters written to these people. not about them to further objectify them or exploit them. for books, sales or dollars, i want to speak directly to them in a kind of, you know, around table with the ancestors recently arrive for the most part. so brianna taylor allowed me to talk about whites that her life was stolen. metaphorically, that represents the condition to play in predicament of black people writ large. how our futures were stolen from africa brought here to north america. in this case, the 13 colonies then what became the united states of america, and then absorbed and reproduced for the purposes of dominant culture. then i wrote to, you know, eric garner because i wanted to talk about george floyd and the way in which the blue plague police brutality was devastating. our communities. i wanted to write to

sandra bland because i want to talk about white comfort, the degree to which many white brothers and sisters maintain and preserve their comfort at the expense of black life. so these particular things drove the people i chose so that i could have a conversation with them out loud about issues that continue to vex us right now. michael, so many of the names that you mentioned are people that we know because of the videos and viral videos. as a quote is a way you describe the videos in your book. consider these videos, visual autopsy of the slow death of justice when you were putting these stories together, when you revisited the story, says a lot of detail when them did you see it? i've read transcripts, watch videos, over and over again. how do you even do that? yes, that's a great question. yes, to the all the above. i read transcripts. i looked at the videos as painful as they

are. and i'm glad you brought that up because i'm an older person, right? i'm 62 years old. so i'm technically heading toward, you know, senior citizenry. but that's all right, she's, she's out there in the public. keep your think is that i'm a generation where we didn't have, you know, the possibility of talking about safe spaces or speaking about triggers or talking about the degree to which we could self care. these are things we'd learn from younger generations, mostly to our you know, benefit and advantage. but having said that, i think sometimes we protect ourselves from the trauma. yes, we don't want to be re traumatize, re victimized over and over again. but i don't think we can afford not to know what these values souls endured, what they grappled with in their last minutes to see the snuff films in the pornography of black dep, the home mate cinema of black demise of black biology that is projected onto the

world, the pathology of blackness and the pathology of shilling black people. i want to feel that, why let it wash over me? let me understand what a mom are. bree was feeling as he was running away from a truck behind him. and 2 people in front of him, white ridge, atlanta is we who are trying to hunt him down like an animal. and so i wanted us to feel that. so i read those transcripts. i, i look at those tapes, i felt the horror of the terror of the trauma, the grief that all of us as black people and hopefully american citizens. and hopefully global citizens fell when we spied what was going on in those tapes, and then those transcripts to me is a social worker. she has a question for you, michael, have a list and have a look. how do you write an entire book still, concisely, especially with the amount of emotion that comes with the topic in being a black man? ah, bless you my love, you know, it takes

a right writing and rewriting. i think the best writer is a re writer. so you've got to put it on paper, you got to let it be cathartic. you've got to let it call. come out of you, the chaos. the cataclysm hurt the pain, the problem of the agony, and then you begin to shape it into a narrative that will serve your broader purposes. i want to serve the purpose of illuminating their lives of broadly illuminating the context of their demand. and so i want to get it out there emotionally, but then i want to rein it back in just a bit in order for the narrative to serve this broader purpose. but i didn't want it to be shorn of emotion. i didn't want it to be lacking in the existential angst . that drove me to a certain degree. as i looked at these video recordings and it was a black man, i couldn't be objective. i don't have an archimedes point of object to the outside . the flow of human history, i'm right, they are implicated in it. and so i wanted the writer the reader to feel that power

with me as a writer. michael, i'm a black woman who lives in america. i've lived in mike's a really long time. this book spoke to me. i know you wrote it to those particular people who were impacted by police brutality. he died because please be tolerable violence in america. bits that really spoke to me on this, for instance, digital olaja mclean and the details about his death. that i didn't know that you told me i didn't realize what he said as he was talking to the police. i didn't realize that he was a beacon. i'd seen the videos of so charming what an amazing young man. what did you learn as she dug people into the story? the stories that you turn from headlines into pico, like you and i who live in america right now. yes, thank you so much for that question. i discovered like you discovered, you know, i heard about him. i knew that he was a young, black man, 23 years old,

arguably on the spectrum, but a highly sensitive deeply and profoundly intelligent and carrying and empathetic person. and then like you, i learned that he was a vague and i learned that he said, you know, he wouldn't hurt a fly. i learned that while he was being arrested while he was being assaulted while he was being victimized and traumatized unnecessarily. all of what 5640 some odd pounds, a young man who was a threat to no one who begged to for his life literally, he tried to reason and rationalize his existence. with these cops, he tried to say, identify with you. i know that you have a tough job. i see what you're going through. i know what you're doing is of all of us. and none of this, what we usually call in black circles, respectability politics, letters convince white people by the depth of our character, by the pedigree of our personality,

that we are not worthy of the mistreatment and misbehavior to which they will arbitrarily. and often say the least subject us, none of that worked. and this was the of special horror of looking at his story. so i learned all of that. and looking at sandra bland, you know, trying to fight for her own life to fight for her. right. to be able to speak up and speak back to an offending cop, an offensive cop who has treated her or rather nastily. and then 2 days later, here she is hanging in or jail cell. so i wanted people to discover what i discovered and looking at my armor. and looking at that entire 4 minute ordeal and how he left the home that he was merely looking at black curiosity is criminalized in this country. and i wanted to put that front and center and talk about how there was a kind of reversion to the sleeve plantation where you didn't even own your own body . i wanted to project these real archetypes of black existence and identity into

the struggles that these contemporary black martyrs endured to show how we have made progress on the one hand. but we are repeating the very thing from the history on the other. we've had so many conversations on the stream this year really from, from march through towards the end of the year. about what happened the see what happened in 2020 you, according it reckoning with race in america. i found on page 66 of your book, such a beautiful way to sum up before but ugly way to sum up. what habit will my, all some people, including yourself, and this is the reckoning. will you read from the bottom of page $66.00, the end of the power off? for me? be glad to do that. if we picture the impact of each of those leaves losses on black america and the punch enterprise like, then each of these deaths was a body blow to black justice. each shooting was

a stinging after our spirits. each killing was a right cross to our emotional stability. each choking was a left hook to our concerted efforts to put your hand. and then, after all those years, after all there's incalculable loss. the knockout punch was a bruising uppercut to our minds. deliberate, as george floyd's coldly brutal debt. how long did it take you to come up with? this is what happened. this is why perhaps, and i, i say perhaps because i'm not sure. but you seem very sure that the george for protest went around the world that resonated that this is a reckoning. yeah. take came up. it took me a wow. because look, i'm torn on the one hand, in the immediate aftermath of the george floyd death. there was an enormous outpouring of empathy of treadaway brothers and sisters, citizens of all races,

striped colors, orientations, class status. i am the white religion, nationality in not only in america, but across the low, 50 feet in the country, hurting 7 countries across the world. extraordinary. and i think because all of us were at home during the pandemic, for many of us who are those of us who have the privilege to be so. and we saw on our screen what could no longer be denied. what black people who said was true, when you don't have to do anything, you don't have to make any offense to the car and they will hurt you if you are a black her and then remove the teachers and the asterisk from white people. oh he was running from the top. no, it wasn't. all we had a didn't know we didn't. we had an a 9. he was going to say no, he didn't. oh, he was thrashing. no one, no excuse. and finally, in some cases, for some grudgingly but others, you know, belatedly, they finally got the message. oh, my god. and when they did,

there was an enormous up swelling of surgeons and out poring of enormous identification with black folk. and so into the street, they port and now 6 months later, many of us think well was that a real reckoning did white people come to grips with their original sin, so to speak. and i look at it this way for me. i think over as many why people on that they fell in love with black people. right. for the 1st time. now a lot of them already were but many said, oh my god, here's a new love break before my eyes. i love black people, black lives matter. i'm going to post on social media. i'm going to talk as a superstar in my particular arena, and give money in resource does and now pay attention and help pete green light projects that need to be greenland. right. falling in love and you know, when you fall in love, it's roses, it's candle, light, it, you know, like as sexy. it's hot. there it is. you keep talking. yeah. you,

you better than me. and then it was way to the toilet paper on the wrong way. to close the door when you were in the bathroom lays do, and the toothpaste is being, you know, spit out from the wrong end, and you left the toilet seat up. do you want me to swim in the very toilet. so, but at that level, it's the everyday unsexy stuff where real love has to take root because real can't be on the mountain top of the majestic, magical encounter in romance. it has to be in the valley, so to speak of the everyday normal existence where real love shows up. it picks up the kids on time. it cooks the dinner on time. it washes the coals on time. it shares the duty across gender on time. in other words, the performance of love is the real reckoning in the systemic structural way with the truth that have been revealed. and i think at this level, the romance between the white folk fell in love with us. and the black people who

are the recipients of those ambitions are, you know, are, is now in a, in a kind of state where it's on sex. me. we got to talk every day and we can't be to discourage the pendulum has swung from one ends of the other. but we have to maintain our commitment to saying, i'm not going to be discouraged because we don't have roles roses in candlelight. let's have date night, let's figure out a ritual of accountability. let's figure out the rhythm of our mutual engagement with true, our accomplices. and of the fact of rachel reckoning. so it can only happen if we pay attention and make it happen. so i refuse to give up to so it's only been 6 months since then. we have to be determined to see this through the long haul. i'm just looking to see what's happening on youtube. some really interesting conversation just sparking off michael danny moore said the biggest issue is non black people's economic about race relations. no, it's a big trouble. it's

a big issue to be sure. which is why people like me write books and we all have conversations for me and you have your wonderful show. we try to help people out, we try to engage them. and i don't score and people who don't know. now are, you know, i'm skeptical of people who have reason to know and refuse to learn. that's a different problem. but the ignorance is deep and profound in many ways. so we have to solve that. we have to encourage white brothers and sisters and others outside of our communities. please learn, please talk. please engage with other people. please learn the circumstances and conditions of our emergence, our flourishing, our prohibition in certain circles that are accepting of white folk but not us. look at the circles of privilege in which you participate and circulate. so the thing is, is that, yeah, we got to encourage people to know something. don't talk about some stuff you don't really know about. if you don't know about rugby, don't speak about strikers. if you don't know about, you know, football in america don't talk about quarterbacks and the like. in other words,

get informed of the rules, the history through tradition and the conditions under which that's for occurs, the same thing with rates. how have having said that, i encourage people always to have an open mind and an open spirit to learn as much as you can talk to as many people don't just have one blank for it. right, because i want black friend could be great and that one black frame could not be great. don't ever take anybody's one word because there is always a difference, a convergence of complicated, nuanced interpretations of the truth that we confront. and when you have a broader pallet of colors from which to draw the picture, you yield the portrait you present is far more engaging. michael, in this book, you start ripping on council culture. i know it something up bumps you a lot. you've been talking about this for a while, so then when you make a turn into counsel coat is michael thing and you get upset about it. i want to share with you a comment by jo. well,

and then just jim took the back of it and a few are pretty cool count. so culture, joel has this question for you. his jewel. my question then would be if you feel like there is an issue with the way that we go about culture, then what can be improved? what can be taken away? and if we remove counterculture off the table, then what other tools do we, the general public have to hold white people countable? because we can't continue having this fear and worried that once we hope mon responsible is going to make the rest of them scattered like well, they've always been doing that part hasn't changed. but holding them accountable in the public, i would know more seems to be one way that we've been able to truly make a yes look, what is it?

well, stated the question, look, i'm not talking about not holding white brothers and sisters accountable. that is not my point. and furthermore, i think it is extremely necessary for us to leverage whatever authority we possess, morally, politically, socially, economically in defense of ideas, ideals, and identities that have bender under. so what i mean by cancel culture is the vicious ripping of another person's reputation, or tearing into their souls as if they have done the ultimate harm. now, if for those who have god bless them, let it rip right so that the harvey weinstein or the bill, because if you think that's the case or the r kelly's, but for the most part, cancelled culture is not leveraged against those bodies. it's more of a parallel movement. even people with power deserve to have their day in court, so to speak. if you go online to me, it can become like a lynch mob. here you are 5. util. have you 100000 view rather quickly without

evidence, without countervailing prove, without the ability for the person being held to account to give account of him or herself to talk about the conditions under which they exist, the plight and predicament of their particular career. or if you think they've done something wrong, you want to, if this rate them, for instance, the governor of virginia rouse nor in them who was in black fits horrible races to be sure. but the question is, what do we do if we get rid of that person? if we just throw him to the side and throw him to the wolves, then he will be able to stay in office a defined restitution defined restitution of justice versus retributive justice. restorative justice, which is the ideal expression, i believe, of our communities at their best. and you can get a white guy in there are white women after him and they'll go like no,

i've never had black face. but by the way, i don't care about your particular issues or culture, but a white person who is conscious of his or her fault and flaw coming to grips with that in public. what did ralph northern do? he turned around and he did things like 10000 prisoner ex prisoners were restored in terms of their voting rights. you know, that disproportionately impacting african american people. he talked about healthcare. he dealt with educational systems. in other words, he went to work like a demon. and he worked on behalf of black people. if a person makes a mistake, should they be held to account? yes. but to dispose of them to me that's smuggling into black culture. white supremacist ethics. white supremacy wants to destroy what's to oh, him until you was a little white woman. let me kill you. let me at this rate to let me wipe you out. that kind of desire for vengeance is not justice. to me, justice is what love sounds like. when it speaks in public,

and if we talk about justice, let's also spare the lives of the people with whom we disagree. those who are most vigilant and arrogant white supremacists hold them accountable. i don't even want to destroy their lives. i want to destroy the infrastructure that supports them, the white nationalist ideology that propelled them. but them as human beings know and cancel culture makes no distinction. so my friend, i think there's a way to it now is wrong and harm to hold people accountable. but also to do things in a fashion that will preserve the integrity of the human being, responded. let me very quickly in by saying that i picked up, you know, i was a young creature into 21 years old, back in tennessee. and it was my job to go to the hotel to a score the pastor to church that morning. and he told me a young man, it is easier for a young creature to damn the heat pile of humanity than to get in there and help those who have been hurt. he said, the older i get the preach about grace. he said,

i suppose that's because i need more of it one day. the counselor may be the cancel lee, and you want people to treat you with respect. look at the entire sweep of your career . are you being reduced to one state, one flaw? and one problem to me, it just doesn't accord with the best traditions of love, forgiveness, engagement, and accountability. and by the way, justice that our community is. all right, i'm hearing the the minister right here. the baptist minister, the minister michael eric dyson, i have won't be. next. i just want you to bring your thoughts again a, bring this home. i'm going to do it by a nick who is looking ahead to 2021 question for you. thanks my clarification for continuing and expanding the conversation that we're having on how to recognize the race in our country. and of course by doing so in such a powerful manner by writing letters sudden letters to toughen americans. each who

is the victim of racial violence in the united states. so my question would be after 4 years of racial tensions being provoked by the president united states, what recommendations would you have for president job? i was strategy could use to lead us out of the final types rather, nick, great question. great analysis. a don't be donald trump. i think we've achieved that be, don't stop the, the fear, the division, the hey trips, the animosities, the hostilities, the threats, the dangers that exist among and between groups. numbers see, find a way to leverage the moral authority of american democracy and those who defended most ordinary citizens in their spots and spaces and spirits in this country who every day uphold the bloodstained banner of truth of committed to those things that are helpful. not hateful, not nasty, not negative. and then di, make sure that you engage with your brothers and sisters across the spectrum and

understand that we are only good if we're all good together. and then we contribute our lives, no matter our race, color and sexuality, or creeds. this nation is as strong as it can possibly be. you've been listening to michael eric dyson. he is also a long time coming, reckoning with race in america. you've enjoyed this conversation was definitely going to enjoy this book might come with such a pleasure. thanks for joining us. thanks so much. a medigap, a breathtaking tropical paradise where its former protectors are now wanting to very we followed their journey as they put their lives on the

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