coalition with our sharp, gaudy, but i don't think will be described is one of these close allies says he's going to continue fighting against the taliban. for now though, pretty clear who is in pretty much total control of most of the country, and that is the taliban, james, as ever, plasm anything. sir james bay's diplomatic editor there at the un in new york, astro ghani, the former president of afghan on saying as well, i am proud of what we have done. i'm in the u. e. so disasters are avoided. we are in consultations with others. i want to achieve real achievements for our canis, donnie said. i. 1730 g. your top stories. as we've been on air this half hour, the former president of afghanistan ashcroft. connie has just spoken to the afghan people will be his facebook life page from where he's staying right now. the united arab emirates there had been confusion about his whereabouts since he left the

country. on sunday. the u. e says he's been taken in with his family on humanitarian grounds. the canada and places report of the open fire on protest is in the eastern african city of jalal, about 3 people that have been filled and several others were wounded. the gunfire has also been heard during protest in the eastern city of coasts and has been no immediate reporting of any injuries demonstrates has raised the african national flag over a road in the city. taliban fighters were then seen chasing crowds away. rob mcbride is in comp this was a particularly ugly into the not i think it's being seen is really since the taliban just assume power a couple of days ago as the 1st major active defined against them. as john by this very important city, it is east of here towards the border with pakistan. and this protest began over

the national flag. now since the taliban have taken power, they have very consciously been removing the afghan national flag and replacing it with the taliban flag. we've seen that a lot here in the capital cobble. it's left a lot of people. i very upset your other top stories today. the therapy in prime minister abbey asked meds in turkey for unofficial visits. he met the president rich up type one for talks on improving ties. both the desire to boost economic cooperation and trade. the one also offer to help mediate and end the fighting in ethiopia to grow region. this is mr. abbey's 1st visit abroad since his government launched a military operation. officials in australia are wanting corona virus cases have not yet peaked in the city of sydney and say people should brace themselves for more deaths. the us will offer cobra 19 boost of vaccinations for everyone from september. the 20th and the delta. various courses arise in infections inside story is on an next. i'll have the news for you in 30 minutes.

me. ah, ah. ah, ah, after 20 years, the tele bond is back in power in afghanistan. it says it will protect women's rights and set up an inclusive government. but has the armed group changed its ways and what type of administration will emerge? this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm how many millions of afghans who lived

through the 1990 s. remember the tele bonds harsh rules and governing style. but the armed group says it has changed as it gets ready to leave the country once again. in its 1st news conference since taking cobble on sunday, the taliban promised to protect women's rights give amnesty to those who worked with foreigners and respect media freedoms. its leaders also said they will not let other groups use afghanistan to launch attacks on any country. and they've called on women and other minorities to join their government. but many afghans and world leaders are skeptical. we'll get to our guests in a moment. first this report from charlotte bellis in couple. after years in the shadows, the taliban smokes and face was finally revealed. w hulu much ahead fronting for the 1st telephone press conference in 20 years. and 7000 us forces scrambled to evacuate americans on military plains, the telephone coded and historic moment. as the club actually taken to freedom is

the right of all nations, the outcome people by using their legal rights after 20 years of war were able to take the freedom to clean the country of the patient and occupiers. while the group could not reveal who lead the country much ahead, sid talk the ongoing for an inclusive political system and promised all afghans rights will be respected. there's a lot of concern about whether women will be allowed to work. that girls can still go to school. what assurances can you give to women and girls that their rights will be protected without his stomach m. red is committed to the right of women within the framework of sharia, or we may have the same rights that going to the working shoulder to shoulder with us. we want to assured international community that will be not as cumulation against women, but of course we think our religious framework but after use a for trust is hard to come by. as a woman, should i be scared of the telephone?

not know what it is? no, why should you be scared of us? you should never be afraid of us. to tell him on his asked everyone in carnival to continue their lives as usual and keep going to work. it is also declared an amnesty for all those who are the younger able is forgiven, and the embassies and foreign nationals should feel the telephone has sought to portray itself is more moderate than during it's in 1900 ninety's rule. yet people are wondering if this really is the telephone to point out what the situation in council is really good. now, the taliban, here we have taken control of security and we will hold it until the end of the telephone have made a number of statements that on the surface, the reassuring. but that actions speak the deeper than words, submit it very early. now it's very fluid. it's very hard to say what

is happening exactly. the taliban are in high spirits and defiant as gonna stones days as a battlefield over your head said he hope people start fleeing and state to the assets for the nation. the move on to hum. we have pardon everyone, all those who have fought against us. we don't want to repeat of war. we want to do away with the factors of conflict. for these law me came in rate of us got it done . does not have any conflict with anybody. we want fighting to end. would you had stated journalists should remain free and independent to critique the group so it can improve. oh, go ahead. one journalist off. you say you can forgive everyone, but do you think the victims can give you the scans on all sides? there is a lot of healing ahead. charlotte palace out to 0 cobble. all right,

let's take a closer look at how the taliban ruled afghanistan, back in the 1900 ninety's. the armed group was formed in 1994 by mil omar, a former, which i dean who fought against the soviets in the 1980s. his movement attracted popular support because of the lawlessness, corruption and instability that followed the soviet exit. the taliban took full power in 1996 after the fall of cobble and controlled nearly 90 percent of the nation. it bard girls from going to school and imposed capital punishment for various crimes. and the taliban government was overthrown in 2001 after the us invasion, triggered by the 911 attacks. the. alright, let's bring in our guess in cobble for him. so that head of the international relations department at cardon university in belfast, michael simple practitioner chair at the senator george j. mitchell, institute for global peace, security and justice at queens, university, belfast,

and in washington, omar summer, a former african ambassador to france and canada, and a former advisor to africa and chief executive de la de la. a warm welcome to you all. and thanks for being with us today on inside story for him, let me start with you today. the talking about i said they're looking to form an inclusive government. what from your perspective, does that mean and will non taliban figures make up a part of the new government? well, by inclusive, according to me, that would be and giving is to all those people who are the ones fighting the taliban as part of the previous government and also other minorities that does expose bix and has are in the government so that everybody is them. so in a, in a, in a future government and no one seems themselves marginalized because that has

always been one of the concerns amongst the people. that if taliban form a sort of one handed unit that's sort of government. what about the minority, right. and, and political position for them. so might inclusive, i believe it must be wide ranging and covering all those who are, who were not thought to bond or who are, who are one opposed to the taliban? oh my, let me ask you the same question. i just asked for him, i mean from your perspective, what's the make up of any future government going to look like? very difficult to say at this point. as discussions are ongoing, we saw some astonishing pictures and news from called today with anessa pony. once

was incarcerated in cover not long ago. back in cobble and having meetings in law's house with car, i'm blowing others and then you went on to meet with good with the mature as well. and then you have a delegation of columns belonging to the old northern alliance. some of some of them. obviously, others are taking an opposition if you boy great. now, but 2 of my suits brothers. for example, if foreign minister rabbani and others who are in the slum about pockets done for the past couple of days. and i've been holding talks with progress studies and maybe even having meetings with tom on to but they will be back in cobble. so there is a push to create a broad base government, but i think this is going to take to be a 2 stage affair. stage one is 1st of all to agree to some kind of media of an interim or transitional setup. and we should expect that to be broad based,

then they are going they will have to work on something more permanent. that may take months or maybe a year or more. and what mr. mcgraw had the taller bon sportsman, they called a sort of creating a new state and a student new state order in the new political order. and that's going to take a bit longer because there are many discussions that have to take place. we don't know, eventually if there would be a constitution approved. but i see this as a 2 step process of this one. michael omar just mentioned these meetings that took place in which i made cars. i and i've de la de la, we're a part of, i mean to you, is that an encouraging sign? i think we have to be absolutely clear that efforts to achieve a broad base government which could end the conflict have been underway for a long time until now. have comprehensively failed. the taliban exercise the option of using armed force to grab all power for themselves. they have succeeded in that they are continuing the messaging that they are interested in

a broad base government. and if one emerges, i think that the most, alphonse and most in the international community would welcome it. but they haven't done a single thing other than use words to show their commitment to that. so i think the, if we look to the spirit of the, of the, the movement on the ground, the fighters who succeeded in overthrowing the afghan government, they're not waiting for a broad base government. they're not waiting to share power with any one. as far as i'm concerned, they are determined to establish a government led by the taliban, which will enforce sharia law and establish a new state which is essentially a name or otherwise a repeat of the camera which they had previously. so i mean at the moment these are talks, these are ideas, it would be great if they worked out, but we haven't seen a single compromise from the taliban throughout this period. and there is, there is a possibility which i think that all of us must take seriously, which is that the continued talks and as long as the new talks in cobble are just

a way of trying to keep hope alive. why the taliban consolidate themselves in sol control of the african state? i mean, this is at the moment the most likely outcome and i have seen, i've heard nothing from the talks underway to suggest that the talk about actually are ready to receive any body with any political weight, any support and constituencies outside the yeah. the taliban into government. so at the moment the other talking about this, the reality is the taller bond have grabbed power and itala and get to call the shots as to who will be in the the new government for him. could you just tell our viewers for a moment what the mood is like in cobble right now? i mean, what are you hearing from people? are they concerned? is there a sense of worry and do they largely believe what the taliban is saying about it being a more moderate style of leadership now than it was in the 1990 s. while mamma there is optimism and as well as concern, the optimism is that the bond largely into couples with

that list. and it really and we didn't know they were no better than cowboy, which was an extreme concern to everybody. because you have, you have had a capital way, almost more than $6500000.00 people at any battle within the capital would be disastrous. and that's an option dotted by entered the city. they largely curtailed the an r t. and as well as the noting of the public people public infrastructure and other thing also seemingly up to now from my bus no my time if i have met them now, they are so much of a moderate approach. they will behaved and be mainly normal.

that is and also we are hearing of the. 2 national, the other, the new i'm a guy, had briefings yesterday to the public where a lot of things were mentioned and they were all taken on the the concern at the same time is that there has to be a clear road map announced by the taliban. now what would be the future road map, what, what's up a government? which one is on hop and also we have, we still have lots ali who announced himself yes, that as the lead you to made. i think president of the one is on the who is the mean the share at the moment with the son of the commander much i'm a who is that i now who i've already announced a resistance to point 0. that is also a concern now,

because if we don't have a broad base all inclusive government and these people stop any resistance, that means that a war will not in all. and then we would witness. 2 battles in the pockets of the country or met. busy largely in the but there will be a war. so the people are happy because what is a different taliban? and also i've the same time they are concerned about the future road map. and because there is no collateral yet, that's what sort of governance structure or system would i want to have after this . omar you spoke a few moments ago about what you believe needs to happen for negotiations to go forward. but let me ask you, if you think that there will be any international mediator is playing

a part in any talks going forward. i this point, i don't, i don't think so. i need he issued. could it be possible if all side had agreed and do i think that negotiations and culture now going to shift on a stuck, you know, cynicism aside. i think that the record is now clear. we can spend this as we want, but the record is that over the last 3 years, and especially with an 18 model. and i know for a fact a ton of on put forward on 2 occasions, a power sharing arrangements and with details of how this can be done to act on politicians in cobble. the person who basically sabotaged it was a chef. i mean, everybody. lona honestly knows it a shot money for his own purposes. political purposes was a single handedly not launch day deal because he needed a tale. bon, we're in agreement to have talks with everyone in holland is from anyone that wants

to accept a shelf crash when he saw himself as a target and the tall one were not ready to talk to him on negotiated with him. this is why he was an obstacle to the peace process moving forward. obviously, there were other reasons as well, but that was the main reason. and everybody in f one is done now knows this is part of the record. and we cannot change history with narratives that are false. we need to now grasp the moment. there's an opportunity for our honest on to, to come together do unite. there are talking about who are against a broad based approach. there are, i just follow dishes who are opposed like mr. sony to even deal with the tale, but he wants to fight there. all kinds of different shades of politicians and up on is done and people are still willing to fight. but the majority of our funds, i would say now want stability in peach, and the prefer the broad based approach at this. and tell we go towards

a more solid political system that reflects the will of the majority of african. michael, how much has all of this change the geo political map in asia, and how much is this going to be benefiting russia and china? i mean, are they going to be stepping in and essentially filling the void that was created by americans departure? well, it's quite clear that the here the afghans are so far suffering, although of course, are we listening to the listening to the hope that that homer is, is offering people have lost out are the outcomes is nothing else. they him in millions of off kinds of how their livelihoods disrupted, but the united states is withdrawn from the, from the region. it is still not clear how that void is going to be here to be filled though, of course, pakistan. i will be ex,

can be expected to move to back this government. but whether the taliban make it easy to do that or not, depends on the decisions that they make in the, in the coming days. if they put together a hard line millicent regime and do not make the compromises necessary. i, it even pakistan is going to find itself under pressure for engaging with them. they, i think the chinese preference is indeed to try to engage and cooperation with our, with pakistan. iran is very concerned with the development and still strongly supportive of the idea of a broad base government. i think they feel that they can engage if there is a broad base government, but it's not sure whether that can be pulled off out. so i think that where we should expect a period of tradition in terms of the, the geo politics and the, the regional politics of it to see whether the taliban can get themselves into the kind of shape that people can deal with or not. because you know,

until this week they the stated position are both in the region and internationally . was that nobody would deal with a taliban regime which had been imposed by force. and now a taliban regime has been imposed by force. so the other, the international actors are left with a serious quandary for him. let me ask you about a couple of things that michael mentioned there. first of all, what role do you think pakistan is going to play in negotiations going forward? secondly, do you believe that russia is going to be open to working with the taliban going forward? well, i think both these countries have their concerns and they would want one is done to pilot bunch a grid. for example, pakistan, the mormon, want to be a trade off center. i was looking at the big project, which is

a flagship part of the b r. i and i wanted to become free to hop into progress on needs. a peaceful one is and if there is no one is on that project or that reading can coming can come through. but if there is chaos in war, definitely then that would remain the be. so a peaceful one is done is definitely be in favor of pakistan where the russia, you had the concerns of indigo drug trade and also these over of law if you made them. now this also largely depends on the taliban behavior. apparently, as we see this on the buttons, missions and claim is this is limited to all they want to have is now make government and a state and understand that means they are not concerned for reach know causes of

other groups. so if that happens and rushes ashore of, of, of, of one is not being a launch bad, then i think the russians would, would align themselves somehow because we should also not forget that one of the major concerns for russia was dice to finally been, are prepared to curtail that would part of that or bring it to just close up. so it just depends on how valuable addresses these concerns on how they practically look at these concerns. so if these countries see that in for interest being somehow achieved through as taliban government, i think they will have no other problem. and i'm betting the russian have said that they would be cautious in recognizing the government news. they would have to still see some action being taken by the taliban. omar, of course, there is

a lot of concern right now that there could be a refugee crisis now that the taliban has taken power and that so many afghans want to leave the country. what are the humanitarian implications of all that has happened? well, it depends on what which, which reports you read and what accounts you trust more. there is even a problem on this. don overall did exist. there wasn't even a problem before natal of, on a started their military campaign that has probably be exacerbated by now because of the fact that the government is no longer as providing services as it should. these things will have to change very quickly, the talking about whether they are going to be broad based, whether they want to include some technocrats and bureaucrats in the system to run

the initial. busy whether they're going to have, you know, a cosivity in the system and are going to be more flexible than compromise. they have a huge responsibility on their shoulders now only to maintain security and stability, but also to make sure that they act on populations needs or address humanitarian and otherwise the government is back on its feet and can function the government was it was correct. the government was a government that really had very limited capacity to provide and it didn't even control at least half of the country until a few weeks ago. so with all of that, now at least all of us on is in one hand, but it's harder. but we'll have a hard time running and managing affairs. and lest, as i said, the open, the space, unless the bring in expertise and this visual flexibility and this, they engaged international community in ways that actual community wants it to be

engaged unless they can absorb and ask for assistance and aid that are on is done will need for used to come. so all of this obviously is going to be part of the challenges that they thought about would be facing and moving forward. michael, we only have about 30 seconds left. so i'm gonna ask you to please keep your answer short. do you believe there's going to be schisms going forward within the taliban? you believe that there will be a power struggle? i think the taliban are very good at maintaining their until the unity for the now they will manage to for, to maintain that the question is whether there will be resistance from outside. all right, we have run out of time. so we're going to have to leave our conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guests. for him set up, michael, simple and omar summer and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again anytime by visiting our website up to 0 dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha. inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle is at

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