the organization says it wants to do more, but success is limited, and those who need help are too many hospitals struggling to treat come on elements like malaria. many poor families look to organizations like the ticket for the co help. but it takes several months to raise enough funds to take one child on many occasions helped him too late. for some children. i did read alexandra, so you tell me. on the top stories on al jazeera, afghanistan's former president has defended his decision to leave the country during the taliban take cover of the capital. kabul shotgunning, speaking from the united arab emirates, says he left to prevent bloodshed and denied rumors that he fled with suitcases full of cash. the u. a says ghani, has been taken in with his family on humanitarian grounds. diverse for me should.

if i stayed, i would have witness bloodshed and couple a couple should not be turned into another yemen or syria over power struggles. so i was forced to leave i left with just a waste coat and some clothes. the personality assassination against me has been ongoing, saying i have taken money with me. the accusations are baseless lies, but you can even ask customs officials, they are based for that. and i've got this done itself. taliban fighters of reportedly opened fire on protest is the 3 people who said to have been killed at a demonstration against the group to take over the eastern city of gyla. bob, people were marching in the streets chanting and carrying the afghan flag. video of the event late to show taliban fighters firing into the air and heating protested with sticks. gunfire has also been heard during protest in the eastern city of cost . meanwhile at cobble airport,

us lead troops fide into the air to disperse people who have been gathering, trying to leave the country. taliban soldiers also fight, and they asked to control the crowd, but an official says they have no intention of injuring anyone. a tropical storm and haiti is hampering search and rescue efforts. after saturday's earthquake form grace has brought heavy rain with warning, some damage, buildings could collapse. nearly 2000 people were killed. thousands more have been left homeless with many, still waiting for help. after spending 4 nights in the open recent political term, i was also causing issues with local gangs fighting over the vital local roads needed for access. when you get more than all of our stories on our website, how to 0 adult calm, those all the top stories stay with us. the stream is next. ah,

ah ah, ah. hi michelle carry in for for me. ok under and the stream with afghan a stand now under taliban control. what does the future look like for afghans and particular women and girls and one of the thousands of bass gans right now. who wants to leave their country but cannot get out? and what is to say about us foreign policy, past, present, and future? lots of get into today. we do want to hear from those of you watching on youtube. so just leave a comment, leave a question. in the live chat, we do monitor that. we will read them and you can be in the stream as well.

the so it took the taliban just 10 days to sweep across afghanistan and regain control of the country. the groups quick rise to power, millions of afghans, citizens, and fear over the uncertainty of what taliban rule will look like. and confirm reports of taliban fighters entering the homes of cobble residents have put people on edge. i have family and friends across the country, sharing different stories with me, for example, and couple they do have checkpoints across the city where they actually go in and check cell phones to see if there's any sort of the united states affiliation. we're also seeing the taliban go into different communities, requesting food from local restaurants and from just a regular household. and especially we're seeing that they're going into neighborhoods and market houses that are minorities. and so that's very concerning . i know the last 2 years to the taliban really changed their tone. try to turn a new leave. but in reality,

this is the same organizations that we've known their oppressive. they want their dominance to be known and they want to be recognized. and i know surely we're going to see the old taliban come out. all this is the united states concludes its pull out from the country fever, surely evacuating american personnel and afghan allies. so what lies ahead? joining us from afghanistan to discuss this is pushed on to ron a. she's an educator and the director of learned ethan education nonprofit focusing on afghan women and girls, and in the united states. bribery with president of global situation room and the former director of global engagement at the winehouse during the obama administration. welcome to both of you. thank you for joining us. so push on, i'm not sure if you're able to, if you were listening to what it was that late as he was saying, but does that ring true to you? what are you hearing about what the situation is right now in afghanistan? hey, i just got in touch with my cousin and that he, he told me that right now and like, you know, people are claiming that, oh,

they didn't do anything. everything is that they're just speaking with weapons. my cousin just told me that the bike back there are people like, you know, 7 tags that buy from that, electric generators, whatever you could find a home b to all of those. and he keeps on telling me that, you know, even the appliances are marked down and then back to the ground reality from right now. just a few minutes before. sure. what do you, what are, what is the word for people that want to leave and offer american personnel believe, but for ask and that want to leave, how are you all communicating with each other, getting word to each other? if somebody wants to leave right now, do they even know what to do new, if not, that's something that everybody has a backup plan, okay. when i am supposed to leave i, and what should i have in my bag or whatever? i mean, like the majority of the people, i don't know if you have seen the equal to reduce their hard to find modifying. have you seen the going to crying to being left behind you are murdering each other

to get or to the gate. i'm in different groups, all the group, keep one thing to each other that the food is closed back or this loop. so there is no, what do you call it a my can them to, for the people who want to fleet are the, it is no like, you know, even the regional countries are not opening up the borders order. i wonder if he said like he arctic right? now, so right when you listen to, to what posada is describing is chaotic, what is it that you see and hear as a planner when you hear that? well, you know, it's interesting to hear that account. and then i just got done listening to the deputy secretary of state, wendy sherman brief, from the podium at the state department. and her spin on this is, well, anyone who wants to, you can certainly come to me cause i international airport and we will process them . but i know not just as a planner, but somebody who serve as american diplomat across africa, iraq, venezuela,

a lot harder on the ground. and that unfortunately, i think is the disconnect we have seen and are seeing between the bided administration. who, on the one hand has, you know, theory and slogan. and on the other hand, the reality certainly of the women and girls and i've got this done. mean it is heart wrenching, it is heart wrenching for 20 years. we told them to stand up to be bold, and we just walked away and the word from the white house, you know, the word from the president himself. he's not just going to be damaging. and i'm looking at this is somebody who handles american global engagement for a couple years. it's going to be damaging around the world. i mean girls in nigeria, i mean, i remember when we built, let girls learn after the kidnapping of the school girls and chuck niger area. i mean, they have got to be worried as they're watching, what's happening in afghanistan. i think it's disastrous. so i want to read

a couple of comments. are also getting from people on youtube that are watching right now. how do you, adela says it's too soon to judge if they are evil or the saviors about kiana's stand. meaning the taliban will get back to that in just a moment. and then another comment from someone. no, no says masters of actually been happening for 20 years. it's just that nobody cared. what about that? pushed on it. what do you make there's, there's obviously a lot of a lot of dialogue about this is getting a lot of news coverage in the us. but for years, afghan nathan was not something that many people beyond a few reporter is actually talked about and gave much attention to what do you make of the fact that it's getting all this attention now, whereas it may have been neglected for so long as it's something that we should care about. i am so sorry i keep on getting another yeah, my apologies. i'm back. can you, you know, absolutely. i said,

what do you make of the fact that now there is so much attention being paid to what's happening and dance and rightly show what rightly so. but for years and years, that wasn't something that was front and center as an important topic. even though there were thousands of afghans are releasing their lives and, and thousands of american soldiers losing their lives as well. be at the moment you have to understand that on the son of one women and everybody right now is like, you know, just confused. they don't know what the future a we them right. or a lot of the thing that keeps coming from cobbled everybody things are normally about are nice and polite, but then you go to poland, says, and you see there in pieces where you see that has been closed down. i've got to then use my own poems and they're telling me that the poet who that includes down the poster or not. then at the same time the same thing is happening and hit out where guys cannot go to food. you have to understand back, you know, for 20 years to take it. we have to give up on all those people my own district. we

look at our 2200 people so that we could live as i do not want to stand within another district. just for that. can you imagine the things that we have to go through and now for 2300 men with all those they do, we are left between like, you know, in the situation where we don't know how to respond to the us. we do, we don't know where do we stand, where we don't know how to, who to reach out to you. exactly. so here i think it might be at the same time, we are sending our line to right now, because that would be, were they were not even into the, the, were brought in the us military plane, right? we have to question those alliances, right? you know what the taliban is not an unknown quantity. i mean, we have a common from someone who we don't know yet. if they're evil or saviors, it's obvious that they are definitely tried to change their image. you know,

when they came into into afghanistan in the ninety's, they were there wasn't a lot known about them, but they app, but yeah, absolutely. have a track record now to know who they are. are you buying this, this new and improved image they're trying to put to the world and what is their actual motivation? because it's clear from what we're hearing from busch donna, that regardless of what they're telling people, people are still terrified on the ground. yeah, and you know, i currently work in public relations so i can certainly add and detect a p r campaign when i see one. and i think that's precisely what you have yesterday's press conference in. cobble by the taliban. it was an effort to try and quite frankly, just gloss over some of those other less savory and less, quite frankly, justifiable position that the taller bond continues to take. and there are a lot of generalities. you know, women will have their place under sri a lot at the end of the day. and this is where i want to be very specific. i think

the american administration, europeans, other allies need to seize the moment now. and i know there's a lot of leaders watching from around the world. this is the point at which you need to be very specific about the demand that we're making on the taliban. not just in general, let support women and girls. but what are the things that we as an international community are going to ask the tolerant, and we're going to hold them accountable for what hold on them and say, i want to ask you, does the us, what leverage of the us still have? well, we still still troops at the airport in cobble. we still have air power and we still quite frankly, have a lot of carrots that can be offered. you've heard the american administration speak of them over the last several days that if they want not just diplomatic recognition, but aid, all of that has to be made contingent on very specific policies, programs, and steps that the taliban are going to take. and let's not forget that you

mentioned, we know who the taliban are. we've also seen over the course last couple years in negotiations on this very withdrawal that the taliban have not made good on their promises. so i think there are a lot of questions and we absolutely have to verify we absolutely have to ensure that at this moment we are making very clear are, are expectations and the taliban know it. so and there has been a lot of talk and a lot of concern in particular about what the taliban being back in power actually means for women and girls. and they had a talking about p r. obviously they had a huge press conference yesterday, and there's a couple of something i've been falling on twitter. someone posted a picture of all the journalists that are at the press conference. and one comments specifically says so, where are the female journalists in today's press conference? there was at least one female journalist there, someone from al jazeera charlotte bellas, who actually put the question to the taliban. what does this mean for women or girls? so i want to play what the taliban had to say,

and then we can talk about it on the other side of the mission. earlier when it comes to we are going to allow women to work on this framework. so it was under the women are going to be very active and the society was within the family. what does that mean to you by shot when you say within the framework of islam, cuz his law means different things to different people. i'm like, i just find it very weak every time be use a slam as a ski go for whatever the patriarchal legal is stick mean dominated like, you know, i, i just find it funny and i come in. so thing when the use sure orders not to give good everything but they have to see. i mean like what was unshared? yeah, right now enough on the sun. what were women doing that is that was not under the

show you a lot of fun, isn't islamic country. avalon women are majority of them are most of them with the we're doing everything according to the shed. yeah. i mean, like the, it's in the slammer probably couple one is on. so what was that the think is now not acceptable under the chevy a lot. and i find it funny, every time people in international media asked me if they have change. yes, we have to, you know, we can speak english and they have a very good. yeah. but other than that, we haven't changed from car apart from car will. do you see any changes i women going to, you know, a teen hit our, their goods going to school in come back. are be going to work in the come back if so then yeah, they have change. if not, then they have not changed and just sticking to that and they are using shot, it's not as weak terms as possible just to get there. and there actually are already reports that were saying a women being force on their jobs, particularly on from banking jobs. we have some very specific examples of that. and right, i wonder if you think, you know, there may be cases of women being force and their jobs are also may be cases quite

frankly, a women just being scared and almost self censoring and not even leaving the house anymore. how common do you think that was right now? oh, absolutely, and look. i mean, there are a lot of families as well that are just going to try and keep their female members of the family home until it is clearer what the rules will be. what the taliban means when they say that women will have certain freedoms. and this, i think, is obviously a very dangerous and delicate situation where one of the things is an american diplomat that i learned is you have to make beachheads. and i think in this moment it's really important for both african women, but also for the international community. as i was saying earlier, to stand up and to say we insist that these rights that these freedoms are protect

it and that we are going to have under a telephone rule, a modicum of freedom. and right now, there are a number of areas in which i think specifically as my co panelists mentioned, girls need to be back in school tomorrow, not next week, not next month. and that ought to be conditioned on any engagement that the international community is going to have. and certainly any aid that we're providing you to listen to something from my rashid lame, he's an author and an academic scholar talking about what he thinks the people of afghanistan need. and then we'll talk about it on the other side. what the again, people need and want is not the taliban. they want accountability and they want the international community to have the will to not sacrifice and other generation of bonds to death, destruction displacement and loss. just because the number of corporations in the

number of countries want to capitalize on the rich resources and geopolitical location of honest on the afghan people deserve justice. and they demand autonomy and a right to fair and free elections, and the removal of the taliban from the helms of government. hotshot a question on what does that, what does justice mean and look like for you when he says justice, what would that be for you? yes, this is holding sullivan accountable for whatever he does to us for the past 20 years, just because he went to school just because we were working for the betterment of one of them. that is, just as we are really going to talk about just a just this is we are going to hold accountable all the cut up leaders that the america, i'm the west empowered in the past few decades, or all the civilian us off out on the sun and they looted up on us, i'm back justice. what is justice in the fact that 50 percent of the country has to

move? all right, just because a few men and presidential centers changed what, how is that even just this? at the same time, we have to understand that one women right now need a surety more nice validate the more need international community to stand by them . right. in the past, what we did was international community empower the elite women of upon us on that . now the civilians, the ruler women, the stephanie and the international community has a leverage to use that and sign in florida already. but i'm not sure what they are doing because it has been dees. i'm international as community has not even a word. i mean, like getting to an airport, it's not something that every woman would want. like, everyone wants to leave this country but be forced to do so. there are chances that the international community should stand up and be just towards the women of on the sun. that's justice. brett, what, what does the us push on a settle off there?

what does the u. s. o afghan, a stand. what is the us specifically a women and girls and you brought up an interesting point a moment ago who is watching this? what are the takeaways that other countries, even other armed groups are getting from this? i mean the taliban played the long game for 20 years and they ended up getting what they want it. yeah, and look, i think in my view, the united states of america. oh, those brave women, i've kind of started an enormous debt because they were an inspiration. i mean, i remember sitting at the state department at the white house and healing the stories of countless townsend braver race. and yet, you know, unfortunately, president biden has now said, you know, it's just not worth it. it's not worth spending our, our time and making the investment. and i don't care how much spin is put on it from the white house podium. busy we have a band and the cost as you rightly. ok,

let me, let me ask you what, let's, let's pick that apart a little bit though, abandoned them in the sense that you're saying the u. s. should still be there or abandon them in the sense of the way this was handled. well, i think it both senses 1st. you know, we, i believe sure should have an enduring presence there. that was critical, as we've seen just in the last several days to shoring up the, the confidence and the capabilities of the military for how long remained. well, you know, look, it, we have more truth currently in space than we did have enough. gone to stein this year, i think, you know, with a small presence, certainly over the past year. but over the past 20 years, there weren't thousands of us troops dying and spain. there were thousands of do it through us troops dying and canister. over the past 20 years, except this year there were no kind of back casualty. so my argument would be that

that was worth the price that was worth ensuring that women and girls could go to school, that we could have certain rights and yes, work towards a more perfect form of government. you know, kind of stand, you could have elections and the people decide even as an imperfect ok for private what i do and i don't wanna interrupt, pushed on. i wanted to wanted to interact. i had me, here's the thing. i personally and i one and i, i personally believe that don't mind me for saying this back to i put anything that the american to so i'm not super heated that i'm not marvel heavy down the something on the what happening and the aliens attack and they are the ones you know, like, you know, seeing the whole world that's, that's not in reality, that's not true, right? to be, couldn't have done back in upon a sunny that what the could the you have could have done is like, you know, didn't lead to legitimize the hardy didn't stand by when the taliban was abusing ones. right. when you were abusing the civilians in the past the week i lost the

family members in the past the weeks and there they us the by every one person who was losing their family members and spin back in on july in jerry. so i'm, i'm asking this not from the us back to all the way all the western power the call them says like, you know, the leaders of the what and then the stand by. and it's not like job. i don't have to put in a lot of money, a lot of effort, effort or something. you just have to pick up a phone and call the office and, and tell them stop by using the civilian or we don't legitimate your deal, but he didn't do it. that makes me want to question the leadership that makes me want to question the fact that america presidents and on the, on the was it was it, was it what they are the time that the last all these people all the time and the rest it. so much enough on a song i'm in the end of the day, the couldn't even pick up the phone on pressure as a call. abundant not being into not of using the civilian into not in our shop.

press on, i'll let you sound very frustrated. but what i'm also hearing issue sound, you sound abandoned, that that's my putting words in your mouth. that's how it sounds. what you're describing. i, i don't feel abandoned by you. all right. and i didn't want him. i don't, you know, i'm going to be honest. i didn't work for an american, has been back lived america, people's choice, and then do walk. and i think that's how it works on back fine. but the fact that i wanted for president ronnie and he leave the country in all this chaos, you know, up on push on all the ask you, have you have you watch what he said today? i'm glad you brought that up. what is your reaction? he says that the reason he left is because there was going to be violence and bloodshed. he says that he did not take all the money that he's accused to take in . what is your reaction to what you heard, and we're, we're almost out of time. but i do want to hear what you think of that be the fact that he ok, he didn't take the money and he didn't want the black hair. but then why did he

enable corruption the past 4 years? the past all this time, but he was in power. why did he bring in? people would double triple passports to our planet, son who are not sincere towards one. is that why did he let the wound up on his son let go of them they did. he didn't contact them, he didn't do them in confidence. he literally abandoned up on this. i'm in the process and now he sees that he didn't do any of the things that she would actually use if that's i've used towards the civilians from so are you going to see it again and again, the west me but the cut up leaders, the west any but i live on and they keep on doing this on women and on civilian brett, we've got about 30 seconds. you can respond. i think i can rightfully say having both voted for and supported joe biden. i feel abandoned. i expected better. and i'm, i'm sorely ashamed right now, and i will continue to do everything i can to raise my voice and to draw attention to it. because i don't think that what we're doing enough kind of stand is in our

interest and certainly not in the interests of women or girls in that country region and around the world. that's going to be the final word on this discussion for now. but we will obviously continue the discussion of brett brew and thank you so much for joining us up ashanna jerone. thank you both for joining us. and again, there will be many more conversations to have about this. that is all for now though. thanks to our gas. thank you to our community as well for participating. we had many, many comments on youtube. i tried to get as many of them read as i can, so i'm keep sending them. we'll continue the dialogue. that's all for now. until next time. take care. ah news

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a washer. ah, i need the ball in london. the top stories on al jazeera of kindness. dan's former president has defended his decision to leave the country during the taliban. the takeover of the capital kabul has gone. a speaking from the united arab emirates, says he left to prevent bloodshed and denied rumors that he fled with suitcases full of cash. the u. a says gun he has been taken in with his family on humanitarian grounds. mustn't mind me should input. if i stayed, i would have witness bloodshed and couple,

couple should not be turned into another yemen or syria over power struggles. so i was forced to leave i left with just a waste coat and some clothes.