govern states. a sam has already passed it saying it was the only way to bring down illiteracy and poverty among muslims. for the families like the genders who depend on subsidies to feed their families, believe this law release people like them was off. pardon him itself? i'll just 0 for lunch ahead with the dish. ah, there are, these are the top stories and at least 2 people have been killed in the african city of ozetta, but a rally was being held in the country's independence. it's not yet clear if a death resulted from the stan pete, or when taliban fighters as far as a couple airport children have been hoisted above crowds as people try to escape u. k says it's unable to evacuate unaccompanied children. so it balances in couple and has more paypal panicked and have started flooding the airport in these evacuation flights, picked up various countries. same thing in the military,

plains and, and thousands upon thousands of afghans. just making a run for the port trying to get on some of these evacuation flights, the taliban, securing the perimeter at the moment. and the main problem is in the crowd control technique, which is predominantly shoes in the ear and width, people to push them back. and the problem with that is, is that many of these people do actually have valid documents and are entitled to get on some of these evacuation flights. but they're having a hard time getting past, essentially the telephone front line to get to their life. hundreds of demonstrators of rallied in the great capital call you on the government, do more for africans that money, rapid asylum approvals for those trying to get to europe, as well as for thousands already in greece. haiti's prime minister's promise not to repeat the past mistakes as concerns grow over the slow pace of aid meant for victims of bloss weekends. powerful earthquake. more than 2000 people are known to have died. the number of cave in 1900 cases in new zealand has more than double to

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mr. governor, you've got people who are with the narco, through the eyes of the journalist, determined to report the truth. your government is full of narcan. she said, that's how the article should start 60 years on we revisit the report is still risking their lives being another outbreak. violence of more versus rewind, the deadly feet on our era. ah, hi michelle, carry in for for me. ok. under and the stream was canister and now under taliban control, what does the future look like for ask and, and particular women and girl, and one of the thousands of bass gans right now. who wants to leave their country but cannot get out? what is to say about us foreign policy, past, present, and future law to get into today? we do want to hear from those of you watching on youtube. so just leave

a comment. leave a question. in the live chat, we do monitor that. we will read them and you can be in the stream as well. ah. so it took the taliban just 10 days to sweep across the canister and regain control of the country. the groups quick rise to power, millions of afghan citizens and fear over the uncertainty of what taliban rule will look like. and confirm reports of taliban fighters entering the homes of cobble residence have put people on edge. i have family and friends across the country, sharing different stories with me, for example, and couple they do have checkpoints across the city where they actually go in and check cell phones to see if there's any sort of the united states affiliation. we're also seeing the taliban go into different communities, requesting food from local restaurants and from just a regular household. and especially we're seeing that they're going into neighborhoods and market houses that are minorities. and so that's very concerning

. i know the last 2 years we've to the taliban really changed their tone. try to turn a new leave. but in reality, this is the same organizations that we've known their oppressive. they want their dominance to be known and they want to be recognized. and i know surely we're going to see the old taliban come out. all this is the lighted states concludes its pull out from the country fever, surely evacuating american personnel and afghan allies. so what lies ahead? joining us from afghan stand to discuss this is pushed on to ron a. she's an educator and the director of learned ethan education nonprofit focusing on afghan women and girls, and in the united states. bribery, when president of global situation room and the former director of global engagement at the white house during the obama administration. welcome to both of you. thank you for joining us. so push on. i'm not sure if you're able to, if you were listening to what it was that lead as he was saying, but does that ring true to you? what are you hearing about what the situation is right now in afghanistan?

hey, i just got in touch with my cousin and that he, he told me that right now in like, you know, people are claiming that, oh, they didn't do anything. everything is that they're just speaking with weapons. my cousin just told me that the bike back there are people like, you know, 7 tags from that, electric generators, whatever you could find a home b to all of those. and he keeps on telling me that, you know, even the appliances are marked down and then back to the ground reality from right now. just a few minutes before. sure. what do you, what are, what is the word for people that want to leave and offer american personnel the late. but for africans that want to leave, how are you all communicating with each other, getting word to each other. if somebody wants to leave right now, do they even know what to do? no, it's not. that's something that everybody has a backup plan, okay. when i am supposed to leave and what should i have in my bag or whatever?

i mean like majority of the people, i don't know if you have seen the eat for to reduce their hard to find modifying. have you seen the going to crying to being left behind or murdering each other to get or to the gate? i'm in different groups, all the groups, keep on saying to each other that the through the close back or so there is no what do you call it? my can as i'm to, for the people who want to fleet are the, it is no like, you know, even the regional countries are not opening up the borders ordered. i wonder if he said like he arctic right now. so right. when you listen to, to what posada is describing is chaotic, what is it that you see and hear as a planner when you hear that? well, you know, it's interesting to hear that account. and then i just got done or listening to the deputy secretary of state, wendy sherman brief, from the podium at the state department. and her spin on this is, well, anyone who wants to can certainly come to me cause i international airport. and we

will process them, but i know not just as a planner, but somebody who serve as american diplomat across africa, iraq, venezuela, a lot harder on the ground. and that unfortunately, i think is the disconnect we have seen and are seeing between the bided administration. who on the one hand has you know, theory and slogan. and on the other hand, the reality certainly of the women and girls and i've got this done. mean, it is heart wrenching, it is heart wrenching that for 20 years. we told them to stand up to be bold, and then we just walked away. and the word from the white house, you know, the word from the president himself. he's not just going to be damaging, and i'm looking at this is somebody who, you know, handle american global engagement for a couple years. it's going to be damaging around the world. mean girls in nigeria. i mean, i remember when we built, let girls learn after the kidnapping of the school girls and chuck nigeria. i mean,

they have got to be worried as they're watching. what's happening and africana stan? i think it's disastrous. so i want to read a couple of comments. are also getting from people on youtube that are watching right now. how do you, adela says it's too soon to judge if they are evil or the saviors of afghan a stand. meaning the taliban we'll, we'll get back to that in just a moment. and then another comment from someone. no, no, says masters have actually been happening for 20 years. it's just that nobody cared . what about that? pushed on it. what do you make there's, there's obviously a lot of a lot of dialogue about this is getting a lot of news coverage in the us. but for years, afghanistan was not something that many people beyond a few reporters actually talked about and gave much attention to what do you make of the fact that it's getting all this attention now, whereas it may have been collected for so long as it's something that we should care about i am so sorry i keep on getting another

yeah, my apologies. i'm back. can you, you know, absolutely. i said, what do you make of the fact that now there are so much attention being paid to what's happening and dance and rightly show what rightly so. but for years and years, that wasn't something that was front and center as an important topic, even though there were thousands of afghan to reducing their lives and, and thousands of american soldiers losing their lives as well. at the moment you have to understand that on the sun one, women, and everybody right now is like, you know, just confused. they don't know what the future we them right there are a lot of the thing that is coming out from cobbled everybody. things are not much about are nice and polite, but then you go to poland, says, and you see there in pieces, where do you see that being closed down? then you saw my own poems and they're telling me that the parents who have been

closed down to being torn up then at the same time the same thing is happening and hit out where guys cannot go to the food. you have to understand that, you know, for 20 years, for 2 decades, we have to give up on all those people. my own district. we lost that or 2200 people so that we could live as id please. in a sense, we didn't another district just for back. can you imagine the things that we had to go through and now for 2300 men with all those they do, we are left between like, you know, in a situation where we don't know how to respond to the us. we do, we don't know where we stand, where we don't know how to, who to reach out to you. exactly. so here i think it's mostly at the same time we are sending out our lenses right now because that's how it would be, were they were not even into the, the, were brought in the us military plane, right? we have to question those alliances. right? you know, the taliban is not an unknown quantity. i mean, we have

a common from someone who we don't know yet. if they're evil or saviors, it's obvious that they are definitely tried to change their image. you know, when they came into into afghanistan in the ninety's, they were there wasn't a lot known about them, but they app, but yeah, absolutely. have a track record now to know who they are. are you buying this, this new and improved image they're trying to put to the world and what is their actual motivation? because it's clear from what we're hearing from, brushed on that regardless of what they're telling people, people are still terrified on the ground. yeah, and you know, i currently work in public relations so i can certainly add detect a p r campaign when i see one. and i think that's precisely what you have yesterday's press conference in. cobble by the taliban. it was an effort to try and quite frankly, just gloss over some of those other less save re and last, quite frankly, justifiable position that the taller bond continues to take. and there are

a lot of generalities. you know, women will have their place under sri a lot at the end of the day. and this is where i want to be very specific. i think the american administration, european, other allies need to seize the moment now. and i know there's a lot of leaders watching from around the world. this is the point at which you need to be very specific about the demand that we're making on the taliban. not just in general, that support women and girls. but what are the things that we as an international community are going to ask the tolerant, and we're going to hold them accountable for what hold on them and say, i want to ask you, does the us, what leverage of the us still have? well, we still still troops at the airport in cobb all, we still have air power and we still quite frankly have a lot of carrots that can be offered. you've heard the american administration speak of them over the. ready last several days that if they want not just diplomatic recognition, but aid,

all of that has to be made contingent on very specific policies, programs and steps that the taliban are going to take. and let's not forget them. and you mentioned, we know who the taliban are. we've also seen over the course the last couple of years in negotiations on this very withdrawal that the taliban have not made good on their promises. so i think there are a lot of questions and we absolutely have to verify we absolutely have to ensure that at this moment we are making very or our expectations and the taliban know it . so and there has been a lot of talk and a lot of concern in particular about what the taliban being back in power actually means for women and girls. and they had a talking about p r. obviously they had a huge press conference yesterday, and there's a couple of something i've been falling on twitter. someone posted a picture of all the journalists that are at the press conference, and one comment specifically says so, where are the female journalists in today's press conference? there was at least one female journalist there,

someone from al jazeera charlotte bellas, who actually put the question to the taliban. what does this mean for women and girls? so i want to play what the taliban has to say, and then we can talk about it on the other side of the mission earlier when we are going to allow women to work on this framework. so it was under the women are going to be very active and the society was within the family. what does that mean to you by shot when you say within the framework of islam, cuz this law means different things to different people. i'm going to go, i just find a very weak every time be use a slam as a ski go for whatever the patriarchal legalistic mean dominated like, you know, i, i just find it funny, i presume time and so thing. when they use shot orders,

not to give good everything but they have to see. i mean like what was unshared? yeah, right now, enough on the sun. what were women doing that is that was not under the law of one . the son is in this country. avalon women are majority of them are most of them with the we're doing everything according to the shed. yeah. i mean, like the islam probably cook off on is on. so what was that the think is now not acceptable under the chevy a lot. and i find it funny every time people in international media asked me if they have change. yes, we have to, you know, they can speak english and they have a very good. yeah. but other than that, we haven't changed from car, apart from car will. do you see any changes? i women going to, you know, a teen hit our, their goods going to school in come back. i be going to work in the come by. if so, then yeah, they have change. if not, then they have not changed and just sticking to that and they are using shot. yeah, it's not as weak terms as possible just to get there. we and there actually are already reports that were saying a women being forced on their jobs,

particularly on from banking jobs. we have some very specific examples of that. and right, i wonder if you think, you know, there may be cases of women being force and their jobs are also maybe cases quite frankly, a women just being scared and almost self censoring and not even leaving the house anymore. how common do you think that was right now? oh, absolutely, and look. i mean, there are a lot of families as well that are just going to try and keep their female members of the family home until it is clearer what the rules will be. what the taliban means when they say that women will have freedoms. and this i think is obviously a very dangerous and delicate situation. ready where one of the things is an american diplomat that i learned is you have to make beachheads. and i think in this moment it's really important for both african women,

but also for the international community. as i was saying earlier, to stand up and to say we insist that these rights that these freedoms are protect it and that we are going to have under or taliban rule a modicum of freedom. and right now, there are a number of areas in which i think, you know, specifically as my co panelists mentioned, girls need to be back in school tomorrow, not next week, not next month. and that ought to be conditioned on any engagement that the international community is going to haven't certainly any that were provided by. he'll listen to something from mom. rashid flame, he's an author and an academic scholar talking about what he thinks that people of afghan is to need. and then we'll talk about it on the other side. what the people need and want is not the taliban. they want accountability and they want the international community to have the will to not sacrifice and other generation of

bonds to death, destruction displacement and loss. just because the number of corporations and a number of countries want to capitalize on the rich resources and geopolitical location of, honest on the afghan people deserve justice. and they demand autonomy and a right to fair and free elections, and the removal of the taliban from the helms of government. hotshot a question on what does that, what does justice mean and look like for you when he says justice. well, but that be for you. yes, this is holding sullivan accountable for whatever he does to us for the past 20 years, just because he went to school just because we were working for the betterment of one of them. that is, just as we are really going to talk about just a just this is we are going to hold accountable all the cut up leaders that the america, i'm the west empowered in the past few decades,

or all the civilian us off out on the sun and they looted up on us, i'm back justice. what is justice in the fax back to 50 percent of the country has to move. all right, just because a few men in presidential centers changed. well, how is that even just this? at the same time, we have to understand that about women right now. need a surety more nissan identity, more need international community to stand by them. right. in the past, what we did was international community empower the elite women of upon us on state . now the civilian women, the stephanie and the international community, has a leverage to you that and sat in philadelphia, but i'm not sure what they are doing because it has been d. i'm international as community has not even a word. i mean, like getting to an airport, it's not something that every women would want. like, everyone wants to leave this country, but the food to do so. there are chances that the international community should

stand up and be just toward the women of on the sun. that's justice brett, what, what does the us push on us that a lot fair. what does the u. s. o africana stand? what is the us specifically a women and girls and you brought up an interesting point a moment ago who is watching this? what are the takeaways that other countries, even other armed groups are getting from this? i mean the taliban played the long game for 20 years and they ended up getting what they wanted. yeah, and look, i think in my view, the united states of america. oh, those brave women and i've kind of stands an enormous debt because they were an inspiration. i mean, i remember sitting at the state department at the white house and hearing the stories of countless towels, of brave race. and yet, you know, unfortunately, president biden has now said, you know, it's just not worth it. it's not worth spending our,

our time and making the investment. and i don't care how much spin is put on it from the white house podium, we have abandonment. and the cost is you rightly. ok, let me ask you that. let's, let's, let's pick that a part a little bit though, abandoned them in the sense that you're saying the u. s. should still be there or abandon them in the sense of the way this was handled. well, i think it both senses 1st. you know, we, i believe sure should have an enduring presence there. that was critical, as we've seen just in the last several days to shoring up the, the confidence and the capabilities of the military for how long remained. well, you know, look it, we have more truth currently in space than we did have enough. gone on this year, i think, you know, with a small presence, certainly over the past year, but over the past 20 years, there weren't thousands of us troops dying in spain. there were thousands of do it

through us troops dying and canister. over the past 20 years. except this year there were no kind of back casualty. so my argument would be that that was worth the price that was worth ensuring that women and girls could go to school, that we could have certain rights and yes, work towards a more perfect form of government. you know, kinda saying you could have elections and the people decide even as an imperfect ok for private what i do and i don't wanna interrupt, pushed on. i wanted to wanted to interact. i had me, here's the thing, i personally am and i one and i, i personally believe that i'm doing my, me foreseeing this back to many things that the american troops, i'm not super heated that i'm not marvel heavy down the something on the what happening and the aliens attack and they are the ones you know, like, you know, seeing the whole world that's, that's not in reality, that's not true, right? to be, couldn't have done back in upon us on either what the, the us could have done is like, you know,

didn't lead to legitimize that the hardy didn't stand by when the taliban were abusing ones. right. when you were abusing the millions in the past the week i lost the family members in the past the weeks and they're the us food by every worse on who was moving their family members and spin back in july in jerry. so i'm, i'm asking this not from the us back to all the way all the western power the call them says like, you know, the leaders of the was and then the stand by and it's not like job. i don't have to put in a lot of money, a lot of effort or something. you just have to pick up a phone and call the office and and tell them stop abusing the civilian or we don't like it might your deal, but he didn't do it. that makes me want to question the leadership that makes me want to question the fact that america presidents and on the, on the was it was it, was it what they are the time that the last all these people all the time and the rest is so much enough on a song i'm in the end of the day,

the couldn't even pick up the phone on pressure. the call abundant not being into not of using the civilian into not a funny sound shop. press on, on what you sound very frustrated, but what i'm also hearing issue sound. you sound abandoned. that's am i putting words in your mouth. that's how it sounds. what you're describing. i, i don't feel abandoned by you. all right, and i didn't want him. i don't, you know, i'm going to be honest, i didn't want an american has been back lived america, people's choice and then do walk. and i think that's how it works on back fine. but the fact that i wanted for president was any, and he leave the country in all this chaos you know, on push and let me ask you, have you, have you watch what he said today? i'm glad you brought that up. what is your reaction? he said that the reason he left is because there was going to be violence and bloodshed. he says that he did not take all the money that he's accused to take him . what is your reaction to what you heard and we're, we're almost out of time,

but i do want to hear what you think of that. the fact that he ok, he didn't take the money. he didn't want the lecture, but then why did he need corruption? the past 4 years, the past all the time that he was empowered. why did he bring in people who would double triple passports to our climate? son who are not sincere towards that? why did he let the follow up on his son let go of them. they did, he didn't contact them, he didn't feed them in confidence. he literally abandoned upon us. i'm in the process and now he sees that he didn't do any of those things that she would actually use if that's the use of towards the civilians. are you going to see it again and again? the west? me by the cut up leaders, the west. any but i live on and they keep on doing this. i've gone women and i've gone civilians. brett, we've got about 30 seconds. you can respond. i think i can rightfully say having both voted for and support good job by that i feel abandoned. i expected better. and i'm, i'm sorely ashamed right now,

and i will continue to do everything i can to raise my voice and to draw attention to it. because i don't think that what we're doing enough kind of stand is in our interest and certainly not in the interests of women and girls in that country region and around the world. that's going to be the final word on this discussion for now. but we will obviously continue the discussion of brett brewing. thank you so much for joining us for shawna jerone. thank you both for joining us. and again, there will be many more conversations to have about this. that is all for now though. thanks to our gas. thank you to our community as well for participating. we had many, many comments on youtube. i tried to get as many of them read as i can, so i'm keep sending them. we'll continue the dialogue. that's all for now until next time. take care. ah, [000:00:00;00]

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