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we listen, see the whole infrastructure and being totally destroyed. we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter on our sierra. ah, hi, i'm rachelle kerry and for for me, okay, and you're in the stream. in the 1st year, the current of virus panoramic parents took comfort that children appear to be a low risk of illness and death from coven 19. but now there are concerns 74000000 and backs americans under the age of 12, maybe more likely to fall sick from the more infectious delta variance. so today we're going to look at how children are now being affected by cobit 19 chair. thought questions, maybe concerns, right. and are you to chat will be monitoring those comments and i'll bring those questions and comments to our panel today. we're going to start today hearing from

and so since she's a policy fellow at dartmouth college and also a parent, we just our kids to make a lot of sacrifices during the pandemic. now we need to ask our policy makers to put their health and education 1st. schools reopen. it's essential that policy makers take rapid action to curb soaring transmission across our communities. at the same time that we need them to implement a strong guidance. that includes universal masking in all k to 12 settings. so to help us work our way through parts of this conversation today, i'm joined by dr. lucy mcbride. she is an internist, kratom ratner as chief of the division of pediatric infectious diseases at n y u land own health and with us from florida state. that is seeing a high rate of children in the hospital after watson,

romano. thank you all for joining me and actually i'm gonna start in florida with you on dr. romano is a piece dr. what is it that you are seeing right now? we are seeing a large number of patients with koby. now it's in the last couple of weeks, the numbers have just stored which is unusual because a year ago we didn't see that many cases and the emergency department or in the area. so what, when the parents come in with their children, what is it that they're proud of children presenting? what is it that the parents are saying that they're seeing typical what you've seen in many respiratory or even gas or just of ours is missing. lot of respiratory symptoms, you know, runny nose, cough, fever, definitely one of the symptoms at that parents are concerned about also vomiting and diarrhea. and occasionally we'll see a rash or so. but any combination of that is what we're seeing. so a lot of those things that you just said it can also be something else and kids,

kids get sick, right. so are you seeing that there are kids that are coming in, that the parents are assuming right away. it's cobra when it may not be cobit. oh, absolutely. as a matter of fact, what's interesting is respiratory assistant to visual bar is also known as r s. v is typically seen here in florida. some it's running late, may be book tobar. we didn't see much of it all year because of, you know, kids, most of the social distance seeing and the masking. and then by the 3rd or 4th week of march, we saw a complete upsurge of all the other viruses. and the equipment is mixed into that. so we were seeing already the virus that we didn't see, we have literally have not seen any flu. and then now add the delta variant as of 34 weeks ago. and you know, you can just see the fear. you know, it's is what we saw happen in adults mostly in the last year. and so

dr. ratner is the delta variance more contagious among kids. i think there's pretty good evidence that the delta variant is, can more contagious among all of us adults and children. and that's part of the reason that we're seeing such high case numbers. now the increasing cases in kids isn't because the delta variant is necessarily more very lent for children. but it's just that there's so much coven circulating in the community that we're seeing more cases in kids. and also that many of the adults, especially the older adults, are vaccinated. now, even in states where the vaccination levels are relatively low compared to other states, many of the folks over 65 or 70 have been vaccinated already. and so this, as many people have said, is, is a pandemic of b unvaccinated now and the unvaccinated our large part of that is children. am i

want to put a question and i'm coming to you doctorate? brought an but i want to put a question to dr. amman that we just got on youtube. specifically the question from effort data. hope i'm saying that right is, what is the recuperation rate in children? are some children more vulnerable than others and why i'm seeing it in all age groups. i think the, the, the children who are getting sicker tend to be kids with some risk factors. these are kids who have immune problems are on chemotherapy. a diabetes is another. and also any more bit of b, c, d is another one. we're seeing some children more likely to be affected. most children will, will recover fine. and it is just a virus and it will support k will. ready do fine, i, dr. mac. right. i see you nodding nodding to that i think that that might be reassuring to some parents to hear that. sure. i mean, as we, oh, i think agree,

you know, this is extraordinarily stress, whole time for, for parents, for families, for anyone really, anybody who's watching the news, anyone who's paying attention to the surging delta variance in our country. you know, it's affecting us all emotionally. it's not physically i'm seeing patients who from a 16 to 96 and my parents, patients are particularly worried because they see what's happening the children and indeed dr. rattan are just explained. the delta various is, is highly contagious. therefore is infecting more unvaccinated on immune people. but it's not thought so far to be targeting kids in particular. you know, the thing i'm telling parents when they're particularly worried is to remember the fact that that most kids is infected with corona virus, even with delta,

will have either no symptoms or mild symptoms. but that can be cold comfort, right? i mean kids are vulnerable because they're unvaccinated, and the way to protect kids is by vaccinating adults in their orbit and in their meds and getting everyone dose one and then does 2 of these extraordinarily effective back in. and we will come back to talking about the vaccines as well. but there's that you specifically wrote a piece for the atlantic doctrine, the prior title, fear of cove it in kids is getting ahead of the data, which is, you know, you are yard, acknowledge that it's not necessarily going to make any parent feel better, but, but it seems that it is important to get the right information to them to let them be aware, but not to over hyper. and i think that puts a lot of responsibility on those journalists to try to do that properly. yeah, it's so difficult, right? because you know, the tragedies among young people abound. and it's,

it's extraordinarily tragic how kids have been the victims of adults in action, frankly. and they are the victims of large loss of the population, not being immune to corona virus. it really breaks my heart at the same time, and this is an and not a but we can take some comfort again, depending on where we live, depending on our child underlying conditions, depending on our household and how immune competent we are in our household. that generally, most kids experience a common cold or no symptoms at all. but again, this is why hopefully, you know, i will always have a job and why you know, the, to find that physicians on his panel will always be important because we, we don't, we, we recommend, you know, particular advice to the particular family, their particular patient in front of us and that's very nuanced, it's hard to message relative risk. and i do agree that your jobs are particularly

difficult. right now. we have some comments from a parent. her name is allison goldberg, who really, i think really crystallize is some of the frustration that parents are feeling and you reference this document. right. let's go ahead and listen to alison i know that there are other meet we're just devastated and outreach that we're dealing with such a desperate situation where you're faced with a medical emergency and an education that have to happen on only our leaders that need the right decision to really take the health and safety seriously and move back into hybrid format and allows kids like my daughters both have a medical mission and also learning disadvantage to continue

to receive the equitable education that they deserve. and they must have and that they need dr. mom, what would you say to a parent like her who is trying to do the best for her kids? obviously, kids being in school is good for their mental health. there's any number of reasons the kids need to be in school, but say you do have children that are immunocompromised and then you're in a state like florida that the governor won't let you mandate math. i'm not trying to pull you into politics, but this issue has been politicized. what would you say to parents like her? i have a you could tell how much pain she's trying to figure out what to do. yeah, absolutely. because some of the families that i see, they say we're doing everything right. but once the kids go to school, it's out of control. you know, we, we are, we've always pushed it for the,

for people to get vaccinated. the masking hand washing, you know, just general common sense things. and, you know, ultimately i heard immediately, it will come into play, but oper takes its toll isn't the only things we have at this point to, to find the virus. but, you know, did the things, as it were, maybe reassuring is the most time it's, it's a mild illness. and the fact that you know, you, you can do the best you can. again, i'm not a politician and you know, it's always been a challenge, but the virus doesn't care who you are, where you live and what you do. it just it where the host and it's going to take it's toll on us. and i want to reference and a few of the headlines and stories that we've seen because you know that the issue now is that kids are going back to school. they just started in some places a week or so ago. and there's going to be more, you know, rolling schools opening. so you know, there's an article in particular that says here, schools can open, safely,

an epidemiologist describes what works and what does is not worth the effort. i'm assuming that all say that something like math work, but already there are kids that are in quarantine. thousands of kids that are in florentine as schools have re open dr. right there, is that something that you expected to see? so i want to go back to what we heard a few minutes ago, which is that this is an emergency. and the what we do to keep children in school now is critically important. i think that everyone on this panel and i imagine all of your viewers agree that kids belong in school. and if we can do in person education safely, that is something that we as a society should be prioritizing. and the way that you do that is you vaccinate, anyone who can possibly be vaccinated, meaning that every teacher in the school should be backs needed. everyone is not

a teacher in the school should be back needed in every kid who's eligible should be vaccinated. and we should be pushing for the younger ages to be opened up for back to me. so let me out as soon as we can and, and just just to say one more thing, sir. there are other mitigation measures that we use in schools masking, distancing limiting of high risk extracurriculars. there's a whole sort of thing. so what we learned over the course of the pandemic and this was hard. one knowledge is that those things work even if people aren't vaccinated . and so you layer these strategies, you, you vaccinate everyone, you can, but you also do the masks and everything else, even though it is painful at this point. but that is how you keep could say that is how you keep kids, how you keep kids in school, and you keep the schools open. and this is, it's an emergency and we have to all work together to do this. headline on an article that you wrote for the daily news is very clear, very clearly says vaccinate kids against coded now. so dr. leitner,

explain what's taken so long. and i know you don't work for the f d a, but explain with taking so long to get to the phase where, where it's approved for kids to get vaccinated. sure, it's a balance. you know, all of these things look what we all want is to be able to give these vaccines and make sure that we're doing it safely. and with every decision we make about medicines for children, we're balancing what we know about safety and what we know about efficacy. and you know what, what the data that we have from adults and from the older group of children that's been vaccinated is that these actions are extremely safe and they work very well. there's concern about, you know, the need for booster shots now. but even in the setting of that, you have incredible protection against hospitalization and severe disease there. you know, there, there have been a couple of side effects that have been found that we did not see in the early trials that have been seen as we've rolled vaccines out to more people. and those

are being followed up. that's an example of the system working, not the system, not working. and you know, everyone who has reviewed these data, the f, d a, b, c, d, c groups. the american academy of pediatrics is in agreement. that the data suggests that that the vaccines are safe and that they are much safer than not being vaccinated, especially now, especially in the setting of delta virus circulating. so what we need to do is expand vaccine eligibility down to the 5 to 11 year old group. so we probably have the data to do that. now f d a n t c have indicated that they're going to be waiting for at least mid to late fall for the, for the 1st round of data from the 5 to 11 year old trials. i would argue that as we've said, this is an emergency and based on the pediatric data, we have now and the 1000000000 literally more than a 1000000000 doses of m. r a vaccines worldwide that we could,

we could be sex scenes at this point. i agree that are right now, this is an emergency and as you just said, and we talked on the phone earlier today that getting kids in school, it should be a national priority. they need school not only for their learning, but also for their social emotional health for their safety. many kids are fed at school and that's one of the only places, like i said, it's the only place they feel safe. so absolutely are to be a national priority. the other well, there's a lot of national priorities right now, but one of them should also be getting on vaccinated adult, their 1st dose. so, as you know, when you have been vaccinated, you are not only less likely to get covered 19 you're less likely to transmit the virus. now has that waned, i should i'm not going to wait. has that diminished a little bit because of the delta variance? yes, but it doesn't mean that vaccinated people are as likely as unvaccinated people to

transmit. when you have had 2 doses, one of these m r n. a vaccines are a single j and a shot. even if you get infected with covered with corona virus, you're less likely to get, you're very likely to die or end up in the hospital. but you're also very unlikely to shed virus a symptom. natalie, such that you can effect other people, namely unvaccinated kids. one of the things i come across regularly in my adult patients is, is vaccine skepticism, not anti back so much but skepticism about its ability to reduce transmission to other people. and that's often why explain how you know, maybe you're not worried about yourself. maybe you're not worried about getting yourself, but when you understand that getting back to make yourself protect our most vulnerable population, right, and protect and then people are often way because i think one of the main problems here is not getting adults. there are for shocks. ok, so that's, that's

a question. i spend a lot of time on a great, great, so let me, let me put this to you. we did see vaccinations drop after there was an initial rush to try to get people and vaccinated. how skeptical do you think some parents might be to get their kids vaccinated once it's it's officially, you know, out there and there's the push for dr. amman, how do you, how do you think parents are going to deal with it? well, most be honest with you, i guess i also a lot of the families, you know, they vaccinated and there's a lot of skepticism after i off the child turns positive then it's a little different story is realize that something, you know, they are responsible right now for that child getting, getting impacted is a lot of skepticism. and typically what you'll hear is i read that and then data data. that's what you hear a lot all the time. and i just just one thing on mosque. i have seen more 2 year olds, keep them going and i've seen adults get really good about her. and i really want

to stress that because it's almost if you make it fun, they'll do it. and i think school started last week here. so i expect to see a lot more kids are concerned or more coven, than in the coming week or 2. and just to, and i know a lot of stuff we can talk about, but i'm little concerned. and i can chime in of the inflammatory disease. now that more kids are affected time motel, we're going to see more kids with the inflammatory rare complication of inflammatory disease or something. and just, just to comment on that briefly i, i think that you're right. i mean, so there's this multi system inflammatory disease in children that can happen. rarely, after cove, it infection. there is also the potential for complications like long coded. and the way that we deal with this is we keep children from getting covered in the 1st

place. and so that goes back to everyone around them being vaccinated and vaccinating kids as soon as we can and, and masking and all, all of the other things. but, but you're right, i think that you're the increase in pediatric hospitalizations. the increase in paediatrics depths that we're seeing now isn't necessarily a morbidity like virus. it's that we're seeing so many more pediatric infections now. and a lot with those that, that increase in pediatric impressions. we're going to see more of these rare complications. so i think that you're right, i think we should prepare for an increase and cases of that and planetary syndrome in the coming weeks. since we do have an international audience, i definitely want to try to broaden this out this a little bit. and i want to play some comments from a doctor in india doctrine and v in fact are talking about and how the delta vary and it is played out there, particularly with children. let's listen to that is going to be really explode. you

2nd level with 19 new to our incense studies. so children were really interested in this new in, in region to foster meal, which was due to all other variation and ready to use it. we must remember when large number of children created hospital. but most of children and already on while it takes on even when so we really are all in this together. i think that this pandemic has really, really driven that point home. and we have a comment from our not aurora on youtube that says india has been vastly incapable of providing vaccinations to it. citizens in the country is now moving back to the norm without many for caution. what are your thoughts on, on developing nations? there's someone who sounds very, very concerned. i mean, dr. mcbride, just just talk about how important it is that it's not ok. one country is doing

better in another country or country isn't that we all need to get better at this. that's why this is a global pandemic. and one of the things that i was distressed about yesterday was the talk about giving people 3rd doses and a blanket statement about all americans eating a booster shot after 8 months. when, if you know, most of the scientists epidemiologist and public health experts that i trust at least based on the data i'm looking at. you know, the science doesn't support a 3rd dose for every american. what. what the, at the same time we want to boost the immune protection of those of us in our, in our communities in the united states who are at highest where people who are, you know, compromise people who have solid organ transplants, people who are elderly and have underlying health conditions, absolutely. they deserve to be and have that extra protection. what i love to see more people united states have does one really work on outreach and media people

where they are to get adults and those eligible for the vaccine does one. and then given our global allies doses, because the more that we give overseas the less we continue to see this, the virus run rough shot through the, through the globe. it's not only the right thing to do and help us to, to vaccinate our global allies. and to reduce the chance of further variance that can potentially escape and the protection from fans, which of course hadn't happened yet. that's remark are almost out of time, but i want to put the final question to you and i just wanted to, i got a note from the producers that are monitoring youtube that says that we still have so many comments from people that are skeptical that cobra is real, i mean when people come in with their sick children, are you still dealing with people dr. ahmad, who still does seem to not be living in reality? oh yeah, we do see it. you know, we get challenged on, on the, you know, the,

the reality of it, but it's not as common. but there are definitely people the folks that don't believe vaccinations and in general are going to say that i can tell you that in my practice over the years that you normally see one or 2 people that are not facts and kids a year that are not vaccinated now it's literally every shipped. so there's definitely been a, maybe a global shift in that direction of not back sitting. and this just views the misconceptions that we see with the coven vaccine. but once they start to see it in their child is sick, i think it may be just too late at that point. wow. but i have to, i think i'm after. i mean, i'm going to have to wrap and i'm gonna have to wrap their doctor my, my apologies for putting you in that position. but thank you all for, for your, your time, your expertise on the work that you're doing in this time. we really appreciate it

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