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conducted under difficult circumstances. i cannot promise with the final outcome will be what it will be that it will be without risk of loss. but as commander in chief, i can assure you that i will mobilize every resource necessary. and as an american, i offer my gratitude to the brave men and women of the us armed forces are carrying out this mission. are incredible. as we continue to work the logistics of evacuation were in constant contact on the tale bon, working to ensure civilians have safe passage to the airport. the committee to protect journalists is warning the women are particularly at risk of taliban persecution. it says since they took power, 2 prominent female journalist have been bought from their jobs. the death toll from saturdays earthquake in haiti has risen to nearly 2200 people and was southern haiti's only medical oxygen plant damage. hospitals are struggling to treat the

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news, billions of dollars of the dentist and financial reserves have been frozen. and international aid has been put on hold. could this effect to paula barnes ability to keep the country running? or will it mostly impact the afghan people? this is inside story. ah . hello and welcome to the program. i'm having jim, jim, i've dentist in the world 7 support country and mostly relies on aid. now it's economic prospects look even more bleak. the united states has frozen more than $9000000000.00 of afghanistan's international reserves held in its central bank. and the international monetary fund has suspended payment of more than

$460000000.00 for afghan. a stand as part of a corona virus relief program. more financial measures are likely to be imposed by western capitals as they put pressure on the taliban leaders. they promised to form an inclusive government and ensure the nation will become a safe haven for other groups. the international community says it is waiting to see how this will be implemented on the ground. many warned that without international recognition and donation, the group might not be able to govern and pay salaries. i am f spokesman, jerry rice said in a statement. there is currently a lack of clarity within the international community regarding recognition of an african government. as a consequence, it cannot access the special drawing rights or other i m f resources. all right, let's take a closer look at how the taliban supports itself. the group is estimated to have an annual income of up to $1600000000.00 for you in says that includes external financial support such as donations from wealthy individuals and charitable foundations. a well documented source of income for the taliban is the trade in

opium and other drugs. but with the taliban controlling all the country's major trade route, the group makes more money from taxes on legal goods such as fuel food and other essentials as they transit border crossings. the world bank estimates more than 75 percent of afghanistan's public spending is funded by grants. halting aid is expected to accelerate poverty in the country. nearly half of the population were already living below the poverty line. last year, unemployment is close to 12 percent at a quarter of those who work earn less than $2.00 a day. the currency is set to further depreciate and that could push up food prices . ah, all right, for more on this i'm joined by i guess it's stumble is harun raimie. assistant professor of law at american university of afghanistan in washington dc is marvin wine bomb director of afghanistan and pakistan. studies at middle east institute, washington d. c. and in london is clear, minority founder and ceo of penalty,

a wire group, a geopolitical consultancy, a warm welcome to you all. and thanks for joining us today on inside story harun, let me start with you. you tweeted that stopping the flow of funds into afghanistan will punish millions, 99 percent of the population that can't or won't leave. we need to care for them too. so i'd like to get your thoughts on the kind of impact that all this will have on afghan citizens. absolutely, i mean, honest on has huge trade deficit. we finance that trade deficit mostly true for an 8. now the foreign aid is in jeopardy. and upon a government upon the great now does not have access to it or in reserve, because the situation of governance, who's actually in charge is right now being negotiated. as a result of that, the currency is depreciating fast. and if we don't have enough

u. s. the injected in the market soon, the prices may continue to rise right now there are rumors that cobble the price of our, the increase. true for that in many, in many instances. there's also psychology around us that the many people may fear as the value of a depreciates and people are leaving. they may want to buy more usb and it may become ambitious cycle. i think there is a need for confidence building that interact. somebody should signal the i could think particular that they will not brisk, deteriorating the economy any further. i mean, we all eyes are couple airport and they should be because that's a bay dire situation. but 90 not more than 99 percent of our cars are still need to stay there and make a living and continue with many of their economic activities and those that need some interventions, satellite and economy that is in dire need of this right now. marvin, just to try to put some of this in more perspective, these assets and funds that have been frozen. this is not the same as if the u. s.

had put sanctions on the taliban. lead government, right. i mean, in order to place sanctions on a taliban lead government that would need us congressional approval? correct? that's right. that's right. what, why did i share the concerns of the last speaker? but it's undoubtedly the case that the united states and, and other powers, including international agencies, will use this lever of financial support as perhaps the only way in which they have to influence the telephone at this point. and that's why it's unlikely that they're going to open up their coffers completely the way it may very well needs in terms of people's difficulties. so i think we're just going to see this, this as, as something along with recognition,

which is going to be described as well. let's see how they perform. and then we'll decide what we're going to do. chrisman, i've got to stands, economy is already fragile. it has been for a long time, it's heavily dependent on international aid. how much does this now complicate the situation for the kind of standard economy? that's a good question. i think it depends on who you are in the situation. if you're, if you're an investor on wall street, what's been happening and i've got, has done as a primary order effect probably won't affect you too much at all. and the economy is integrated. that's all really into the wider economic architecture. but if you're living currently in the situations, very different. so the economy is really based on 2 fundamental factors. it's aid that comes in support from the i m f. and also on the telephone side, it's fun to come through which the telephone types now are going to be the status

quo politically in the country. now they have to find the way in order to find state expenditure, paying people salaries and keeping the economy and civil society moving and building trust of the people. the last parts will be difficult for the 1st, but it's also equally difficult harun. you heard chris when they're talking about the need for building trust among afghanistan's people, and how difficult will that be for the taller bond to do or any kind of inclusive government or transitional government that forms whenever that may be, it is going to be the most difficult task ahead, and it's all interlinked. i mean, the inclusive of the, of the government is going to determine the legitimacy of the government in the eyes of people. that would also be linked to the issue of international timothy. but i think you, we have to keep conflicts in mind. pull up on, have been running a moodle. they have considered many of funds who worked for the government,

mostly the educated class who worked in deals and help with the us operations as benjamin target date targeted them through the nation complex attacks and such. now they tell those people do not worry. we won't target you stay and help us government that take a lot more than those award for those people to stay and actually contribute and just controlling the borders or maybe making statements that may not be enough. you need to build trust as you said. and i really don't know how they can do it in short term, but putting those words into action, cutting, holding those fighters that have reportedly abuse the population, or when to people's houses demanding the people had over their cars or some reported appraisal. would it be per person per place to stop, to ensure that is a sense of rule of law, ensure that people, property, and personal safety are not going to be affected by this. those are going to be the

floor. but beyond that, you have to give people something place they want to live in. i mean, a lot of people are feeling that appointment is not a place they going to be living anymore to talk about control the honest thought because they will not be enjoying the freedoms of basic human freedoms. that they came to expect, at least in major urban centers, into stimulating an economy and stopping the brain drain. they have to do a lot more and they have to do it by because i think the situation is already unfolding in a bake just dropping away. marvin, i saw you nodding along to some of what harun was saying, so i wanted to ask you 1st, if you had a reaction to some of his remarks. secondly, i want to ask you if you believe that what the u. s has done, it will give us any leverage over the taller bond going forward. the us is in a position now we are indicated its focus almost entirely on the evacuation of those americans and the others who have been assisting the united states is

unlikely. and given the political pressures here in this country to do very much, which is conciliatory. so the africans, while it's certainly these reports that are coming in the town bond house, i have been not living up to what they are saying that their plan that they're willing to do in terms of not to city retribution and it other behavior. i think that we have to see this, the larger terms is larger context. we have to ask, what kind of governance does that tell about and really wants, right? certainly they would want to have as many of the civil service thing on as possible, but a good portion of the service civil service is women. so there's a, a media really an issue. also, we have to also understand that the bond lack the administrative skills themselves

. they are forming a council. now people who essentially will be the ministers. but these people individually have no true experience. the only experience that the taliban has had in administration because there was personally no administration in 1990 that was left through international agencies and then g o diploma called charter organizations. but they have to decide now, oh what, to what extent do they really want to govern in any fashion like the republic on and they just may not have the capacity to do that. clear. marvin, there was making an important distinction, you know, trying to run a country. and a governor country is very different than, than, than battlefield wins. you know, and from your vantage point, is this something that the taliban is really going to be struggling with for the

last 20 years that the telephone has pay defense. played sort of the underdog in terms of who gets to control and administer the country. now that they are the status quo, the game changes for the no longer are they sort of on, on the, on the edges. and are there an excuse for not being there because the american, the american going to need to do this. moving on into the future, i think there's 2 big threats for the taliban. welcome. internally one externally and turn me. we will see how there are divisions develops, how they put people in places of power inside the country. also dramatically. who do they send as investors to other parts of the world and will they be accepted? will open up. and there may be some inviting that happens within the taliban as time. positive, depending on how, how power is structured and who gets what piece of the pie. and i've done this done also extra, maybe already see the northern alliance to rebel against the taliban. now that the

text and the banks have said that they are willing to fight to, to make sure the taliban don't secure control. and that is another focus point for the other one. if they are going to rule successfully, which many hope they don't do well. how rude, obviously. right now it's really unknown. what's gonna happen? what kind of a government may form, how long that might take. let me ask you this. if the taliban is ultimately isolated internationally, are they going to be able to draw enough, you know, skilled people talented people from inside afghanistan to carry out the kind of projects that are necessary to develop infrastructure and to govern the country? i mean, i think given the signals we are here from the countries in the region, new rochelle, for example, china, many countries the signal that they are willing to accept and talk about controlled upon the sun. they said that they are working and encouraging telephone to formally

quicker government. i think that what i hear from regional countries continue to read signaling is that the customers are unlikely to become a prior state, even if they keep up appearances like they don't have to completely deliver under promises. but if they actually try to keep up appearances and read some sort of like may even mis maintain some sort of a status quo in terms of what they're saying and their actions. they will repeat eliza massey by some countries. but europe and the u. s. may we willing to hold you accountable to higher standard and we will likely see spread like that. and of course in that kind of conflict can paula but actually govern? will they be able to actually generate enough investments and funds to keep the basic level of likelihood in the country and stuff revolved basically again against them or into this order into the refugee? that would be a supplies the read more. i think that to remain the question to be answered right

now. what i observed like what we can see when i talk to people in many parts of the country, the civil stuff, they said they are told to come back in most places. but when they go back, often, they are told that their salary may be uncertain, decided maybe cut. you have to do like half a 1000000 people in the honest receiving some sort of government salary were employed and education or security factors, half a 1000000 people. and those people future are danger vendor and they may need to have to be selective in terms of who they keep and they are likely to put their people who are logically aligned with them in certain positions that the undermined the competence of some of those institution and the question you asked in terms of, but they will be able to bind enough educated people to actually man the government and make sure that the basic services are delivered. that that as we speak, that is being a challenge. for example, they haven't heard reports that when i talk to people, they say that it is hard to get credit cards in cobble to actually maintain the

communication. and you can realize we can see how that could happen. i mean, a lot of engineers, people, you need to keep the telecommunication running, need to keep the orbit and electricity grid, actually a tricity and a water good. actually, an affective airlines running all those things. the court is skilled technical engineers, often many of them international, not local, and all those people are either in id order split and to talk about i would have a very hard time convincing them to come back. if they don't do something bold in terms of poetry and delivering the problems they made, we haven't seen those bold action yet her. and let me also just follow up with you and ask you how you believe this might impact the flow of humanitarian aid to afghanistan. obviously, it's a dire humanitarian situation there. right now there are many aid groups there you in, agencies are trying to raise hundreds of millions of dollars to help the population there. the freezing of these assets, the fact that it will get more complicated to get money into the country. how will

that impact delivery of much needed humanitarian aid going forward? that's a, that's a grave concern of mine. especially since they said they all the eyes are on the airport and we are maybe not paying attention to the entire country. that's a half a 1000000 people, depending on government salary, the government does not have enough money to pay their salary. what are those people do? the remittance is also simply important, honest on people sending money back home. and mister union said that they're going to stop operating and up until the tuition improve, i think you have to also realize that a horrible is facing a drought and in colbert is still going on. i mean, if comes complicated for international aid organizations to work there, and we don't see commitments the internet of different countries in terms of a, you know, a part of that was a commitment approach to actually function the way it was functioning weeks ago. and now maybe it will be hard for many countries to convince their citizens that

they will be sending money and, and controlled upon a thought if thought about failed to deliver under promises of respect the woman, right? i mean, it may create, it may worse than an already unfolding humanitarian crisis to the point that we may actually problem may actually become even more oppressive. because you have to realize that people are having economic situations that is ground for more instability that is drawn from are fighting the resistance of already merged. those are, i think, going to be exacerbated, if people do not the a dividend from the devoted a piece of power. but our brit driving a lot of support from because a lot of people right now are ultimately what's all about because there is some sort of peace emerging most of the country. and if the people don't, they see the livelihood upper grade me. they may after change their opinion as to why the color but because meant for the country. marvin, from your perch there in washington d. c. what do you believe has to happen in order for the us to ultimately unfreeze

these assets and reserves and to make them available once more to the afghan central bank? i say it's been suggested by the speakers. we're all looking at the park at the performance on the top one. i did point to point out here that we have to understand that they haven't, here it is a political system. i left it on the mac system, which is something far greater than they had ever had to deal with in the ninety's . now they have a complex much larger population. the cities in the ninety's were largely the populated. they take it on a challenge here which and not only are they, you know, prepared for. but conceptually, i think that they, although they say they want to replicate what was accomplished in terms of governance, basic governors. but the fact is, when it comes to the priorities,

i believe that they'll put their ideological priorities pretty high on the scam. or they, they are like they'll likely to resist, or even those decisions that they have to make in order to, to, to create a more efficient administrative assistant. if you feel that it is violating some of their basic principles. so we're dealing here with a, with a, i, a new government here which has conceivably, a much narrow view of what governance is. and there were judging them internally about what we think a modern state has to do. their ultimate destination here is a true genuine islam of state and in their mode of thinking be it's wonderful to have all this assistance. we need it. we would,

we welcome recognition. we read, right, we welcome the forms of financial assistance certainly. but the question is, what are they willing to pay to receive the equipment? what else could the taliban do in order to get their hands on funds and revenue streams? and also, what other countries do you believe are going to be stepping in to support f? can or stand down, or are we going to see china stepping in? are we going to see russia stepping in more now? i think when it comes to that question, apart from the activity that they've been engaged in to fund themselves when it comes to the state to the very writing thing they need, you know, more legitimate and much more revenue generating for the income aid from the west. and it's for now has been, has been froze, that has been cut. so if you look, rescue must turn east. and although i don't think any major player in china or russia are prepared yet to do business with the taliban because they still don't

know the shape and the nature of what that would look like. that certainly the pivot is certainly was going to be necessary for them to maintain any kind of economic economic equilibrium that will allow them to govern in the short term. but if you ask the chinese what, because opportunities are going to start naturally, it will be mining naturally, be extending that both jordan and rhode initiative to a dentist on the russians really do not have any. you can on the game to make right now out of i've got a thought is more strategic pay for them. and i believe, and they always encountered to the united states. you see that across the world from libya to syria, and throw that they will continue to play. but for sure over the over the short to mid term. i think income will be a focal point for the taliban because they know setting poppy seeds around the world is going to be enough to to keep them up of water. her and we only have about 90 seconds left. let me ask you 1st. if the taliban is worried by these moves to

freeze the assets and also do you believe that the taliban thinks that it can ultimately convince the u. s. and the rest of the world to allow money and assets back into i've kind of sent i think they are very concerned. and you can see that in the rhetoric of the dilemma spokesperson and other protocol of an account, what they are trying to do. i think strategy is to decouple domestic policies from interact, recognition, basically thing that they're willing to act as a responsible member of international committee. meaning that they will establish countries on them so from being use against other countries. and they will not attack any other countries in the region and nick city, they want international commission. they are basically saying leave our domestic affairs out of it. we get to decide based on our values over systems of what kind of government we want a policy be. so that's their pitch that be let the decouple be. we're going to deal with you under international law. that's what they say. but you are,

you are required to leave us alone in terms of how we govern internally. obviously, that is not, that is not something that the, at least the state of europe in countries are going to go along with. because they would have to convince the population that they are the money they're sending it up on a start or the country to be working with, you know, honest on respect to basic human rights of women at all. that isn't. i think that is the biggest challenge you're facing, and i agree that the so far wanted contradictory things. they were wanted to benefit from the west and age and at the same time they want to establish emerge. now the woman, the choice, they have to make sure you compromise and come with the grab with the reality. what did they will make those choices? what would they make and what are the consequences? choices for the people in addition to the movement. just have to wait and wait and see. all right, well we have run out of time. we're going to have to leave the conversation. no, thanks so much. all of our guest room, our he, me, marvin wind bomb and cleese min moratti's and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website or 0 dot com. and for

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