after being kidnapped from iraq, the eventually ended up in turkey. just last year they were united with their older brother and sister. now the cannot speak their mother tongue and unable to join school in northern iraq. the only way for shadow to communicate with them is through a translation app. he struggles to provide for them because he has no work and no prospects let them run. and we wish we can leave the country and migrate. my sister mirror wants to go to school everyday. she asks me either put me in school like the rest of the kids will take me outside of iraq. the whole day, the family is searching for their parents orphans born twice and are being raised by strangers. and thousands of iraq, the in syrian children are growing up without future prospects in a world which seems to have ignored the suffering some of and without the 0. the hook, northern iraq. ah, this is al jazeera, these are your top stories. the taliban co founder has no right to cobble for talks

to form a new government molar. abdul ghani bada that the groups negotiations in doha, the taliban says a future government will be inclusive. charlotte bellis has more from cobble. i talked to some tele by members. the other day and they said it's still very much in flux. negotiations are ongoing. mulberry came in from door. ha, he's a political chief. he landed in candle earlier this week and has a high level delegation to cobble as part of forming this new government negotiating, even with form of government leaders. us president joe biden, promising to evacuate all remaining americans and allies stranded inside afghanistan. he described the operation as one of the largest and most difficult air lifts in history. biden is facing increasing criticism at home, but he says significant progress has been made and the us forces are on track to complete the withdrawal by the end of the month. despite us assurances, tens of thousands of people are still trying to get out of afghanistan,

6 days after the taliban. so because he's 12, people have been killed in and around the australia has recorded a new daily record of corona, virus infections with nearly 900 cases. but despite the increase restrictions to stop, the spread of the more infectious delta variance have been met by protests, police broke up an anti locked on demonstration and sidney. the health minister called the rallies selfish and urged people to reconsider the broader community. catholics, inter lanka have put out black flags to demand justice for the victims of the 20. 19 easter bombings, many angry of what they call the government. incomplete. a non transparent investigation into the attacks a kill more than 260 people. those are your headlines so far today. the news continues here on out to 0 of the inside story. we'll have another half hour of news for you in about 30 minutes. we'll see you then how many nukes is too many

new america has in many ways driven the arms parties are much more like the british parties. now, there are fewer regulation to own a tiger than their our own a dog. how can this be happening? your weekly take on us politics and society, and that's the bottom line. the billions of dollars of afghanistan financial reserve had been frozen. and international aid has been put on hold. could this effect to paula barnes ability to keep the country running? or will it mostly impact the afghan people? this is inside story. ah . hello and welcome to the program. i'm having a jammed room. i've dentist in the world 70 poorest country and mostly relies on aid. now it's economic prospects look even more bleak. the united states has frozen

more than $9000000000.00 of afghanistan's international reserves held in its central bank. and the international monetary fund has suspended payment a more than $460000000.00 for afghanistan as part of a corona virus relief program. more financial measures are likely to be imposed by western capitals as they put pressure on the taliban leaders. they promise to form an inclusive government and ensure the nation will become a safe haven for other groups. the international community says it is waiting to see how this will be implemented on the ground. many warned that without international recognition and donations, the group might not be able to govern and pay salaries. i m f, spoke to jerry rice said in a statement. there's currently a lack of clarity within the international community regarding recognition of an african government. as a consequence, it cannot access the special drawing rights or other i m f resources. all right, let's take a closer look at how the taliban supports itself. the group is estimated to have an annual income of up to $1600000000.00 for you in says that includes external

financial support such as donations from wealthy individuals and charitable foundations. a well documented source of income for the taliban is the trade in opium and other drugs. but with the taliban controlling all the countries major trade route, the group makes more money from taxes on legal goods, such as fuel food and other essentials as they transit border crossings. the world bank estimates more than 75 percent of afghanistan's public spending is funded by grants. halting aid is expected to accelerate poverty in the country. nearly half of the population were already living below the poverty line. last year, unemployment is close to 12 percent at a quarter of those who work earn less than $2.00 a day. the currency is set to further depreciate and that could push up food prices . ah, all right, for more on this i'm joined by i guess it's stumble is harun raimie. assistant professor of law at american university of afghanistan in washington,

dc is marvin wine bomb director of afghanistan and pakistan. studies at middle east institute, washington d. c. and in london is clear, minority founder and ceo of penny a wire group, a geopolitical consultancy, a warm welcome to you all. and thanks for joining us today on inside story harun, let me start with you. you tweeted that stopping the flow of funds into afghanistan will punish millions, 99 percent of the population that can't or won't leave. we need to care for them too. so i'd like to get your thoughts on the kind of impact that all this will have on afghan citizens. absolutely, i mean, honest on has huge trade deficits. we find out that trade deficit mostly true for an 8. now the for an aide is in jeopardy and honor on government upon it. right now does not have access to it's for and reserved because the situation of

governance who's actually in charge is right now being negotiated. as a result of that, the punishment currency is depreciating fast, and if we don't have enough us the injected in the market soon, the prices may continue to rise right now there are rumors that cobble the price of our, the increase to pull that in many, in many instances, there's also psychology around us that the many people may fear as the value of a depreciates and people are leaving. they may want to buy more usb and it may become ambitious cycle. i think there is a need for confidence building that internet. somebody should signal the particular that they will not brisk, deteriorating on economy any further. i mean, we all eyes are a couple airport and they should be because that's a bay dire situation. but 90 not more than 99 percent of our cars are still need to stay there and make a living and continue with many of the economic activities and those that need some

interventions to establish an economy that is in dire need of its ability. they should right now, marvin just to try to put some of this in more perspective, these assets and funds that have been frozen. this is not the same as if the u. s. had put sanctions on the taliban, lead government, right? i mean, in order to place sanctions on a taliban lead government that would need us congressional approval? correct? that's right. that's right. what, why did i share the concerns of the last speaker? but it's undoubtedly the case that the united states and, and other powers, including international agencies, will use this a lever of financial support as perhaps the only way in which they have to influence the telephone at this point. and that's why it's unlikely that they're going to open up their coffers completely on the way it may have very well needs

in terms of people's difficulties. so i think we're just going to see this, this as, as something along with recognition, which is going to be described as well. let's see how they perform. and then we'll decide what we're going to do. chris, man, i've kinda stands economy is already fragile. it has been for a long time, it's heavily dependent on international aid. how much does this now complicate the situation for the kind of stand economy? that's a good question. i think it depends on who you are in the situation. if you're, if you're invest on wall street, what's been happening and i've got it done as a primary order effect probably won't affect you too much at all. the economy is integrated. that's all really into the wider economic architecture. but if you're living currently in the situations, very different. so the economy is really based on 2 fundamental factors. it's aid

that comes in support from the i m f. and those are the funds that come through which the telephone tax now are going to be the status quo politically in the country. now they need to find the way in order to fund state expenditure, paying people salaries and keeping the economy and civil society moving and building trust of the people. the last parts were being more difficult for the 1st, but it's also equally difficult harun, you heard crispin, they're talking about the need for building trust among afghanistan's people. and how difficult will that be for the taller bond to do, or any kind of inclusive government or transitional government that forms whenever that may be, it is going to be the most difficult task ahead. and it's all interlinked. i mean, the inclusive of the, of the government is going to determine the legitimacy of the government in the eyes of people that would also be linked to the issue of international timothy. i

think you, we have to keep context in mind. pull up on have been running a moodle, they have considered many of funds who worked for the government, mostly the educated class who worked in deals and help with the us operations as benjamin target date targeted them through the nation complex attacks and such. now they tell those people, do not worry, we won't target you they and help us government that take a lot more than those ward for those people to stay and actually contribute and a just controlling the borders or maybe making vague statements that may not be enough you need to build trust as that, and i really don't know how they can do it in short term. but putting those words into action, cutting, holding those fighters that have reportedly abused the population or when to people's houses, demanding people had over their cars or some reported appraisal. going to be the

1st person 1st place to stop to ensure that is a sense of rule of law, ensure that people, property, and personal safety are not going to be affected by this. those are going to be the floor. but beyond that, you have to give people something to replace the one to live in. i mean, a lot of people are feeling that appointment is not a place they're going to be living anymore and controlled upon a thought because they would not be enjoying the freedoms and basic human freedoms that they came to expect, at least in major urban centers into stimulating an economy and stopping the brain drain, they have to do a lot more and they have to do it by because i think the situation is already unfolding in a bake this profit away. marvin, i saw you nodding along to some of what harun was saying, so i wanted to ask you 1st, if you had a reaction to some of his remarks. secondly, i want to ask you if you believe that what the u. s has done, it will give us any leverage over the taller bond going forward. the us is in a position now we are indicated its focus almost entirely on the evacuation of those

americans and the others who are assisting the united states is unlikely. and given the political pressures here in this country to do very much, which is conciliatory. so the africans, while it's certainly these reports that are coming in the town by house, i have been not, not living up to what they are saying that their plan that they're willing to do in terms of not to seeking retribution and it other behavior. i think that we have to see this in the larger terms is larger context. we have to ask, what kind of governance does that tell about and really wants, right? certainly they would want to have as many of the civil service thing on as possible . but a good portion of the service civil service is women. so guess it immediately an

issue. also, we have to also understand that the bond lack the administrative skills themselves . they are forming a council. now people who are essentially will be the ministers. but these people individually have no true experience. the only experience that the taliban has had in administration because there was personally no administration in 1990 that was left to international agencies and n g o and there's diploma god charter organizations. but they have to decide now, oh, what, what extent do they really want to govern in any fashion, like the republic on and they just may not have the capacity to do that. lisman and marvin, there was making an important distinction. you know, trying to run a country and a governor country is very different than, than,

than battlefield wins. you know, and from your vantage point, is this something that the taliban is really going to be struggling with for the last 20 years that the telephone has pay defense. they played sort of the underdog in terms of who gets to control and administer the country. now that they are the status quo, the game changes for them no longer are they sort of on, on the, on the edges. and are there an excuse for not being there because the american, the american going to need to do this. moving on into the future, i think there's 2 big threats for the taliban. welcome. internally one. certainly in turn me, we will see how they're all in addition developed how they put people in places of power inside the country. also dramatically. who do they send as investors to other parts of the world and will they be accepted? will open up. and there may be some inviting that happens within the time about as time passed, depending on how,

how power is structured and who gets what piece of the pie. and i've done this done also extra, maybe already see the northern alliance, the rebel against the talent. but now that the text and the best have said that they are willing to fight to, to make sure that the taliban don't secure control. and that is another focus point for the other one. if they are going to rule successfully, which many hope they don't do well. how rude obviously, right now it's really unknown. what's gonna happen? what kind of a government may form, how long that might take? let me ask you this. if the taliban is ultimately isolated internationally, are they going to be able to draw enough, you know, skilled people talented people from inside afghanistan to carry out the kind of projects that are necessary to develop infrastructure and to govern the country? i mean, i think given the signals we are here from the countries in the region,

new rochelle, for example, china, many countries the signal that they are willing to accept and talk about controls upon the sun. they said that they are working and of course you call upon to formally quickly government. i think what i hear from regional countries continue to read signaling is that they are unlikely to become a prior state, even if they keep up appearances like they don't have to completely deliver under promises. but if they actually try to keep up appearances and read some sort of like may even mis maintain some sort of a status quo in terms of what they're saying and their actions they will receive literacy by some countries. but europe and the u. s. may we willing to hold you accountable to higher standard and we will likely see spread like that. and of course in that kind of conflict can paula but actually govern? will they be able to actually generate enough investments and funds to keep the

basic level of likelihood in the country and stuff revolved basically again against them or into this order exit refugee? that would be the reason more. i think that's the main, the question to be answered right now. what i observed like what we can see when i talk to people in many parts of the country, the civil stuff, they said they are told to come back in most places. but when they go back, often, they are told that their salary maybe uncertain, decided maybe cut. you have to do like half a 1000000 people in all honesty, receiving some sort of government salary were employed and education or security factors, half a 1000000 people. and those people future are danger, danger, and they may need to have to be selective in terms of who they keep and they are likely to put their people who are logically aligned with them in certain positions that the undermined the competence of some of those institution and the question you ask in terms of what they will be able to and enough educated people to actually man the government and make sure that the basic services are delivered.

that that as we speak, that is being a challenge. for example, they haven't heard reports that when i talk to people, they say that it is hard to get credit cards in cobble to actually maintain the communication. and you can realize we can see how that could happen. i mean, a lot of engineers, people, you need to keep the communication running, need to keep the organ and electricity. it's actually a tricity and a water good actually be an affective airlines running all those things. the court is skilled technical engineers, often many of them international, not local, and all those people are either in id order split and a ton of what i would have a very hard time convincing them to come back. if they don't do something bold in terms of poverty and delivering other problems they made, we haven't seen those bold action yet her. and let me also just follow up with you and ask you how you believe this might impact the flow of humanitarian aid to afghanistan. obviously, it's a dire humanitarian situation there. right now, there are many aid groups. there. are you in agencies that are trying to raise

hundreds of millions of dollars to help the population there? the freezing of these assets, the fact that it will get more complicated to get money into the country. how will that impact delivery of much needed humanitarian aid going forward? that's a, that's a grave concern of mine. especially since they said they all the eyes are on the airport and we are maybe not paying attention to the entire country. this is half a 1000000 people dependent on government salary. the government does not have enough money to pay their salary. what are those people do? the re mentioned is also simply important, honest on people sending money back home. and mister union said that they're going to stop operating and up until the tuition improve. i think you have to also realize it a horrible facing a drought and it cobit is still going on. i mean, if it becomes complicated for international 8 organizations to work there, and we don't see commitments the up internet of different countries in terms of a,

you know, a part of that was a commitment pledge to actually function the way it was functioning weeks ago. and now maybe it will be hard for many countries to convince their citizens that they will be sending money and totally controlled upon. a thought is followed by the failed to deliberate under promises. but the woman, right, i mean, it may create, it may worse than an already unfolding humanitarian crisis. to the point that we may actually problem may actually become even more oppressive because you have to realize if people are having economic situations that is ground for more instability, that is ground for more fighting, the resistance of already merged. those are, i think going to be dr. beta, if people do not the a dividend from the devoted a piece that it's all about, are driving a lot of support from because a lot of people right now are optimistic about because if there is some sort of peace emerging most of the country and if the people don't they see that like me who suffer great me. they may after change their opened of as to why the color but

because meant for the country. marvin, from your perch there in washington d. c. what do you believe has to happen in order for the us to ultimately unfreeze these assets and reserves and to make them available once more to the afghan central bank? i just been suggested by the speakers. were all looking at the park at the performance of the tall one point the point out here that we have to understand that they haven't here it is a political system. i left a nomic system, which is something far greater than they had ever had to deal with in the ninety's . now they have a complex much larger population. the cities in the ninety's were largely the populated. they take it on a challenge here which and not only are they prepared for, but that conceptually,

i think that although they say they want to replicate what was accomplished in, in terms of governance, basic governance. but the fact is, when it comes to the priorities, i believe that they'll put their ideological priorities, tore high on the scam. or they are, they are like, they are likely to resist. or even those decisions that they have to make in order to, to, to create a more efficient administrative assistant. if you feel that it is violating some of their basic principles. so we're dealing here with a, with a, i a new government here, which has conceivably a much now review of what governance is. and there, we're judging them internally about what we think a modern state has to do. their ultimate destination here is

a true genuine islam of state and in their mode of thinking. it's wonderful to have all this assistance. we need it. we would we welcome recognition . we read, right, we welcome our performance financial system certainly. but the question is, what are they willing to pay to receive it equipment? what else could the taliban do in order to get their hands on funds and revenue streams? and also, what other countries do you believe are going to be stepping in to support f? can or stand down, or are we going to see china stepping in? are we going to see russia stepping in more now? i think we've constructed that question apart from the activity that they've been engaged in to fund themselves when it comes to the state to the very writing thing they need, you know, more legitimate and much more revenue generating for his income aid from the west. and it's for now has been, has been froze, that has been cut. so if you look,

rescue must turn east. and although i don't think any major player in china or russia are prepared yet to do business with the taliban because they still don't know the shape and the nature of what that would look like. that certainly the pivot is certainly was going to be necessary for them to maintain any kind of economic economic equilibrium that will allow them to govern in the short term. but if you ask the chinese what, because overshoot these are in going to naturally it will be mining not to be be extending their both jordan and rhode initiative to a dentist on the russians really do not have any. you can on the game to make right now out of i've got a son, is more strategic pay for them. and i believe, and they always encountered to the united states. you see that across the world from libya to syria, and throw that in there will continue to play. but for sure over the over the short to mid term, i think income will be a big focal point for the taliban because they know sending poppy seeds around the

world is going to be enough to to keep them above water. her. and we only have about 90 seconds left. let me ask you 1st, if the taliban is worried by these moves to freeze the assets and also do you believe that the taliban thinks that it can ultimately convince the u. s. and the rest of the world to allow money and assets back into i've kind of sent i think they are very concerned. and you can see that in the rhetoric of the beloved spokesperson and other protocol of an account, what they are trying to do. i think that strategy is to decouple domestic policies from internet recognition, basically saying that they are willing to act as a responsible member of international committee. meaning that they will establish countries on from being use against other countries. and they will not attack any other countries in the region and nick city, they want international commission. they are basically, they need our domestic affairs out of it. we get to decide based on our values over

systems of what kind of government we want. but then a policy be, so that's their pitch that be let the decouple be, we're going to deal with you under international law. that's what they say. but you are, you are required to leave a lot in terms of how we govern internally. obviously that is not, that is not something that the, at least the american countries are going to go along with. because they would have to convert the population that they are the money they're sending it up on a thought or the country to be working with on is done respects the basic human rights of women at all. that isn't. i think that is the biggest challenge facing and i agree that the so far wanted contradictory thing. they were wanted to benefit from the west and age at the same time they want to establish or embarrass. now the woman, the choice, they have to make serious compromise and come with the grab with the reality. what did they will make choices? what would they make and what are the consequences? choices for the people in addition to the movement, just have to wait and wait and see. all right, well we have run out of time,

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