ukraine, that it will not be affected by the construction of russia's nor stream to pipeline on a visit to kia. she told the cranium president that germany will not allow russia to use the pipeline as a weapon under a new deal between the u. s. in europe. the pipeline will carry grass from russia to the ear without passing through ukraine. president vladimir has zillion ski, says the agreement is a threat to his country and the region. ah, all right, around the top stories on thousands of people in afghanistan are still struggling to get out. a nato official says 20 people have died in and around the airport in the past 7 days. the british military is calling the conditions extremely challenging. the u. s. says 17000 people including afghans, americans and other nationals have been flown out. but many, a still stranded american commercial airlines have been ordered to provide planes

to help speed up evacuation efforts. the 18 aircraft won't go to cobble, but will instead transport afghans who will ready been flown out to their final destinations. how does your castro has more from washington's president biden met with his national security team this morning? as his advisors push back on criticism, calling this u. s. withdrawal a disaster, jake sullivan, the national security advisor was on n b c, saying that yes, the taliban is in control on the ground. but he says that us forces are in daily communication with taliban fighters to assure that us citizens are given safe passage through the checkpoints. he said that it was up to the us military though to get those people the final few meters to the airport itself. a taliban is stepping up efforts to form a new government one week after the arm group took over. cobbled senior taliban leaders are in talks with their commanders,

former government figures and religious scholars. israel has carried out and strikes in the gaza strip after protests at the border security forces injured, at least $41.00 palestinian demonstrators. israel said protest as through rocks and explosives. hurricane already has been downgraded to a tropical storm. it's made land full on rhode island on the northeast and coast to the united states. it still packing strong winds and torrential rain, millions of people bracing for flooding. falling trees and power cuts. vietnam reported its highest ever daily death toll from the koran of ours. health authorities and house 737 deaths and 11000 new infections. those headlines in such stories. next news news, news news

. the nicest dates is out of ghana, san but the country strategic location on boston adults is remain. so who stands to benefit from the american exit? what does it mean for regional security? this is inside story. ah, ah hello, welcome to the show. i'm sammy a than as planned. the american military occupation of afghanistan is coming to an end. the pull out has been criticized as a major defeat, but was the 20 year war complete failure of the years american military presence gave it an advantage over rivals in the region. it also allowed civil and military

contract is to make millions of dollars. and the long war opened the window for mineral exploitation estimated to be worth billions. so if the war was so lucrative, could we see another one? moscow and beijing do not seem alarmed by the thought of bonds takeover. and they've already shown interest in supporting the future of afghanistan. jones, i'm calling from china, encourages i've gone taliban to presume moderate study religious policies and establish an open, an inclusive quality goal structure with the other parties, peaceful and sunday, for policies, especially toward his neighbors. so as to realize the reconstruction abutment of fall, yvonne controls almost all the rest of the, of the cars, including the capitol. these are really was and it's from the reality is that one seizure, preventing that collapse of the guns will begin our discussion in

a moment. of 1st, let's take a look at once that state for the region. the security environments in afghan assigned is still precarious. china india and the u. s. have voiced concerns about the tale, bon harboring armed groups. tony bond says it will not. it's estimated afghan, the stan has billions of dollars worth of natural resources and dozens of countries including rivals, india, and pakistan are looking to benefit by helping afghans extract them with the prospects of a new government. political influence in afghanistan is up for grabs. china is seeking to secure it's belton road initiative, and i've kind of stand support would be essential for its corridor with pakistan. the. now for me on this, i'm joined by our guests. we have joining us from miami june teufel drayer, professor at the university of miami, and the specialist on asia is economy and security. she's also written extensively

on mineral mining in da hash met, muffler, and independent african analyst hash met is covered up kind of stand extensively and is one of the 1st journalists to have interviewed totally bomb after 911. good . have you with us as thought, if we can, with hash then for the last 20 years i've gone this time has been a center for us power throughout central asia. how much of a radical change in the balance of power takes place right now? well, we have to look at the us withdraw going to in the life of the why the security concerns of the us regionally and globally, the u. s. government has learned that when you destroy and national is the stomach movement locked up of the polar bonds. they did similar groups in iraq, the remnants or the list of fighters and go on and joined the stomach state. and they will, owes a much more potent threat to the us interest in the region. overall, the threats of kaiser and the stomach state is seen by the us security analyst,

that persistent condition and not as an existing short trip to the u. s. strategic interests in the region and globally, also the stomach, a state has been engaged in africa and the physics of syria and there are basically contained there the us would like to keep the fighting, confined to those areas. and the main issue for the use of the moment is the re emergence of long term strategic competition from russia and china. and for that reason, the u. s. does not want to be buck down in the streets. i've got to stand trying to keep peace and security and they would like to hand that over to the regional allies. and then the focused on and focused on has very close relations with oliver and focused on a one stop contract that use interest to the tolerable and the following will go on to sub contract to the local commanders and the tribal elders will then subcontract

that to the individuals with a currency or religion was coming off an engine is not going to get them far in their fight against the threats office, but it's not a state. the fall dollar bond will soon need some dollars if they're going to call in the collapse of the all of them. because the u. s. want to help with the internet. kimmy who does not want to help the tall one will not use their limited resources to fight the isis in effect, the isis has become an asset for the all of our resorts for the color bomb and the regional government. right, that's an interesting way of looking at it. jude will the us then continue to exert some influence. do you think in afghan, a stan especially through economic factors, the supply of dollars and i've kind of stands phone reserves. i think our excellent arguments had suggested for us applying some dollar city asking on economy. as

a matter of fact, today's financial times has a very interesting article by someone who says that the failure of the united states in afghanistan was a failure to support economic reconstruct akin at construction in afghanistan, after the united states invaded. am i not an expert on afghanistan, but i do watch with the u. s. government was doing and it was trying very hard to create infrastructure in afghanistan. the problem being, whenever they would build something like a power station, the taliban would come and blow it up. and unfortunately, despite the good arguments for united states, remaining it in, in some kind of supportive role. if only to mitigate the influence of china or russia, the public opinion in the united states is going to be dead set against doing math

. so, and public opinion in the united states now yesterday went down by not only to biden administration, but the state department and the intelligence community for not warning them that this is coming. so i think it would be a very hard sell to get bills. ating, afghanistan, the taliban government, through congress. at this point, i do mention the national v influences of russia and china. i'll the us concern over that, judging by statements we've heard, at least so far from russian officials, we think moscow believes it can reach an understanding with the taliban, which would help it to project its power after the us withdraw. yes, i just wanted to say one thing 1st that i'm not aware of all of them affecting power stations and destroying power stations or dams. the following did our lines, but the norfolk may infrastructure off the down,

the failure of the us policy. and i've gotten into the economy was mainly due to its following a market economy model and not a mixed economy, like the european 2nd world war, where the government was run off of essential, essential parts of the economy. and as for support, russia for all of on the russia, the more pragmatic ideological when it comes to the foreign policy towards i'm going to police now after the soviet collapse, the unity then hash met. absolutely. the russians do see an opportunity not going to sun, especially if they want to keep security on, or that in their 1000 a border through the independent countries of those. but until coming to stop. also, china does not want. going to stop to become a hub for state from which they could recruit or of china and create trouble

for the chinese government. so the fact that i think, you know, get this done is a double edged sword with a ton of on. and it remains to see how they get into play this call. i've opened up a lot of things that take them apart now june, starting with the influence of china, the opportunity for china. do you think beijing sees an opportunity for its influence to grow enough kind of stand post the u. s. withdrawal and a ton of bond rise, particularly for some of its economic contrast? they're well, china, definitely season opportunity that china also sees a lot of risks. and as her mom had said, there is a, there is a good relationship between the taliban and elements in pakistan. not necessarily the pakistani government and, but their, their chinese are also very wary of what, what is going on in pakistan, just a couple of days ago, several of their nationals were killed in

a raid on the china and pakistan economic corridor that goes through god are and also through, believe she territory and they believe she are not very happy with this corridor. and there would be more of that. and we keep talking here about the taliban government, the taliban government, the taliban government. and clearly they're, they're going to be in charge and cobble, but that doesn't mean they're in charge of the rest of afghanistan. and there are a lot of other ethnic groups who are not especially happy with the taliban. and there is, are reports. and you know, i'm, if you're there, i'm not, i deferred to your greater knowledge. but according to today's papers, the taliban are engaged in battles with resistance forces in northern afghanistan. and i don't think those people are going to give up and go away very easily. so we have to contend with,

to what extent is the taliban going to be in charge of all of the afghanistan and what can be done if china goes in and says yes, here are billions will help. and china has also become more wary. i think of how much good is billions are doing because it has been burned in places like 3 long the malaysian government has been unhappy. there are concerns with dams in peru that don't behave the way they and so on. so i don't think china is going to play santa claus very easily and ask dana, stan especially since conditions there are out to be troubled for a long time to come. do you think i actually you've opened up another issue and hush my nose the north can stand very well. so that's that take this point to him and hush meant talking about some of the key figures in the pantry valley in the north. do you think we'll see international or regional banking emerge for people

like atmosphere, food, the son of the famous african commander ma chalmers, food, all the former vice president. and the last father was now declaring himself to be the rightful acting president of afghanistan. so there are 2 issues here and the issue of china our lives. others like to come back to that but the issue of resistance and punish valley against the taliban. it's a very, very complex and interesting and future making complex conflicts that is emerging in actually finding the color on need international recognition. they want a peaceful transfer of our, from the old government to the toner bond so that they can claim international legitimacy so that they can stop any resistance against them as being a legitimate resistance. so therefore, the car is now with friendship valley and the former vice president, amber law, solid and resistant forces rallying around, much,

almost with sun muscle. the order negotiating with the on a bomb to concede power in exchange for certain policy changes on the thought of the, all of on and power sharing with autobahn. and also bringing in other groups around the fall of one. but let's not forget, the major victory of all of all has to be that they broke through the ethnic lines in the last 340 years and jude in demik, corruption within the government of a shop. where the villages, where they used to consist the backbone of resistance against all of them, the people shifted towards the volleyball, stopped fighting, and they stopped supporting the national army. they stopped supporting the local commanders like jungle like jungle and the other colonda in my hon. in the west, these, there's so much into the government, the foot in the government, the outside of the government, they love patch with the people with no power base. and when it matter that you

have that local base, people move, it was all about. if this was on the election, it would have been a lot like there was a follow this time around. if you notice the thought about managed to capture northern cities before the capture solving. and we know that the thought of a dominant, the student. so the thought about brooks and syndic line and know the situation that we have comp for fond power power to play in the north of afghanistan with the u. s. i know that my food has been calling for us support. would there be a us appetite for that? would the russians allow some of the former soviet states to return to the sort of arrangement in the ninety's way? you saw taja korea back backing for powerful ethnic figures to destabilize the taliban grip on power and the taliban. while they allowed groups opposed to the governments into g q. stan and was becca stand top right from afghan territory. can

we expect that kind of calculus to reemerge? i think the us, 1st of all that you will realize is that a collapse or that filed the state of august and the all about and continued war is not in the interest. i am sure the focused on is have managed to convince the americans that is not in their best interest the washer, but absolutely terrified. often tenure was not going to sound because it will spill over into the castle and on. because remember, the thought about condition is what the us and others that you help us. we help you . it's a ton of them are not helped then that all of them cannot be held responsible for a groups emerging and going across and coding security concerns for russia. so i don't see any of those states willing to give the resistance inside any military support, but the biggest support they could give is that just tell the thought about who they are not like you, not over united nation,

you will not have the economy relations with you, unless you reach a settlement with the northern alliance or the fight is gathering around the form of government, which at the moment, which is technically a, he's the vice president and he holds the position at the moment. so this is the best call and the follow on. i think they know that they do not want to take over power by force and then allow a situation of reality on the ground politics, the mistake with difficulty at all and some would not. they also told them, do not want to repeat the mistakes of how much because there's government where they said that the fall of defeated, that not being that's all about into the formation of a new government. thought about went on to create a new list, and they can bounce back to where they are. now. it's quite possible that over a long time, if you're talking about another and they continue control, i've got a son, and the northern fighters or the fight is up under the guise of the for my government

. can you to fight will only become unstable, insecure. i don't see that month, our takeover will often and doesn't sound like from what we're hearing from, i guess most of the global and regional pals. one that right now it sounds like they all see a, an interest in keeping afghanistan stable, even if it is under taliban control, june. even if that's the case, the u. s. continues, of course, to freeze afghan assets. there will be a lack of dollars flowing into afghanistan, the sort of arrangement which the former african government had of dollars coming in from the u. s. to pay salaries. that's all going to come to bad very soon. right june. that's going to bite the afghan economy very soon. i suspect are there are

negotiations going on even now about what to do about those assets and the that i also suspect that the united states government must be very careful here. we keep talking about united states, united states, united states, the mood in the united states now is get the heck out of afghanistan and leave it to its own devices. and it is going to be very, very difficult, no matter how wise people and the biting and administration have ideas for yes, it would be in the best interest reunited to help stabilize that they're going to have to overcome severe domestic resistance. and i don't see the path forward for the taliban, stabilizing the country. to be that easy. this morning i saw a video made by mohammed moore, who is a charging warlord, who fled to afghanistan. when i think with missouri,

she refill nice words. and he is singing, we'll fight our resistance will continue. and then he says, only if we, well, if we are going to enter the power equation, are we willing to play ball with the taliban? and he said where we won't become slaves to be outside hers. and i want his phrase, we will not go to others tables for decoration, we want to be a partner in power. so i don't see that the taliban being able to, to stabilize the country that easily. and until the united states is convinced that there is a stable government there, it's going to be very reluctant to unfreeze those assets hush laptops we should talk about pakistan as well. are they perhaps one of the biggest regional winners

from the change in of power in cobble right now? absolutely, and let's also not forget that it is not only america that has the security concerns. the gulf region also has security concerns. iran has security concerns. india has security concerns and those regional powers do not want the follow on to claps. and i'm sure that some top cash injection into the all about government simple agreement just to keep the float for the near future will happen. and i think it would be a responsible thing. clothing. interesting, hash value, india in that group. judging by the tone, at least in indian media, they seem very keen on the idea of supporting and the legitimacy of under law follow and supporting masoud. yeah, absolutely. there will be a balancing act, some will support the thought on and make the thought of and dependent on their

dollars. and so therefore, dollars, all of them have to listen to them. and india will support the much, almost with sun under kilometers in the north to make them dependent on the policy to be a proxy negotiations keeping the security of the region in the image of those nations in mind. and that will continue. but if one side allows the other side to take the better of the other one, like to sample. if the northern fight just come up. the india i've lost america, lost a bargaining chip and other potential governments in the region that would like to see the fall of one more time lost their bargaining chip. so now they are fighters in punctured, right? which is, by the way, it's a very strategic value or very small. it's cut off from the stuff going to, and i've been there getting some of the resistance against the thought of on. but it has a very strong strategic depth. and it's, it's right over the capital cobble. they can't come back. but i think that the

leaders in the north and the all my government are banking on dissatisfaction of the people by keeping the economic stronghold over the thought a bond. and therefore making what they can at least and then getting them to turn against the olive on its own game of getting the people against the government. otherwise, on june, from an economic perspective hush, mike was saying that there will be some regional powers, pakistan, iran that will want to see the tommy bon administration at least survive. can anyone fill the void? i mean, you look at some of the, the numbers, frankly, international aid accounted for around 75 percent of afghan stands budget and 43 percent of its g d, p. can anyone fill that void, whether it's china or pakistan or iran? i honestly, i think africana stan is and for a long period of and sticking with t and i think international agencies are going to try to meet the basic needs of

people for food and shelter. but beyond that, i don't see great generosity emanating given the instability of the country. now if the taliban can stabilize the country, that's another issue. that's another ball game, but i don't see that happening in the near future. all right, we've got a final 30 seconds. i think we'll give it the hash map i think that went through world bank, 60 percent of going to sense economy is dependent on agriculture. and so 60 percent of the economy, the grocery level will just survive, but what will collapse, what will be? what will suffer is actually the government process. teacher is the security forces and all that. all right, and good to get your thoughts on the tank on gas very much june,

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