i find it pretty incredulous, just listening to the word. well, admiral, i appreciate your time. thank you very much for sharing your thoughts of as retire . admiral william fallon joining us on the phone that from big sky montana. well i was close when it can be i'll get joins is live now. and kimberly were just hearing that from the former head of us central command saying that he is disgusted with the way in which this withdrawal has taken place. we obviously saw visa be shaken president when he was delivering his statement that bought he essentially defended his policy. what is the reaction likely to be very washington? well, the reaction in washington is divided as one could expect. there are those that are calling for joe biden resignation mostly, his republican critics, to have been arguing that this has been botched since joe biden took office,

and it's been a white house struggling to get a foothold on this situation. but then there are others that feel that the u. s. president is not to blame, but in fact, the previous trumpet, ministration is partly at fault, and you heard there joe biden, as he spoke with one of the last questions asked by a conservative reporter representing fox news in the united states. who asked if joe biden bear any responsibility for the death sort of occurred today. he didn't shy away the president from owning the actions that he has taken. but also he said and intimated that he inherited a bit of a problem from the previous administration. given the deal but was struck by the trump administration, he alleged had led to a complex set of parameters which he was unable to change. what he did change was the withdraw date initially as part of that deal between the taliban and the

united states was for the forces to leave by middle of may. and that was extended to august 31st. and now the headline really from the remarks by the us president is that despite the death that have occurred, despite the urging of the international community and others to extend this deadline. withdrawal of us forces to allow for the evacuation to continue in a, in a safe manner. the u. s. president says he's not doing that. he is firm on his august 31st date and he says those left behind, he will make sure that they are evacuated. by other means, and i think the other important headline here is that the u. s. president is not going to be bolstering the military in any way. they feel that what they have there, in terms of true numbers is adequate to complete this mission. however, the united states says it will retaliate for the blast that have occurred in cobble

at the abbey gate. and the baron hotel that we know have killed dozens of afghans and also more than a dozen americans. he says that this will happen. he says he will not forgive, forget, he will hunt down those responsible and the words of the us president make you pay . so this is a president that is taking ownership of the situation even in the face of harsh criticism, even from members of the international community and on capital hill will the same time saying that he understands the grief that many of these american service members, families are feeling right now, because not only did he hold a moment of silence, but at times even appeared somewhat tearful, because his own son died as a result of military service from a brain tumor likely associated with the fumes from the burn pit. as he served in iraq, so he knows what it's like whether it is a killed in action situation or

a residual injury that kills once service member returns home. joe biden is no stranger to grief. so when he speaks about lives last, you know that he understands the grief many of these families are feeling right now . and that's why he's held them as heroes. even as he has very sternly said, this mission will continue until it's complete. but this is becoming a foreign policy crisis is as a great magnitude, isn't it for 12 american service personnel to have been killed, particularly after there are we're hearing reports and the president and the pentagon. well, there was certainly warnings that there would be a total breakdown in security should the, the, the taliban takeover in this way. if, if we see more american casualties in afghanistan, what could that mean for the president? it's not just the casualties,

but there was something else in there that the president addressed and it was one of the questions towards the end that is going to be problematic for joe biden. and that is reporting that allegedly, some us officials had provided the list of names of americans who were allowed to penetrate the perimeter to the airport. the list was not only generated but was allegedly turned over to the taliban. and what some critics of the president are alleging that will essentially the united states supplied its enemies. i'll be at ones that are cooperating temporarily, with an alleged to kill list of americans and afghans who have supported the u. s. mission. and this has outraged americans not just on capital hill, but around the united states. and the u. s. president did not deny it. he said that he wasn't 100 percent sure that this had occurred, but he said it was not in the realm of possibility. in fact, there are times when that he admitted that the military had notified the taliban,

the passes of americans would be coming through. that is going to hot this president. in addition to this foreign policy crisis, as he says that he is protecting the american public, many people are going to pin the blame on him, even if the president wasn't directly involved in generating that list. as you heard there, he takes full responsibility and this is something that has occurred under his watch. thank you very much. kimberly how get with all the latest in the white house for now. thank you. of course, just to recap of our breaking news story, this our medical source enough and i've gone is dawn of told out there that as many as 60 people were killed in 2 explosions outside campbells international. apple. we had the confirmation of the pentagon earlier that there were 2 suicide bombers from the i ass in afghanistan, group. charles stratford. now reports must be lindsey's rush through the

streets to collect the wounded bodies are lifted on to stretches. the 2 attacks by suicide bombers happened close to the abbey gate entrance seat of cobble airport. yet the baron hotel there was a sudden explosion. we climbed out and saw that there were many people effective people were held everywhere, their brains with scattered. there were also foreign forces who were fallen. i saw at least 4 or 500 people there. the explosion was really powerful, half withheld into the water, others on the ground outside. we carried the wounded here on stretches and my clothes completely bloody. i know the power hotel is controlled by the u. k and they 2 forces. it is one of the places where tens of thousands of afghans have been gathering after the taliban took control of cobble on august the 15th. they've been going there to have their papers processed before being evacuated out of the country. western governments security expertise cobble had be warning about

a potential attacks around the airport. but days the taliban told al jazeera, it had intelligence about potential car bombs in the area. and people stay away. an increasing number of nato countries have already announced the halt to their evacuation operations. and these attacks jeopardize remaining flights. meaning many afghans who want to leave the country and they have all the necessary documents to do so, could be left behind. it's all about have condemned the attacks and bound to bring the perpetrators to justice with suicide bombings like these not dissimilar to those that the tolerable, unused against what it often described as foreign invaders. show just the kind of security challenges the movement faces. charles, rafa al jazeera, cobble or not brian joins us live now from carla and rob. we heard from president biden earlier that he was saying,

although millions of afghans would like to be able to leave the country. he can't be responsible for getting them all out. and given the scenes that we've been seeing in recent days of afghans swarming the airport in cobble there and enduring some inhumane conditions. just to be able to get onto one of these evacuation flights, whether they have the permission to do it or not. what is the, what is the feeling? what is the, the mood there and cobble tonight? yeah, i mean, he said a couple of interesting things that pertain directly to the situation here. and i've got this done about the evacuation that the united states will not be put off its mission. it will carry on with this evacuation exercise, it will be completed. it's sort of going to carry on with this steady course if you like. and interestingly, he said that with his deadline coming up between now and the deadline, which we know has been set at the 31st of august. that's midnight's tuesday. our

time here in afghanistan, he started talking about other ways of trying to get the people that need to be got on to planes that still people with us passports, or green card holder, as he said i. but also people who may have worked with us forces who are eligible for special baez's to be able to get out. so they don't face reprisals here. it was talking about different means maybe use of buses. we know that the u. s. has used helicopters, for example, special run the viewpoints to take groups of people across the perimeter. so they don't have to go through these gates and the crowds that are master around that. but directly onto the tarmac onto the runway. and then on to the evacuation plane. so it's interesting that he was, i think the u. s. is now thinking more on those lines about other ways of getting people into the airport rather than they heretic scenes that we've witnessed this

thursday of running the goals. that if you like up the dangers that the perimeter now poses. and also interestingly beyond that deadline, talking about continuing to get out america's friends and people who have been associated with us missions. now this is far trickier because of course, this is after the deadline. this is after us forces have left there may, would that there will be no embassy here. so how do you go about trying to get out people who still have a right to move to the united states to have us protection. and that's, that requires will require a lot more cooperation, from example, the taliban government, to the issuing of passports to people. afghans who want to leave that's going to be handled by that the can government safe passage has to be given to an airport that is operating commercial flights for those people to be able to get commercial flights and visa to leave the country, etc. so that's a lot tricky of that,

but he did indicate that there will be a continuing program very low key, very below the radar. so as not to upset the taliban government to try to carry on getting people out of afghanistan and to the united states. and just finally there was a very interesting point he made about to go to those who carried out this attack. we will find you, we will hunt you down talking about the use of force and very precision use of force. does that mean drones strikes other kinds of special forces operations? because of course, this is all after the united states is meant to have completed its military involvement after 20 long years in afghanistan. well, it will have completed that it will have left. but is it now going to come back with these special targeted drones strikes, for example, against the kind of forces the kind of fighters, which off directly threatening american interest of the we've seen in this horrific

attack thursday night. and the same kinds of forces that they had originally went into afghanistan after namely al qaeda in 2001. alright, thank you very much for now. ron look bright and the afghan capital capital. we can now speak to her son, a boss. he is a distinguished professor of international relations at the neary south asia center for strategic studies. he joins us from washington, dc via skype. can i start by asking you for your reflections on the taliban response to these attacks? thank you so much on the new should responses from their spokesperson saying they're not responsible. and they were not responsible for this area of the airport, which i think they are wrong. but because we know the manage the outer betty meter off the airport. so they are trying to shift their responsibility. they are trying to say this is happening because of the overall situation in which we are in. so

they of course, are extremely voted because this security crisis is fostering into a humanitarian disaster. and this will impact dollar bond more than anyone else because they're still, there's still no government that is in place. they are still internal struggle happening and still have not announced formation of government. so by the bond at this moment was me extreme. you voted because i thought it because they think the stiffest challenge from isis and i s k. right, so what does this mean then for what is, what is the taliban likely to do next? because we had confirmation from the pentagon, that the islamic state group in afghanistan carried out these attacks. one is the

relationship for the sort of the historical engagement between the 2 very important question. unlike isis in iraq and city, and most of the people understand some stayed from, from what we, north city and it up the isis or i, c, i s k. as we say in a why must on this has members who are mostly those for the most extremist among the taliban, who defected? who left taliban the, the mainstream valley? by if i make all that they are members of alaska, junglin from bugs, farm beer, members of betty kit, volleyball bunker san, who all joined hands to be in, in, in a fun is fun. so they are not arabs per se, or they have not come from city or it up of be they might be some leaders of this group who have come from that region, but primarily of significantly and predominantly this is enough on group for the most extreme missed or most on the other side in terms of the spectrum of terrorism

. the relationship with these 2 groups has always been at each other's neck. because the polymer waterview often islam it state the read the projected within upon his bond, that is something which is challenged by s k i s k thinks about a global hell of organic fruit and of want to bon, we're always saying we want in the stomach elevator emitted in the sun shall be up to 2 groups with different logical beating as well. one is more so media monday, the other one is more but treaty, the pretty means those who want are very exclusive is to watch. okay, well, what else? as normal stem, so there's a huge differences, but thank you. hi, santa bars for joining us from washington. we cannot speak to hel, shining the taliban political spokesman, and a member of it negotiations team. and joe ha. now of course we've been speaking.

we've been watching developments in washington and hearing about the death of 12 american service personnel. 60 ask, and also died in these attacks. and the footage from the aftermath of these explosion is heretic. i mean, men, women, and children. how, how, how do you explain the, the way in which this happened and why it wasn't prevented? yeah. first of all, i, yeah, i strongly condemn this. grow some and hold in the us and say i didn't get things a cow up c williams. people. but part of the last days we were telling you is in the countries who are were intending to take all those up, gone to the countries to settle in the wisdom countries that is

off members of ices under the collar of bring up. 1 well cutting out. 5 activities so low and we told them there should be all screens and checked properly and they should have proper documents like. 1 sports in with us. but anyone, i mean the thing is we have we heard from the pentagon earlier on and obviously you will have been monitoring their remarks and they said that the taliban was, is responsible for, for that part of security. so i know that the taliban has said that this took place in an area where us security forces were in charge of security. but actually, you know, the outer perimeter is under the,

the jurisdiction of the taliban. is it not? yes, those gay suite under our control and our security so that this didn't happen, but did happen in those areas, which was that's good. it was the what the u. s. for ships. so that's why i again check the with the with call will be with him had told me those as well. and the security of you is courses. so it didn't happen in the outer perimeter. no, no, no, i'm not going it. yes, that our good player matter. we had our 4 forces, but the main thing is that the huge congestion. how people are a crowd of people they could not to be checked. all of them did is

a possibility. barbara for members. i, jason, to, among the people of the crowd and cutting out a sabotage activity. this is what we have been telling for the past base. so that is why it's really essentially that everyone should be checked. the insured was for me because always on the u. s. has been negotiating with the taliban to, to secure the efforts or it needs to extend the permit. so what was the us response to these warnings? the an isis attack was imminent. yes. everyone knew that the, this or eminent what well worked are talking back to it with the hatch or huge crowd of people. is it not possible to take every one because some of those were inside that yet?

1000 people inside that you can outside the we are checking then we are not allowing that the one. d for some of those come to walk out are asking on requesting better. we should allow those without the any proper document to to go to the airport. but we are telling them that. a this it carries that is called for the project every day should not be they should have proper documents. so this happens where do you, pen palling? what in best incidence? and it is because of such hold your val and outboard, but without any loss q can i ask you about i s k because the present was mentioning, i mean the pentagon is confront him to suicide bombers from the i asked group in afghanistan, which carried out this attack, how much of

a challenge did they posed to your rule in afghanistan? now all we're going to see a new chapter, a new phase of violence. war instability opened up between the taliban, trying to move into a place of governance, an i s k. developing into an insurgency. no eyes case, i'm not chinese for us. it has no, it doesn't have so many people be out of it is a party. you know me, but here it is us. i specialty, it's exception amount of teams because there are thousands of people god that we should not have been dear if there was they have adopted a proper way of taking those people to commercial flights through well have been good. how can you say that not happen?

i s k, it is not a challenge to you when they have staged some horrific attacks over the past year. they've taken responsibility for an attack on a maternity hospital on a school, on a school for girls. and also as you well know, there are members of the taliban who have defected from the group enjoined. i s k because they didn't feel the taliban was extreme enough for them because it will not have any justification. and in the but actually not to continue at that. so when did is no obligation, the country is not to provide by floating forces and there is some gorman, the place they will not have any justification from the ink that me closer to cutting out the data. sabotage activities, but why i'm saying it, it is not the challenge for us and that is not from about the afghans in the ha.

a maybe sometimes not just to get to foreign forces, they've been killed off guns. they are telling up front but the data from fault in photo elements. so they. 9 can be eliminated, they have no food and bodies, but there was not such huge crowd here. they will, they will not being able to carry out such sub would you like to teach? so how shane, thank you for joining us. well now in the past hour we've been listening to with watching relevant in washington, you as president joe biden is saying that the situation on the ground is still evolving. he had stun was for those who carried out this, these attacks to those who carried out this attack as well as anyone wishes america harm. no. this. we will not forgive.

we will not forget. we will hunt you down to make you pay how defend our interest in our people with every measure at my command? well, douglas, all along served enough canister as a senior counter insurgency advise, he joins us from virginia via skype. we're just hearing from taliban spokesman's hell shaheen saying that the ice is k group and i've gone is done poses absolutely no threat to their rule and their ability to establish some sort of government. now, because the very main target has been foreign forces rather than afghans. what do you, what do you make of that? well, i'd say the talents inability to prevent this attack today certainly belies that claim. it will be very interesting to see of the how the taliban deals with i s. k

. we've known that they've been fighting for years. they have very distinct ideological difference says, and what the taliban will be able to successfully put down their own insurgency now, will be an interesting test for them. what do you mean by that? so yes, you're saying that there will now be how, when you say their own insurgency, i was just thinking, factional fighting within the taliban or members of the taliban that has defected to, to i. s k. well, i'm just, you know, they're now going to be on the receiving end of what us forces i've been in afghanistan for some time. they're now the government and they're going to have to be dealing with these, you know, guerrillas who will conduct these types of terrorist and terrorists like attack on on taliban interest. now, how widespread is the presence of i s k in the country? my understanding is it's fairly narrow,

it's only about 2000 fighters and it's very much in the east. there's no i s k over by herat closer to iran. there's no i s k up in the north. it's very much an eastern pressure, presence, coon, r nangle har, and then able to project power into cobble could rivalry between competing factions of the taliban strengthen the capability of ios k. certainly any time your dis unified that helps your opponents. so if there are divisions, splinters within the taller bond that this group can exploits, they obviously, well. now that said, i'm not sure i s k is an existential threat about natal bond is much, much larger. it's estimated at $75000.00 fighters. i s k at 2000, but numbers don't always tell the whole story. are we likely to see

a deepening relationship then between the taliban and the u. s. in order to prevent eyes k gaining a stronger fit, told in the country and the possibility of attacks taking place outside of us kind of sun. well, that would certainly be in deep irony, wouldn't it? we'll just have to see how this plays out in the coming weeks. a lot of this, of course, will be determined on just what type of cala bond we see, whether their charm offensive about a new color on to point is real or whether that's just p r. and it's the same taller bond that we've always known and experienced. if the latter, then it's very, very hard to see any type of real cooperation between the united states in that group. what do you think about biden's remarks that it's not about trust? it's about mutual interest i think that's, that's almost true as it's always about mutual interest. certainly if the taliban

get serious about fighting, i s. k. well, we will have some interest in helping them with that. the taller bond for all their faults have never themselves expressed any interest in attacking western interests outside of afghanistan. they've sheltered those who have in the past. obviously that's what started this whole thing. but they've never themselves expressed a desire to attack western or any other interest elsewhere. obviously i s k is a much different story. even if they're not saving a tax themselves, as you say, they've failed to prevent that attack against americans today. so in that sense, can they be trusted in a relationship like that, which is essentially what's happening if there is going to be engagements and intelligence sharing and so on. well, i'm not going to defend that, paula bon, obviously we have a long history of fighting the taller bond, and these are nice people, not. they're not nice people that said, you know,

given the chaos at the airport to expect that any security service could find a couple of suicide bombers in what we've all seen on the television screens is a really chaotic mass of people. that's a pretty high bar for anyone to defect. so i'm not going to hold that particular failing against the taliban. i think let's assume that they meant to defend the airport. this obviously wasn't in their interest. it doesn't make them look good. but i'm not saying that that's a deliberate failing on their part. doug 7, thank you very much for joining us. appreciate time. thanks for the me a look at our main story now and medical sources and i've got histone of told al jazeera, as many as 60 people were killed and to explore.