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as many as 5 rockets were fired at the football airport. u. s. military forces successfully employed our force protection measures to thwart that attack. us forces retain the inherent right of self. busy defense and are authorized to meet threats with a swift and forceful response. there was in fact, after we took this air strike against this vehicle, there were rocket attacks, indirect fire rocket attacks on the airport. so the threat stream is still real, it's still active. and in many cases, it's still specific and we're taking it very seriously and we will right up until the end. the un security council meeting to discuss f gamma stan drop resolution calls on the tale bound to keep its promise or not holding human rights. it also urges the group to allow civilians and agencies safe passage once foreign forces leave. people on the u. s. gulf coast awoken out to damaged homes,

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ah, it's claimed the worst attack and i've done a son of taliban returned to power. the next day for a son is the group greatest challenge, but what is it and how much of a threat is it to the country and i'm the world. this isn't side story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm daddy and abigail. the u. s. is hours away from ending it's longest war, but with it's 20 your mission and i've gone on finally coming to an end. it leaves behind a new threats. i saw horse on, also known as ice. ok, has claimed responsibility for the cabal airport attack on thursday. it killed

scores of people, including 13 u. s. service numbers, the highest number of deaths in a day for the american military. in a decade, the armed group was formed in 2014 and has been responsible for some of the worst attacks. and i've gone on in recent years, and it's been labeled one of the world's most dangerous terrorist organizations. so was i f o k found a new safe haven and taliban controlled of don a son? and is it a serious threat to stability in the nation? let's get into today's discussion with our guests. joining us from fancy wales is a me and joe ad. let me me. he's a research fellow at george washington university's program on extremism in chance . lee virginia come around bacardi, who's the director of analytical development at new lines institute for strategic policy and over in lama by joining us from maris the had be in the security analysts, an independent researcher on militancy. welcome to the program. thanks so much for your time. with us on inside story for her over to you 1st. you said this that from

2016 there had been a number of counter terrorism operations against this group i f o k. and the thought that it was dismantled. but the recent attacks you say, have reinforced the threat from this group. so how big a threat is ice. okay, and i've got to start right now basically realize this, the day, the goblin book, the day before, this has been a huge report. several reports, which has pointed out the fact that the type of i sell k to not be discounted out. there had been lighting this incredible and they had been struggling that efforts in and around. but this attack was not something which was which could not have been anticipated. there wasn't just about the attack. so in a way we can say that they have this formidable spent in and around god because of which they were able to last. but to what extent for her has the group and weekend throughout the years with the u. s. and i've got military counterterrorism efforts

as well as you'll remember back in 2017 the u. s. dropping what it called, the mother of all bombs in eastern afghanistan on this group is the group has been in a restructuring phase ever since i met, you need a shabby market. so what has been doing is kind of recruiting the new operational abilities and of racial come under some other restrictions in order to consolidate and was boosted capabilities. and because of the radio, we have seen that they haven't been launched this high profile. i'm going over and wells, do you agree with this assessment? and i think that when you look at the course on probing, i said that you've been more mixed bag over the years in terms of their own, their own success. is that actually some of them in terms of their, by their own discourse and rhetoric, i think the biggest successes were in the very early year was

announced in 2015. and then i remember the big own magazine, an interview with the overall he was boasting of so called keen or enablement in the land line console, the territory, the implementation hispanic boys in part of the step down to stand with walking about. and that in coincides with the supposed apis, they, taliban was that refraining from implementing it planning law. but actually then that was degraded and you certainly have being very times carried out by the group of them were basically by the for example, the targeting the minority in cobble but i think the tendency of done to draw and is one particular attacking in cobb lab or recently to draw a bigger confusion about the group. and if you guys don't,

i don't see that as warranted. i wonder a man, if you can just add onto this and tell us about the origins of the group. and perhaps if you have any facts and statistics, how many members does the group have currently today? yeah, i don't have the knowledge of the statistics on, on group number. i don't even like doing that in general. but like i said about the origins of a lot of the, grew on the very beginning, the factors from both the afghan and pakistani taliban. so drawing people from both sides of the borders. in fact, i'm, you know, didn't gone over into eastern afghan if they did also drawn them back by elsewhere in afghanistan. but primarily today it's something operating out of the east of the country and they were claiming many attacks, for example, of the lowest scales. and this, of course, this bombing,

we could see is more of the student's date, but there were many taxes on the claims in the city of july, the bad and recent month, which they a fascinating afghan government now. and also the, came some more small scale attacks on was taking over the country attacks against the taliban. but again, the very small scale. yeah. and yeah, this particular cobble attack, i see it that was more of a ripe opportunity to do it, made a very hasty and disorganized withdrawal of the u. s. and other western countries. ok, come on in virginia. do you agree with the assessment that the that the aim of the attack on thursday at cobble airport was meant to? so instability on behalf of the group. and what do you think the long term aim of ice o k is in afghanistan? are they looking to build some sort of caliphate, like i feel in iraq and syria?

yes, to the answer to your question. the both questions is yes, but let me elaborate. so as i pointed out in my wall street journal piece from saturday that the taller bon emerett will not succeed for a simple reason that the you cannot have a group that is deeply india logical and has pretty much a similar ideology. there's very little difference in the ideology of paula bon and isis because the only differences in terms of the type of state that they want. otherwise the ideology is similar and this is a fluid battlespace both in physical and id ational terms. so the more of the taliban become pragmatic, the more they're going to lose people. and that is what i was counting on now. isis has has for many, many years beginning in iraq, even when it was not called isis. it's essentially immersed started this bombing campaign in the midst of

a chaos. so now what you have is an afghan government that has collapse dramatically in 9 days. us forces are all but gone. the taliban have not taken over . as you know, they're just putting down roots, they haven't announced the government. and so this is a transition period that is very k arctic. and this is, this is the opportunity that isis is always looking for to start it's operations. and i suspect that these operations will become more and more intense and more frequent as time goes by. and yes, i mean look, if iraq and syria are places where there was dismantle and they're going to try elsewhere. and this is a place where the us forces. busy are called out and there isn't any likelihood. busy of the united states going back in, in a big way. it may send tens of thousands of troops if the situation worse and like they did in iraq in 2014. but they're not going to bring in, you know,

the large amounts of troops into the country, and there is no states to begin with. so this from isis point of view is great. and then there, there is a lot of room where they can operate. i'm, i was right that there's a huge pocket probably paula bon presence. you know, people who are disaffected by the $500.00 bond or were in groups like less than john be who crossed over into isis. and so this is seen as a board piled battle space by isis. so let me just get this straight. what you're saying also is that the group in your opinion, wants to establish a caliphate and also wants to re establish some sort of relevance in afghanistan. well, they're already relevant, they just have to expand their operations. they have to take advantage of the

vacuum strategic vacuum that has been created. they will want to expand into pockets on as well, where there are files around and, you know, places in on the western periphery of pockets on that were formerly under the control at one point from 2007 to the early 20 ten's, by the possibilities all about, so this is a battle space that they know in the, at the end of the day isis in hold on, right. that's enough. one is done in our people from outside. this is an ice is parachuting, people from the mother ships that you know in the arab world, these are locals who were battled hard and they know the terrain. and they're coming out under a new labels. and they see that they have a better opportunity to overwhelm the situation because the taliban are now veering into pragmatism because they have to govern. and these are precisely the kind of conditions that isis, which is a hard line. perhaps the most extreme job is group in the world. definitely the

most extreme you how to group in the world is going to try and take advantage of ok if i heard we've seen the u. s. responding militarily so far to the group. but does this risk, does this run the risk rather of drawing american forces back into have gone to stop at some point when, you know they're supposed to be leaving and ending this war in just a few hours time? i don't think so, the american officials will be thinking about going back to apply to someone living in a few hours from now on because i've gone, i will not be happy with this decision or even returning of american troops on regarding a fund. so they will be having, they will have to rely upon and have to sort of formal cooperation with them in order to deal with the ice is great and i just try to force on ok. we're going to talk about the relationship between the taliban and ice. ok?

just a moment, but 1st amen. let me ask you this. in 2015, the group released an audio tape in which the speaker revealed the group's expansions into what he called the land of a son. and that's a term that encompasses not just have done is done, but areas as well or south asia as well as reportedly parts of china. so how much of a threat does i sold opposed to other countries? i would clarify i. li, yes. so originally when is planning, state court on proven was announced. i'm pretty sure the idea of that was not only is dan, but why the reason for example, including pakistan and even the diamond for son. he talked about attacks and by done in interview with dominic in 2016, but what you actually have seen now with these, let me say, is they designated that for so goal provinces,

for i see bo package done and india and they claim attacks and without media propaganda under those tables, so the whole assign the probably lives the currently now only seems to apply to these dynamics they operating in the borders that i've got to stand as we recognize there. so i g, a way, there has always been this attack capacity for 9. they be your, in the region beyond the all or the get it done. and it would then, it was been formalized through the creation of these separate separate new provinces of pakistan and india. has been a lot about how was passed on going to deal with this threat. right? not like he does not pose a fetus trigger image attractive power in future if for some preventive able to

control in what is what is the able to engage in the medical and then it can possibly become just 2 bucks. right. but according to congressional research service report for had, i mean, it pretty much outlines that many, if it's initial members, were fighters with a headache and tele bond in pakistan. that's an organization and practiced on give us some context to that is back in july 2015 when it was. busy the 1st time prevents officer launched members directors from fox and about one to some members from oak i. then it's going to be the 2 fun disperse boys. so there are a number of fucks, any problem, and militants who joined search engines from t t p. 30 bucks to sample and so over the years they were able to claim attacks impacts been due to the collaboration with local groups including which

will allow me because of the collaboration with this book we're able to claim are going to type of politics and buxton. i went and made ready 19 when they formed it on slimy states box up once in a way decided to work on individual basis instead of liberating with other local american. good. ok, so as you've been hearing the tell about an ice ok aren't the only are groups operating in and around? i've gone to sun, i'll keita has been a primary us target and i've gone on since 2001 a report by the u. s. defense department says the group poses a limited threat because it's mainly focused on survival. there is also the ha, connie network gets an official semi economist component of the afghan taliban and an ally of alco. there's also a number of smaller groups like that's a headache itala by pakistan that's also known as the pakistani taliban. it's fighters fought alongside the afghan taliban against the afghan government. come run back to you. so report seems to suggest that ice ok are link to the taliban via

3rd party and not party is be connie network. what is the relationship between the 3? so it's not really clear that the gandhi network is linked to. it is definitely the case that connie is, are linked to both pocket bunny intelligence and either and the ha, connie's now occupied a position in the senior leadership off the top on movement. so, and they claim my institute here in new lines is duper strategy and probably our magazine. the new lines magazine published a piece of bay in by an african journalist, interviewed on connie the youngest son of the founder of the county network. and the brothers that i've been with godaddy, who is the number to leader under malachite, was delighted in this all about leadership. and then that piece, you know,

it's very clear that there's all a bond, how counties are very much taller bond and they want to be able to gain power. and, but yes, this is a fluid battlespace. the more hard line elements can, as i've been arguing, can be disillusion very easily. if it's all a bond start to make compromises on ideology. and so a lot of these have connie's can go over to, you know, the, the ice ice. and because the hard copies are linked to not just either but other foreign fighters, like people from central asia, the russian federation, even weavers. they are. there is a huge risk of this spill over it becoming a conduit for people who are now under the paula bon monica, the, the afghans, all of my monitor to go over and crossover and say, you know, we're joining isis and strengthening their ranks. we saw this in theory, a girl,

you know, there are multiple groups that were not isis, but they lost a lot of fighters to isis over the years. a man how, what is the relationship like between the taliban and ice? ok, are they rivals, as many analysts seem to say, or is the relationship not so black and white? no, i would say it is the black and white relationship between lying state or sun province and tallied by. because in the line me space view on the view of design or some problem and the and also the why the group, the taliban is become a so called apa state movement for a number of reasons. one being that they don't implemented by law properly. so this could go back to a compromise, it can run mention. there's also the view that they may go outreach to the minority and relations of iran going outside of the rank

and also that the taliban is supposedly nationalists movement calling sauce would be blank space which doesn't recognize national borders, but ultimately want a caliphate that dominate the entire glo. so there's actually very clear ideological split between the 2. for those reasons, from the united states perspective, whether all tallied by members, of course, actually a guilty of the activation fee for that problem that makes again, that is another issue. but that's a bit that's, you know, design or some problems of taliban. and so for that reason the 2 sides are all right, so then how will the taliban then ins, now that the taliban and control of most of have gone to san how's it going to ensure that ice ok doesn't gain ground in the country and doesn't continue to

do attacks like the ones that we saw at a airport. well, i don't think it's going to be possible to completely destroy, to destroy complete the course on bravo, and then being able to stop it and conduct any operation in my line. there's always go there, always going to be people who sympathize with this project and but i so there will be, there will be a tag either that nation. and there could be more bombings in the future. but i am more skeptical of the idea of these by and they didn't or thought or some problems being able to ca, about significant territorial control breaks out. and dancing is governance project as we saw in the earlier days for robin's. and also in comparison with the height of its power, iraq and syria camera, would you like to respond to that?

because i know that the beginning of the show you were saying that you believe ice ok. does want to establish a caliphate and, and carve out the ground for them. yes, i mean if you look at the opportunities that. busy a lot of fun presented us with the vacuum and the strategic depth us enjoy in the neighboring pockets on. i mean this is, this is something that, you know, clearly points to isis investing so many resources into the region. because of the need to establish that, i mean they, they have been trying in iraq and syria. they establish this a, it kill state of sorts, but it was dismantled. the last 3. and i think it's going to be some time before they regained their bearing their here, the conditions are far more right from their point of view. there is no government

in our pockets on is a very, very weak state level. ready you cannot make lee speaking and is already bracing for, you know, a spill over from a line is done. so, i mean, i would be really surprised if, if i'm not intending the car about a territorial state. i think that's the problem that the united states and its allies really face now is not immediately honest on becoming a launchpad for attacks against the west. but i think that what we'll see is a lot of on becoming a nucleus for another attempt at kayla phase 2 point. oh, so that is where i think that the focus of the united states and its allies should be in making sure that does not happen. how do you do that is actually very, very difficult because you don't have reliable allies. yes, there is, and the president is right, president biden. what he says, the call upon and interests are what going to drive them to cooperate. but it's not

going to be simple. the taller man have to balance many imperatives. so they cannot be a reliable partner. and this is why this is going to be very difficult, right? and i think at some point, when you know, the situation deteriorates. you know, i can see the united states, you know, conducting some operations on its own. what does this holiday unlike it or not? but, you know, this is, i'm talking about a, a medium term, a scenario, okay? if i had the final word to you, i mean come, ron was just saying that the taliban leadership share is security now with western countries and the united states or rather the importance of security and i've gone on. so to what extent do you think that ice ok, pose a major security challenge for the taliban right now? and how is it's all about going to deal with them in the short course on when to continue with its policy of panic and kill over the long term debt able to get 3 in

atlanta thought and able to give them a new medical check. then it will emergency maintenance line valid on and in order to deal with the credit is very important that they have to ensure that the. busy final range of montgomery may not like them and ensure that there's no kind of any defection, crescent, ok, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much to all our guest. i'm on july to may me coming on bahati and for had an appeal. thanks for joining us. thank you for watching. you can see the program again anytime by visiting our website out there a dot com for further discussion, you can go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can join the conversation on twitter or handle is at a g inside story for myself and the whole team right here. and how thanks for watching and bye bye for now. the news

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