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ascot space before the announcements made mission abroad. i'm here to announce the completion of our withdraw from afghanistan in the end of the military mission to evacuate american citizens, or country nationals and vulnerable afghans. last c, 17 lifted off from hammered cars. i international airport on august 30th this afternoon at 3 29 pm east coast time. and the last manned aircraft is now clearing the air space above afghanistan. so it's all about hell. the departed us troops describing it as a historic moment saying i've got his own has now gained full independence. celibacy gum fine, far away across cobbled thousands of our own. still want to leave. the un security council has adopted resolution to let them go safely, but it's not known if the taliban will comply. consistent with the right to leave any country including one's own, everybody must be allowed to safely leave afghanistan for whatever reason. when

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news. news. news. news. it's claim the worst attack and i've done a son just to taliban returns to power. the islamic state for a son is the group, the greatest challenge, but what is it and how much of a threat is it to the country and i'm the world. this isn't side story. ah, ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm betting abigail. the u. s. is hours away from ending its longest war, but with its 20 your mission and i've got to stand finally coming to an end. that

leaves behind a new threats. i saw her son also known as ice. okay. has claimed responsibility for the cobble airport attack on thursday. it killed scores of people, including 13 u. s. service numbers, the highest number of deaths in a day for the american military. in a decade, the armed group was formed in 2014 and has been responsible for some of the worst attacks. and i've gone on in recent years, and it's been labeled one of the world's most dangerous terrorist organizations. so was i f o k found a new safe haven and taliban control of don a son? and is it a serious threat to stability in the nation? let's get into today's discussion with our guests. joining us from swan c wales is a me and joe ad. let me me. he's a research fellow at george washington university's program on extremism in chancellor virginia. come around bacardi, who's the director of analytical development at new lines, institutes for strategic policy and over. and his mom about joining us from maris

for had an a b and it was a security analysts, an independent researcher on militancy. welcome to the program. thanks so much for your time with us on inside story for her over to you 1st. you've said this that from 2016, there have been a number of counter terrorism operations against this group life. ok. and the thought that it was dismantled, but the recent attacks you say, have reinforced the threat from this group. so how big a threat is ice? okay, and i've got to stop right now. basically, below this a day. the goblin put it, i before this, i've been a young report, several reports which have pointed out the fact that the type of i sell k to not be discounted out. there had been lighting the people in cobble and they had been circling that efforts in and around. but this was not something which was which could not have been anticipated. there wasn't just about the attack. so in a way, we can say that they have this formidable spent in their own garden because of

which they were able to last. but to what extent for her has the group and weekend throughout the years with the u. s. and i've got military counter terrorism efforts as well as you'll remember back in 2017, the u. s. dropping what it called the mother of all bombs in eastern afghanistan on this group is the group has been in a restructuring phase. ever since my mentor, you will need a suburban market. so what has been doing is kind of recruiting the new official abilities and of racial come under some other restrictions in order to consolidate and was boost their capabilities. and because of the ladies, we have seen that they haven't been launched this high profile. i'm going over and wells. do you agree with this assessment? and i think that when you look at the course on bravo, and i said that you've been more than mixed bag over the years in terms of their own, their own success is actually some of them in terms of their,

by their own discourse and rhetoric of the biggest successes were in the very early year was announced in 2015. and then i remember the big own darby magazine, an interview with b, o. rowley. he was boasting of circle time, keen or enablement in the land line console, the territory, the implementation. hispanic boys didn't part of the step down to stand with walking about. and that in coincides with the supposed apis they taliban. and it was that refraining from implementing a binding law, but actually then that was degraded and you certainly have being very good times carried out by the group of them were basically like the for example, those targeting the minority in cobble. but i think the

tendency of done to draw and is one particular the attacking in cobb level recently to draw a big deal about the group. and if you guys don't, i don't see that as warranted. i wonder a man, if you can just add onto this and tell us about the origins of the group and perhaps if you have any facts and statistics, how many members does the group have currently today? yeah, i don't have the knowledge of the statistics on on group number. i don't even like doing that in general. but like and say about your origins of a lot of the, grew on the very beginning. the factors from both the band and pakistani taliban. so drawing people from both sides of the borders, in fact, dining didn't gone over into east and they did also drawn them back by elsewhere in afghanistan. but primarily today it's something operating out

the east of the country and they were claiming many attacks. for example, of the lowest scales and this caught this bombing, which could be more of the student's date. but there were many taxes they claimed in the city of july, the bad and recent month, which they a fascinating afghan government now. and also the, came some more small scale attacks on was taking over the country attacks against the taliban. but again, does a very small scale. yeah. yeah, this particular cobble attack, i see it that was more of a right opportunity to do it, made a very tasty and disorganized withdrawal of the us and other western countries canister. ok. come on in virginia. do you agree with the assessment that the that the aim of the attack on thursday at campbell airport was meant to? so instability on behalf of the group. and what do you think the long term aim of

iso k is in afghanistan? are they looking to build some sort of caliphate like i feel in iraq and syria? yes, to the answer to your question the. busy both questions is yes, but let me elaborate. so as i pointed out in my wall street journal piece from saturday that the taller bon emerett will not succeed for a simple reason that the you cannot have a group that is deeply india logical and has pretty much a similar ideology. there's very little difference in the ideology of paula bon and isis because the only differences in terms of the type of state that they want. otherwise, the ideology in similar and this is a fluid battlespace both in physical and id ational terms. so the more of the problem and become pragmatic, the more they're going to lose people. and that is what i was counting on now. isis has, has for many, many years beginning in iraq,

even when it was not called isis. it's essentially emerge, started as bombing campaign in the midst of a chaos. so now what you have is an afghan government that has collapse dramatically in 9 days. us forces are all but gone. the taliban have not taken over . as you know, they're just putting down roots, they haven't announced the government. and so this is a transition period that is very chaotic. and this is, this is the opportunity that isis is always looking for to start it's operations. and i suspect that these operations will become more and more intense and more frequent as time goes by. and yes, i mean look, if the rock and syria are places where there was dismantle and they're going to try elsewhere. and this is a place where the us forces. busy are pulled out, and there isn't any likelihood of the united states going back in, in

a big way. it may send tens of thousands of troops if the situation worse and like they did in iraq in 2014. but they're not going to bring in, you know, the large amounts of troops into the country, and there is no states to begin with. so this from isis point of view is great. and then there, there is a lot of room where they can operate. i'm was right that there's a huge pocket paula bon presence. you know, people who are disaffected by the $500.00 bond or were in groups like less than a john b who crossed over into isis. and so this is seen as a child battlespace by isis. so let me just get this straight. what you're saying also is that the group in your opinion, wants to establish a caliphate. and also, once they're re establish some sort of relevance in,

i'm gonna start well, they're already relevant. they just have to expand their operations. they have to take advantage of the vacuum strategic vacuum that has been created. they will want to expand into pockets on as well, where there are files around and, you know, places in on the western periphery of pockets on that were formerly under the control at one point from 2007 to the early 20 ten's, by the possibilities all of on. so this is a battle space that they know in the, at the end of the day, isis in hong kong, right? that's enough. one is done in our people from outside. this is an ice, as parachuting people from the mother ship that you know, in the arab world, these are locals who were battled hard and they know the terrain. and they're coming out under a new label. and they see that they have a better opportunity to overwhelm the situation because the taliban are now veering

into pragmatism because they have to govern. and these are precisely the kind of conditions that isis, which is a hard line, perhaps the most extreme john, his group in the world. definitely the most extreme you how to group in the world is going to try and take advantage of ok if i heard we've seen the u. s. responding militarily so far to the group. but does this risk? does this run the risk rather of drawing american forces back into have gone to stop at some point when you know they're supposed to be leaving and ending this war in just a few hours time? i don't think so. the american officials will be thinking about going back to apply to someone living in a few hours from now on because i've gone, i will not be happy with this decision or even returning of american troops on regarding a fund. so they will be, i think they will have to rely upon and have to sort of formal cooperation with

them in order to deal with the ice is great and i just try to force on ok. we're going to talk about the relationship between the taliban and ice. ok? just a moment, but 1st a man, let me ask you this. in 2015, the group released an audio tape in which the speaker revealed the group's expansions into what he called the land of a son. and that's a term that encompasses not just have gone to sun, but areas as well as south asia, as well as reportedly parts of china. so how much of a threat does i so opposed to other countries? i would clarify i. li, yes. so originally when is planning a course on proven was announced, i'm pretty sure the idea of that was not only is dan, but a wider reason for example, including packets done and even the line for on the day he talked about attacks and done an interview in 2016,

but what you actually have see now, with these, let me say is a designated that for so goal provinces, for i see bo pack is done and india and a claim attacks and without media propaganda under those tables. so the whole assign the probably label lives the currently now only seems to apply to these dynamics they operating in the borders that are standards as we recognize there. so i g a way, there is what has always been the attack capacity for violence. they'd be your, in the region beyond the, all orders of up get it done. and it would then, it was been formalized through the creation of these separate a separate new provinces. the pakistan in india

has been a long about how was pakistan going to deal with the threat? right. not berkeley does not pose a fetus trigger image, it take the bucks in future if for some preventive able to control in what is done, what if it to ingredients be medical and then it can possibly become just 2 bucks, right. but according to the congressional research service report for had, i mean, it pretty much outlines that many, if it's initial members, were fighters with a ton of bond in pakistan. that's an organization and pack a son, give us some context to that is back in july 2015 when it was the 1st time for when so selfishly launched members directors from fox and about wanting to buy some members from oca, then it's going to be the 2 fund disperse, i believe. so there are a number of folks anytime militants who joined such villages from d. b,

30 bucks to refund. and so over the years they were able to claim the tax impacts. then due to the collaboration with local goods including us, which will allow me because of the collaboration with this book, the able to claim are going to type of protection bucks that i went and made 3900 when they've bonded on slimy states box up or when they're in a way decided to work on individual business instead of liberating with other local american. good. okay. so as you've been hearing the taliban an eyeful k aren't the only armed groups operating in and around. i've gone to sun arcadia has been a primary u. s. target, and i've gone on since 2001 a report by the u. s. defense department says the group poses a limited threat because it's mainly focused on survival. there is also the ha, connie network gets an official semi autonomy component of the afghan taliban, and the ally of al kato, there's also a number of smaller groups, like that's a headache itala by pakistan that's also known as the pakistani taliban fighters

fought alongside the afghan taliban against the afghan government. come run back to you. so report seems to suggest that ice ok are link to the taliban via 3rd party and not party is the connie network. what is the relationship between the 3? so it's not really clear that the hot gandhi network is linked to it. it is definitely the case that the harmonies are linked to both of bonnie intelligence and kaiser. and the ha, connie's now occupied a position in the senior leadership off the top on movement. so, and they claim my institute here in new lines, the super strategy and policies are magazine. the new lines magazine published the piece to be in by an african journalist who interviewed us. connie, the youngest son of the founder of the county network. and the brother of that,

i've been with godaddy, who is the number to leader under malachite, was delighted in the fall of our leadership. and then that piece, you know, it's very clear that the tall a bon counties are very much taller. bon, and they want to be able to gain power and but yes, this is a fluid battlespace. the more hard line elements can, as i've been arguing, can be disillusion very easily. if it's all a bond start to make compromises on ideology. and so, a lot of these have connie's can go over to, you know, the, the ice isis. and because the hard copies are linked to, not just either but other foreign fighters like people from central asia, the russian federation, even weavers. they are, there is a huge risk of this spill already becoming a conduit for people who are now under the paula bon monaco, the, the afghan,

follow me on monitor to go over and crossover and say, you know, we're joining isis and strengthening their ranks. we saw this in theory, you know, there are multiple groups that were not ices, but they lost a lot of fighters to isis over the years. a man how, what is the relationship like between the taliban and ice? ok, are they rivals? as many analysts seem to say or is the relationship not so black and white? you know, i would say it is the black and white relationship between lying state or sun province. and by because by me space view on the view of design or province, at least, and also the wider group, the taliban is become a so called apis. the movement for a number of reasons. one being that they don't implemented by law properly,

but it could go back to a compromise it can run mention. there's also the in the view that they may go outreach to the minority and relations of iran outside of the run. and also that the taliban is suppose the nationalist movement called slots would be a blank space which doesn't recognize national borders, but ultimately once a caliphate that dominates the entire glo. so there's actually a very clear ideological split between the 2. for those reasons, from the states perspective, whether all taliban members of course actually a guilty to the ation, but for some problems makes games. that is another issue. but that's the, that's you have design or some problems, the taliban. and so for that reason the 2 sides are all right,

so then how will the taliban then in now that the taliban is in control of most of have gone to sun. how's it going to ensure that ice ok doesn't gain grounds in the country and doesn't continue to do attacks like the ones that we saw at airport? well, i don't think it's going to be possible to can really destroy, to destroy complete the course on bravo, and then being able to stop it and conduct any operations in my mind. there's always, always going to be people who sympathize with this project and, but i so there will be, there will be a tag, a, i, e, 's nation. and there could be more bombings in the future. blad, more skeptical of the idea of these by the or thought or thought problems being able to call about significant territorial control, breaks out and dancing is governance project. as we saw in the earlier

days. for example, inside also in comparison with the height of its power, the iraq and syria camera, would you like to respond to that? because i know that the beginning of the show you were saying that you believe ice ok. does want to establish a caliphate and, and carve out the ground for them. yes, i mean if you look at the opportunities that a lot of stuff presented us vacuum and the strategic depth, the hottest enjoy in the neighboring pockets on. i mean, this is, this is something that, you know, clearly points to isis investing so many resources into the region because of the need to establish that. i mean they, they have been trying in iraq and syria. they establish this a, it came a bit of sorts, but it was dismantled, they lost their 3 and i think it's going to be some time before they regained their

bearing their here, the conditions are far more right from their point of view. there is no government in our pockets on is a very, very weak state level. you cannot speaking and is already bracing for you know, a spill over from atlanta is done. so, i mean, i would be really surprised if i did not intending the car about a territorial state. i think that the problem that the united states and its allies really base now is not immediately honest on becoming a launchpad for attacks against the west. but i think that what we'll see is a lot of on becoming a nucleus for another attempt at caliphate 2 point. oh, so that is where i think that the focus of the united states and its allies should be in making sure that does not happen. how do you do that is actually very, very difficult because you don't have reliable allies. yes, there is,

and the president is right, president biden. what he said, the column on the interests are what going to drive them to cooperate. but it's not going to be simple. the taller man have to balance many imperatives. so they cannot be a reliable partner. and this is why this fight is going to be very difficult, right? and i think that at some point, when you know, the situation deteriorates. you know, i can see the united states, you know, conducting some operations on its own. what does this holiday unlike it or not? but you know, this is, i'm talking about a medium term scenario. ok if i had the final word to you, i mean come ron was just saying that the taliban leadership share is security now with western countries and the united states or rather the importance of security and i've gone on. so to what extent do you think that ice ok pose a major security challenge for the taliban right now?

and how is the taliban going to deal with them in the shop. the horses went to continue with its fun of creating panic and kill holler in the long term debt. able to get a tree in atlanta thought and able to give them a new medical check. then it will emerge main tract of land valid on. and in order to deal with the credit is very important that they have to ensure that the. busy final ranks of monday may not like them and so it does no kind of any defection to crescent ok, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much to all our guest aim and july and some a me coming on bahati in for the bill. thanks for joining us. thank you for watching . you can see the program again anytime by visiting our website out there a dot com for further discussion, you can go to our facebook page on facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can join the conversation on twitter or handle is at adrian site story for myself and the whole team right here. and how thanks for watching and bye bye. for

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