which has to can an impartial role and has proven it's worth in terms of being a venue for, for mediation and negotiation with the group. and with the other. i've got leaders and then you have the region of parties or countries neighboring. i've got to start . those state must be part of the picture because you say the un resolution last night. it calls on the taliban to allow people to flee by doesn't call on the international community to take them on as a refugees. so they, if they do leave the country, they're going to end up the responsibility of neighboring countries and this is most likely to be boxed on and iran. ok, a very important points at maids that somebody will have to leave that. but thank you so much for providing your analysis on the current situation in afghanistan. we appreciate it. ok, this is al jazeera and these are the headlines. the taliban has taken control of

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we what gives you hope that is going to be peace because the situation on the ground seems to be pointing otherwise we listen. we were never on. 3 whatever road to off migration we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories on sierra news. hi anthony. okay. today on the street, nigeria is kidnapping for ransom. quite says his cam said, i feel on who gangs of targeting children actually target a very high target. no one wants to leave the kids behind this criminal gangs. you know that families to do everything that a con, we would need to spend all of your life tv and get heavy need that, that you know, that you have to do as well. when you find out about community. we saw small

communities, like we probably said, class will not let my g a very like be properly say the community represents or you did perfect, wanting ground for the screaming organic to carry out the enterprise. i am going to greet your paddle today. we have yeah. me. mousie lama. nice to have you here on the stream. yeah. me please tell our audience who you are and what you do. the, the demo, the executive director enough with enough niger. our work on rights. been a citizen and public accountability to have you mouth the welcome to the stream. please introduce yourself. tie international audience. yeah, thanks for having me. me. me, me. my name is melissa shed. go. am the africa director at human rights watch for many years before you come in, the director i was in research, i'll walk in on these types of issues and so would love to come into it from human rights and goals and some recommendations for accountability looking forward to

that balaam, a welcome to the stream. please tell audience who you are. what. what are you going to bring today's child? i nice to be here. without a book i t. i am a senior analyst at the 20 let your students will be mobile change. why research conflicts and development in sub saharan africa with a particular attention to nigeria and the uncle come into today's composition. thank you so much for doing that. all right, so view as we did so much outreach for this program, we felt an official voice was really important to have with a government outreach. we spoke to nigerian police regional authorities, a northwestern part of my jury. fast as ministers, even the president's office. and nobody was keen to be in this conversation. can you believe that? but i know you are. so here you chief, if you're right here with us, he can be in the comments section or do you want back to wrap your conversation,

your thought into today's program. yami as the voice of the people of nigeria. you bring that perspective of enough is enough if we talk about northwest the nigeria of what is going on with kidnapping for rent, and how would you somebody out what story would you tell us? so we understood the problem well, for any parents, if you have a child that does something bad, i'm there no consequences for that bad action. the child will continue. and really that what i would some up can up in the north west of niger other parts of niger and not just the north west, but particularly the north with phoenix. heavy students i kidnapped. and we actually have a negotiation and you have member the equivalent of the parliament saying, well, they're just banded who are really upset with the state of the nation that have a conversation with them. and he had them out. they agreed to when you started dealing with terrorists that small. so to throw in a time from because they're upset and they negotiate and have

a conversation with them. you're basically telling them it's ok. you ok to kidnap it's ok to kill children. it's ok to use human beings on because your government doesn't really value the line. so i think that that's what i would summarize it. bad behavior that's encouraged that at continued marci, i'm just going to have a look here. my laptops, our audience who are watching globally, have a really good sense of where we talking about northwest and nigeria can not things happen around nigeria, but particularly large numbers of school kids happening in the last. i think the last last year and take a peek in december. let me just show everybody little map here. this is january 2020. this is january 2021. look what happened november to january. look how high those numbers are, how many people are being abducted and keep now, what are the circumstances mouthy? how does this even happen?

there's so many, there's so many factors. you know, it's, the problem is multi dimensional. it is complex and it's been going on for years. obviously not at this current level. it's happening on the circumstances are such that one, this part of nigeria is the least developed. it's the least invested in all of the development indices. you want to consider. i that you know, i remember going into it in 2014 and i spent the lowest time i've ever spent in that state there. then for about 23, and so 3 weeks i was there, it's inconceivable that any part of nigeria and nigeria and continue to leave that we thought a but it's so far from you know, what you experience living in, in boucher for example or in legal so even nearby carno there,

very few services available, very few schools and where those calls exist on parents to allow the children to go to school. there's hardly any security menu of the board in school, so called boarding schools, which parents leave their children to leave during the top to to in time time. have no pay me to the basic kelly's to can docs. i'm surprised that this has not happened before. now, and, you know, with, with the cheaper abduction and book of rum, adopting abduction of goals and school children as a weapon of war. it was inevitable that they would find copy, cut groups that hold, find other groups, me making book or run. because guess what, like you said there's been no accountability. i don't know of one single person who has been arrested. i'm right for the to book up for the many up that happened

before then. and i have been involved in bad behavior and then, but you have a situation where people are extremely poor, extreme, get on to people edged and impoverished in the way that people from that region is . those are the pushback. those may well, both criminal downs would always find people to recruit to what for them. but now the, you know, the no feel, you know, from the northern part of nigeria, why the numbers of these kidnappings going up on the northeast, inside an area around. we know what they've been doing over multiple years. on the northwestern side of nigeria, i do have gangs, scooping kids up all the way to school at school. why the numbers go up? yeah, i mean, you, i right. this particular situation most west wayne, one for about 10 years now. i'm going to use proper created by local criminal code

law. can you call funded? abducted all that 10000 people in the last 10 years. x to $18000000.00. buy some estimates, which i think is where lower than b o t goes on, even though they have extorted to be a huge amount of money in the 6 months of pci. why is it going up going up because of the reasons co pinellas mentioned, particularly because it is profitable. if you are making 2000000000 data. if you are making $2000000.00 in a, in a kind of see who, i mean minimum wage is less than $75.00 a month in the country in which 70 percent below the poverty line. then you are making a lot of money and no business making such kind of money would go out of business

that would grow. and that's what we would not be in the private industry because it was lucrative industry in that you'd have to be only that is in effectiveness of this to reach, uterus, pun, student, and intelligence agencies continue to see if they creation may keep growing. and what i invite me to tell you yeah is that is oh, how, how old is that? this is extraordinary one. yeah, it's not please going to be kicked up as well. go ahead. exactly. so i think it is lucrative because it's not just, i mean it's uncomfortable. we're calling them bandit because bandits, you make them in like low level criminal, but i guess they are not. there isn't, there isn't elements. but while quite a bit, some of ideology is what makes why i'm slightly different,

but i'm sure lemme you can speak to the different different groups that are on our car and, and their different plea on ideology and what they are down now using that. yeah. so if you take didn't finish up finish up because i've got a how we know the people are new to jerry and i want to join in the conversation of you finish the point quickly because i'm going to goes guy. you know, i just wanted to say that it's not just about the bandit because there's no way the band is on their own. can do that without the conflict that need to make it the curate, the agencies and the fact that the points you made about the n d a also reinforces that because that's not the 1st time that they buy it. according to the television, this will be the 4th time in the year that the n d a has been attacked. that is the 1st time but embarrassed that a lot. luthey luthey is on youtube right now. the kidnapping issue is out of control. in fact, it's pathetic that the government hasn't done much about the current situation. a lot of people on youtube right now saying that the government of the military is

complicit and, and troy adds on. nigeria need strong government. so we want you to bring in the minister if information in nigeria who is saying something very different from our viewers watching on youtube right now. who is the government is winning one. and i know that's why we can no no use the these kind of media to discuss strategy and security is security. my test, i want to assure you that the government is getting to the root of the problem. but the government is getting to the root of the problem. you say what response it is clearly not if anything the situation is getting out of control more and more with this when you will think it kind of get any was then it tells you know, i can. and that's what we have seen in the last 10 months. so when the new chapter

is not to then get them by 2029, your friend must you not? of students involved in over 1000 students in the north with the north central part of judaea. and we, as we speak, all the 100 of them are still in t v t. now with regard to the question of companies that you of the and i didn't security agencies, i'm not sure i have had a lot of people like this before. now, when i was going out of control and that the jonathan administration and taking over that you did decide, jim, i saw how people would continue to pay the claim speed. i see that the government would invoke what is happening to them. i'm not sure any of the happy to be getting out of now judy and so again,

nice off is that i queued by the and i'm not sure they are completely and i think it's bad to be of that and it's much getting control of the situation even though it continues to do, you know, i mean, it's not a shake. have you ever articulate that? no, go ahead. not go below. what do you mean by completed, or what do you mean by negligent if you're negligence? i'm sorry you're complete, but because negligence just means you're not doing good job, but if you're not doing your job, you are allowing this to happen in my dictionary. that means you accomplish that number one number. got, i mean i'm not president already hold on. hold that. let me finish. i didn't hear you hold on, let me finish my thought. then you can respond for president jonathan did say while there was an office that they were members of who are in his government, he said that it's on record. i didn't know if a president a president sent the members or i'm in his cabinet in administration and the pen you said in our intro,

i don't know of anybody who i think it might be that might have that. i don't know if anybody in the jonathan administration that was prosecuted for being complicit or need lean on one of us or more in the higher administration you had members of the police force, a member of the army project and save their lives there in danger. we signed up to fight when i joined the army, but we cannot fight when i do when we don't have the key but we need and i guess i will keep it for the security chiefs to be removed because there was corruption, the people on that they were complaining, they were removed, we got a new set of security came and i said, wait, all the money that was released. we don't see it. we don't see the money in the bank. neither do we see what it was used for? i'm sorry if you add all these things up without a struggle, but then i just met the conflict that i see that category can let me push for a little bit because i go back and forth and i want to get to what do you do? because in northwestern jerry right now, there are parents who will be going to bed in an hour save time,

and they do not have the kids wisdom. so you can argue back and forth if you want to. but let's see what solutions that you might get. my brain trust, my knowledge trust can come up with it 1st. we'll start with unicef nigeria, who we spoke to just a few hours ago. mostly i would love you to come off the back of regina steph, nigeria. they want some solutions. have anything government must do everything possible to bidding confidence back to the communities that schools are safe yesterday and i met google from somebody and they stories and experiences on imaginable. let's work together do whatever possible that we can do to keep the school safe. so the children learn without fear. yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's about ensuring that schools are safe for children to return to school. and i

use return advisedly because many children already out of school. now i mean, we know already about more than 13000000 children of school age out of school in, in nigeria. and about 70 percent of that number is northern nigeria because of these attacks not chose to keep knocking, bought the big take hold of balance on tension that has been developed this region over the last few decade. but almost at 10 years i from our research, it's been way longer than that. and so you've seen all of these tensions and complete resulting in massive displacement of people, including children. how's it back to school? do you give them better, curity? do you, do you put the police outside of every single school? what do you do? mousie? so you have to be

a convergence of all of. it has to be the community working together because sometimes it will put in security forces around schools and in danger. children become inviting, you can invite some group we're looking for to seize from security forces. and so you have to be it decision that is made together with parents, local community lead us security agencies under the government to decide what, what a community and not just the kids who are a still less in the communities of those who are in disbursement communities. we don't really have come in enough where on a how to the not central as well is in, involved in, in, included in all of this. now it would be one to ensure that all the time, it's the learning species. it doesn't have to be a formal school structure. whatever learning spaces are created, they have to have suitable books, suitable equipment. teachers who are equipped on keeled to teach children. it is

absolutely important that couldn't continue without and didn't to, in the lives of the children. i mean, when you want to wait human rights, if you cannot weigh the rights alive, but the right of way to education is absolutely key, as we most find a way as a country to ensure that children are not left behind. already like i said, we have over 15000070 percent of them are from northern nigeria. these children's lives have been left in the lunch. you know, the opportunities for the future that would affect this country has been abundant by, by the authorities until this steps must be taken to apply. what as mobile schools more, you know, e learning, what about can be made available? we know, you know, we know know, julian's know that the north is under resort. there is not money floating around for digital or a education,

so the kids don't have to risk go into school. they can learn, play home in the safety. connectivity is poor. we know what you're saying is incredibly difficult, and then we're just bringing one more voice track conversation. this is alice, you, mr. who is very pragmatic about why there is a problem for kidnapping for ransom in northwest nigeria, have a listen. adoption has now become so much for being business and other people casually. people want to be creeping. only thing only to do is to go and people. people need plenty of money when the card will give me so much for the fund. it's in me, as you can do a lot of phase where you can nothing school kids make for yourself. money for draw attention. everyone, bahama. this is

a business model. if you haven't been to school, if you've got limited skills, this is, this could be a business model if you're criminal. what else could we do in northwest nigeria to help that business model not be effective any more. it is to make it feasible. when you make it and viable, by making sure i run some paid with the impunity, we see, and it is not about government legislating pain done. so i'm criminalizing parents for safety, and once it is about empowered in the students to read, you forces to make sure that these kinds of kidnappings don't pop in. and when they happen, restore confidence in communities that duty agencies can do. what about the contrary to their loved ones? it is about all the people account that has been, there is no quincy quincy, the criminality on current, unfinished, the them. but we have seen 9. my school keep nothing. none of them but some minds

of activities. kenya, criminal activities laboratory. when we also knew about the i didn't actually check that you completed the 17 security and enforcement agencies are not coordinated. and we need to coordinate them, respond to the situation if we want. but all these security or responses can only contend the violence in order to get to the root of the problem. we have what we can do cation in the economy, infrastructure, and level up bring, i mean, back part of the kenzie also to be possible. now judy, in terms of using a job in terms of producing students who have a good relationship with the country. and so we can take the young people away from criminality extremism. i want to avoid saying over dad,

who experiences exactly what we've been talking about. his children were abducted in may and in august he was asked about that experience and he so defiant about what is important. have a listen to this, that even with this is it is not the me for, i'm taken by sort of because how do you move wherever you take them? if you deny them education, they become very new to the society who i think i have no option to send my children back to school. oh my goodness, jimmy, can you imagine being not dad, that family, the kids like, how do you go to school when you've already been kid not once, but that to me to spirit, right in the north is like we can still keep going. are you seeing that on my imagining that but oh, i mean if you think that she woke up docs and this is 7 years on the chip or goes

where work is not that what parents who refused to send their children back to school. there weren't those who close within their children back to school, and i think since 2014, you had to have a mix of that. some parents which uses them the children back some way. they know they would rather keep their children at home and be guaranteed within their control about the date. what's your conversation about what it is that we can do? we need government or been negligent? i think my dance needs and also not think of the northern problem. it's an existential problem for us. because the more, however you want to die that people think it's, it's lucrative, it's the business. and government continues to not met the necessary consequences. it's not just going to be do not what schools and then not with it, not central. and then it will sort of part of the country. and as the people we need to be beyond a particular part of the country, that's number one. and then 2nd me, we in not only i'm to find the voices and i to keep him and holding

a public official accountable. we also need to look at what we can do within our communities. we, for me, community policing, i want in systems. what are the, what are the mechanisms that when things happens, we can quickly let each other know and, and, and to me as need be. thank you. yeah. me. thank you. mousie. thank you, lama. let me show you where you can find them on social media. nigerian twitter. little bit difficult right now. you know why? but enough is enough. nigeria is on instagram. human rights, what she can follow, what human rights, what she's doing in nigeria right here. and then also, lama mccarty is on twitter. thanks for watching everybody. appreciate your questions. i see you next time take ah,

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