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you can watch english streaming live and i do 2 channels plus thousands of our programs award winning documentaries. and do that need to port the subscriber. you choose dot com, forward slash al jazeera english. ah, hi, i'm 70 okay. today on the stream, nigerian kidnapping for ransom. quite his it kim said, i feel on who gangs of targeting children actually target a very high by target know want to leave the kids behind this criminal gangs. you know that families to do everything that a con, we would need to spend all of your life tv and get heavy need that you know that you have to do, and then you find out about community. we saw

a small community like we probably thought parts of north western nyja berry like the populate that the community represents. are you wanting ground for these criminal gangs to carry out the enterprise? i am going to greet your paddle today. we have yeah. me mousie lama. nice to have you here on the screen. yeah. me please tell the audience who you are and what you do. the, the demo, the executive director enough with enough nigeria, our work on rights than of citizens and public accountability to have you mouth the welcome to the stream. please introduce yourself. try international audience. yeah, thanks for having me. me me, me. my name is melissa chicago. i am the africa director at human rights watch for many years before you come in the director i was in research, i'll walk in on this sets of issues. and so would love to come into it from a human rights elbow on some recommendations for accountability. looking forward to

that balaam, a welcome to the stream, please to orient who you are and what you, what are you going to bring today's child? i nice to be here without a book i t, i am a senior analyst at the 20 students will be mobile change where i research conflicts and development in sub saharan africa with a particular attention to nigeria and the uncle come into today's composition. thank you so much for doing that. all right, so view as we did so much outreach for this program, we felt an official voice was really important to have with a government outreach. we spoke to nigerian police regional authorities in northwestern part of my jerry as ministers, even the president's office. and nobody was keen to be in this conversation. can you believe that? but i know you are. so here you chief, if you're right here with us, he can be in the comments section. i was you want back to wrap your conversation,

go thought into today's program. yami as the voice of the people of nigeria. you bring that perspective of enough is enough. if we talk about northwest the nigeria of what is going on with kidnapping for rent, and how would you say somebody out? what story would you tell us? so we understood the problem well, for any parents, if you have a child that does something bad and there are no consequences for that bad action, the child will continue. and really that what i would some up can up in the north west of niger other parts of niger, not just the north west, but particularly the north phoenix, heavy students i kidnapped. and we actually have a negotiation and you have member the equivalent of the parliament saying, well, they're just banded who are really upset with the state of the nation that have a conversation with them and get them out. the read the when you started dealing with terrorists that small. so to throw in a time from because they're upset and they negotiate and have

a conversation with them. you're basically telling them it's ok. you ok to kidnap it's ok to kill children. it's ok to use human beings on because your government doesn't really value the life. so i think that that's what i would summarize it. bad behavior that's encouraged that continues to massey. i'm just going to have a look here. my laptops are audience who are watching globally, have a really good sense of where we talking about northwest and nigeria can not things happen around nigeria, but particularly large numbers of school kids happening in the last. i would think the last last year and take a peek in december. let me just show everybody little map here. this is january 2020. this is january 2021. look what happened november to january. look how high those numbers are, how many people are being abducted and kidnapped, what are the circumstances, mousy? how does this even happen?

there's so many, there's so many factors. you know, it's, the problem is multi dimensional. it is complex and it's been going on for years. obviously not. or this current level. it's happening on the circumstances are such that one, this part of nigeria is the least developed. it's the least invested in all of the development indices. you want to consider. i that, you know, i remember going into it in 2014 and i spent the lowest time i've ever spent in that speed. there been for about 23. and so 3 weeks i was there. it's inconceivable that any part of nigeria and nigerians continue to leave that we thought a spot far far from what you experience living in, in boucher for example, or in the nearby tunnel there. they've very few services available. very few

schools and where those schools exist on parents to allow the children to go to school. there is hardly any security. many of the boys in school so called boarding schools, which you'll pay parents leave their children to leave during the tougher. tough time have no pay, may be basically suton dogs. i'm surprised that this has not happened before now and you know, with, with be cheaper, abduction and book or rum, adopting abduction of goals and school children as a weapon of war. it was inevitable that they would find copy, cut groups that holds plants or the groups me making book or run because guess what? like you said there's been no accountability. i don't know of one single person who has been arrested. i'm right for the to book up for the many up that happened

before then and after then it involved in but behavior and then, but you have a situation where people are extremely poor. extreme get on the people edged an impoverished in the way that people from that region is those are the push back. those will both criminal downs will always find people to recruit to what for them belong to you know, the no feel, you know, from the northern part of nigeria, why the numbers of these kidnappings growing up on the northeast side in the area around. we know what they've been doing over multiple years. and the northwestern side of nigeria, i do have gangs, scooping kids up all the way to school at school. i for numbers gone up. yeah, i mean, you, i right. this particular situation most where when one for about 10 years now created by local criminal code law, can you call funded?

abducted all that 10000 people in the last 10 years extorted over 18000000 dollars by some estimates, which i think is where they go to you guys. and even though they have extorted to be an ira, that's huge amount of money. in the 6 months of pci, why is it going up going up because of the reasons copeland at least mentioned, particularly because it is profitable. if you are making $2000000000.00 that are you making $2000000.00 in a in a can see i mean minimum wage is less than $75.00 a month in the country in which 70 percent below the poverty line. then you are making a lot of money and no business making such kind of money would go out of business

that would grow. and that's what we would not be driving industry because it was no creative industry in that you'd have to be only that is in effectiveness of this to reach, uterus, pun students and intelligence agencies continue to see if they are confronting creation may keep growing within, invade military yeah, and that is how, how old is that? this is extraordinary. the 1st one. yeah. it's not a policeman or been kidnapped as well. go ahead. exactly. so i think it is lucrative because it's not just, i mean it's uncomfortable. we're calling them bandit because bandits just make them in like low level criminal, but i guess they are not. there's. there's an element while quite a bit in terms of ideology is what makes the difference. but i'm sure lemme you can

speak to the different different groups that are on our car, and they're different plea on ideology and what they're down now using that. yeah. so i p t. yep, i finish up things up because i've got a whole lot of people are new chief areas and i want to join the conversation of you finish the point quickly cuz i'm going to go see him guys. know i just wanted to say that it's not just about the bandit because there's no way the band is on their own. can do that without the complicit need to have major the curate the agencies and the fact that the points you made about the n d. a also important that because that's not the 1st time that they buy it. according to the new television, this will be the 4th time in the year that the n d b an attack that is the 1st time but embarrassed by lukea lu cheese on a youtube right now. the kidnapping issue is out of control. in fact, it's pathetic that the government hasn't done much about the current situation. a lot of people on youtube right now saying that the government of the military is

complicit and, and troy ad on nigeria need strong government. so we want you to bring in the minister if information in nigeria who is saying something very different from our viewers who are watching on youtube right now. who is the government is winning one . and i know that's why we cannot, you know, use the, these kind of media to discuss strategy and security is security. but i want to show you that the government is getting to the root of the problem. but the government is getting to the rest of the problem. you say what in response? and he's clearly not if anything, the situation is getting out of control more and more with this when you would think it kind of get any was then it tells you know, i can. and that's what we have seen in the last 10 months. so when the new chapter

is not going to then it seems to them by 2029. your friend musket. nothing of students involved him over 1000 students in the north with the north central part of judaea. and we, as we speak all the 100000000 cup t v t. now with regard to the question on police, did you not? you didn't squeaky agencies, i'm not sure i have had a lot of people like this before. now, when i was going out of control and that the jonathan administration and teaching over now, besides jim, i saw how people would continue to pay the conspiracy theory that the government was involved in what is happening to them. i'm not sure any government. happy to be getting out of now judy and get off is that i queued by the p and i'm not sure they

are completely and i think it's bad to see of that. and it's much getting control of the situation even though it continues to me. it's not a shake. had he ever articulate that? no. go ahead. not go below. what do you mean by completed, or what do you mean by negligent if you're negligence? i'm sorry. you're completed, because the negligence just means you're not doing your job. but if you're not doing your job, you are allowing this to happen in my dictionary. that means you accomplish that number one number. got, i mean i know that there are many fitness i didn't hear you hold on, let me finish my thought. then you can response for president jonathan did say while there was an office that they were members of in his government, he said that it's on record. i didn't know if a president assisting president, send the members in his cabinet in administration. and then you said in our intro,

i don't know of anybody who i think it might be that might have that. i don't know if anybody in the jonathan administration that was prosecuted for being complicit or any one of us are, i'm not in the administration. you had numbers all the police for a member of the army, protect and save their lives there in danger. we find up to fight when i joined the army. well, we cannot fight when i do when we don't have the key, but we need and i just, i will keep it for the security chief to be removed because there was corruption, the people on that they were complaining, they were removed, we got a new set of security who came in, i said, wait, all the money that was released. we don't see it. we don't see the money in the bank. neither do we see what it was used for? i'm sorry if you add all these things up without a struggle, but then i just met the complaint that i see that category can let me push for a little bit back and forth. and i want to get to what do you do? because in northwest and jerry right now, there are parents who will be going to bed in an hour save time,

and they do not have the kids wisdom. so you can argue back and forth if you want to. but let's see what solutions that you might. you know, my brain trusts my knowledge. trust can come up with it. first of all, start with unicef nigeria, who we spoke to just a few hours ago. mostly i would love you to come off the back of regina steph, nigeria. they want some solution. have anything government must do everything possible to bidding confidence back to the communities that schools are safe yesterday and so i met google from somebody and they stories and experiences and imaginable. let's work together. do whatever possible that we can do to keep the school is safe. so the children learn without fear. yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's about ensuring that schools are safe for children to return to school. and i

use return advisedly because many children already out of school. now, i mean we know ravia, that's more than 13000000 children of school age out of school in, in nigeria. and about 70 percent of that number is northern nigeria because of these attacks not chose to keep knocking, bought the b this take hold of barley and on pension that has been developed this region over the last few decade. well, i'm us at 10 years i from our research, it's been way longer than that. and so you've seen all of this tensions and conflict resulting in massive displacement of people, including children. how's he came to school? do you give them better curity? do you, do you put the police outside of every single school? what do you do? mousie. and so you have to be

a convergence of all of. it has to be the community working together because sometimes it will put, insecurity, force is our own schools. and in danger, children can invite and invite some group we're looking for to seize from security forces. and so, you know, it has to be it decision that is made together with parents. local community lead as security agencies under the government to decide what, what a community and not just the kids who are still left in the community or those who are in disbursement communities. we don't really have come in in the northwest. well, and i have to the not central as well, it's an involved in, in included in all of this. now it would be one to ensure that all the time, it's the learning species. it doesn't have to be a formal school structure. whatever, learning spaces are created, they have to have suitable books, suitable equipment teachers who are equipped on keels to teach children. it is

absolutely important that couldn't, continues without and didn't in the lives of the children. i mean, when you, once away human rights, if you cannot weigh the rights alive, but the rights of the way to education is absolutely key, as we most find a way as a country to ensure that children are not left behind. already like i said, we have about 13000070 percent of them are from northern nigeria. these children's lives have been left in the lunch. you know the opportunities for the future that would affect this country has been abandoned by, by the authorities until the steps must be taken to fight. what a mobile school more you know e learning, what about can be made available? no, no. no. no julians know that the north is under resort. there is no money floating around for digital or

a education. so the kids don't have to risk go into school. they can learn, play home in the safety. connectivity is poor. we know what you're saying is incredibly difficult. let me just bring in one more voice frank conversation. this is alice. you must, who is very pragmatic about why there is a problem for kidnapping for ransom in northwest nigeria, have a listen. adoption has now become so much for being business and other people. actually, people want to be creekmore. anything. all you need to do is to go and pick people and plenty of money when the card will give me so much for the fund. it's in me, as you can do a lot of phase where nothing. school kids make money for draw attention. everyone below my this is our business model. if you

haven't been to school, if you've got limited skills, is, is, could be a business model. if you're criminal, what else could we do in northwest my area to help that business model not be effective anymore? it is to make it feasible. when you make it and viable, by making sure i run some paid with the impunity. we see. and it is not about government legislating, pain done so i'm criminalizing parents for safety, and not once it is about empowered in the students to easy forces to make sure that these kinds of kidnappings gone public. and when they happen, restore confidence in communities that security agencies can do what they can create to their loved ones. it is about all the people account that has been there is no consequences. the criminality going on current, unfinished, the them. but we have seen 9 must kidnapping. none of the muslim mines of

activities here. criminal activities web wrote. but we also knew about the students to rekey. as you checked out, the complete 17 security enforcement agencies are not coordinated. and we need to coordinate them, respond to the situation if we want. but all these security or responses can only contend violence in order to get to the root of the problem. we have what we can do cation in the economy, infrastructure, and level up bring, i mean, backpack mckenzie. also to be possible. now judy, in terms of using a job, in terms of producing students who have a good relationship with the country. and so we can take the young people away from criminality extremism. i want to avoid saying over dad,

who experiences exactly what we've been talking about. his children were abducted in may. and in august he was asked about that experience and he so defiant about what is important. have a listen to this, that even with this is not the me for, i'm taken by sort of because how do you move wherever you take them? if you deny them education, they become very new to this society who i think i have no option to send my children back to school. oh my goodness. yeah. me, can you imagine being not dad, that family, the kids like, how do you go to school when you've already been kid not once, but that to me, to spirit. right. in the north is like, we can still keep going. are you seeing that on my imagining that it's both. i mean, if you think that she woke up docs and this is 7 years on the chip or goes where

work is not there, what parents who refused to send their children back to school, there were those who close within their children back to school. and i think since 2014, you had to have a mix of that, some parents which is to send the children back some way they know they're rather keep their children at home and be guaranteed, i mean, within their control. what's your conversation about what it is that we can do? we need government out of the been negligent, i think my dance needs and also not think of that as a northern problem. it's an existential problem for us. because the what, however you want to die that people think it, it look at the business and government continues to not met the necessary consequences. it's not just going to be do not what schools and then not when it's not central. and then it will sort of part of the country. and as the people we need to see beyond a particular part of the country, that's number one. and then 2nd me. when in not only i'm to find the voices and i

to keep holding a public official accountable, we'll also need to look at what we can do within our communities. we, for me, community policing, i want in systems. what are the, what are the mechanisms so that when things happen, we can quickly let each other know and, and to the need maybe in thank you hear me. thank you. mousie. thank you for lama. let me show you where you can find them on social media, nigerian twitter. little bit difficult right now. you know why? but enough is enough. nigeria is on instagram. human rights, what she can follow, what human rights, what she's doing in nigeria right here. and then also, lama mccarty is on twitter. thanks for watching everybody. appreciate your questions. i see you next time take ah, [000:00:00;00]

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