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extinction with betty. and we have jenny allan and refer to see or 3 of you, jenny, please introduce yourself to the stream audience. tell them who you are and what you do. ok, i'm jenny condit. i am an a member of extinction rebellion. i'm retired now, but for many years i was in the finance business. i was banker with j. p. morgan for 20 years. and i hope to bring some of that background to the fight. and i would really nice to have you in the stream introduce yourself global audience. yeah. hello everybody. my name is dr. terry, i'm the scientist by background i used to work up in the tips for the climate change is impacts on the payment process and how that accelerates. the feedback sets up the climate change process and i kind of started, i didn't want to study the problems anymore. and stay away from the solution. so now i see research climate communications and how we can improve public understanding about what's happening and get more people in goals and taking action

. talk more about that in just a moment, then hello, welcome to the stream. introduce yourself, our dance. i'm professor report read. i teach philosophy at the university of anglia, where i work alongside some of the world's leading climate scientists. i used to be a spokesperson for exxon, and i wrote a book called extinction rebellion insights from the inside. all right, so audience, you, as you have met the panel, what do you want to awesome? if you on youtube, you can put your comments or questions right in the comments section. be part of today's show. it's not going to save us. we are now at the right amount to see we need to be standing together to allow rob previous to extract in this way. they just not listening. they're only interested. i cannot make right mind. just look at whether, you know, economic growth is what causes a birth,

whether system. the idea is to be able to hold responsible to corporations and who have explored one field on holiday nation. we want to be able to tell the truth and also show that the need help for them. as a member of the news, i spend the much we really are and i have to say that conversation, those conversations, they sound bite, passion, urgency, people are really, really ramped up about what way we all right now with our climate crisis. why do you not seeing that in the general public why we not in general, i think we are seeing that in the general public in pulling danger, it's very clear that the overwhelming majority of the public are very concerned about climate change. actually that's become more so since these protest started

happening, which i, she's being a real uptick in the amount of concern. but people are saying it's actually the number 2 issue in terms of public concern in the u. k. now having police that these protest people ready, people often often ask janica, what is the reaction on what is the reaction on the street? and i've been, i've been in the streets for the last week and a half. and the thing i most often hear the phrase i most often hear from the public is thank you. they get it. they feel urgency to and they're grateful that we're out there and doing this. what do you think somebody who was part of extinction? rebellion, rupert, what do you think really sums up the ethos of the organization? what they're trying to do because with construction pictures during this conversation. and there are landmarks that if people know london, they will see. and they will say, wow, how do you get a bus to do that? and what, how does you close down tower bridge? and what is the connection between shutting down

a very busy metropolitan area and the climate crisis? yes, so i think it's clear that extinction rebellion having an effect there and so right now through the current process, i'd also like to go back though, if i need to april 2019 to the 1st extinction rebellion in london. and it's extremely clear that was the trigger for the enormous up surge in climate concern that we've had over the last few years. at least if you came to some extent in the country. it's very, very clear from the opinion polls. at the same time though, i would like to ask a question, which is, is it clear that this is going to continue to be the case if extinction? rebellion continue to be the case and all that happens, and i'm not sure that it will. in other words, it may be that extinction rebellion have had an amazing impact in 2019 and in the couple of years since then. but it might also be that other organizations may now

be needed to take the message further forward. because i suspect, but quite a lot of the public are not going to find themselves willing to identify with the client very full on, justified, but very full on protest. civic rebellion are engaging. and so my view is that it's possible that the most important long term impact of extension. rebellion may be that it has rit token a space that others may be able to inhabit it, work as a radical flame. and it may now be time, or it may be time for some huge new motor, a flame to step into the space that it is opened up and perhaps get a lot, a much larger cohort of the population of countries like the u. k. the usa, france, and germany on side. jenny, a work has done question by what i would really like to say to that that, that there are many strings for the bow and there is space in the climate site for

different kinds of organizations. but at the same time, it's thanks in rebellion. it's not standing still. we're not just replaying the same sorts of ideas that we've had this particular week we're really focused on the city of london. of the reason for that is because finance plays a critical role in the the, the production of fossil fuels. and so that's where we're heading now and i would say our focus now is not so much on telling the truth. i think people get it, you know, we all understand that we're in a climate climate emergency. but what we're not doing is seeing urgency in action. and that i think is going to be the focus of extension rebellion in the next few days. and perhaps the next year i want to show you jenny, i think what he says there is that salute be right. and again, it is clear that extinction rebellion is having an effect is clearly the right thing. perfect thought to be targeting the city. but it is also clear that the

number that those in bold and extinction rebellion are not on the on the right. the numbers in this rebellion are less, for example, then in october 2019. that's very clear. so my suggestion is that what was really needed now is for others to take full advantage of the space that extinction rebellion has opened up. it has moved the agenda to raise climate consciousness decisively. but it might be that there are other organizations, other ways of doing things that will be easier to get the majority of the population actually behind the actual changes that we need. if we're going to survive a decade. and i just bring in another voice into our discussion right now, and this is the voice of jason scott warren. i love you to have a listen to jason. just come off the back of his for after agree. i'm just intrigued about how you might pack the so just curious can exhaust the dial in climate. i'm not the confident that it can,

but i am hopeful because i think that non violent civil disobedience has a good record historically as a way of making change. i do think we need a very broad base of public support for this thing. we need people to pile in behind us and to express their support. whether that's just in discussions in conversation, whether it's st donating, whether it's through getting in touch with your local ex, or group, and offer and bring your support and your talent, your, your talents, your skills, your knowledge to the cause. i think it needs people to recognize that some measure of disruptive protest will have to happen and we're going to get our politicians to make change the change we need at the pace we need. all right, so i guess one thing that i would say straight away is that one of the things that's really clear from the way the execution rebellion have been communicating is that they're not just communicating through their worth or, or communicating through their actions. so when we see people go out and take part

in civil disobedience, that is to break the law willingly peacefully. what we actually see then is somebody who is acting in a way which is very out of the ordinary way, makes them think, well, what one at this driven somebody to the point that they're willing to sacrifice themselves in this way for a cause. and then we start to kind of listen to what they're actually saying and what they're explaining is that they're really terrified because of what's happening. and the fact that governments are picking anything like the action necessary. and so we start to understand, actually these people just like you and me, a lot of them talking about their professional background to their talk to sarah lecturers. there are teachers and all sorts of different people with grandparents and families. and so we're all on the street and just trying to talk to people and

get them to understand that the way that we carry on with our day to day lives, though that the problem is, is profit, right? the fact that we only carry on an emergency, and so we just carry with business usual and just keep recreating what they're trying to challenge. and so by disrupting the day to day, the game just to actually stop and, and think about the fact that carrying on with the day to day as normal is actually leading us to disaster. i think also that this week has been very much a function of talking with the public and having conversations not just disrupting there was a very pick pink table. we know we've all seen that on the news, but there were hundreds of small paint tables at those think tables. we were having one on one crisis talks. ah, people were very, very ready to come up and chat with us and talk about their fears. tell us what they liked and didn't like about the ex or movement, and we share the ideas that advances are thinking. and it definitely,

i believe expands the movement. so i think x r has a place to be. danny, i want to move the young tactics of x all into what's the content? the real message has been full. this impossible rebellion protests have a look here on my laptop. if it's from x of twitter account, stop or new fossil fuel investment immediately. i'm just gonna click for a couple of these pictures. this is one of the key messages from the protests in the past couple of days. jenny, tell us more. well, that's our new 4th demand, and it's critically important. we want to see we want the spigot of oil to be turned off for that to happen. we're also going to have to turn off the top of money which flows into the oil business. the oil companies, in fact, right now have intentions of projections that they've published. suspend fast quantities in the next 5 years. specifically,

exxon wants to send 20 to 25000000000 a year and further exploration and development b p. 's plan and then $53000000000.00 in the next 5 years. so where are they going to get that money? they don't have it. they need to go to the city to, to finance, to obtain loans, and other forms to finance the keep that going. if we can pressure the financial institutions to not proof of that, but as then i think that's going to be an essential part of how we move forward. you may ask, how are we going to get the financial companies to do that? well, we are lucky, we have a thing called the bank of england here at the bank of england can be, should be regulating banks. they should be understanding that the amount of risk in the, in the fossil fuel business now is such that they should be either put a cap on the amount of lending that banks are able to do to carbon intensive industries. or at least make it more expensive for them to do that. so that's kind

of the pattern of what happens. and we think there's an enormous opportunity in london. this is one of the 2 great centers of finance in the world. and it's one where we have, as i said, a clear regulator who is independent and can bring some sanity to the situation. all right, if i'm going to put some questions toward a few from youtube audience, because you say you want to start this conversation with the puppet. you absolutely have done that on this show. let me put this to you are, excuse me, sorry for putting in to you. this is make us bella, she says, and she's watching right now. is there any hope left for this tonic? you'll climate find? absolutely. in some ways, the people on the street, the hope that's left for the planet, i think for me, we need to understand that we are facing lots of different future possibilities. and those possibilities are based on the choices that we make here and now. and if

we carry on choosing to fossil fuels and we are heading to a very, very bleak future. but if we can stop burning fossil fuels as quickly as possible, then we can still save an awful lot. so really the choice is that we're making day today and our publications and finance industries are making all around us. what shaping the future us to come. and we really have to shake the conversation and make it so clear that we are not prepared to accept full security toward this disaster scenario. and why we just really like to add is what's really care about extinction rebellions message to start over. so you'll investment now, is that exactly what the site is also saying? that's what it says in the international energy agencies reports. that's what it says in the i p cc reports. so it's a very simple, clear and scientifically accurate science. i want to move on because i've got lots

of questions. i want to share them amongst all of all of the guests. so this one from you from s p to 17. that's watching civil disobedience is all this ever brought social change? look at the suffragettes, civil rights, etc. nobody wants to cause disruption, but it's all. but if, if it's all the governments will listen to, there is no choice. we put quick response to that, no choice. you've got to be disruptive. yeah, absolutely. it is very, very clear. and if we think forward, if we think forward to say 2050, what will history say about it? thanks. rebellion, it's a no brainer. of course history will say the people that era extension belly and may not be very popular at the moment. but you've got to remember that most of the king was called the most dangerous man in america, that the suffrage is at the time were incredibly unpopular. man, so civil, non violent civil disobedience works and it's not always popular appetite,

but it judged as successful in retrospect. only scenario on which things rebellion don't come out. this is heroes. it's no history used to be written. a tool is good if we lose so badly and no one got to look back on this. jenny, i've got one more thought from you, and this comes from again, from youtube. thank you very shortly. and today's a really catch of our initial point when we started off the show, i b met fly. what is the end goal of the extension? rebellion just briefly jenny, what do you want? oh, i want a better world. i want a world where we contain to a reasonable degree, the climate devastation that's going on. i have to answer this question with being the grandmother. i'm wanting my grandchildren to have a reasonable world to live and want them to be able to have children. oh, and that's that, that's what extension rebellion is trying to accomplish along with many other

organizations we need we need a future that we can be pleased to walk into. i'm good to go here to as it's really row, no report. i'm just going to show it here. my laptop, a guess i know you know this. i p. c. c. climate change 2021. the physical science basis. and i click on one more the phrase that was used in this report code rate, un scientists warn of worsening global warming. i just want to bring in one more voice and this is neat, his voice, who talks about knowing about the fi, it's knowing about the report that we've had one after another after another. and then the way that governments react. let's have a look. let's have a listen. the pcp report just came out showing the action we have right now determine whether or not about the impact of the kind of crisis. and yeah, sure you have, for example, the government are continuing to explore new oil fields such as the camera will

field continuing the paycheck around project, despite the devastating environmental consequences and continuing to pull huge stuff to be entity, intensive, nice to industry. despite the fact that this industry produces moving truck got emissions and the transport factor out about the negative consequences to people, particularly local communities, the most vulnerable population nationally, globally o. r. and jenny, governments know this, then no jeep it. but why we it, why we it code red k. so there's been unbelievable pulling in action on this for such a long time. but now moving to a moment when that could change, which is the cock at all. go the big climate conference in november. but i'm going to say something on current, unpopular potentially now and controversial, which is that that conference is virtually bound to fail. it will fail us as they

failed us previously, even the parents agreement in 2015, which was an amazing diplomatic achievement, is a paper tiger. and we're on course for if we stick to the parents agreement, where on course, even then the civilizational meltdown. so the bottom line is that there are no adults, there is no capillary writing to the rescue. and really a crucial message that i would like to give to everyone watching tonight who is thinking, what can i do, or what, what should we do in this situation? is we need to act on this together and we need to act on it with our expectation that our governments are going to save us some right to the rescue. because they are not, they are planning to fail us. they are planning to continue to failure, which has been end to make for such a long time. and as we go into why, why do you say that they're trying to is it because they're so much money in fossil fuels, that there is no way that government can walk away from money and investment in

developing fossil fuels because of the money. right. it's telling me that it's partly because of the media. i mean, this is a very unusual program where it thinks from rebellion is getting really quite a fair hearing. usually my experience and others experience, i'm sure, is it extensions 1000000000 gets attacked and, and hounded and coordinate side. the media is itself largely a huge sets of corporations which are, which are owned in many cases by the super rich or by those who have interest connected to fossil fuels. even now the or of course is not immune from that, but i say it's the only area to get the range not ready for him to watch a lot. go blash right now. all right, jenny, what we code re, you've been like now we were yelling and screaming on what stop in traffic because nobody has been not enough. people been listening?

well, i think that's right. the message i would have to everybody listening is join us. rupert's right, we need more people in this movement and i do not believe that the government is going to give us an easy way out of this. the system that created the circumstances were in that that, that's not a system that's going to get us out of the circumstance. i don't believe without immense pressure. so we need a lot more people involved in this fight. i think it's ironic that the government is so tied to the fossil fuel industry in that that industry is going to die. it may take a little while it may take a long while, but that's not where the future is. that's not where the future of investment returns or it's not where the in the future of jobs or the, the alternative energy world is going to need vast investment over the next 50 years. and that's what the government should be focusing on. i feel that you've got

to save us, right? you feel the climate scientists, he's learned how to communicate with the public. so you've got, we've got the silver bullet. aaron, save us. are you going to do that? well, i wouldn't disagree with anything that is being said, but i think one of the things that i think hadn't been put into that conversation so far is the fact that actually one of the things that been holding us back is the fact that we, we felt alone in feeling that we care about these issues, but no one else does because we haven't seen that reflected back to us because of what we've been the media. but actually if we start having conversations with all our friends and family and all our colleagues and explain to them how we're feeling about climate change and how we want to see action and our ideas for what solutions might look like. then we can start changing this kind of social, social, cultural discussion and break because to be again talking about climate change and what you find people really think that they're alone in being concerned about this

. but what you'll find is that when you start to bring it up as a conversation with, with your friends and family, that most people are really relieved that someone is finally brought up. because they've been home worrying about to thinking about it too. and it's only when we start talking about it that we can come together and start coming up with solution making decisions about how we might go for a protest or might set up a local clean energy company in our area or whatever it is. but the point is that we need to talk about this all the time every day. so if you haven't talked about climate change today, go start doing straight after this program. i thank you so much. i really right? yeah. he's right. i think it gets the last word replace it. that's okay. because i want to tell people where to find all of you find, find climate activists. if you look on my laptop right here, this is extinction. rebellion they are, they will over the place or will ever so show they have have a l on twitter. this is dr. iron. terry, he's on twitter. and finally,

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