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ah, ah, he was president joe biden has strongly defended his decision to withdraw from a gun to son. but as the taliban celebrates what it seems as a clear victory, has a us conceded defeat. and could this hurt america's image on the world stage? this isn't like story. ah, ah, ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm daddy and obligate an extraordinary success. that's what us president joe biden called the end of america. the longest war during an address to his nation,

president joe biden defended his decision to pull troops out of have gone on before all americans were air lifted, his face criticism for the chaos of the past few weeks. as a gun is done rapidly fell under taliban control, but biden largely blamed afghan forces, who were quickly defeated by the taliban. so should america have predicted the calamity that came with its withdrawal? and what could have been done differently? we'll put that to our guests shortly. but 1st, this report from alan fisher at the white house, my fellow americans, the war in afghanistan is now over. joe biden brought an end to america's involvement to end its longest war 20 years, which still lives cost money, and damage to medic. his image in the world war to remove the taliban, which again sits in power and cabal. were left for the simple decision either follow through on the commit made by the last administration and leave afghanistan

. or say we weren't levy and commit another tens of thousands more troops going back to war. that was the choice, the real choice between libby or escalating. he promised all americans who wanted to leave would be evacuated before the u. s. military where they went somewhere between one and 200 are still they are stranded, but biting insists not forgotten. and for those remaining americans, there is no deadline. we remain committed to get them out if they want to come out . but the president pace is going criticism from political opponents and even though is on his own site, the say he fail his leadership, fail, america, fail the lives have got to stop the accountability needs to be there. but most importantly, americans need to be able to be brought home. this cannot be our history. this

cannot be where this ends. we will not allow a. 6 whitening says he did the best job possible after the previous administration . never mentioning, come find name, signed to deal to pill, trips out without political assurance that until the new threat group behind last week, suicide attack at the international airport. there was this warning to ices k. we are not done with you yet. beer left, organized and carried out in such a short space of time, was undoubtedly a military, diplomatic, and humanitarian success with americans left behind it. for very little america has questions to ask about this involvement in afghanistan. questions that are obvious and difficult. you're biting has been politically damaged by what has happened over the last few weeks. he didn't start the war, but what happened at the end? well, hang over the remainder of his time and often allen fisher, i'll just eat up at the white house. ah,

let's bring in our guests. joining us from frankfurt as lieutenant general retired ben hodges from the center for european policy analysis. he's also a former director of operations of regional come out and south kandahar in of gone . it's done over and his lot about this and just keep a security and defense analyst. and joining us from washington, david said need, who's a senior associate at the center for strategic and international studies. he's also a former deputy us assistant secretary of defense for i've got to stand on pakistan as well. thank you so much for speaking to us on inside story, david said neil start over. i'll start with you 1st in washington. i suppose it's not really a surprise that the president is trying to put a positive spin on this. but if you compare his tone with the tone of many in the u . s. analyst as well as a media, the one word that's being heard over and over again is the word failure. what do you think the u. s. actually achieved over 20 years?

occupation of afghanistan. well, that's a great question and i think it is one that we won't be able to answer for some time to come. and in the midst of the crisis like this snap judgment by me or others is probably not very worthwhile. but i know many people are i think that the focus right now should be, as my focuses on getting, and many of our partners people who relied and depended upon us in the past, out of the country. there's clearly been many mistakes made in the way in the way we carried out the policies and mistakes made by president biden and policies that he made. but that is all in the past. now, what we can only do in the present is to get as many people out here who want to leave, who believe they are indefinitely danger from the taliban. but david, i mean, we need to look at the past and look at what's happened and i've gone on the u. s.

as role here, and i'm sure, you know of general family mcchrystal. he served as commander of us and nato forces . and i've got to start in 2009 to 2010. so this is what he explained in the run up to the 2009 serge of us troops. he said the objective was that the government of a gun is don, sufficiently control its territory to support regional stability and prevent its use for international terrorism. if you look at that object, this specifically was that achieved again, there have been many objectives stated by many people. over the past 20 years. you can see recordings and they're all over the media now of our current representative masters on a holler side saying that our objective in going into afghanistan was to eradicate the remnants of the taliban and bring democracy. that is something that he said back in 2002 different people have said different things with different levels of authority. one thing i think is clear, we did not have

a single unified objective. as we were in afghanistan, there were always multiple objectives stated by different people. and that led to a lot of confusion about whether we succeeded or not. but i have to say that this kind of blame gaming right now is irrelevant because we're more facts will come out more and more opinions will come out and, and it's not over yet. united states is not out of afghanistan. united states has several 100000 people that but that believe and i believed them. they want to leave afghanistan because they threw up the threat from natal bond. we need to focus on getting them out now in order to fulfill our responsibility to them. okay, in general hodges over to you, i know that you have thought about this long and hard because you have written an opinion piece in the new york post. i'm looking at it right now. the title is how we as a nation, and i, as a military officer, failed enough. gone on. what was the biggest mistake that was made in your opinion?

well sir, somebody say it's nice to be participating in this day with mild kindergarten, cali, david, 73 mistakes. first, the, the initial mistake was that we took her eye off the ball and the beginning, diverting towards iraq, which had nothing to do with $911.00 right. at the point where we had almost accomplished the initial objective of eliminating our cut in the taliban in afghanistan. if we the left, then without going to right, we would not be having this interview today. the 2nd mistake, and i think i've been some responsibility for this, is when i was working in the pentagon, we were part of an effort to expand the strategy or implement a strategy into account pakistan. i believed many others believe that pakistan was an hour and they were not,

i had diluted myself that they were. but it became clear that they were not in that they were giving say, haven to the taliban. and of course, when the summer been loud and was killed in a large home down the street from the military academy of pakistan, it was clear that this part of our strategy had been incomplete. and then the 3rd thing i would mention is again, i was part of the problem here. the african security forces. there are thousands of brave, courageous app can soldiers know how to fight. i saw them side, but the model that we designed was more akin to a western model which depends on massive, overwhelming, foreign power analysts, logistics exclusion intelligence capabilities. and as long as the afghans had that working with us, african security forces were very effective. when the previous administration made the decision to, to make the agreement with the taliban and cut out the government. then it became

just a matter of time. and the model that we are designed could not sustain itself without the support from the outlaws, and in 2010 i. so they affected when i believe that this is really going to work. i was the leader, wrong, general, hardest on the issue of the afghan army, i've gone forces. president biden said that american troops cannot and should not be fighting in a war and dying in a war that afghan forces are not willing to fight for themselves. to what extent is that true that the will to fight wasn't there? i mean, approximately $89000000000.00 has been pumped into the afghan national army by us taxpayers. is it simply a matter of will? well, it's a little bit more complex than that but. but yes, at the end of the day, african soldiers police, i think they felt abandoned by their own leadership. in many cases,

they were aware of the corruption in the highest levels of the government. and even in some parts of the military soldier for not getting rations, ammunition, they were not going to get medically evacuated if they were wounded, unless the americans were there to do it. and so i think they lost confidence in their own leadership. and frankly, after the, the agreement was made last year that the united states was going to depart sometime in 2021. then the taliban approached all of the different commanders, the rather saying that they look the americans are going to be gone in a few months. and if you don't surrender, when we show up, then you and your family will be killed. and i think that's why there was this rapid collapse despite our, our best efforts. and so, as we know, so much of the fighting power comes from will and believing in what it is you're

buying for, ok, and over. and as long as you know, the estimates put the cost of this war a to trillion dollars. we know in more than 2000 us troops were killed. 47000 off gun civilians at least over 66000 after the national military and police were killed in this 20 year war. but the question does remain this, that the war actually achieve its objective of avenging the 911 attack from the us . because we know the former president bush or the us invasion of afghanistan in the wake of those $911.00 terror attacks see it. that's something that's very difficult to say because if you feel like whatever happened and upon the phone with all the lives lost in tax fee of money to be avenged. 911. i don't think so because what we're doing now is that the us to try with them. i don't,

a lot of humanitarian missions started in the as well. but now that the troops are leaving the situation that, that exists, that so we want to fun with not democratic. he made the strong enough strong rule of government. we see with the taliban coming in father. and we do see that if there is a military takeover by being honest and in particular, who's to say that we're not anticipating another $911.00. how does park test on stand to gain or lose from all of this? and general hodges, in his opinion piece, wrote this, we thought pakistan was an ally. they were not what's been pakistan's role and all of this. absolutely. so walker found was one of the with tim, off this war and we saw in the fall,

most of the bond was that through borders and it's gone up to just on the k p problems. we saw a lot of inside and tv saw a lot of old with the ttp, the terry bon pockets on you know, frankly, i'm concerned right now was one because the rise is not a bond in, on the, on now. has given a, you know, they, they definitely going to be consequences in terms of, you know, newfound roles for the ttp. now we do know that a lot of support has gone to the ttp because recently before that a lot of the p b commanders were released by positive on. so another aspect, but content means sitting in this mom about this, the fact that yes, we're taking in refugees. but we, equipped as a country to deal with the possible insurgents. all possible why didn't

extremism that might come as a root or in the disguise. off su g, because that's also a concern for us. and david and as i was talking about the concern for security over in pakistan, but security is also a concern for americans because latest pulling points to the fact that most americans believe that the situation in i've got going to son now poses a security threat to the united states, what do you think of that? i mean, is the u. s. in a better or worse position? now, security wise after the chaos and i've done it on the united states is in a worse position now than we were 6 months ago when president biden took office because of the decisions he's made. united states is in a much worse position now than it was 3 years ago, because the decisions that present trapped me, we have made

a series of decisions that have made it much more likely that afghanistan will become an active, effective hub for terrorism against united states we see now kind of leaders earning to their homes and afghan austin, accepting praise along the way. villages turning out to cheer them, getting autographs, doing selfies with al qaeda leaders. as your earlier guest, as the taliban have released many to rekey taliban leaders who have gone back to pakistan where they will be attacking pakistan. so this is a place to understand is now a place is a danger to the region and the world. and that's because of mistakes united states may, pakistan, has played a dual role as, as my former colleague and good friends have been, hodges said that we thought pockets i was an, as some people like that was, they were wrong. there are parts of the text, any leadership civilian such as your call, your colleague who understand the situation. but there are elements in the military leadership of the military and intelligence in pakistan have supported the taliban

fully supported the taliban. but that's led to consequences for pakistan that are very dangerous, such as terrorism, refugees. but that is what pakistan deserves in a sense because their leadership has supported, the tal body continues to do so. so very complicated situation. but bottom line to your question are american safer? now than they were 6 months ago, 3 years ago. no, general hodges, would you like to respond to that or add anything on the taliban is saying? or at least what they said during the doha agreement is that they wouldn't allow of don installed to be used as a haven for other terrorist groups to launch their attacks from their well, look, the taliban had a real challenge of their own. were thousands of other extreme as they just talked about that that have come back in there that are not interested in seeing that in a stand become a stable country. i think pakistan of course, does not want to see

a strong stable in a stand on its western border that is friendly to india. and so there are a lot of different challenges there and the taliban do not yet have complete control. i'm not confused or naive about who the taliban are there. they are well known but i think that even they know. busy that they're gonna have to have some sort of international legitimacy so that they can get the finances that they need, if they're going to be able to run afghanistan as a country and whatever, and whatever means. and so i think i can envision a time in the not too distant future where we're going to work directly or indirectly, perhaps through intermediaries like guitar or even turkey, to figure out how do we enable some sort of stabilization there. so that in a, sam does not, in fact,

become this training area and launching pad that it was 20 years ago. the fact is, military is only part of the solution to countering terrorism. we've got to understand the source why, why the young women and men, even in european and american cities, joined organizations that put people in our jump suit and then cut their head off. where does the money for this come from and, and i think we have got to dry up the finances that enable is extreme organizations as well. what impact general hodges, and to speak those from frank? for let me just ask you what impact this is going to have on the u. s. his relationship with allies over in europe. because some say the european allies were in fact a little bit blindsided by the u. s. pullouts. you know, that's exactly right. i live here in frankfort and i have spoken with trends and senior officials here in germany as well as in other countries. and they were in

fact caught by surprise by this. and unfortunately we have a tendency and this is not recent. i mean, this just happened even during the obama administration as well, to act and then inform allies, which is significantly different than consulting with us. and i think this is gotta be if the, by the ministration of serious was a believe they are about diplomacy leading our foreign policy. that means we have got to work with alex. and i think we've got a lot of work to do to regain the competence of oliver. i was, i think at the end of the day, people here in europe and around the world know that the united states is reliable . it's just hard. we're. we don't do a good job of consultation and we're going to have to do a lot better of that. and the keyboard is your expectation of what's going to happen in the short term,

at least then i've gone on in the short term. i think that there is going to be a lot off, you know, turbulence in upon this on because, you know, be on talking about the punch your region where the n r s is already fighting with the bonds also intend off. you know, one thing that is for sure, i mean, there was a lot of talk that my colleagues mentioned about the financing aspect of things. and i would like to also talk about the fact that we all know the kind of lifestyle that the former president is eating that needs to be attract, that needs to be kept on aware that kind of finance came from as well. now we know that up on the phone, whether the short term or long term is in one country that we have whatever you've land in the past few decades, is that it can not you run by one kind of government or one stakeholder in

particular. there is always room for negotiations and renegotiation, anton, and paul hawk, even with the taliban in particular. i just feel like initial on they need to. they are going to, if they want to change. i see that there is going to be a lot of turbulence in the honest and i think your people says on when not equipped at this point in time to handle on this on, and it's on and i think, you know, eventually that's all, let's hope for the best, but i think that there is going to be a ticking time bomb visit. they can time mom, david biden's critics at least will, will say this is a stain on his presidency. they've been saying it's a betrayal, a sign of weakness, but then on the other end of the spectrum, you have some who say, well this is the boldest foreign policy move made by us president. he wasn't able to do, he did rather with 3 president weren't able to do before him. what is it,

do you think? well, a bold mistake is a stain. so just being bold is not good being correct as good being, being right as good, advancing for from the us perspective, dancing us national security interest is good. as i said before, my in my view of the u. s. is more dangerous in a more dangerous position, diesel, the terrorism today than it was 6 months ago. the united states position with allies is much degraded because of the lack of consultations. united states also is seen by the rest of the world and having failed in afghanistan, president biden has said that it would, it's good to leave because russia and china want to see us bog down. that's unfortunately a long assessment of chinese and russians views. the chinese russians are much happier to see the states defeated and understand. they are already using us failure in afghanistan as part of their foreign policy to total countries. don't

rely on the u. s. it failed in f. m. stand if betrayed its allies and understand you can't trust united states and they're using that with other countries in the struggle in the geopolitical struggle. we're happy with russia and china. so unfortunately, i agree. what he did was could be, might be described by some people as both, but that's not the issue. the issue is, was it right? and my view is clearly wrong. ok on that now we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much. my guess for joining us, retired lieutenant general ben hodges, and that's a key been david 70. thanks for your time. thanks for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. you can go to our facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. concerning the conversation on twitter as well or handle as adrian site story for myself and the whole team here. and thanks for watching bye for now, [000:00:00;00]

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