reese's, collapsing economy, get better from this point on. it's a heavy word. treason, and i'm going inside to tell them myself. you fiercely criticize alexis suppresses government for adhering to the bailout term. and for its deal with macedonia of the use of the dispute. a geographical name, the editor rebel, and ever striving to voice the views and the music of his country. ah, ah, hello again. the headlines on al jazeera britain says it has no plans to recognize the taliban government being formed in kindest on, but is ready to engage directly with the group. foreign secretary dominic rob made the comments during talks and jo, how would this cut our counterpart?

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news. news 1000 about guns of left country and many more are still waiting to get out. but while some nations welcomes them, others are trying to keep them out. so what options do african refugees have and who should look after them? this isn't typhoid. ah, ah, ah. hello there and welcome to the program. i'm the start the okay. now as the taliban works to set up a government, it says will be inclusive. it faces several challenges. the united nations has warned that up to half a 1000000 afghans could leave their country by the end of this year. and

governments in the region are bracing for a possible refugee crisis. the european union says it will help those countries, hearst, the refugees. but some european deed is all concerned about a repeat of the 2015 syrian refugee emergency. and now a number of western nations have been trying to find temporary solutions and 3rd countries until the afghans are processed and relocated. but pakistan and other bordering states have one been not prepared to taken more people. i spoke to the pakistani ambassador to the united nations about that situation on the border with afghanistan last week. this is what he told me. he said that many crisis in c lodge. those are refugees on our borders in order to other neighbors and be just not in a position to take more refugees because we have already got 3000000 african refugees . so it's a big concern for us. so we have to deal with the situation. we have to deal with the terrorist terrorism. ready threat,

and of course we are hoping that as soon as the country and inclusive government, we will be able to engage with them and to move forward on steps to stabilize stabilize. we or many of those who have flown out of afghanistan were taken to centers setup in several countries, including germany. spain is becca st. on and cut off. and many of those you left couple on us evacuation slides remain at the database near the catherine capital, doha, they're waiting for the papers to be processed before going on to their next destination . while uganda, mexico, columbia, andrew wanda, as well as a number of other countries, are also temporarily hosting african refugees. let's take a look at some of the numbers now and where some of the evacuees are actually going more than 123000 people will el, lifted by us forces on the coalition partners off to the taliban take over. the us said it flew out nearly 80000 civilians from couple and others more than 73500.

what either afghans or other foreign nationals, the u. k for its part has thrown out more than 15000 people. some 8000 of them were scans. well, this current crisis comes on top of the 2200000 african refugees are already in neighboring countries. and 3500000 people who are forced to flee their homes within afghanistan borders. ah, now before we introduce our panel today, let's speak to nor i'll how can see me. he's the founder and director of the afghanistan and central asian association. that's an organization that's helping african refugees. he also flat off kind of stone himself back in 190-1909. he joins us now from london. mister the c. me. thank you so much for your time. i know it's a very busy moment for you and your organization. i know a number of the refugees that you're currently working with a country and quarantine before they're properly resettled. and can you give us

a sense of what you're hearing from them? so for the past 2 weeks since call was captured on we have be we so many, or maybe thousands of people from are going to living in the united kingdom who are coming to the center to get some information on garden to bidding their farm. it is going on because they are very emotional and i'm anxious about that. you'd vision what's going on and on. but then at the center we have is thought that more than 2 for good food contina of clothes and donations. so there's no hope outside land where 1000000 than you are people leaving now did you mention those people who just come from them as well in current teen oscillation, the really big lead and the next maybe one recall and under that again,

we've begun by busy because of their high demand for the services that the new people should be given. cause i'm carry yourself flat afghan, asked on some decades back and you talked about the anxiety that you were hearing from some of these families. i know this must be a very traumatic time for them. what was some of your own concerns that your priorities when you left the country? you know, i left we, we were formerly more children on the back cover almost one to 2 years ago in 1994. and again, it was to escape the war, understand that all of on it was impossible to leave and that it's all about whether you do not have space or on you couldn't get outside the home. you couldn't walk on the farm, any member, including what you had, why? so i defend,

i'm q sion torturing this one of the big problems that i've done and so under the thought of on. and then secondly, we have the need or intervention in 2001 where we started a new law on that. we have so much attention from the rules, the infrastructure and be some of the few activities that i'm seeing on the huge improvement and the woman noise. i'm the human i've been, i've done this on, that's why i was talking about the importance of support the been given to i'm going to be brief and i want to go i do want to ask you about the people that you are still in touch with enough canister on at the moment, the ones who haven't managed to actually leave yet. what are they telling you about their plans now, especially given what you're telling me about your concern that people are going to right now. they are hoping for

a safe passage. i many quoted due to non german us when i was here and in you the government, i was working but hard to establish our problem. i was never in companies and this is the only hope that the people are now looking for. nor l. harkness see me there, the founder and director of the afghanistan and central asian association. thanks so much for your time, so we do wish you all the best with your work. thank you very much. thank. well, that's not bringing our guests in push out. we have sharon barrage i, he's a political analyst covering pakistan. and paris france was a man, a professor of environmental geo politics and migration dynamics at the parents institute of political studies. and in time paula, uganda, we have marian to rabo, a human rights activist and politician. thank you all for joining us today. now i

do want to start with where we are now that all of these official ellis prevented their all moves that teams to get couple airport open with some category and tucker support. and i think the taliban has promised, but i've gotten nationals who have valid travel documents from another country they will be allowed to leave from was. are you confident that we can hold the taliban to their promises? will people be allowed to go? no, i'm not going to get it all and i'm afraid that the taliban will make sure that nobody can escape the country and stuff. my biggest, here at the moment is that there are still 1000 tens of thousands of i'm again, we're desperate to need a country. and i am very concerned that only the most privileged only the most connected will be able to leave the country. whereas the other will remain in the country. i think that this is a threat to the really for all doors will be in the country. and clearly the process should have begun way earlier. but what we need to do is to establish save

korea so that the people went through with gave the benny been redeem a get do so. well, i want to look at just how many more people were potentially looking at and how they might try to flee. now to get a better sense of dealing with, let's look at a map of afghanistan. now, afghans who are wanting to leave the country have very limited options. the taliban apparently controlled all the mainland crossings. you can see them here on the map, dotted around the border and orange. it also controls the airports. now the un has urged afghanistan's neighbors to keep their borders open to refugees, but is becca stone for one has closed its main crossing point, citing security no plans at the moment. and we open at pakistan, which has the longest border with afghanistan, has also said it won't accept refugees now. sure as your emphasis with some 50 kilometers from the border. i believe i see that last friday to africa and we're actually reported he killed by pakistani security forces at the talking border

crossing after trying to enter legal. what's the situation like on the border now? i thank you very much for having me on the show on has the longest as you know line was gone in the 19501890 the pre. 5 numerous, why the border can be crossed, fucking funding, defense things in order for the last but then a full of things to goals. major one is where i am there for charlotte and other they involved in germany and also mothers open trade because i've got to find a latin upcountry and it depends on you know, commodity. they cannot keep bugging. funny. so the water is open trade but

not both. until recently, even yesterday, i've got to be able to cross the other main crossing tillman in, but i just thought from it and they would come. but today bobby found interior minister as their dad would be loving. so we had to see because i, what we could see here, there can be sometimes different, but it's a thing different be very, very, very fluid situation in a number of countries now trying to get as many people out as possible as quickly as possible. i see a number of countries did ask for favors from 3rd countries to house people temporarily. i think you can to has already what is it one point? 5000000 refugees. the largest of any country in africa, mary, and i know a lot of those are primarily from south to don, democratic republic of congo, but now they're adding africans to that mix. how do you get to feel about that?

well, i would say foods, even though it's been a very will come in country like you had said that we rounded by a country that was sick and we as a nation have a 6 year conference. so we do understand what it means to be in. now will and to leave for your home country. so we basically knew going to, we have a generous, i would say for foreign policy. however, there is some skepticism about why we have to, you know, the compositions, why we have to come, perhaps refugees from across another question, then can they have been people who have raised funds and we do understand the situation and it's been described, but people have concerns that why, why now, why would the government of uganda accept to have people who are miles and miles

away in a different quin connect? and given the relationship that the strain relationship that the government to be gone to has had we with the government to be of the united states of america to nothings in the killings that took place in the 2021 election was particularly one political party being really, which hunted and most of the supports it's still missing up to now that is the nation and but for so many have created but you know, you're going to just trying to clean up it's smith because right before the announcement of the refugees coming back, the states did go on media to kind of get and could you 5 to security forces for tiny to torture? so they are claims speculations within the public that she is try but they have the govern. government did accept this just, you know,

meant that relationship and maybe put text themselves to the, the guy with the given the she would clearly and i'll come back to you in a moment about that marian, because i do want to bring in francois. i want to also bring up that math again because there is this very, very long border with iran that, that i've got astonishes as regarded as fairly porous. many refugees, i know we're hoping to use it to cross and then travel on to turkey and then onto europe. greece is already fortified it's, it's very big war and anticipation of those most movements. and frankly, given how politically charged all of this is, how is all of that going over, especially after what happens in 2015? i'm afraid this is going very, very badly. and indeed, as you just recall, everyone in europe is very much concerned and very much i read that the, as i cried, this doesn't fall into doesn't 15, it will repeat again. and therefore,

most you've been lead us today view our gun refugees are put on health grid for euro, which is like the ultimate thread of that we see people themselves in here as a potential threat and danger for europe. and therefore, we're in a situation really well. knock on 3 is really willing to atlanta. i've done reviews, european countries. i told them that they taking to the brand of the burden we're at. if you look at the number of worldwide, there are roughly 2600000. i've got to reproduce worldwide, that's roughly 11 percent of the total number of reviews. and only 30 percent of these refugees are being welcome to being hosted in europe as we speak right? no, but we need to keep in mind that i've done reviews are most of the largest group of a valid peak of in some european countries like france and belgium. and that trend of increase over the past few years. and obviously will continue to increase in the

coming weeks and in the coming months. but really, the, everybody situation right now is that most likely to remain in the country because they have nowhere, nowhere else to go and know the country is really seemed willing to accept them. which mean that the flows of refugees will be decided and raised by muslim unless you're out or other countries possibly could come up with a solution and reset them a scheme with your credo. then we'll arrange these to read up. and that means that government will have absolutely no control over that from mentioned some security concerns that i know that's being also cited by the pakistani government as a reason to not take african refugees at the moment and there were a number of releases by the taliban of pakistani medicines, as, as they advanced across the country,

how real are those security threats at the moment? and is that actually jeopardizing the humanitarian situation on the board that all refugees paying for? really some, some political dynamics and other concerns throughout yes, i mean government is concerned about as dimensions of the military were relieved and un ackerman and the minute they were fighting the bike is done in the past and the things that they could, you know, use and standing, even though the short little ones that big will not allow anyone to be used again again, any of that. but here they would like to bring in the session and i would like to bring the, bring up a point. i think it's too early to say hundreds and how the

will come from it all depends on the behavior on the conduct, the attitude of the on. so they have be behaving differently better than when they were in their 90. so we had just to be to see if a thousands of people wouldn't leave people who wanted to leave on august. but mostly i've been populations in couple of the people who are one of the western governments at natal, and they will appear in the wrong way. but we don't know people from whom we'll leave. it all depends on the as i said on the, on the of the valuable, actively people who was likely to be the could be,

will be ethnic minorities such as big projects. i don't think like many will come will lead from, especially from the rural areas. yes. people might leave on, it tried to come to bark and thought because it is an english speaking country officer like his english and it is about 20 years. the young people were trained in the big english language skills. i feel and if there are not many economic opportunities, weatherbug would not all be challenges with the fee pace. now ignore with challenges. then bills kill what goes economic mike there might come to pocket because they got to go to the central asian country like it's also on and i don't think marian, i'm sorry, i don't want to run out of time. and i do want to ask about the economics behind

the resettlement as well of these refugees. marian, i know, obviously you gotta struggle with tourism under the pandemic that we've been living through. and it has been some speculation that obviously the u. s. is putting the bill for the refugees who are coming to you ganga. is that to think big considerations for the government and in choosing to do this it could be because right now i would say that the couldn't be, didn't quite by gate key does in kampala town locked up. so because of the high taxes and then i give meant was that we, we have been locked down, we do not have money and the a to input the higher taxes are not how me supposed to make business is going to be really struggling marketing and was so when, when the question when you had about this deal was going to fit the bill and the was you going to government quickly gave me just said the us,

it's putting the bill. yes, it was a big consideration because i don't think the, the government right now had the capacity to take an extra g. shirley with the one of the people from us. can you spend the security risk that it comes with? all that about that, of course, for me. so i don't want to let you go without asking you about some of the other concerns here that african refugees are facing. it's not just conflict on the taliban. there is also a severe drought going on. massive concerns about food and security, and i also know that you are complying, that issues. do you think potentially that political refugees are given more privacy in these dialogues that we're having about asylum seekers rather than other issues that might be related to, to the economics and, and secure an instability around climate issues is not being given enough thought here. really not enough, and really i don't want to make

a year at the bidding that would be more deserving. done. prediction from another li, believe refugees are completely deserving protection. but the reality is that worldwide, there are roughly 3 times more people displayed by disaster. draw the flaws her again, the people displayed by war and violence, which means that when we look at these 2 men of protection that we have at hand, clearly many of them our day that we look at the contemporary really the 4th migration and the tuition is that of item is being restricted every day, be wherever it should be allowed to do all the categories. and i think that most countries, right, no outcomes then that they can isolate themselves by building wars and fences. and yet, the reality is, is that more and more people will be migrating into the government that we can only

facto this issue through international cooperation rather than through building vote and fashion, which will not deter people from migrating these words and fans will only reassure people was already within these wall, but will only make migration more lee and more dangerous. and we're having these conversations now about temporary refugees potentially. but it most remains to be seeing just how temporary that is. i see all of you nodding in agreement about how we need to expand these definitions and expand the help that we all given to giving to, to various different asylum seekers. not only from afghanistan but elsewhere. and i do really want to thank you for all the time that you've given us today and all the work that you are doing. so let's say thank you then to all of our guests, that's nor i'll how can you see me? sure, as perhaps from suarez, i'm in marietta rather, and we do really wish you all the best with was that you are doing. thank you to

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