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those who are you the economy, oil supplier, it's actually a doctors, nurses, each of rank designers. those are the 1st to leave and they are leaving and done go 1000. and that's actually would mean that the economy has gone up even further, and travel agents say they're receiving an unprecedented number of calls. and we're seeing an increase in people booking flights out of lebanon on a one way ticket with no return, especially those that already have residence as abroad, but a chosen to live here, such as students or those relatives and other countries as been difficult because like none of my friends have remains and i don't have any more family there in the same says most of his friends like dory of left for europe. he sad to be leaving his home and family behind. but he's looking forward to future. he says with new opportunities abroad, the ones he fought for, so tires 11 on the hard for you to coming and i'm sure you don't degrade height at
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. i'll just 0 beirut. like, ah, the headlines on al jazeera fighting and have done this done is escalating between the taliban and a resistance group and depend your value north of the capital capital f and the only province to hold out against taliban rule. despite being entirely surrounded, the european union has set out conditions for a time with the taliban, that you wants to have what it calls a presence in capital to oversee more evacuations. if security measures are in place, foreign policy chief, joseph burrell, says that doesn't mean the block will recognize the taliban, who had been basket to come, shield on coordinate in the context with italy, events with that event with the new government vanish 10. including with jain, you presence ink of all coordinated with that and i to service if the
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security conditions allow for it from that we should support the departure of nation nosy to be a nation. not that i still there and i've gotten and risk the u. k. says it's boosting aid for i've gone on neighbors as they deal with refugees fleeing the country. so many probably speaking in pakistan's capital is lama bad. where he's hell talks with the government. police in new zealand have shot and killed a man after he was after he stabbed rather 6 people at a supermarket. but the government's calling an eyeful inspired attack authority say the man was this relying can national us president joe biden has promised federal help for northeastern states. after remnants of hurricane ida hit, the region. severe flooding is reported over a 400 kilometers stretch from maryland to new york. those are the headlines on al jazeera inside story is up. next,
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bye bye news. news. news. news. news from wildfires, flood extreme weather events have become more common around the wild and many rich countries are now feeling a devastating impact. so will this lead to more action and how can we prepare for the challenge of the head? this isn't tied story ah, ah, hello there and welcome to the program. i'm the soviet hey. now as
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a global temperatures of stored in recent decades, there's been a significant increase in the number of weather related disasters. the u. n. is wanting these extreme conditions are likely to continue and worse than if we don't take action. now at the moment, the ne, in united states is evaluating the destruction left behind by hurricane ida, which caused extensive damage from louisiana to new york city. will bring in august and just a moment, but fast this update from kristen filling me in new jersey. the ne woke up to flooded cities and impossible streets. many had to be rescued as the remnants of hurricane ida made their way north, more than 3 days after 1st making landfall. thousands of kilometers away in louisiana. there were even tornadoes, seeming to catch heavily populated big cities like philadelphia, off guard, with record rainfall. serious flooding caused the complete shutdown of the subway system. the new york borough of queens suffered the most fatalities in the
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city, at least 12 resident dying, as water flooded basement apartment. the 1st crisis for new york's new governor, the human loss, which is hard to imagine that people simply in their cars, in their homes and their basements, that come to the ravages of a brutal storm. and their families must just be in such pain this morning. in new jersey, governor phil murphy was out early thursday, visiting the town of malacca hill hit by those tornadoes which left at the station normally associated with the southern united states. the ferocity of the storm took many by surprise trapping families in basement apartments and motorists on road ways that quickly turn to rivers more than 20 centimeters of rain fell overnight in some areas. that's as much as typically falls in the entire month of september. when i saw that this man we spoke to in new jersey,
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had stopped in his truck to take a video with water and the street suddenly began to rise the river. all the sudden i looked on the road and louis it was like a river coming towards me. and me and my daughter, my 12 year with me and we just panic. i put in a 4 wheel drive and just backed out real quick before the summers. my truck, northeastern governors and president biden say the trail of destruction left by ida is yet more evidence of climate changes impact on weather systems across the united states and bite and says the country needs to prepare for more to come. we need to act. and congress returns this month. i'm going to press further action on my bill bag. better plan that's going to make historic investments and in electrical infrastructure. modernizing our roads, bridges are water systems. for those left, counting the cost, divide as destruction. relief can't come soon enough. christian salumi al jazeera,
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new jersey on the un says weather related disasters have increased fivefold in the past 50 years. now this fear alone reco breaking wildfires triggered by unprecedented heat waves of course, extensive damage in europe across siberia and north america. the rise and global temperatures and the warming of oceans have also strengthened the intensity of tropical storms. and that's causing extreme rainfall and devastating flooding from china to germany. and now the u. s. but still more than 90 percent of deaths related to whether disasters have occurred in developing nations. madagascar has now enjoyed 4 years of drought, and is on the brink of the world's 1st climate induced famine. the. well, let's now bring in august in washington dc. we have michael dorsey, he's a planetary emergency partnership member and also a full member of the environmental protection agency's national advisory committee
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and reading in the u. k. we have richard allen. he's a professor of climate science in the department of meteorology at the university of reading and also the cur, lead author of the intergovernmental panel on climate change report that just came out and in new delhi contribution ceo of the international forum for environment, sustainability and technology thank you, old gentleman said, joining us today. i want to start with what we've seen over the last week. now michael, as someone who has been involved with climate related policy in the united states, i'm guessing that what we've seen given the warnings around hurricane i, the, the fires around lake tahoe that none of this has come as any surprise to you. so what's your assessment of how it's all been dealt with? what really and united states of them the unfolding climate crisis has been dealt with absolutely poorly, particularly by both political side. so on the right, we have a sort of a policy denial madness, no policy, no commitment. on the left, we've got a slow walk about,
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but oftentimes in circles with not enough ambition. got it, i think, is more patch characterized by what you might say. it's politics gets a friendlier, you know, just to go. secretary lincoln appointed as his top energy advisor, an o, and from the oil and gas sector. nothing could be more daft, given this unfolding crisis. we've also got low ambition, though, president biden as the united states, back in the paris agreement, that he put us in, not in a much more robust way. so we've really got to get ahead of this crisis in a way that's purpose and fit for scale. and if we don't get what death, and they're going to be particularly a concentrated on the poorest of society, those on the margins of society. most of the people that died across the u. s. in the past few days were poor black and brown, folks, folks living in basements that weren't fit for, for, and so forth. so we've got this policy incoherence that really damned, those that are on the margins of society. unfortunately,
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you mentioned semester doesn't of death that we saw there. now when i was trying to understand the destruction that hurricane ida ross and i came across the graph that really struck me and i want to bring it up for our viewers. it is around looking at the temperature how the temperature of the oceans is really increased over the last century. and that's a hugely, hugely significant jump. i know that scientists are saying warmer water will make hurricanes, stronger flow. a and, and whether, richard, you were the lead also on the water cycles part of the i pcc report. can you explain that phenomenon for us? yes, so i'm in tropical i claims like either a fuels by the energy in the upper layers of the ocean for the layers of the ocean is ruling, gives more power to the clone. but even more important to some of the impacts we're saying currently across the united states is the fact that there's more water in a room or atmosphere. and that again can power the site claim by releasing energy in the atmosphere. but also it is policy intensity of the rainfall. we've seen
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shades amounts of rain forwarding and a very short amount of time. and that leads to severe impacts. so the warming of climate change to humans is making these the strongest cycling strong vote, but particularly it's making the rain for heavier and when there's coastal inundation inundation, this is worse because sea levels the higher because of the will motions on the melting device. well, i know south asia, for instance, has also been experiencing intensified flooding associated landslides with that over the last few months. so as we've been talking about, really developed nations have been seeing some of the bruns of all of this floods in western europe. the heat wave in canada, snow in texas, chandra, know you've been working on these issues for years now that richard country is feeling a bit more of the pain. do you think that will actually spell more action? i hope so. you know, so far it was all about worked on trees and undeveloped countries getting hit by
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extreme weather, even sand. no one of these things have been happening in my part of the was over the last decade and a half. i can very clearly remember in early 2000, so we had devastating project growth, outpatient. and this is happening every year. but so far it was all about developing countries that low resilience. and that could be, you know, ignored. but what we have seen to see is that rich countries are not going to escape this devastation as well. what happened in germany and belgium was not what people dying actually middle class got effected. and the fire in california, which is raising right now, it is affecting rich house owners. so it is quite clear that climate change, even if you are, you are over the country. it is not going to spare you. it is going to devastate economy. that is going to destroy infrastructure,
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and it's going to kill people. so i think it is time that everyone realizes it and accepts this fact and start working together. well, let's take a look at what lies ahead for all of us as a while. then i know the i pcc expert report on climate change that just came out last month. really summarizes quite a lot of this policy makers. so let's look at a couple of quotes from that. many changes in the climate system become larger and direct relation to increasing global warming. they include increases in the frequency and intensity of hot extremes. marine heat waves, heavy precipitation, agricultural and ecological droughts in some regions. and proportion of intense tropical psych current as well as reductions and arctic sea ice snow cover and pama for ourselves quite a lot that there's more continued global warming is projected to further intensify the global water cycle, including its variability, global monsoon precipitation and the severity of wet and dry events, but should i know that you are the author who actually drafted that statement on
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that is this call for the well to take immediate action to try to mitigate some of this, but looking at what's already locked into the system based on what we've already admitted this phrase, inevitable, irreversible. what should we be bracing for, richard? well, you're right in some aspects irreversible thoughts. a lot of the extremes are signal moment, can be limited with strong, rapid and sustained cuts in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. so what we're seeing now is just to start essentially. so free warming continue unchecked, and of course we're going to see these extreme right and for events, severity of droughts was far events melting of ice intensify into the future. so it's clearly obvious from the science which is outlined in the r p c. c report that needs to be a limit thing of carbon dioxide emissions. now the greenhouse gases, to,
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to stop this further intensification, despite the warnings that we've been hearing from scientists like yourself, richard, the speed and the intensity of these events seems to be catching government's people every day. people by surprise. now we've seen all of this very plainly over the last week in the u. s. michael, how are people that are getting it so wrong in terms of predicting what's going to happen? so i don't think really getting it wrong. i think we really don't have a sufficiently robust response and we see that in terms of the commitments to reduce emissions if the president, president biden has certainly pointed to the country in the right direction. but he's off the mark by about 50, or as much as 100 percent of neutrality is no longer the destination that we need to be pointing towards. really, we've got to think about carbon negativity and really aggressively getting there and being on a pathway that you know rapidly reduces emissions. and also we've got to get out of
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moving money, particularly federal money subsidies into the, the thing that's causing the problem as the fossil fuel sector. we don't have a plan, a united states to dial out of fossil fuels. it's absolutely ridiculous, after you know, decades of reporting from intergovernmental panel on climate change and many others from many, many, you know, some of the united nations framework, conventional and climate shift. there's absolutely no organized thinking at the federal government level to en fossil to subsidies. we've got to do much more in that way to check what's driving this problem, that fossil fuel sector, and then really ramp up really aggressively the way in which we reduce emissions. and if we don't do those 2 things, we're going to be stuck with this problem unfolding and more and more catastrophic waste time. oh, you're talking about mitigating some of the emissions and some of the, the impact of those emissions. but it does seem that we are at the moment on track to a 1.5 degrees celsius increase by around 20 se,
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if not the middle of this century mean that that's pretty terrifying. so much of preparing for extreme events. so isn't just about evacuation people, the preparedness that we've been talking about, that about much deeper adaptation, especially when it comes to infrastructure and things like that. now i'm curious, chandra, your sitting that and south asia. do you see the political well at home to get this done? but i don't see political in south asia and i don't see political will across the world. the fact is that over the last 20 years, that hasn't been significant change in, in our energy mix across the world. despite the fact that renewables are cheaper, anybody electricity's cheaper, 80 percent of our primary energy still comes from fossil fuels. the only difference is that some countries, bun, call, and other natural gas europe, and us have both to natural, cheap, natural gas and convertible claim that they are doing great. but unfortunately, they are not the fossil fuel addiction that is there in the developed water is also
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that in the developing world. now we have to make sure, and i want to, i want to still be much more upfront on this issue and said that let's get rid of fossil fuel over the next 20 years. now, before you know this, this extreme that, that even hit us, the debate in the u. s. was actually on oil prices bite and administration wanted to loyal place. ok, just just few weeks back. that was the debate in the us. now if you have these kind of the base, then how are you, how are you going to solve climate crisis? unfortunately, you're not going to solve traces. so i think it is in walking back up across the like the political leadership understands that we are now. we should start talking about the end of fossil fuel era. if we are not talking about and fossil fuel, we are not serious about climate change. while at throw this then to resident scientists, richard. so much of my understanding around this is around the unpredictability of
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events, right? so not being able to prepare for the extreme whether that potentially lies ahead. we now have, i believe, more days to do that, as well as looking at what happens when multiple extreme events happen all at once and how they're all linked. how reliably, at the moment you think, as a scientist, can we predict the future? especially given that there are some big potential tipping points that people have been speculating about that could change everything. you know. so there are certain a huge number of ways we can be better prepared for. first i just, just to pick up on your previous guests point, which i completely agree. rhythm the, the i p c. c report. and the latest one is clear, and it involves policy makers in the process of approving line by line, the summary, and in the, in its states. we cannot limit warming to below 2 degrees,
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or is 1.5 degrees above pre industrial without these strong rapid sustain costs and c o 2, but not only up getting down to net 0. c o 2 emissions, which essentially means any residual emissions of c o 2 through burning of oil, gas or cold or using use of a cement has to be balanced out by sucking back carbon from the atmosphere in various ways. by for example, carbon capture and storage technologies go. busy yeah, growing, sustained, forest, natural, native forest and these kind of aspects. so that's just to pick up your last guess point away. i totally agree. and this is laid down extremely clear in the report for policymakers and the 1st guest as well. yeah. so much more ambitious and pledges are needed to achieve it. so i agree. and then moving on to your 2nd point, which talks about preparedness, some aspects, as you mentioned,
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irreversible on some aspects, like the extremes. we're going to be even at $1.00 degrees or 2 degrees about pre industrial. we're going to see these intense extremes. we're going to have to adopt to some aspects of climate change, recall void some of that. and so if we've is we've seen in germany, for example, as it was quite in the summer years with flooding, there was a slightly patchy geographical range and how prepared local regions were the warnings that because you can make weather for cost are pretty accurate out to $5.00 days these days, much more so than going about 10 years in post because we are able to use an array of observations to start for costs out. we have high resolution simulate computer simulations. so we're able to provide better preparedness in terms of forecasts. and these kind of things, so better preparedness for ongoing trials. sa, strauss start to form wildfire weather which halts. troy conditions,
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but also windy conditions and heavy and sustained rainfall. 40 on already wet catchment movies, things are quite well known, but it needs a lot more done to adopt the climate change and to reduce the impact of phase. and finally, the aspects of the climate system for reversible one of these is sea level rise. now if we're limits. busy moving to 1.5 degrees, say above pre industrial, we can expect over the very long term, so many hundreds of years, maybe up to 2000 years. we can expect 2 to 3 meters, the sea level rise. so you can imagine what allows boots are coastal cities, and that's in a very long sense, that's a very long time scale which we can adapt to. but it will still be a huge issue. an existential, of course, for smaller nations which are called literally move above 3 maces. so all these aspects need need both the,
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the mitigation to stop any further increases. because there are the c, c report states. we can see a sea level rise of up to 22 meters in 2000 years. if free, if woman spirals out for 5 degrees c and d, i may want to have my hero taishan issues, which, which i do want to dig into a little more. michael use of on the advisory committee on the present broccoli bomber, i believe. and then you watch off to that as president. trump took a vastly different approaches you've alluded to already. now how can country is cities deal with trying to put policies in place to adapt to issues like this when different administrations take such different approaches? well, it's profoundly challenging, it's apparently difficult for them to make out of patients, particularly when those incoherence at the federal government. but i think this is a repeat, a challenge that is not only unique to united states,
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but really it applies and plays out in many, many countries. you've got incoherent policy making at the highest levels of government at the federal level, whether that's in u. s. and whether it's across europe, whether it's in india, you name it, this is in class, but you also have a great number of folks at the municipal level really, really pushing hard bring in resources, rethinking policies to mitigate and adapt to this unfolding crisis. and i think you're seeing some of those now, you know, we heard it just the past few days with new york where they said, look, you know, we've got to get new york city and the rest of the state as well. but really better prepared to tackle and handle and deal with these, you know, catastrophic whether that. so i think there's hope at the level, but it's going to be a constant battle when you have, you know, basically leaders that are ultimately not fit for purpose. you know, running countries and so forth. when you say that there is hope for action, i want to turn to chandra. something you mentioned earlier about the,
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the decreasing the very rapidly decreasing cost of renewables. i was looking at the numbers and the price of solar energy dropped 89 percent and just 10 years. i mean that's massive. i wonder then doesn't matter why countries actually take action? could it be driven by bought some lions and a desire for more profit rather than a desire to try to save humanity? it could that mean doesn't matter why it happens as long as that happens. could this all then be a cause for optimism at $100.00? is it called sort optimism? because renewable costs are down batteries stored as cost is going down, be have electric, bacon, which is competing with internal combustion engine. all these are good news, but the bad news is last year the, the world invested more in fossil fuels than in clean energy. so you have vast fossil fuel interest, which is driving right now across the world. and the reasons for it, there are countries were completely dependent on, on oil revenues to survive from nigeria to saudi arabia. and then there are
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countries which are depended on coal and gas. russia, for example, is heavily dependent on plus and fields. so there is a vast fossil fuel interest that exist in the world. now, how do you get rid of that interest and replace it with clean energy interest is going to be the biggest challenge. now on that front, i think it is also important to realize that why you developed countries have resources developing countries don't have that kind of the source. and i think michael talked about new york thinking about investing billions of dollars in an application. unfortunately, min spell, it isn't bhangra, they showed india or audra. countries in africa don't have those kind of money. and one of the big, big thing we will have to do if you want this change to happen is to move money where it matters. currently, the money is moving to all the dirty practices. we have to move it to adapt ation
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to clean energy to bring resilience in the society. i don't know until we are able to move the money. i think that whatever we are talking about is very technical, it is not going to matter. even in the shock, don't live long term. and we're going to have to see what happens at the climate talks that we are expecting in november in glasgow. i do want to give richard the last word here because i'm curious as a scientist and someone who's been very close to the data on all of this. and i'm very involved in writing this later by p c. c. report. how do you personally feel about where we are as, as a species, do you have the confidence in our ability to make choices, to save and protect ourselves? and i'm just going to ask you to respond to that very briefly, please. richard. below the science is clear, so we know what has to be done as also mentioned by your other guests. and we are, i think moving in the right direction, but far too slowly. so as you say, this upcoming meets in cosco costco cult 26 is absolutely crucial for policy
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makers to really run pop around mission in terms of cutting carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. and there is so much on the lion indeed. well, thank you for all of our guest. joining us here today, michael dorsey? planetary emergency partnership member, richard allen, a professor of climate science at the university of reading and contribution on see or of the international forum for environmental environment, sustainability, and technology. thank you gentlemen, for joining us today and thank you to for watching. you can see this program again anytime by visiting our website that's al jazeera dot com. and to the other discussion do go to facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash age 8 inside story. and you remember you can always join the conversation on twitter. handle is add a day inside story. now for me and associates, hey, the whole team here and our house wife and the
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