with history you've had over 58000 people here in the past few weeks. you've transited through copper, and now you have this group. as i said before about a 113 people were told there are canadians ukrainians, that there are us national, that there are british citizens and there are also germans among those that were on this flight a lot of uncertainty for them. many of them you can see it even in their body language. they are relieved to be out of afghanistan. they are happy to be somewhere safe, but they don't quite know what's going to happen next. and therein is the problem for them. this is going to be a transit center for them. they are going to be taken to different parts of the world once they are process here and once they spend at least one night here in unclear exactly when they will be taking me off. but as i said from the folks that we have been able to speak for, they're not, we haven't been able to speak to many just yet. but from the folks that we have been able to speak with, there is a great sense of palpable relief that they were finally able to leave afghanistan.

they were finally able to leave cobble, and that they are somewhat hopeful that things going forward will start getting at least a little bit more certainly for the housing and how much and as you saying the cutters, the involvement in all of this is, is a reflection of the, the kind of outsized role that they have been playing from the beginning on the, the, as far as the, the status of those passages. i know you said you spoke to many of them and have been relieved to get out what you suggested there. they don't intend to be returning their anytime soon, but the we understand the quarterly, special envoy most luck in imagine dani is calling. this flight is considered a regular one and not, not an evacuation that is different from, from what we saw. the air lifts that we saw over the last few you days before that

and they hope for this, these flight slightly is to continue over the next couple of days. and just if we can get into that just briefly because we just only have about a minute or so left. sure, that's right. how's him? and there was a lot of question today as to whether or not this was technically a charter flight or a commercial flight. you had one of the funny when he was at the cobbler airport earlier in the day before the flight took off, say look, the people that boarded this plane did so with boarding passes and with tickets. and this was a commercial flight. but we have been told here at the airport that this is technically a charter flight and that they expect that they're going to be more flights taking people out of cobble in the coming days. now that, that airport in cobble is close to fully operational house and all right, thanks so much how much and we will have lots more on this the story as and when we get it. first international commercial flight landing in doha just moments ago. we'll be back in a moment inside story is next. news,

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hello, welcome to the program hush, my brother, lethargic, facing one of the most serious accusations laid against the french company over its actions in syria. the paris court of appeal had dismissed crimes against humanity, charles against the tenant giant into a 1019 of that ruling have just been overturned by francis stop court. my father was accused of paying millions of dollars to fight as including i fail to keep its factory open. the company eventually last year in 2014 after i still see it's planned north, east of other po. it has admitted some mistakes, but denies the allegations. i guess it, the court of patients decision does not mean the company will automatically face trial. but it's refer the matter back to investigating magistrates to reconsider the complicity charge, saying one can be complicit in crimes against humanity even if there's no

intention of being associated with the crimes committed. it did knowingly paying several $1000000.00 for an organization house. so purpose was exclusively criminal, suffices to consider youth complicity, regardless of whether the posse concerned was acting to pursue a commercial activity. the proceedings against the fonts are the result of a complaint, while by the french violence ministry 11 former employees, and to en jose, the company had the evacuated it's boring stuff when it left the country, but kept some syrian employees kept the mobile number. we asked the company to stop the work, but they didn't stop the company, birth responsibility for all of us who would arrest it, kills or get enough mahoney, 79, if you yes, it worked for the 1000. you went from here to good to his work and i still arrested

him and put him in jail. after 4 months we went to see and asked about us in the opened his file and told us, executed him. the father is not the 1st month the national to be accused of similar accusations. but such cases have rarely been brought to trial. 12 nigerians took energy giants shall to court in the us for its role in vice abuses in the niger delta in the $990.00 s. the supreme court dismissed the case in 2013. thank it, did not have jurisdiction over the matter by screws. also, challenged company is suspected of concealing crimes against humanity in china. change young region. ah, let's bring in, i guess, in paris we have nothing for get if she is the see all just and professor of the university of paris 8 and believe we have canal, the vita, a legal advisor,

the european center for constitutional and human rights. one of the organizations that filed the complaint against the boss in dough hammer, one cumberland head of policy analysis of the center for research and policy studies. welcome to the program. now sarah, how significant is the bullying that came out in paris from the course above the case of arch? i would say that it's a breakthrough. it's quite surprising, especially after the court of appeal decision. there's a place now 2 years ago, and it's a very strong fine and signal towards those that think that business as you, as usual, can go on, especially on the, on one on war, france, in all kinds of places where wars i'll being wages by especially

occidental and western countries, so i would say that is quite striking, especially considering that yesterday was the 1st day of the 9 month long trial of the people responsible for the attacks on november to 2015 in paris. so it has a very strong symbolic and political arrange canal with this has been a long ride for your organization. but do you think that you have reached a point where you could d, you could say, it's just a matter of time. before last, foss faces the the, the main charge was shave complicit in crimes against humanity. as i would definitely say so, so it's the breakthrough. now we have to see, you know, the appeals courts will, has to rule again on whether it was right in asking the constellation of discharge

for crime, for complicity and crimes against humanity. so we will have to see how the new appeals court newly composed will deal with this request from the fashion. we know that it will do so. bearing in mind the new interpretation of completion, she that the supreme court yesterday ruled and which is we can go in detail about that if you want. but once the appeals court will confirm, once again will confirm. sorry, that's the environmental completed team. crimes against humanity has to be maintained based on this new interpretation of complicity. we can hope for a trial not only on discharge of complicity for caps against humanity, but also on the other charges, the financing officers and the prize and benjamin people's lives. model one, it's been almost like 10 years since the father of the uprising in syria and many companies have been operating in areas widely accused of colluding with on

groups including i feel this ruling does it, but more emphasis now than ever on every international multi national company that was operating in syria. absolutely right. i think it should delight it, shed some light to actually this elicit business between international companies and some violent groups and syria. but this particular case is unique in the sense that is dealing with, with a company that, that has very strong ties to the french government. if you, if you, if you want to put this in into context, maybe we need to speak to bit about how important this project was actually for what products. and to see the energy at the time when it was fierce, actually in 2008, a shop. the largest cement factory was the largest single forum

investment project in city ever. it cost love us more than $680000000.00 at the time actually to build one of the largest and most modern summit factory. natalie ensued. but in the middle east, the production of the fact that he was like 7 or $8000.00 tons of cement and d, as words of half a $1000000.00 was a huge investment actually by, by the french. and it was a joint venture between the french and businessmen who were very close to the city of egypt at the time. and because of this he was, and this meant the company actually did that. what actually to be that the factory or leave it actually to be rooted or be ok this massive by militant so they were actually key in to protected and to key,

but an operation they don't want to lose or doesn't the money that can visit at that time in cedar, so that was, this was what did this, this is why it's so unique. ok, in the case of all of us know, the legal team of law. fudge is quite obvious. they were trying to scrap the crime against humanity. charge against the by then the routing came out to the tours, another direction which is basically we'll, we'll have to magistrate, we'll have to re investigate the whole case. it could be a breakthrough, as you said earlier, but at the same time you could just open the window for us to bring about a stronger team in the near future and say, you know what, we're not to be held accountable tools. there's absolutely no strong evidence. we've been doing something dodgy and syria. yes, but i think they will have then to argue word by word sentence by sentence about what to the court of cas station just stated. and that makes the case very

difficult for them. of course, they can bring to the trial, very efficient and very savvy groups of lawyers, but they will have to face that at a moment where being the country and the home of defense, which is what france claims to be. i mean, the country of human rights is something that is more and more put into question and lafarge is giving this very strong expression, an example of how human rights were just put aside. and the, this company, this international company that is, has glo size to the french state as a, was just said, just look the other way when it came to defending human rights. so the case is going to be very difficult for them to make whatever their brings in terms of the

lawyers and money and influence also, and lobbying probably can out a fuzzies, a financial goliath in europe. they have a huge resources. they have the backing of a government, but then was one of the key members of the tribe was when they said, you know, once we have the local stuff operating in syria and it is the one which should be held responsible for any mistakes as far as we are concerned the top ashlyn of the company based in paris. there's absolutely nothing wrong that we did and how do you see that particular angle? so this argument they made in the judicial inquiry is a very typical recurring argument. multinational make try exonerates from their responsibility. they hide behind their complex structures and they hide behind the fact that they operate through subsidiaries that are abroad. and they pretend that they don't know what is happening in the subsidiaries,

that they don't have the powers, the competence or the means to stop the actions of the subsidiaries abroad. windows actions may lead to the commission of crimes alter the fueling of credit crimes. and this argument, i must say, we have reviewed quite quite easily because the evidence in the file is extremely clear when it comes to payments. i have been made to several arm groups including ices. it is clear that the, the members of parents of the parent company in paris headquarter the parents were not only aware of those payments, but with sometimes instructing them to get that was the subsidiary. so there this argument that really doesn't hold any more and legally, just hoss translators in the decision of appeals courts, which hasn't been put into question by this. sorry, addition. yeah. haven't been put into question by the supreme court, which is that the parents company is indicted for the financing of centuries and

the price. although the payments had originated from the accounts offered subsidiary abroad, and the court indicted the parent company because he took into account the evidence and the fine showing that they were informed. but he also mentioned, and this is a very strong element of this case. also, the court mentioned that because the foster parent company has such a strong financial and operational control over its subsidiary. it wouldn't make sense legally to say that it cannot be held responsible for payments, criminal payments, pay my district, my $1.00 that is an international coalition against ice. it has its own counter isis finance group. and it has been pretty much trying to work out ways to, to disrupt the financial flows going towards these gross. do you think this case in particular, could be conducive to a broader investigation where we might see multinational companies being held accountable for shot businesses with groups like i said,

and other groups that were operating in areas in syria, particularly the north eastern northern part of the country and the south is some part of syria. absolutely, i think this time may be because usually they can stay in particular because you're actually not in sham americans while leading this war in order to undermine the network. the financial network calls of tourism all over the world. did they usually focus on, on companies? and i mean, did they keep, come, come and go actually to the conclusion to disrupt and speak with the government plan to remind these these networks. but sometimes you'll be surprised to see that some of the big wister companies like, for example, was very much into the business of financing. and, and also if you want, if you want to look into another aspect of this, this issue,

this issue. you can also see the link between the french government and bosh, and white b g. because i mean that the french should have been, you had been lying very much and also the going very much the way. it was also considered by other countries in the region such as a 3rd organization they were relying on didn't know that to protect the law, boston city. so i think we have to look pretty carefully into ok and to all sort of business activities of these companies. not only in terms of financial, but also in terms of the legs that are having with other non state actors in the region like the white, the ship or not feel that you spoke about the, the crucial timing of the ruining. because it coincides with the same time with the trial, the main suspect of the rampage that killed 130 people in, in france, in 2000. and 15. could this be

a moment where the judges the course with say, you know what? it's about time to tackle this because this is a serious issue that could also ultimately have serious ramifications all of ours itself. yes, i think that what it brings to the picture is the complexity of what was happening back then. at the beginning of the uprising and syria, the way it was repressed, of course, by the syrian states, the way ices eventually became and prevailed in syria. but this means that they had, as ramification all across the region, all the way through the mediterranean 2 pairs. and this is also important to, to stress the fact that we cannot think in terms of war and terror, this era that we entered in 2001 and that we are still living in without

including old parts. that took advantage of these wars that raise their own prosperity on these wars. and this is something that might change the backdrop of the trial that is happening right now in pairs and bring into the picture. things that usually are capped aside or that are overlooked. for that, a lot of states would just want to turn a blind eye on, and this has to be part of the picture. now, the complexity and all the interests that to part into what led to the rampaging nurse. but more widely to all these wars and there are casualties, cannot navigating through the judicial system all over the world is a very complex task as you know. but do you see an opening here where active is school? say, you know what? it's about time to focus on companies operating in areas where there are human

rights violation and abuse, as we've seen a case now being brought to gas companies operating in chines young work. and they're saying basically, how can you operate in a place where the, where the community is been prosecuted by the chinese government. yes, i think really this case has the potential to encourage foster in or ongoing cases on corporate accountability against multinational, but also maybe encourage other people to take initiative like that you were talking about. the org was case there's also a case pending before the international criminal court related to the responsibility of arms traders from different european countries who persist in exporting weapons to sonya ravia and the united arab emirates. although those 2 countries are needing the coalition that appears to have committed systematic attacks on civilians in yemen. so i think now the ruling that the supreme court

gave yesterday is really going to inform the way those cases down by the different courts concerned by one. these are companies middleman people working in the and under ground. some of the, not for the gated with huge organizations with governments, we've seen in the past many evidences directing to work very high profile people who were dealing with the syrian government, with ice when it comes to shipments of oil. but ultimately, you don't get a sense that the international community is more willing to move forward and bring all these people accountable. what's the general sentiment among the syrian people? when you look at this particular case says that go somehow i'm punished by the international community while i so i think a fistful, i mean, we need maybe to look at doc, disagree. the picture of the economy that has been actually matching and see over

the past 10 years in which as you said, we have so many warlords. we have so many, many men in fact profiting on the expense of those people actually were the heaviest by during the war. and i think we to think of how, how a destructive stage we need to we need to, to focus on, on transition of justice. and for those people who work with deadlines actually has been destroyed by this, by this war. and by these also business activities, by, by the warlords, by the middle men, and by the companies. why the name of the sand about how to make this this war. but at this point of the crisis, most people right now auckland, stand about keeping the peace and try to leash comprehensive cease fire

to the conflict and syria. because as you know, over the past few weeks, there has been a renew of tradition and the in the south and bottle studio mainly. and we see almost daily bombardment of, of civilian neighborhoods and it live in that. and then so i know most people are focusing on how actually to stop this conflict or start dealing with the other aspects of including transitional justice. and i think people actually get a lot know you have the ethics and you have the greedy companies looking for profit and both collide, most of the time. but do you think that this could be the moment where the momentum should be building 2 words? rewriting the laws internationally to put an end to the practice of these companies

taking advantage of cover from their own governments to take money from people in countries who face distraction and death. yes, absolutely, but i think that we have them the tools and the means to do that. it's just that so far, this kind of international companies such as the fog and others, just feel that the national and international laws were not made for them, that they could just get away with it and just find ways to bypass any kind of control. and so the decision of the court of guess, su, is, is the most meaningful in that respect, because it means that they cannot, they're all just as any other entity. and they can fall under the rule and the strength of these, of these laws. and of these different bodies of,

of jurisdiction. and this is something quite striking and might be, might open new paths for those entities and international companies that rely on the laws of capitalism. so that they become accountable for to, for the crimes that they take part in. can you know that as a legal advisor, that ultimately you have to deal with companies affiliated with government. they have loads of cash, and they have a cover and they have the backing of strong governments all over the world. you feel like that we have reached the point where n g o will be more equipped. we'll have more back in particular from the people all over the well to put an end to the practice of grid, accompanies working in wars zones. so we are gathering experiences where gathering expertise on what are the obstacles that are faced in those judicial proceedings.

and we surely, i think get better in anticipating those, those obstacles. but when it comes to governments and to the fact that the governments are also linked, sometimes to those business activities. i think we're seeing this trend. trend in the business and human rights movement more and more. and those cases of corporate accountability usually do not only involve a company, but also sometimes have the support of states. for instance, i was talking about those arms exports cases earlier. their arms exports or arms. traders are given export licenses by golden mens. we also know in cases relates to to, to climate change or to pollution. that's industrial exploitation projects of land . also initiate from licenses to to a bank if you're going to land or to. so this is definitely a trend, minute 24 can love return the good of and model one problem. and i really appreciate your insight and looking forward to talking to you in the near future

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