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too many new america have in many ways driven the arms rate parties are much more like the british parties down to the there are fewer regulations to own a tiger than their our own a dog. how can this be happening? your weekly take on us politics and society, and that's the bottom line. ah, i found the okay in this $911.00 legacy episode of the stream is an opportunity for you to comment. i don't analyze the impact of 911 globally. if you, on twitter, at a very stream is actually a handle, if you're on youtube, what the comments section is right here for you can comment live and hopefully your comments, your questions. i'll be out to get them into as much of the show as possible. and you can be part of today's discussion. our war on terror

begins without caught but it does not in there. it will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped, and defeated. americans should not expect one battle. but a lengthy campaign. unlike any other we have ever seen. it may include dramatic strikes, visible on tv, and covert operations, secret even in success. every nation in every region now has a decision to make. either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. let's meet the guests who are going to be analyzing what happens since that conversation from george w bush, 20 years ago. hello. kimberly. hello ma. hello most in the good to have you on

today's legacy show. talking about 911. my how will you introduce yourself to our audience? tell them who you are, what you do? absolutely. thank you so much for having me on the show. my name is dr. my hillen and i am co director of justice from a collected also forthcoming author of sorry for coming after of the for the innocent until one is low. so via the warranty or, and the most. so my experience since 911, it's wifi thing van off that congratulations looking forward to your book mostly and welcome to the stream. introduce yourself. try international audience. thank you. my name is for the most and our i a member of the national assembly of i get done and i represent and all that is done. and i'm central chairman of the national democratic moon. and i also, i'm the pony member of the student to have with the moment kimmy. how can

washington dc cost wonderful out here english. ok. 20 years ago. where were you? this is one of those. my was what people say, why will you do you remember? of course the officers got to be for many of us. yes. yeah, i remember it vividly. i was 9 months pregnant. i live on capitol hill and i had just moved to the united states and people were running outside my window and i couldn't quite figure out why nor could i join them because i was so pregnant. and so for me, the fact that that baby i was pregnant with is now 20 years old, are turning 20 years old, really crystallizes for me. the impact of this is one generation and i remember the terror feeling where have i moved to what is going on? it was like nothing i'd ever experienced. i'm. i'm just thinking about what president bush said 20 years ago. ma ha. and even at the time,

for the extent of what the us was declaring war on, seemed so huge, it was out. how could i even be possible now? 20 years later? we have so much. why is my thoughts the warranty era? absolutely. so i'm glad you actually started with that clip because i think if we start thinking why we are where we are today, the bush speech is a perfect reason for that. and he essentially talked about this quote, war on terror as one that would be endless. boundless would include all sorts of tactics, right? it would allow the united states to treat the whole world as a battlefield, as the a one m, f, that he signed did. and so i think it's a, it was a really critical speech, right? because it laid out basically the blueprints of this war on terror. right. and the

blueprint was actually that we're going to do whatever we want to do in service of theoretically accommodating the terrorist threat. which as we know is impossible to do. and especially because the united states refuses to examine and reflect on its own role in causing global conflicts and massive violence all around the world. kimberly, you're nodding mostly, i'm going to bring you in just a moment. kimberly just articulate the note. well, i think there were so many aspects to that that i agree with. it's the fact that it's not over is certainly very true. and i think even i sort of the word terrorist that under the u. s. definition can be just about anything. and i think the thing that came to mind and all of that is prior to the september 11th attacks, i didn't know what the word hubris meant. i suddenly understood it, and i saw the impact of that by the united states. is war on terror. that goes into

sovereign nations to get the so called terrorists, which could be any one that opposes the united states. it really was not only violating human rights, but also international law in many cases. and so americans with particular leaders, we're looking at and saying, why do people hate americans? why are we experiencing these attacks? not recognizing that when you go into these nations uninvited and invade or try to nation build when nobody asked for that, that, in fact, you're going to have these blowback effects. i'm just looking here, my laptop most in. this is been an article that we treated out about as warm terribly in a total failure. i'm just going to scroll down here to this comment about our conversation today. and it says yes, because the us and those who participate in the invasion of afghanistan, iraq, syria, are the real terrorists. if you start listing some of the things that the u. s.

military has done over the 20 years and you don't put a title on who's military or who soldiers actually did that action. it might be quite difficult to know if they were good guys and they were bad guys in a was difficult anyway, most in thoughts. her thank you so much. i think the clip of president bush, which you played in the start of the program, and this clip very much concludes the whole bed of water on saturday. like he said that either you are you are with us or you are various know after 20 years, a for everybody knows that who stood there trying to started the end like it the v at the end of there with gold the was on terror and the jihad they merged with the other and the way it was said in the very

thought that we will not stop until the war with not, or until each and every group is stopped. but you know what, what we have seen at the end is that the people against whom about the fall most when 10000000 in 5000000, and many other mon weren't alone banded up in the cabinet, off of the one, the sun, and the u. s. and the rest of the world, they demand it 20 years ago, a more attain citizen called a mom word. salah, he was scoop top and he was taken for more tenea to various different countries and he ended up in guantanamo bay. he was detained for 15 years and then released with no charge. i know you will know his story. he spoke to us a few hours ago,

and this is his contribution to our analysis of what happened was the legacy of $911.00 here is of to the project given. so 911, i was kidnapped from my home country and ended to shorter than of goodness done. and then in work done all that i spent, you know, 15 years i most my mother and i lost my brother. why? while in prison, i was subjected to mission and techniques of torture. i was sexually assaulted, i was beaten badly. i spent the rest of my time in the counter we didn't t means that that a face that people and that i have a chance for public hearing. well,

can i as it is my grievance and but whether i had had this doesn't i for everyone. hey, such a remarkable night, ma, how is placed for forgiveness? is there a need for forgiveness in a war situation? or you know, i feel a little hesitant to answer that because i think forgiveness is a question for those who are suffering directly from the went to state violence. and you know, i speak to somebody with frequently, he's a friend of mine and i, i have heard 1st hand how much pain and suffering he has endured. not just at guantanamo, but after he was released from guantanamo. and i think accountability is really important. and one thing that they're mentioning is that when prisoners at one time

all are released, right, they're transferred, right? they're cleared for release. they're not vindicated. us government doesn't. they were sorry, we did change you without charge and tortured you. there's none of that. and essentially, a lot of them are either sent to a 3rd party country or their own, their home country, where the last basically abandoned them. and they are left to fend for themselves. after all that time in detention and torture, experiencing the worst violence war crimes by the hands of the u. s. government. they are just left. they're just thrown away. and we have to bear in mind, right? there is a global climate of a slumber. phobia will be a dozen and in the united states, obviously, right? not only the part of part and parcel of the lessons warranty for it has been adapted and other countries warrant here to fight this threat of terrorism. and one

thing i just want to add to this is, you know, i had written an op ed actually in new jersey era about the question of moral equivalent. and it was based on in hand, on mars comment a few months ago about getting justice and you know, for the victim also for, you know, the crimes of the us around have committed israel, ghana, stan and, and she said, you know, the title of on and what's really important about that is because of the way terrorism is construct good as inherently more evil, inherently more violent. and somehow less moral than state violence. of course, state violence as it's used by states, right? it's supposed to be morally superior. and 2006 or something along the lines of, you know, i basically, i can entertain that where anything like terrorists,

because they kill women and children. how many women, women, and children has the united states kills. and so the problem is when the united states considers its violence more moral and just moral in general, it allows it to justify and legitimize massive state, violet. ok mama, i'm going to share the conversation with you with your, your cope. harness. kimberly, go ahead. well i, i fully agree, i mean, and this was to the point i was making earlier. is that what we've seen the war on terror due by the united states going in with, you know, with murdering with impunity? it's, we've seen the rise of other types of extremist groups. for example, in iraq, we saw the rise of islamic state, and the united states continues even as joe biden has just said that afghan stan has wrapped up. it hasn't wrapped up because what still going are the draw strikes that have been killing that not just the so called terrorist which by the way,

you know, never how to trial. we're never properly charged for never afforded the, the rights that the us constitution affords to american citizens just just killed with impunity, almost like an extra judicial killing. you know, this is the kind of thing that the united states and anthony blink and said, look at our foreign policy moving forward. is going to be with a foundation of human rights yet we're seeing this continuation visa be the war on terror. where that is not the case and this killing with impunity. continue. listen, we have some thoughts and comments on youtube. i'm going to put one of them to you . thank you for watching on youtube. this is for thought as the real question is the response to the 911 attacks. what were the consequences of ramifications of inventing afghanistan and iraq in iran and iraq, excuse me, mostly from your perspective, how would you want to thought well, i think the vapor,

as i said in the start on the way this water started, i think the situation in which it started, and in the situation in which it ended, i think the weight and it is more was then the situation. and it was in which it was started because you know, there is no doubt that taliban were running on the sun in the, in before $911.00. and there was also nothing elected gordon, me and i, they came by force that they took over, you know, they were imposing, why live in the same kind of human rights violations on the people, if i'm on the phone. but there was still a hope amongst the people from the sun that there might come some point and somebody might come for what help and who can take us out of the situation. but after 20th the way it was handed or again to taliban. i think

in it and in the geared the actual meaning of form a water data and it has, you know, the ve, the ones are abundant, the v. they were thrown to the wall. and i think the situation this time is more frustrating. and worse than the, than the one which was in the start because at this time, the ones they have seen that the entire allow that the u. s. and they're all daddy lies. you know, they have a bundle in a 100 or 2 a 12 to thought of on. and. busy that the most alarming thing that did my at this time is the bid. did you not have any hope left for the future? because who else going to come to rescue them to know to the i just want to jump in . you said the way it ended, it didn't end. i mean the c i a is still operating in there. and joe biden said

that this, this hunt for terrorists will still be in, not only that region, but in other regions around the world. so i think that's the biggest concern is that there is no end to this. and the united states has said that they will strike at the tire of places they're choosing in retaliation to the murders of the marines that were at the cobble airport. we've seen one strike already, but is there going to be another one in afghanistan? we simply don't know. so that's the problem is that this language continues to be exactly what it isn't. it's miss representing and trying to normalize or even sort of pacify the public. and i think it's really important to note too, we haven't talked to medically about the impact of the warrant error. but americans for a long time have not had an appetite for this conflict that continues. they have spent trillions of dollars and there's this feeling that they know not only are they

being hated for it, but that they can't afford it when american tax dollars, it's really easy to say. but all of those names have faces. these are single mothers that are working multiple jobs. these are police officers that are underpaid. and as a result that's having blow back in the united states with poorly trained and selected officers. the impacts and the ripple effects go on and on and on. kimberly, if i may, we, we've gotten is raney who's on neutral and she kind of was ahead of you in that sort. listen, i was 11 when the attacks happen since then. i've lost more, more faith in the government, just constant war and surveillance. i want to take us in another direction, obviously still talking about the legacy of $911.00. the cost of war, stephanie saddle, has actually researched it. this is what she told us a little bit earlier inside and others are claiming that the forever war is over. now that us to have withdrawn from afghanistan, but it's not. i put together

a map that shows that there are 85 countries in which the us engaged encounter care operations between 20182020. oftentimes far from the innocuous help, it sounds it. arms authoritarian regimes to crack down on political opponents, newly renamed as terrorists. we as americans need to question whether this vast expanse of military activity is protecting americans and others around the world. and, or if it's not, what should we be doing instead? i have to show you this on my laptop because i was stunned. 2020 us defense spending compared to other countries. here's the us. here are australia, italy, south korea, japan, france, germany, saudi arabia, united kingdom, russia, india, china. that is an immense amount of money. it's money that means

that the seniors are going without the drugs that they might need to treat diabetes . children are not getting cared for. the education in the united states is sorely lacking in many states, all of that money that people believe when they work hard and they give their tax dollars over is then being taken by the government. i think it's really important to also note in all of this that one of the reasons this is not going to end is because the united states has long history with the military industrial complex of making money. this is an industry the united states, states needs wars to fight. and if it doesn't have wars, then the people that are working for these enormous security contracting companies are not making the millions and billions that they count on and they over to their shareholders. and so they need a new conflict, and that's why this war on terror might leave afghanistan, although we still know there are people operating there, but it's going other places. it is so rare, i guess when we're doing a show where we are asking you to analyze an issue,

a situation for everybody to pretty much come the end of it and just say, well, that was a disaster. it's very rare to have that that, that agreement. i want to bring in another voice. this is mr. far. i'm was just thought if he, if he was looking for silver lining, i think he may kind of have a just a little bit. i don't know. listen, the legacy of the global war on terror has complicated and ultimately made for a much more decentralized extremist landscape. we are no longer living in the same world that we were living in 20 years ago. and it goes without saying that the mistakes and missteps have only added ammunition to the extreme as toolbox that exists and has always existed. we must return to resurrecting and defending the human rights principles that we have always stood by. if we allow securitized approaches to moon paramount over basic human rights,

we fundamentally lost global war on terror. so i took away a positive idea about, okay, this is where the us goes forward, but most him from you. what next? what do we do now as, as a world hopefully learning the lessons of the reality of war and tara, just very briefly cuz i'm going to go to each of you. you got a minute. well, i think there is hardly anything which we can do. the only thing we can do is to condemn and raise the wife the baby have been doing it too long. and i agree with one of my colleagues when, when she said that it hasn't already yet. and i, you know, i believe that my extend state has been handed or to some terrorist groups and know it to when effect the entire region. i think this is something which the us

one and before, and i do article of water against the as was with you. and then this time i think they want instead of containing an ideology, they want to contain and economic ex, extension of the regional power. and for that very purpose, once again, i'm going to, i'm going to share the close of the show with, with your fellow co perez, we hear you. i have the point you're making very clearly my heart briefly. well i have to say i'm, i'm not sure what pointed history was the united states of holding human rights principles. i mean, from the infection of this country was founded on as we all know, genocide, placement of african peoples. so this country has never actually adhered to human rights, principal has never espouse them, has never actually implemented in the country. so i think we need to very

critically push back against the narrative. and i think the last thing was, you know, there's a lot of talks and discussions and panels right now about the lesson of the warranty in the course of climate. and i want to know what the lesson is, the u. s. government actually learning, right. what is the law? that is a key for kimberly, how can i ever heard what i think that we haven't really touched on the impacts domestically and very quickly, the sprawling surveillance state and the fact that we have 2 people that were courageous enough to expose the sort of the, the worst aspects of the war on terror. edward snowden, who exposed the spying of domestic spine that took place in the takes place in the united states. and also julian assigned who exposed the abu ghraib and other abuses, and they are still being persecuted by the u. s. government as a result of that. kimberly ma ha, and most, and, and everybody watching and falling on youtube and try to thank you very much. being

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