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a short while ago. and it's 16 pages, it doesn't provide any real revolutionary material. and also it is very heavily redacted. so very difficult to understand exactly what it is saying. and commemorations have taken place to remember those who lost their lives in those attacks. nearly 3000 people were killed on september 11th, 2001 in one of the worst for sol, san us soil. the head of the international atomic energy agency is in toronto, crucial tang sweetie. radiant officials, raphael go see meeting, yvonne, vice president and the head of a countries atomic organization to push for access to nuclear monitoring equipment . it's gross, he's 1st visit since abraham racy became iranian president, talks com as well. power is trying to salvage she 2015 nuclear deal with iran. hate is prime minister has been asked to come in for questioning about the assassination

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much more like the british parties. now, there are fewer regulations to own a tiger than their our own a dog. how can this be happening? your weekly take on us politics and society, and that's the bottom line. they've got a 1000 faces, an economic meltdown. the u. n. was that nearly every african? well the in poverty by next year, but aid has dried up and the taliban and a lot from accessing the country, foreign asset. so what will the international communities do now? this isn't ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm m, ron con. much of the world is facing a stark choice without going on except the countries new tolerable leaders, or continue shutting them out. the groups in bar from accessing the african central banks for an assets was $10000000000.00,

and humanitarian aid has stopped flowing in. now the lens warning of an economic meltdown. 97 percent of the population could be living in poverty within a year. 60 general antonio terrace is calling from urgent injection of passion too . i've kind of done that means talking and dealing with the telephone. the, when the is a key role to play in humanitarian needs to a people that is now in a desperate situation. desperate situation. and so we decided that it was our duty to engage its oliver to create the conditions for the possibility of effective many 30 and a, the impartial to reach all areas. and to take into account our concerns in relation to women and girls. for instance, already the refugee agency says it will engage the group to ensure displaced afghans receive help, many have crossed into neighboring pockets on which has been urging the u. s. to

unfreeze of understanding assets. it's foreign minister says international governments can't keep isolating the telephone. but at the same time, there is recognition of a new reality. at the same time, there is awareness that engagement is required, a dialogue for a better understanding can be useful. so i see in an interest up a desire to engage, but not a rush to recognize. ah, let's introduce our panel in cobble. but i love to hear the lecture of transitional justice at the american university of august on in pittsburgh, jennifer brick motor rush, really an associate professor at the graduate school of public and international affairs at the university of pittsburgh. and in dublin, michael sample professor,

the michel institute for global peace and security and justice at queens university, but fast a warm welcome to you all. let's begin in cobble 1st. now we often talk about the international community. now it might be international, but it's not much of a community, it's mishmash of competing interests and of nation states own interest. now, i'm going to look at some point you're going to have to deal with the taliban. that's going to be the reality. but until that happens, there's only really a couple of countries that are dealing with the taliban. that seems to be china and pockets on. is that the reality? do you think? i think with the recent times we've seen many other carriers emerge as well, especially central to them as part of if you see a pop up with regards to the airport functioning as well as the even within cobble . they have their offices set up in serena, they have been quite central to the communication between the international

community and the part one. and that's good. there can be more mediators as well. we do understand the international community is in a difficult situation. where for it to recognize the thought upon or engage with it too much means white washing or ignoring a lot of the violations of human rights and international law that are being committed. the taliban excused themselves by saying that these are the early stages off their state and things can get better now. but in such time or time that we don't have with the looming economic crisis and recession coming in. these mediators can lay a positive role in helping the target bod set up a model for their economy, as well as healthy international community. have some sort of in direct engagement because the 1st line of fire is going to be the common upon people. if the economic recession happens, if any sanctions are impose, there are the people that will suffer in pittsburgh. jennifer, this is

a situation where agencies have actually been dealing with the taliban on the ground now for a number of years. and the areas they control before they took over the whole country. there is some institutional experience in when it comes to dealing with the taliban. has that been a successful positive experience? well, it depends on who you ask. i think for the political outcomes, it probably contributed to the collapse of the state because it's a the tell about a kind of legitimacy in the areas that if controlled taliban was very, a very able to effectively channel that a to show that they could provide some kind of governance and they were issued some of the national level programs that work somewhat unpopular with the afghan people and able to promote the kind of basic service delivery that people demanded. and they were able to also blend that with their, their form of dispute resolution,

which at the time was much more effective and efficient than what was offered by the state. now that they are the government, this i think is a big question for all of us to look at is whether they can translate some of the things that they did at the grassroots level and their ability to channel aid and donors in international level success. so on the one hand, it was very effective for the taliban to be able to use and utilize international n g o z who were working in afghanistan. let's remember that prior to the fall of the government does this past month, the government only controlled 30 percent of the countries territory. uncontested. right? so this means that the taliban and n jose and agencies have been working a side by side for better or worse for a very long time. i want to bring in michael. hey michael in dublin. we keep hearing. we don't see much evidence of it so far, but we do keep hearing that this is a very different taliban to the government in 1996 that they've learned lessons

that they are willing to engage to hold and talk with argument. absolutely not. i think that they taliban house done a very good job on a building up their, their media operation. they over the past almost a decade to now they operate into a political mission. and oh, how, which they used to put across the survey a rosy version of their reality, but it never really reflected what was going on the ground. i think that's, that's the case. now. i think that i think that the taliban leadership were going to find this a real challenge because it was, i was okay to have this gap while they were in the insurgency. and they weren't responsible for the fate to the people. but. but now that they're in charge, if they don't find some way of becoming a bit more compromising, they will pay the price and 1st of all, their people will pay their price. i'll give you a classic example of this in the public,

the public from the time of on leadership are talking about how they have a i'm going to stay a general amnesty for people who served with the previous government. they're saying that they want they, when they, when the united nations engaged with them, they told the united nations that they wanted african civil servants who had left the country in the evacuation to return. but then i'll be authorities to get their feet on the desk. one of the 1st thing they do is freeze the bank accounts of all civil servants, their new minister of defense passes. i would say an instruction saying that no single member of the former out armed forces should be allowed to join the tower bonds, new forces. some of this of the informal comment is amongst the taliban as being the oh, maybe we can have some of the, some of the old officers with us briefly to teach her some things and then they will, we will kick them out to the door. and we've had,

we are how search is conducted against people who worked with the previous government trying to seize property, which they supposedly had with them. i generally intimidate them. so the completely contradictory messaging going going out. and obviously they, there will be consequences from trying to freeze out something like a 1000000 people who worked with the previous government than either civilian or military departments in couple of our de la. do you agree with that assessment? there is an interesting quotation that kept running through my mind. it says, do you know what the definition of madness is? it is to try the same thing and expect different results. and in this case, i mean, it's the old guard running, the kept it. how do you expect things to be different? the problem isn't just one off an attitude problem or a behavioral issue. the issue at the core of it is incompetence is the lack

of basic and skilled basic administration scope. and here's the problem. the problem is that the thought upon, unlike other political parties in a lot of different countries in the world, and even upon a fun, didn't really function ever in an office like set up in a very formal set up or a political party. where within your party, you have your own offices, you will have your own documentation. it has always been insurgency, even back in the 199596. they never formally sat in an accepted what the more for governance was going to be in the world and tried to adapt to it. all of those are problematic thing, so it's not just about what the taliban decide to do. it's about. 1 whether they have the capacity to implemented the again, if you're going to go with the last ration process, lockout people who worked for the previous regime or the armed forces, you are leaving

a 100000 trained people with weapons in their houses who are dissatisfied with the system tell me if that doesn't mean at some point, you will have an armed resistance standing up to you. if you're going to lock out everyone who's worked for the previous government, let's pilot a, do you republication something like that? the not 50 cation or the deep authentication, and those are some of the major reasons why the general populace ends up being dissatisfied, and leads to an event outburst from their part. so the tunnel upon really need to realize what they're up against and this isn't the hills and the battle front anymore. this is real life. the lives of 40000000 people depend on the thought, the bond to get their act together. else they will go to the i'm just gonna get reaction that from jennifer in pittsburgh. jennifer a little bit early. you said one of the reasons that the taliban were able to keep control in the areas isn't the agencies gave them the money and therefore they were

able to have a sheen of legitimacy that allowed them to government were about to make that money 1015 times larger and give it to a government, does that insulate them from the criticisms that we've been hearing from dublin in couple? well, not necessarily because it's not just about the money and the resources. it's also about the delivery. and i think this is where this is what we're buy, dual as point is, spot on, the taliban has to administer and deliver this and who's going to be doing that? if all of these other organizations are frozen out, if the government so many government officials are frozen out who's going to be doing this work, the international community is engaging in the way that it once was. then who's going to be administering and delivering this on for the taliban? and i think this is a very important question that we should be asking. but i also do think, you know, while i'm very negative about these kinds of outcomes, i think that this is really an opportunity for both the taliban in the

international community to really put their heads together. if there's a real interest in this and making the government much more effective and efficient and where one thing, while the depart with others is that i don't think we need people necessarily sitting in government offices and you know, with suits and ties to, to be able to do this very well. some governance issues are so simple that over the past 20 years they became so complicated. so bureaucratized, the afghan government itself was really quite messy, didn't do a lot of the direct implementation itself and where it did do direct implementation . it was caught up in webs of corruption. so there's a real opportunity to fix a lot of the issues in the maladies that gunnison has suffered from. that drove the insurgency over the past 20 years, but i would absolutely agree to buy to law. and michael here that the taliban don't seem to be learning the lessons of government, not just of the past 20 years or 40 years,

but really of hundreds of years of african history. is that one when one group rules over the entire country, sort of ruthlessly your were in for a recipe for disaster and continued insurgency. michael, one of the tools, the international community, and i use the term very loosely. international community is sanctions. now we've seen sanctions in the past in iraq, in iran, in iraq. i seem to actually strengthen saddam hussein, but affect the rest of the population and drive them into poverty sanctions aren't really a useful tool. hey, what is a useful tool to put pressure on the taliban government? is it functions or is it something different? or as it happens i here i was part of this of the sanctions regime while the taliban wearing power for i was working on the humanitarian side trying to to monitor the impact on the population and find ways of mitigating it. so we do

actually have some, we do actually have some history of that, of all trying to mitigate that before we talk about actively using the, the tool of sanctions. the 1st thing which i'm sure that the international actors will try to use or to broker a new relationship with the taliban is of course assistance. and they will start talking about humanitarian assistance. they will hold out the prospect of restoration of larger amounts of development assistance and i think they will probably, they will go into a you can expect discussions starting on this really in, in the coming days. there will be a hope from the 1st of all from the united nations that we heard about at the start, but also from countries which i have in your contributing bilateral assistance. there will be a hope that they can come up with a new and agreed way of dealing with the taliban. but i think that these are going to be extremely difficult discussions because the basic attitude amongst this is the, you know, the old guard of the movement who are now in charge in cobble is that, you know,

we've defeated a super power. we've defeated the world, we show that we were, that we were right. we no longer have to make concessions to any body. and we will set the terms for and the thing that happens here at the point when the internationals are likely to go into such negotiations, thinking that you know, they don't have any money. they need us. that will be a catastrophe. if, if we don't actually restore this assistance, we have certain red lines that we need to to show to our donors in terms of, for example, women's access to services. and i think they are going to, the taliban are no moves to compromise. and the on the donors are going to have to decide, okay, are we always going to sign a blank check on humanitarian assistance? or are we going to insist on certain principles? so definitely the tool that to see of the tool or that they, that i mean the, the main issue for discussion of the start of international engagement cobble will

indeed be assistance. i will 1st of all be humanitarian assistance, but it will not be easy to get agreement on the continuation of the flows of humanitarian assistance. or we know that from the experience of last time around it, i got i was part of the, the you ends discussions with the taliban to try to go see a protocols. and the last time around it was difficult. jennifer, you've written extensively on the politics of age and what that means would between different countries and the social community here, it seems to me that what michael is suggesting is that yes, there will be a negotiation going on. but you've got 2 parties that have very different negotiating positions, adding to that there is a massive amounts of donor fatigue when it comes to giving money to the tolerable. there are a number of countries i've already said, look, we just know, let's not do this. let's don't go down that puff what's, what's next could, can these negotiations, the, this, these discussions that monetary and aid succeed under that climate?

absolutely, and they already have, i mean, we could look at, by de la mentioned proctor's role. they are already providing aid and assistance. a c 130 came in from pakistan. today i saw kuhn our province delivering a china has already promised $31000000.00 in assistance, including corona, virus, vaccines. so 8 is already beginning to flow back into the country. now is it the same levels that it was under the united states? right? the united states provided 7580 percent of the country's budget. that's going to be a huge deficit for the taliban to begin to try to fill. i don't think any of these countries in the region will be be able to fill that gap. but on the other hand, i think we're going to see as these regional players play a much more important role. as we see the united states with great power politics sort of recede in the region, politics in atlanta, some would become much more regionalized,

probably more fractional eyes and we'll begin to see regional players fill in that gap. now it won't be the same way. i think the united nations is going to have a hard time, but i think it's, michael suggested they don't have a lot of leverage and all of this right now, they think they do with the money and the resources that they have. but the publics in these countries, especially the united states, for example, understood that the us left in such a disastrous way. if we look at president biden's public opinion polls here in the united states, he's taken a dramatic hit for the way that he withdrew, even though there was tremendous public support withdraw. there was not support for the way he did that. so if we see pictures, a famine that will inevitably occur given the current dynamics in afghanistan, i think it will be very hard for the american public to resist. you know, talking about sanctions in such an environment seems horribly cruel when people are going to be suffering so much. so i would agree completely with michael. and i

don't think the international community or the united states actually has that much leverage on the humanitarian assistance side. now direct government aid is another question, but there are ways that this can be that there are ways around this. for example, if we look at the health care sector enough, got this done. well, a lot of attention has been pointed to the fact that clinics have are no longer getting a furniture for we already have to talk. and i do want to come to the other guest as well. a good, a low come to you in just a 2nd, but when it comes to michael 1st, one of the things that we are talking about, we talk about direct government aid and international pressure is getting a partner that can work with the country that you're trying to deal with enough context on his case, but has traditionally been pocket on his pockets on a fair partner. hey, a fair negotiating partner. hey michael. i think that now that the taliban are installed in power in kabul, the taliban are going to be extremely reluctant to accept any intermediary they are

going to be demanding that they any international acts or deal directly with them. so, you know, we, we saw that even when the, the director of the pakistan intelligence service came into cobble and had a role in brokering the agreement amongst the taliban for the cabinet. this was extremely controversial, even amongst the taliban. so i think that you should expect that the, the tolerance will be demanding that we will talk directly. and if there are, you know, if there are issues in the, with the united nations, no, no mediator or broker is going to be able to solve. it will only be solved directly between the the taliban and the international actors. now, are we going to see a smarter taliban more smarter than they were in $96.00. understand that they need to negotiate with the international committee, but it's going to be an negotiation, not a demand, because it seems to me the, i guess the saying actually until they stop demanding and make an actual

negotiation is going to be very difficult. come to an agreement, look misplaced arrogance can be her renders for countries and especially for those who the country. the idea is here, the ideological traditionalism that the taliban enjoy. busy enable them to live in an alternative reality at times where when they're faced with battle assessment issues as to whether they can win about the lord. not they believe that wall cory's and angels were blinded support them. when faced with a famine, they believe that god will eventually know provide for the people which means that their own agency and their own sense of responsibility is minimized. and they believe that as long as they have integrity, everything else should be fine. as your other guests said that they might do better in the integrity department. the idea is the skill set is missing. i'm afraid that a lot of fun just seems to have come out of one corrupt region into another that

has tyrannical tendencies. and it's sad because the world hadn't seen famine and hunger and the sort of price you were looking at in palestine in decades. and i really don't want over country to be a 1st example off that in recent history. jennifer just quickly is aid the answer then isn't starting negotiations at the very beginning. around humanitarian aid, a good start point or is it just actually what we're doing is it's the only thing that we can do. we can't do anything else. i think right now it is the only thing that we can do, but is a positive some outcome. so it allows the government to engage with the international community and allows that people have gone a sense received aid. we know that famine is not a result of natural disaster famine as a political failure and we ask, emerson cannot afford another political failure like this. i want to thank all i

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