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ah ah, it was seen as a hair one. let me get aside the whole loose as well. now spend the next 25 years in jail for terrorism. what led to the verdict and did his criticism of the present viral? it's a walk into the program, i'm in, ron kon, from eli poll recess, a beginner is a hero. the former who told manager saved the lives of more than 1200 people by giving them shelter during the 19941 been genocide. the story was celebrated and the hollywood film a hotel or wander, says then recessive,
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beginner has become one of the most vocal critics of president paul cook army. the government has accused him of being part of an armed group. he's been convicted and jail for 25 years for terrorism rights groups. observe as say, the child was a sham, designed to send a message to dissidence. welcome web reports from one does capital kigali for recessive beginner, refused to come to court with his co accused to hear the verdict of his trial and wonders, capitol kigali. he was charged with terrorism and related offenses. prosecutors said he was behind a series of attacks that happened in one to 3 years ago when we got to the port. he is convicted of being a member of a group and participating tara activities that he is acquitted of creating an illegal group. therefore him to set up by geena paul. he sentenced to 25 years in prism in recess, a beginner was flown from divine ticky golly,
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last year against his will. one does government suggested he was deceived into boarding a plane that is paid for international legal observers. say that was just the 1st of many problems with the trial. his family has rejected the verdict, my father was tortured, kidnapped a night, his basic right. and then now they just gave him a guilty verdict. the co accused came on the stand and said that they had been a forced and co hurst and tortured into saying false things against my father. and witnesses are paid and government agent's recess. a beginner was made famous by the hollywood film hotel. rwanda. he told the story of how he saved hundreds of lives as a hotel manager. during rwanda's 994 genocide, he then fled into exile, became a vocal critic. everyone was president pool kick. i'm a pledge support for an opposition armed group with prosecutors. he also funded
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an order a tax. recess of again denied it. most of his co accused pled guilty and their statements were used as evidence against him. the other defendants and now being led on to the prison bus to be taken back to jail recess to begin hasn't even left jail for the last 6 months, refused to participate in the court proceeding. all of the defendants. now the opportunity to appeal the court of appeal within the next 15 days. recess, the beginning and supporters have completely rejected all of these legal proceedings to date. recess, a beginner is a belgian citizen, and the residents of the us government have criticized the trial. one does government has justice, has been delivered if he serves the 25 year sentence, recessive beginner. 67 years old, who like he die in jail? malcolm web al jazeera kigali wonder president polka gama is
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a polarizing figure in rhonda. he's credited with developing the country and it's political stability after the genocide, but he's accused of silencing opponents south africa investigators. so could always government was directly involved in the killing of one of his critics, patrick car, gail in johannesburg in 2014. could only has denied the accusations on any involvement in the unsolved murders of several rondon dissidence. now the most recent was the death of a former army officer who was shot at his home in most of the capital my boots last week. the let's bring in, i guess, in kigali yolanda macola or a wondering government spokesperson and in chicago, bryan endless director of african studies at a low low university, chicago and senior adviser to the hotel, one the recessive again foundation and in london. jonathan, answer,
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publisher of africa briefing a pan african use magazine based in london. now welcome to the program. i'd like to begin with brian endless in chicago. this is nothing more than a sham trial. thank you for having me on the program. and unfortunately, i completely agree, paul recess of begin was kidnapped by the rwandan government over a year ago. last august, he was not kidnapped because of any criminal charges he was taken because he has been a critic of that government for over 20 years now. and they have harassed him over that time. you're p unparliamentary and said what fear trial process starts with the kidnapping. and following the kidnapping, he was tortured for 4 days. he was held in solitary confinement for over $250.00 days in violation of the un nelson mandela rules for treatment of prisoners. and he
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has had limited or no access to his lawyers or legal documents. there was no fair trial ever intended in this case. and as we clearly see from the proceedings and from the results, no fair trial happened. in kigali yolanda macola, this was just just as being served wasn't li. the trial was 21 suspects were conducted fairly. and transparently, and they presented to the quarter compelling and comprehensive part of the evidence . those presented to the ord consisted of the files that were handed over to the wrong prosecution from the belgian prosecution that searched for somebody to help. and brussels also prevented in testimony the poor kid who talked about what they had done together as well as the victim testimonies victims of the attacks in 201820194 western rondo. front, endless,
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it was fer, it was transferring the evidence was presented in the way it should have been while you complaining let me take it point by point and thank you for bringing it up. and that is the classic answer of the rwandan government. the good news for us was it was transparent. this trial was very transparent. it was broadcast on you to every day. and we were able to watch it with pulse family and paul's legal team. and we saw the unfairness unfold before our there was no compelling testimony. in fact, there was no reasonable testimony in any way, shape or form. there was nothing present. it that showed that paul or any of the coaches were guilty. the spokesperson mentioned the so called belgian dossier. there was in fact dossier that came from vulture. it was an investigation that started at the request of the rwandan government. 2019. the belgian government
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cooperated with them. they put together a long document. unfortunately for the one in government, they want us to believe this document is in some way. going to indict paul. in fact, we've read the document and there is nothing in it. there is nothing to the point that in july it's a bulge in government, began talking with paul's vocal warrior to tell him that they were about to close the case and nothing was going to happen. there was no evidence found there any way could be used to indict fall the testimony of the co accused. and there was actually a test, a written testimony from paul to paul began this in person after person talked about their testimony. when they came up on the stand and they said it was coerced . in paul's case, it was coerced at the end of 4 days of torture. with no lawyer present, he was forced to sign a document. at least one of the code used said in court that he signed
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a document. she said not even rep. his lawyer presented him with the documents. most of the coach use talked about the worse than that went into the written testimony and their verbal testimony. on the other hand, in open court, transparently completely vindicated paul. busy busy and the others, they said there was no connection to paul, they didn't know him, they didn't know of the political party. the paul is a part of. busy until they went to jail. and then finally because the spoke person brought it up, the victims testimony was not testimony at all. we watched the victim after victim and i'm very sorry for these victims and their families. we watched victim after victim come up and they told us what they had lost. they gave us a story of troops that were on identify that had attacked them, indoor attack. there was once they told us what property they had lost or the
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entries they had had, they never identified these troops. they never identified any of the court shoot. they never said that any of these troops were a part of the group that there were wondering government alleges committed these attacks. in fact, over the entire trial from february to july 0. evidence was presented that these attacks even happened. there were pictures of some attack. there were witnesses talking about some attack. it was only the prosecutors telling us these attacks at the time, the right, let's pull all of that to elanda mcculler. what is your reaction? well, in addition to numerous numerous records of what's the conversation between the members, what planning the attacks in wander and also planning helps take responsibility for them. it was of western union and other institution. so fun to to the d. r. c, to buy weapons and suppliers, the compensation about the needs of the soldiers on the ground. there were,
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there were competitions as well about which was a begin at getting military updates from the gospel to come under the ground. he will kill you in charge of this militia. he was promoting the officer. if you decided the spoke, people would be in addition, what all of this was happening. don't to quiet about about this. they are still on line and will be lee and b. c radio congregations that are going to have jones bragging about taking responsibility for a conversation with a journalist is not a crime. that is not a crime. that is not a crime. having conversation with john, this is not crime. having a conversation on whatsapp privately is no evidence of can be serious is a crime. and he was found guilty based on the evidence that was presented in court . jonathan. and so you've been hearing what to guess in kigali and chicago have
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been saying clearly, this is a very controversial trial with very controversial themes. like having conversations with journalists. i mean, how much of the african imagination has this court has been controversial? indeed. yes. but i'm from when i'm 6 and a son, observer journalist, and i'm those ever. i believe that paul rose just again them. you know, it's all wrinkled though. we also it's on tv. i get broke out for the day. i mean, re, game must be removed by all means literature. ok, i mean, so he's pretty self open b, i say, and openings, or fair talk of poker gummy. okay. and from what we got our report that we gather, i mean that was bon bons,
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and i guess which he was kicked. i'm not, i'm not going to be got experience object to john this observance sense and them from what we see. i would say, i never agree, it's not that for our free and for all the try out was free. ok, but sorry, jonathan, you're going to come back to shortly. bye. want to i do want to put your point to yolanda macola. this has been a trial that has been watched by international observers. it was very important for a one to to get this right and to be completely transparent. yet you've been criticized by voting government. you've been criticized by human rights organizations. is that any of those criticisms that you take on board? not at all. they have the concern that the child free and fair,
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and that's what we're good. there's no one who's more interested in the free and fair trial than we were wanting to 6 months. it was meticulously carried out by the, by the judges. and they came up with was based on the evidence that was presented, including some open source, open open sources of conduct. linda, he's talking about this view. he's on admission. told us at the beginning was the leader of the afternoon. he called him people to mobilize to support the young men and women who are in the new forest. and he said they wouldn't leave there. they did not come to the forest to abandon it, and they will go all the tricky golly to talk to please elected governor. he said this ok, well in the wrong way, the evidence, we've seen a lot of the evidence like the court. you tell us talerico terrorists and no
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government should tolerate terrorist, but that's what we're. that's what the question we're asking. let me just go to jonathan. if i answer it is the most crucial point of this case. a lot of it is political. this was about recess, a big enough saying that he was a critic of the cook army government. and that's what put him in this site. now that's maybe illegal, maybe not legal, but it depends on the countries constitution. in rwanda, it's clearly a legal to have that level of criticism from where you're sitting. you're a journalist, you're fitting in london, ill critical of several regimes, including one that you felt that you might be in the sites of the running government, like other disciplines have been an african bridge . so really what, what is the company gonna passwords and some tax in my lot of work i to, to be careful how i report how sipping and
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events. so things are not in africa. i mean for fear of miles k. so, but i will say, look pretty good coming at trip to i don't mind. it's a very important your making, but we don't have a clear connection to you. i'm going to go to brian endless. brian, one of the themes, not just of this trial, but of could always government is that he has been cracking down on diffidence, not just reset the beginning, but others as well. do you think that's a fair criticism of him? 100 percent and i've been working on issues in wanda since 2007. it has only gotten worse since that time. and please don't take my word for it. you mentioned international organizations, human rights watch, amnesty international and others. the cooney foundation has done an excellent job
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on trial monitoring on this case. they'll say this case is unfair. more importantly though, thank you for bringing it up. paul's case is not isolated. there have been thousands of victims over the past 10 decades. in the last 5 years alone, there are a wanted ex patriot groups that track these things. 300 people have been killed extra judicially inside and outside of the country by the want and government. thousands more have been arrested. we have some of the high profile cases because he told me she go, was a singer who was considered a dissident who was put in jail and then died under mysterious circumstances. yvonne damage was a housewife who had enough and who began to criticise to go online, and it was warned to stop. and when she didn't stop, she was imprisoned. former high government official, some of the people that i talked to on
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a regular basis are people who were former are p f, again a party and they were very highly placed. we know the stories of patrick church, guy a. his former intelligence chief, who was very close to paul could guy may, and after they fell out, she was assassinated in south africa, generally. and wasa, the former, either brian with let's put those points to yolanda yolanda, why is your government looking up distance? according to brian, listen, the evidence of guilt in this case is clear. if anyone has evidence to the contrary, they should bring in what brian was doing and what other people like. he was all bonding with very high stereotypes about one and, and then the been prejudiced use of africa in general. this case, this case what it will shocking about it is the total and complete removal of the victims of these crimes. no one talks about the victims be trying to rule. they
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happened in 2018, 2019 to extremely attract to place in june and december 2018 in which 9 people were killed including 2 children, age 13 and 17. family was devastated. but this is completely ignored. the suffering is completely ignored. as is the complicity of the 20 other co defendants just because one of the difficulty for one of the defendants was that was portrayed in 17 years ago. jonathan, i'm in london. one of the reasons for me is such a powerful figure in wonder is because of his economic reforms because of his ability to manage the economy. a lot of rondon so sorry, we actually can't go to right now, but we'll go back to your land, yolanda i want to hear from you. let's give me a, give me a clear answer. this trial was criticized by human rights watch by the voting
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government. you say it was a fair trial? was it floored? can you admit that? or do you think it was completely above board? he was, or did he was tried, in case would be tried anywhere else in the world. nothing preventing from accepting the case against him and defending himself from what do you think there was there was absolutely absolutely nothing more and we built it is capable if you'd expect from all over the world, then the fugitive back to want to be try including countries in europe, you've got a lot of people yolanda disagreeing with you. you've got a lot of people differing idea including a guest in chicago. brian, brian, brian, tell me just let me, let me, let me ask you a question, brian. how much of what, how much of what you're criticizing the running government for is the classic criticism of african governments everywhere is that they're incapable of being fair
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. just because they're offering, it's actually for me, it's not true at all because i've become a deep expert on rwanda. and i know many other african countries while there are issues in african countries. i honestly believe parker gummies for wanda is a special case. this is a man who wants complete control over descent inside of his country, while other leaders may want it. she has actually achieved it. and examples are the things that you want is bringing up, are patently on their face. ridiculous fact, brian, i want to put that point to him as well because we haven't really heard from him because technical difficulties. but jonathan found it's a very simple question. folk ago, made insulated from a lot of the criticism within render itself because he's been a success. some people have called him a benevolent dictator. how much does that mean?
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he's untouchable. but it's so touchable ok. but let me close to that. am what this past research history, they had to get a psych who was again, put us up on it's her powder people were killed. so the fact events actually ship people's minds ship, people's drinking sifts people's options. okay, so be backed up. i'm not trying to be an apologist for poca garbage, but maybe that of shipped him and in trying to prevent as cibola, tragedy can yes. add some time to i called pay him to delete the phase primary software to couple new quite you. i mean, see, when i mean, i think dependency 905758 sig polish a buck,
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what's our corporate buckle job. but she wished a couple extra day. right? all to be met. but called them, we had a lot of the just i want him leave the last point to actually to you both in kigali and in chicago. very, very simply. is there any thing of each other's arguments? chicago brian in las says it's a sham in kigali yolanda. you say that this is actually a fair trial. is there anything you've heard from each other the might change your minds? let's begin with you, your lender 1st. look, you know, i did not understand someone who, you know, brian angela says that could go month to the genocide expenses in which more than a 1000000 people like anything else. you know, after that make sense. we may please you can do you want to come to brian and talk?
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i did. so we went, bryan, your thoughts to be clear? i never said anything like that. once again, it is made up by the one the government. my based thought here is, if their system is so fair, why did they not try extradition? the united states has extradited. we're wandering back, that is something i agree with yolanda and she mentioned that earlier. why did they kidnap the man instead of trying extradition? why are they holding him from his lawyers and not allowing his lawyers to see him? why did they torture him on his arrival? none of these things suggest that there was any chance of a fair trial. a fair legal system would have put the evidence to the united states where he was living at the time or to belgium, and to say, please send this man to us. and the us and belgium have cooperated with wonder. in the past. there was never an attempt at cooperation. they've jumped straight to kidnapping in humanitarian because he is a critic of
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