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news. as fall out from the security patch between the u. s. the you can just radio reverberates joe biden is seeking to come. france, the us president, called an outrage. your money back from the canvas call. sue tension across the atlantic of the so called orcus alliance, and will europe go it alone and defending itself? this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm adrian said again, it's meant to counter china's influence in the contested south china sea, but the so called orcas deal between the us,

the u. k. a straight here has threatened ties between allies. france is angered by what it's called a stab in the back packed and it's rallying european partners. it says it found out about the agreement only a few hours before it was announced. and the security partnership has cost paris, a multi $1000000000.00 deal to build submarines for camera. the u. s. in france of made efforts to ease tensions after a 5 day stand off. and many mccall agreed to send the french ambassador back to washington after a phone call with the us president and jo, biting pledge not to cut paris out of future decisions in the, in the pacific region. the 2 leaders agreed to meet in europe next month. there has been ongoing discussions and engagements at a variety of levels between the united states and france. so certainly the possibility of a meeting was something that was naturally discussed in advance, but also natural for the president to raise that and discuss it at the leader level

in terms of the tone of the call. it was friendly, it was one where we're hopeful in the president. hopeful this is a step and returning to normal in a long, important abiding relationship that the united states has with france. will france also recall, attend, voice was trailer and a rest step among allies, president emanuel mac wrong didn't take a call from astray as prime minister scott morrison says he'll be patient in mending time with france. we understand the disappointment, and that is the way you manage difficult issues. the difficult decision was a very difficult decision and of course we had to weigh up what would be the obvious disappointment to france. but at the end of the day, as a government, we have to do what is right for strategy and sit astride is national security interests. and i will always choose a strategy as national security interest. first. meanwhile, britain, this prime minister, earnest money on the crown to quote, get over his anger and give him

a break. i just think it's time for some of our dearest friends around the world to pony our grip. about all this done in the break. because this is fundamentally a great step forward for global security. it's 3 very like minded allies, standing shoulder to shoulder, creating a new partnership for the sharing of, of technology. it is not exclusive, i did not trying to, to shoulder anybody. i did not at the stereo towards china, for instance. european union leaders have rallied behind france over that his peers . he was seen by the german minister of europe as a wakeup call for the block on the importance of uniting on foreign and security policy. that show of solidarity came as european leaders calling for more independence from the u. s. on defense. and the route threatened to delay a major cooperation summit between the u. s. and the u on trade and technology.

the that's bringing our guests for today from paris at joined by emanuel do plea, president of the institute for european perspective and security from brussels. theresa fallon is director of the center for russia, europe, and asia studies and from london where star robin is a managing director for europe at eurasia group. so welcome to the program. all of you much trouble if we can start with you by going over some relatively recent old ground front says it's been stamped in the back. what on earth will these allies thinking or with the focus? i'm not thinking of at all. was this a deliberate ploy? to keep france in the dark or a diplomatic snuff, i think the guests will be able to speak to, you know, how the french of the see what happened. i think the react from paris is driven really by 4 o'clock. this one is a believe the trust and integrity between eyes and mouth. clearly. and this is,

this was not the case. given. secret talks have been taking place for more than 6 months. apart from those have some interest in the pacific region. and the disagreement obviously cuts across those quite to direct way the political economy. you know, the loss of the contract from the job, i think not as an important factor on driving is reaction, as well as the domestic electoral considerations. i think it's a feature needed to get out from the, from folks and regarding what happened and i think certainly speak to and keep public opinion on his side. but i don't think the reaction is fully the motivated by domestic politics. that's how the french feel in terms of what the allies were doing. i think it's, it's a combination of opportunism on that. you take side a change in political leadership on your stray the inside and frankly told

diplomacy and sloppiness. on the american side, teresa, do you agree with that? was it sloppy? what are we to make of the joint statement from the white house of the least a palace saying that the situation, perhaps in hindsight, would have benefited from open consultations among allies? well, i think this is kind of a world of speculation, because i would imagine we've seen the strength of the french protest, her wine deployment, diplomacy about this. and i don't think this would have been able to take place even if there were previous consultations. so i think that was why it didn't leak out at all. it was so important. but on the other hand, in the show you impressed. there have been complaints about the french not meeting their delivery dates, the explosion in costs. and the problem of cyber hacking of the plan. so i think that this was also a concern in australia. does drilling, it's made that known to the french. i think the french are acting a bit to surprise that this actually happened. and it also means that france feels

that they feel it's their biggest fear to, to see not important on the international stage. so they've not only lost this very important contract. it seems that they're kind of historic rival, as well as a breakfasted u. k is working more closely with united states and australia. so this is something that sending a seismic shake wave across europe and macro and it's an election year for him. he has to act very tough on the international stage, or at least domestically in france. and i think that all of these things have added up, that we've seen an olive branch being sent out by president biden to macro. and i think that the statement, it actually gave peg from across everything he pretty much wanted. he wanted more support in the hell which he's getting. and there was a lot of talk about ending a very important e u. u. s. cooperation schemes. for example, the upcoming technology cooperation council was going to be cancelled because the french were so upset. but i think we should be careful not to complete,

complete france with the e u, because it's a bilateral trade issue. and it's not that everyone in the us necessarily supporting france on this. ok and manual. do you agree with that? particularly the bit about sending extra help to this. i held a statement said that the president biden reaffirms the strategic importance of france and the european engagement in the pacific region of the us. it's going to supply extra help to french lead anti terrorist operations in this a hell. is that going to be enough to put kate france? absolutely not. these are words. this is absolutely not good or expecting president biden did not. i think comply to totally, to what france or assistant person fans were expecting. of course he used to diplomatic words of having better consultations. but does that mean that fans would be engaged with the united states? great britain. the quote the countries were gathering today and united states in

the southern pacific. i'm not sure. does that mean that france an issue have been partners, will have the certainty that you've been union and the united states on the same track when it comes to reassuring the participation of the united nations. chapter 7, operations ahead. united states doing the trump administration as well as me station never accepted to put the g 5 side of strategic corporation under chapter 7. i'm not sure that's contrary to the country of what the maybe you have to get spoke about that because of my home as obtained what you wanted. absolutely not. ok, so just diplomatic stuff. we're told that the call between president biden and mccomb was friendly enough. what can we expect of the meeting and manual between micron and bio next month we to, to be, to be honest, we should have expected that united states would not interfere in the other

contract that we are biding for in the region. i have for example, i would take the example of the 36 that we're going to send to india in which united states are trying to, to try to pose. i'm having mine as well. the upcoming $36.00 casado d that we're going to strike with indonesia. it is obvious that united states are pushing for the $4745.00. so i'm not quite sure that the diplomatic language that was used between the 2 presidents are sufficient to call as the situation like least. this is a political statement. this is a domestic issue. that is true. there is huge pressure on president michael not to go and to put to put aside a certain number of statements and to be likely to be more assertive. a huge part of the political upper opposition here in france,

according to what you offer to meet you kind of natal, theresa is france deluded, its sense of importance, middle, terribly, politically and diplomatically. that's an interesting term that you used to looted . i think that the biggest fear for france is that they're going to be seen as irrelevant. and i feel that this is what most diplomats have been speaking with. have mentioned that the real fear of irrelevance. and that the u. k. seems to be the chosen partner rather than france and all of this. and there's also a monetary issue in, in regard to this, the previous speaker mentioned, you know, this idea of selling weapons system. so i think france would like to have these contracts, but we see now there's a political as well as the military and defense security cooperation. so us really, you chose france because it wasn't seen as so frightening, i guess, in regard to the neighborhood. but now the strategic landscape has changed

dramatically. and so countries really feel that they need to work with not many power, like friends or major power like the united states. okay. which time would you agree with that is france or i will use the way to relevant them rather than to looted no, i think well, certainly certainly not irrelevant. and we know all about manual agenda for not only from the french when the union, in the opinion, even being more autonomous, having the capability to use the power of the single market to be more strategic, thomas in the world and to look after its values and protect it to an interest, i think on the back of what's happened with all because you will see my attempt to european eyes. what is essentially and i agree with your, of the speakers, essentially a bilateral problem that we have seen interventions from the commission president from the working council president european parliament president as well as from

a number of the foreign ministers. and i suspect that pressure within france and in your root will grow what will it be result and i think remains remains unclear. is you're going to put as many where its mouth is and develop real hard power capability problem, probably not. but you could see the european, again deciding to leverage the single want to do more in the area of trade tech plant using it. i can only can regulate tree leverage in a way that enables some of this strategic goal told me to take on more practical meaning. so i don't think the french are relevant. i do think i do think what has happened does have long term structural consequences and understanding what those off. i think it's going to take some time and money as, as a g 7, a g 20 economy, a prominent member of the security council, a key member of nature, one of the key decision makers in the you and a pacific power will the office eyes

a straight especially come to regret the treatment of france while you are right, you have right to mention that france created the pacific pacific commission in 1047. that it was one of the leaders and which in $1084.00 created the engine commission. so we are definitely a pacific country, 1600100000, sorry, punch live in that there were 5000 troops going there. and as you know, as we have the 2nd biggest, a naval our 3 for 75 percent that see in asia pacific. so we are definitely asia power, but i'm not sure that france wants to be part of the, a truce or a to build up for various reasons. first of all, d h has built up is an agency broadly created to contain military. the rise of china is that a huge baker patient or is

a huge reservation for france and other you've been partners? i'm quite sure. a certain number of you and nato partners do believe that i was a political diplomatic agenda of a camera, as well as, as moscow is a biggest threat and a big fear for them. so i'm not sure that wants to engage in an annual section built up of course, singapore, which will join maybe the a chris of course the quadrant meeting today. with a prime minister yoshi he de suga plus prime minister scott, my son and prime minister and moody. it was cause a biting the fact that there is this way to contain the right and the power china. so getting maybe 2 elements. first of all, that the deployment of the soft and hard inference of china is not only in the south pacific or into into pacific area, it is in the african continent. and there we have a say on that. and of course, in euro isn't agenda. and of course the situation i've done is done has shown that

china as overwhelmed and it's the shadow american. and in the end, by the end of taking consideration that the chaos of the departure. and of course, we have to take into consideration that china is operating in europe. so the biggest threats and a big, huge assessment to contain the right of china, not only in the asia pacific area, but in there, you've been content. teresa taylor, great with what you just heard down at wet. where does francis relationship now with the orcus eyes go from here? and is it deliberately prolonging this? this spat 5 bit of diplomatic theatre if you'd like, in order to get something compensation perhaps is because of we call the chinese diplomacy will warrior and summer calling wind diplomacy. so the more noise france makes more that can get in exchange because clearly as our previous speaker noted,

china, russell france has 1500000 people in this region has a lot a great deal of blue territory. and they are working very closely with the u. s, the french navy and the u. s. navy worked together in this region so many analysts have assumed that france, you know, after they have this period of protest that they will actually have to go back and work with the us because they have interest there. and there is close cooperation anyway. and so this idea of strategic autonomy in europe. this has been going on, you know, the groundhog day, it keeps happening over and over again. the u. k has left, there is huge defense partner with the you, but now they're gone. so the idea of strategic autonomy is very, very weak. and the only alternative is to create a stronger european power within nato. and i think that this goes against gall, this thinking in france, they always like to think that they're going to lead the rest of europe. but i think that this is a huge problem. and the other idea that recurring constantly in europe is that ross

is really a problem now because the us is becoming more and more laser focused on the indo pacific. and that means your book will have to up there and he will have to improve defense spending burden sharing in, in their own neighborhood. and as the previous speaker pointed out, we've seen russia, china cooperation in the mediterranean with naval exercises, russia, china cooperation in the baltics. but i don't think it's really waking up many europeans into wanting to increase defense spending. so i think that there really has to be a wake up call and less, as you mentioned, political theater and real efforts, enough of the talking. and now it's really time to do something. what must have, what's your, your view, and what are the implications of this, this focus deal that diplomatic spat the treatment of france for the you in particular and its own security and defense policies. now visions, i think the answer to that question is bobs quite straightforward. and all the boring not, not much, frankly,

i mean look at the internal debate within germany is they had their election on sunday. well, the thing at a german chancellor probably oh la, show sitting and fragmented 3 party coalition means we're going to have strong german leadership in europe. i think he's wrong. manual macro has his election on the 10th and 24th of april, which means effectively legislative elections in june, which people always forget. so, you know, you're, you're really looking for the next year. that's a complete lack of synchronization between france and germany. no real leadership in your beyond what happened structurally, i think, i think, you know, is you know, up the margin incremental integration, but nothing meaningful. one piece, i think we should bring out which is important is french u. k. ties. those i think are extremely strange. we've got to remember the concepts are the bilateral franco u. k, u k. for the relationship it was already once where there was really little trust because all partial got government behavior on implementation regarding the

protocol. and this is obviously fit into our context, you know, relations we're not starting from a blank sheet of paper. and then the last point i will be very briefly is i do believe we're moving to a situation that you can your, which will be a bit more tension, a bit more escalate tree. it's highly likely that they will spend the northern ireland protocol notified by the commitments they find 2 in 2019. but again, you're going to, i think, really okay. and then how does those comments from, from boris johnson go down there in france when, when he told president micron to get a grip and give him a break? well, will nothing about that, you know, we consider as a region as a junior partner. and this is one of the reasons we did not call back katherine court and the french investor in london, london is just begging i am an agenda. and i think it to be very honest. we cannot,

of course, compare the huge strength me to strengths of the united nation of the united states . more, less, $7000000000.00 of the defense defense spending. of course, with the minor european invocation. not more than 186000000000000000, sorry, of euro's but to be honest. or we can compare some elements. first of all, the only 3 major military hours in the western or what have to have the full spectrum of me to capacity. and that is fonts, that is great britain and that is united states. we build submarines, we have nuclear deterrence. we are deployed around the world and we have a full spectrum capability of deploying troops. we are great troops in africa. we are going to be in syria and iraq, and we still are playing some truth in iraq. so i think not to bullying on the great britain side. we have to take in consideration that there's

a lot of political agenda both, both in france and both in great britain. a certain number of australia leaders are not very happy about this decision made by scott morrison. previous prime minister, kevin rod, or malcolm told one or 20 habit, decided to get to be very precise thing. it was a political mistake to young from and to only decide to this to, to speak with the, the american. and i think this is the same thing we've written about it. so i'm sorry, have to, but in here, but we're running out of time here, teresa just want one more question here about president biden, a french politician described by the sidelining of france as a blunder amounting to a strategic blindness that will only benefit the chinese is he right, how damaged is biden's reputation in europe. i think everyone really understand that this wouldn't have happened if it was,

if there was consultation and i think the u. s. has made it quite clear under the bite and administration that they're going to work with many laterals with coalitions of the willing and these smaller groupings because otherwise it's just too difficult to do. for example, with the you 27 members say it's impossible to get them to all agree on one thing. so all you need is one member say to block it and we've seen that happen over and over again. so another kind of upping it. this offices is the beginning, i think of more many laterals, and i think this is the future. i think france will understand and get along because it needs to, it needs more defense and security cooperation with the u. s. and this period i think of protest will end, and i think that everyone understands in french interests as well. and as i mentioned earlier, i think we must keep an eye on the ball here that it was because france was unable to deliver and that they had increased dramatically. the costs was showing that australia thought, why don't we just buy nuclear armed subs are powered submarines because that was

pretty much the price of francis charging them for diesel engine. so i think that france should really reflect on this, and it's not only australia that has been complaining about the french military defense complex as your germans complaining about your other countries. so i think that they really do need to maybe look inwards. and if they want to be a big export of these weapon systems, they need to improve. ok, there is we must leave it many thanks indeed, money order. we teresa final and much taba roman. thank you. as always for watching, just because you can see the program again at any time just by visiting the website at algebra dot com for further discussion. join our facebook page that's at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. and you can join the conversation on twitter, handle at a j inside story from me, adrian again and the whole team here in the thanks for watching. we'll see you again. bye for now. the

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