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i am steve clements and i have a question. how did relations between the united states and turkey fall apart? and then i had me come back together again. let's get to the bottom line. ah, for a lot of years, it seemed like relations between the united states and turkey. just couldn't get any worse, even though they've been close nato allies for decades. they were going in opposite directions, kind of like a divorce or a train wreck in really slow motion. washington was supporting kurdish fighters in syria, which was a major blow to ankara. and turkey was buying s 400 anti aircraft systems from russia. not something that made washington very happy. it wasn't just a war of words warmer president donald trump promised to devastate the turkish economy. any sanction turkish officials. the turkish lira is now just worth about a 3rd of what it used to be a few years ago. ouch. but then out of nowhere came afghanistan to breathe, new life into the turkish us relationship. suddenly, us secretary of state anthony blinking was tweeting remarkable words last month. he

said that turkey was, quote, an important nato, an ally, and an invaluable partner in the region. we haven't heard anything like that in a while. and this week, turkish president, reggie pie of everyone was in new york for the un general assembly. and for the opening of a massive turkish skyscraper in midtown manhattan k v center. so where are things headed now? are the 2 countries still on a collision course, or is this the high point of a roller coaster ride? today we're talking with howard ice and start who teaches middle east history with a focus on turkey at saint lawrence university in new york. and leave the delay a researcher on turkish affairs at the german institute for international security affairs. chatham house and oxford university. john, it's great to be with you. howard. let me just put, put this tony blinking tweet up for a moment. and he basically says, i spoke with a turkish foreign minister about joint efforts to ensure a safe and orderly evacuation from afghanistan, turkeys, an important nato allies, and an invaluable partner in the region. look,

could this tweet have been sent 6 months ago? yes, i think it could i i think i think, i mean i think that there's the relationship isn't real troll. that doesn't mean that there's not going to be a relationship going forward, but we're in the process of retooling. i think that what we saw in the the blinking message was, was that, you know, the united states would like to cooperate with turkey and is delighted that there is this place, the location of this place for cooperation that doesn't take away all. busy the tension points, but it points to the fact that i think the u. s. and her get both coming to a place where they are going to agree that there are areas of cooperation and a real tension. gallup. you know, i think that howard, i start, sees the less whiplash in this relationship than i do. but,

but how do you see it from your perspective? you, you know, this area almost better than anyone. i know. do you feel that air to one is playing his chessboard well right now to say, you know what? you've got a problem and you've been nasty to us, but now we can fix it. and is there a price that everyone is putting on his taking some of the pressure off the us with regard to african refugees and, and other issues with regard to managing afghanistan? well, i think this question also take, go to the ethics of checks. yes. relationship. because only took your relationship term solution is essentially at the current partnership. it's essentially well driven by the jo pulled when the could be impaired. so it is a very unique dimension. and now the turkey basically utilize the jo called or file amended relationship because the previous, the, the major tries of interest in recent years has been largely related to the jo,

potable file here. it has become the major price point. you can inferior both actors look at each other, local partners to the land, carry them. but i think that each other goals as being inimical to their mission incense and even when it comes to target, purchased o. s 400 me file system from the, from russia, the u. s. t d 's as turkey stolen and buying and, and figured the instrument rather the u. s. t 's did as a manifestation of token. and this is why the quote was so i was so difficult to resolve it now for a while the church was looking for prizes to remind us it's important for sometimes circus thought that the train can service. because in black, the turkey, lars, the operate and then and then nato actor, it's the police closer to death of the major and that you and that there can

service it. law. it has been, it hasn't showed up for present. but in that can it's done non target thing that, that kind of thing can be such a, you know, a good prizes, phrases that can get a new data with this kind of so story cancer as a icebreaker in relationship. but it is unlikely to be in the relationship, but it is unlikely to overcome the nature of the interaction with you. but i think anything can we can show to, you know, to change the climate, boston emissions you to change the language of relationship because let's not forget the blink. and in his confirmation speech referred to target as our so called strategic partners. now the believe, quote, target. busy our strategic partner, invaluable partner, you know, difficult region. so the language has dramatically change, but all the files are still that the as $400.00 doesn't result,

the difference between church you are on is that the whole point case, which is the target 2nd largest bank is on trial in new york is still there. so the other puppies, like the military and you have more results. so the sources of tension, the social, the cries, are dead. but i think right now the afghanistan can be a bit, diffuse the climate that will the student talk to. well, thank you. get, let me know how let me ask you this question and, and i apologize for my naive a t a in this in maybe things have moved in a way that i don't know. but one of the questions about countries like turkey or countries like hungry with victor or bon is, do they constitute democracies? any more hungry is a member of the european union. turkey is not, but it's a member of nato, which nonetheless says it shares values. and that's a values based as well as a security alliance. and i think my question is there are, there are more elections coming up in turkey. and i'm watching this hug fest from

tony, blinking, asking myself is the next step in invitation to biden's summit of democracies. i'm not going to speak for the baton administrator, but i think that your, your point bays is an important issue. turkeys turkeys sort of. so i'm where between democracy or during regime political scientists refer to it as an electoral authoritarian regime. it doesn't have a free press, it uses the police against political opposition against civil society leaders. it holds people for, for years and years on unfold charges. and this, this is something that, that doesn't make a relationship easier. in fairness, the united states has lots of relationships with authoritarian and dick tory picked

up here fail regimes. it's engages with. egypt engages with saudi arabia. but it makes it harder to paper over the strategic strategic problems when there's no values shared and it makes it harder to paper over the values issues when those strategic issues are broke. i would, i will argue that the, the upcoming election is important for another reason. it means that it's, it's more likely than not that as we approach the election, the turkish government will increase its anti american rhetoric so. so while the, the talk in english has been very positive, the talk in turkish has been, well, a advisor to, to the pros, as an air to one was on television this week. say,

talking about the potential for turkish and us troops to, to, to be in a firefight and serial. thank gallup manage. and i guess in our cart relationship better, you know, is air to one. going to do better or biden. going to do better. you went to some of the touch points of syria. you could add, you know, oil, oil, lease and exploration in territory claimed by cyprus in the greek cypress. when you have issues like the relationship with the kurds, and you use the s 400 and relationship and hedging with russia, which many would argue as a very clear violation of the agreements with the nato allies about systems that are interchangeable. that can be used across all allies. and so i guess my question to you is how, which countries in a better position to manage an alec heart side where's today, where your friend in tomorrow, where your rival, which was in both have to me an option in the end right now we are not in

a resolution period or more, i don't see any cries in trucks transformations to resolve any time. but can we basically, can we manage the crisis better? can we compact mental like relationship where we can work together in areas where our kids are not. i'm not work together in areas that doesn't overlap. i think that's the question that basic can do us right now. i see that the compartment vision element is once again back on the table. as a mention, blackie is one of them at the afghanistan is one of them. but we don't have much more actually in the space because we are running all those the agenda item. and that was one of the few posted agenda item in it. talk about what we are in this relationship. i think one of the major question would be in the us

going as the u. s. is heading towards the cloud, competition with countries like china. the question would be how target is the nature of the great power competition? because in the, during the cold war era, when the, when the competitive will be a junior and the target pursued a great, they couldn't track from the soviet union. and that was one of the fact that the, that was the main factor. we started to think alliance with us and to be member in nature. now the target doesn't have the same truck, where stuff's and as you call the coming great power, actually more than the transportation. thank you perceived this era to be to provide you with minimal paternity and that when he comes, this is where tricky engages in the so called the joe poke a balancing act between different centers of power. and i think the balancing act between different countries or power is what is going to generate more friction and tension in relationship because the u. s. site will say,

well this is again being part of the matrix. so if you are part of the major number of nature, you should not be able to that really and get to jump over balancing act between the what or do you, what russia and, and china, you try. you think that, well, you can actually, it points to come to like friends that you know, many other countries, maybe they didn't buy the s 400, but many, i'll come to engage in a job balance between the us and, and the china or russia. i think the biggest, the most important factors that will shape the target and the u. s. relationship as we go forward is not what is going to happen is not what it's going to happen in matter. it is what is going to happen with great power competition. the 1st great power competition between soviet union and the u. s. to target us alliance. and i

think the new great power competition between the us and china and the us and russia has to undermine this alliance as well, but to contribute it as well too. because turkey corporate, we've come to russia and compete with all good friends. for instance, in bunch of is out in cocoa, in, in black, the, to church of russian relations, depart in have the competitive that you will see turkey that, that will want to be closer to the west. but other places like inferior use in turkey and russia, enabling each other or in, in libya. so i think it is the great power competition that will decide the future turkish information ship and the u. s. a price target my target price target approach to operate in turkey, the middle. it is not the submitted of fasting. howard, let me ask you about this role of, of, of turkey is balance or in bridge. does turkey see itself as

a big player in helping to create a new reset or a different dimension of relationship probably in the region, or does it double down and say, well, we've supported cutter? we have a real problem with how some of the other suny lead states are operating and we want to keep this divide. sure, i think it's a great question and i think that it ties nicely to, to the point which, which i think is really important. that odd, do the way we think about the u. s. turkish relationship has been largely defined by the cold war, which been over now for for decades. and what we're seeing enlarge part is both countries sort of the go shading what a relative declined in us power is going to look like and turn is role. and i think that where i would, where i would ship language a little bit from, from golly, is that i think that turkey sees itself as

a and emerging great power. i think that her disease sees the world as developing into a mode, multi polar system in which turkey can play a very large role that just in the region. but, but around the world. what i think to go to your question, i think that what's going on with in the middle east is a certain escalation from a pretty ideological conflict that will emerge between between state cutler and turkey. one and, and the u. a saudi arabia and egypt on the other. i. i think that that is i think that that reflects though the way the syrian conflict resolved itself. i think that it, it was a matter of not seeing a lot of profit or, or

a lot of change developing from that conflict. in other words, nobody was particularly profiting from it. and so i think it's within the region we see at the escalation. but i don't think that that changes the, the, or i hear that turkey and saudi arabia both see themselves as emerging powers that, that are going to work outside of the u. s. umbrella. right. that they're, they're not going to be constrained by us interests. thank you. very kelly, let me ask you a question. has been out there my mind for a long time. you know, one of the, one of the other touch points that used to define this relationship was this gentleman in pennsylvania, glen and, and president are the ones obsession with getting them over when the trump administration came in, his national security adviser, mike,

when allegedly was interested in finding a way to move mr. go and to allow an extradition of him to turkey, one way or another. and, and you just sort of felt the transactional dimension if that even if half the story were true. and i guess my, my question to you is, you know, i know things went sour with the trump administration, but is from your knowledge of present air to one in a way turkey looks at it at the world. is it that transactional, which weighs was a really interesting question about an alliance with another country. if it is that transactional, if it is that depending on circumstances should the 2nd obvious question should turkey really remain a member in an ally within nato? and yes, you cheek remain a member nature i, nephew, right. my within the nato, many countries are engaged in transactional transaction relationship. and so therefore, this is more about the near future of nature than done the cherokee nation with

nature stuff. i'm just look at the language, right, my friends regarding the nature of god in the us. so therefore, right now, i think the debate that has been generated over turkey can be extended to brother. nature, i'm the future of nature in itself. so that's the 1st one. the 2nd part i didn't read. dory had a very special case and that the qu, the trauma that was generated by cool in trying to get the federal level at the local level. i think put the issue complete on a different level. so the big you don't, the story in a county is like part of where the truck element in the relationship has been very much, very much very mix eroded as the u. s. as a level of trust in us are getting very low, the level of injected to us, you as a very low and the decor at time played a major role there. because the best major to all of those to live in chunk of the

people at the federal level and looking at him whether it's genuine or not genuine, that's beside the question. believes that the, you have at least knowledge of the, you know, that you could not had a hand in it. and the presence of the one that was one of the major, major talking and talking want. so in this is that i think this story in it talk is it unique k, right? but when we go to, but when we go to the brother nature mason ship, i think on the one hand, there is always be a question. there was always revise him to what a thing can you will be transactional in treat the relationship. but the reality is right now we have been for many years. not great. thank you. and then how it's finally there was this meeting just recently between the turkish deputy foreign minister said dot. now i believe in he met with deputy secretary of state, wendy sherman. don't know what they talked about,

the ultimate with victoria newland. and i guess the question is, you know, i bet they were talking about refugees. and i think what's interesting, when you look at the, around the world about refugees, one side of it, just think about refugees in supporting those refugees. the other side of it is nations. i would say, bela bruce is using refugees as a, as a weapon. if you will, against lithuania, you look at the weapon ization of the refugee area, generally dis turkey, look at refugees as a strategic asset to manage. and that's what it's discussing with the united states . or is it just trying to be, you know, can contribute to the global public? good. i think that should le turkey certainly sees refugees as a strategic asset. less with united states, i think with europe. but at the same time it has, it has gone far beyond either the united states or any european state in terms of accepting refugees and carrying so. so i think that, you know,

the one doesn't preclude the other you know, i, i think that i want to go back a little bit to, to, oh, glimpse david because we found something to finally disagree about. i've agreed with pretty much everything is that but, but i don't think that the, the broad term is perception that the u. s. was behind the who is something miler to the relationship. i think it's actually pretty big and it's, it goes to just how limited the capacity for a broader cooperation is yes, there are these moments where, where turkey in the united states can cooperate. but the, the broader story is that the turkey perceives the united states as, as most a militia malevolent power power, it has

a power that is working to undermine and limit turret. and i mean, it's not, it's not a minor thing, right? that this prosecution of a couple of this important so the civil side leader is based on the, the, the, the, the united states. and i think that that's, that speaks to the way the turkish leadership perceives the united states. right. well, thank you. we'll have to leave it there. fascinating conversation. st lawrence university, associate professor of history howard isis dot, and university of oxford research. golly delay, thanks so much for these interesting thoughts today really appreciate you joining us. great to be with you. so what's the bottom line? the united states is going to have some allies with it 247, and other allies like turkey. well, they're just going to be there 2 or 3 days a week without the black and white days of the cold war. it's

a lot of blurred lines and a lot of shades of gray. if the world is a restaurant, alliances would be ala carte, and not prefix, just like china, is slowly, but surely expanding its influence across asia. whether the u. s. protests or not turkey is doing the same thing across the eastern, mediterranean and across central asia. and if ankara is coordinating with moscow, ironically while still a strong member of nato, then that's just the way partnerships are today. kind of like facebook relationships. complicated. the u. s. still has an unrivalled military and intelligence regime, but turkey sees a window of opportunity to advance. that's going to really irritate the united states. but the truth is, america is going to have to negotiate with nations like turkey in order to accomplish what it wants in the world. and that's the bottom line. ah got one of the fastest growing nations in the world. i needed to

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