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i am steve clements and i have a question. how did relations between the united states and turkey fall apart? and then i had to come back together again. let's get to the bottom line. ah. for a lot of years, it seemed like relations between the united states and turkey. just couldn't get any worse, even though they've been close nato allies for decades. they were going in opposite directions, kind of like a divorce, or a train wreck in really slow motion. washington was supporting kurdish fighters in syria, which was a major blow to ankara. and turkey was buying s 400 anti aircraft systems from russia. not something that made washington very happy. it wasn't just a war of words warmer president. donald trump promised to devastate the turkish economy, any sanction turkish officials. the turkish lira is now just worth about a 3rd of what it used to be a few years ago. ouch. but then out of nowhere came afghanistan to breathe,

new life into the turkish us relationship. suddenly, us secretary of state anthony blinking was tweeting remarkable words last month. he said that turkey was, quote, an important nato, an ally, and an invaluable partner in the region. we haven't heard anything like that in a while. and this week, turkish president, reggie pie of everyone was in new york for the un general assembly. and for the opening of a massive turkish skyscraper in midtown manhattan k v center. so where are things headed now? are the 2 countries still on a collision course, or is this the high point of a roller coaster ride? today we're talking with howard ice and start who teaches middle east history with a focus on turkey at saint lawrence university in new york. and got leap delay a researcher on turkish affairs at the german institute for international security affairs. chatham house and oxford university. john, it's great to be with you. howard. let me just put, put this tony blinking tweet up for a moment. and he basically says, i spoke with a turkish foreign minister about joint efforts to ensure

a safe and orderly evacuation from afghanistan, turkey, an important nato ally, and an invaluable partner in the region. look, could this tweet have been sent 6 months ago? yes, i think it could i, i think i think, i mean i think that there's the relationship is in real trouble. that doesn't mean that there's not going to be a relationship going forward, but we're in a process of retooling. i think that what we saw in the the blinking message was, was that, you know, the united states would like to cooperate with turkey and is delighted that there is this place, the location of this place for cooperation. that doesn't take away all the tension points. but it points to the fact that i think the u. s. and her get both coming to a place where they are going to agree that there are areas of cooperation and of

real tension. gallup. you know, i think that howard, i start, sees the less whiplash in this relationship than i do. but, but how do you see it from your perspective? you, you know, this area almost better than anyone. i know. do you feel that air to one is playing his chessboard well right now to say, you know what? you've got a problem and you've been nasty to us, but now we can fix it. and is there a price that everyone is putting on his taking some of the pressure off the us with regard to african refugees and, and other issues with regard to managing afghanistan? well, i think this question also take, go to the ethical pulls that check us relationship because only takes you to relationship turn solutions, who is essentially at the curtain partnership essentially was even by the jury. polled graham because it is very, you know, dimensional. and now the turkey basically used to live at jo, cold, or file amended relationship because the previous, the,

the major tries in touch transmission in recent years has been largely related to the job multiple file to become the major pride in the point we've been inferior both actors look at each other, local partners to the land, carry them. but i think that each other goals as being inimical to their mission incense and even when it comes to target purchase of $400.00 foxes and from the, from russia, the u. s. w t d 's as target stolen it buying and the instrument rather the u. s. t 's did as a manifestation of coca cola. and this is why the quote was so deep, i was so difficult to resolve it. now for a while the church was looking for prizes to remind the us it's important for sometimes circus thought that the you pain 10 started be because in black the turn can lars, the operate as an, as an actor it's position closer to death of nature and that

you and that, that can serve it, it didn't look at this. it has been, it hasn't showed up with it. but in that can it's done. non target thing that, that kind of thing can be such a, you know, a good prices at prices that can bit a new data with this camera. so story cancer as a icebreaker in relationship, but it is unlikely to be in the relationship, but it is unlikely to overcome the nature of the interaction. but of candice, i'm can can show to, you know, to change the clinical innovation to change the language of relationship because let's not forget the blink. and in his confirmation speech referred to target as our so called strategic partners. now the believe quote is our strategic partner invaluable partner in a difficult region. so the language has dramatically changed,

but all the files are still that the s 400 does not result. the difference between us is that the hub bank chase, which is the target 2nd largest bank, is on trial in new york, is still there. so the other puffy, military, and you have more results. so the sources of tension, the social, the cries, are dead. but i think right now the afghanistan can be diffused, the climate that will the student talk to. well, thank you, gallivant. how let me ask you this question and i apologize for mine. i even say in this, in maybe things have moved in a way that i don't know. but one of the questions about countries like turkey or countries like hungry with victor or bon is, do they constitute democracies any more? hungary is a member of the european union. turkey is not, but it's a member of nato, which nonetheless says it shares values and that's a values based as well as

a security alliance. and i think my question is there are, there are more elections coming up in turkey. and i'm watching this hug fest from tony, blinking, asking myself is the next step in invitation to biden's summit of democracies. i'm not going to speak to the baton administrator but i think that your, your point bays is an important issue. turkeys turkey's sort of. so i'm where between democracy or during regime with political scientists referred to it as an electoral authoritarian regime. it doesn't have a free press, it uses the police against political opposition against civil society leaders. it holds people for, for years and years on, on polls charges. and this, this is something that, that doesn't make

a relationship easier. in fairness, the united states has lots of relationships with authoritarian and dick tory picked up here. regimes it's engages with egypt engages with saudi arabia. but it makes it harder to paper over the strategic strategic problems when there's no values shared and it makes it harder to paper over the values issues when those strategic issues are broke. i would, i will argue that the, the upcoming election is important for another reason. it means that it's, it's more likely than not that as we approach the election, the turkish government will increase its anti american rhetoric so. so while the, the talk in english has been very positive, the talk in turkish has been,

well, a advisor to, to the, as an air to one was on television this week. say, talking about the potential for turkish and us troops to, to, to be in a firefight and syria. thank gallup, manage, and i guess in our cart relationship better, you know, is air to one. going to do better or biden. going to do better. you went to some of the touch points of syria. you could add, you know, oil, oil, lease and exploration in territory claimed by cyprus in the greek cypress. when you have issues like the relationship with the kurds. and you know, the s 400 and relationship and hedging with russia, which many would argue as a very clear violation of the agreements with the nato allies about systems that are interchangeable. it can be used to, you know, across all allies. and so i guess my question to you is how, which countries in a better position to manage an alec heart side where's today,

where your friend in tomorrow, where your rival as well as him both have to me an option in the end right now we are not in a resolution period or more, i don't see any quite an instruction summation that you're doing is all any time. but can we basically, can we manage the crisis better? can we compact penalize relationship where we can work together in areas where our kids are not? i'm not work together in areas that doesn't overlap. i think that's the question that can be us right now. i see that the compartment vision element is once again back on the table. as a mention, blackie is one of them at the afghanistan is one of them. but we don't have much more actually in the space because we are running all those the agenda item. and that was one of the few posted agenda item in it. talk about what we are in the

relationship. i think one of the major question would be in the us going as the u. s. is heading towards cloud competition with countries like china. the question would be how target is the nature of the great power competition? because in the, during the cold war era, when the, when the competitive will be a junior and the target perceived a great, they couldn't track from the soviet union. and that was one of the practice. that was the main factor. we started to think alliance with us and to be member in nature. now the target doesn't have the same truck perception as you call the coming great power. actually more than the per 2nd turkey perceived this era to be to providing turkey with minimal paternity. and that when he comes, this is where tricky engages in the so called the jo, poke a balancing act between different centers of power. and i think the total balancing

act between different countries or power is what is going to generate more friction and tension in relationship because the u. s. site will say, well this is again being part of the matrix. so if you are part of the major number made it, you should not be able to that really and get to jump over balancing act between the what are the us, russia and, and china. you try to get things that well, you can actually it points to come to like friends that you know, many other countries. maybe they didn't buy the s 400, but meant all come to engage in a job for the balance between the us and, and the china or russia. i think the biggest, the most important factors that will shape the target and the u. s. relationship as we go forward is not what is going to happen is not what it's going to happen in matter. it is what is going to happen with great power competition. the 1st great

power come division between soviet union and the u. s. game bird to target us alive . and i think the new great power competition between the us and china and the us and russia has potential to undermine this alliance as well. but to contribute it as well too, because it turkey corporate, we've come to russia and compete with them all. good friends, for instance, inferential is out in cocoa, in, in black, the, to church of russian relationship in hand. the competitive that you will see turkey that, that will want to be closer to the west. but other places like in theory, yeah. use in turkey and russia, enabling each other or in, in libya. so i think it is the great power competition that will decide the future turkish information ship and the u. s. a price target my target price target approach to it, but in the middle, it is not the submitted of

a fascinating how let me ask you about this role of, of, of turkey is balance or in bridge does turkey c itself as a big player in helping to create a new reset or a different dimension of relationship probably in the region, or does it double down and say, well, we've supported cutter, we have a real problem with how some of the other suny lead states are operating. and we want to keep this divide. sure, i think it's a great question and i think that it ties nicely to, to glimpse boy which, which i think is really important that i do the way we think about the u. s. turkey relationship has been largely defined by the cold war, which been over now for, for decades. and what we're seeing enlarge part is both countries sort of negotiating what a relative decline in u. s. power is going to look like and turkey's role and i think that's where i

would where i would ship the language a little bit from, from gallium, is that i think the turkey sees itself as a and emerging great power. i think that turkey sees, sees the world as developing into a mode, multi polar system in which turkey can play a very large role, not just in the region, but, but around the world. what i think to go to your question, i think what's going on with in the middle east is a certain d escalation from a pretty ideological conflict. that was, that it emerged between, between state cutler and turkey on one end and the u. a. saudi arabia and egypt on the other i, i think that that is i think that that reflects though the way the syrian conflict resolved itself. i

think that it, it was a matter of not seeing a lot of profit or, or a lot of change developing from that complex. in other words, nobody was particularly profiting from it. and so i think it's within the region we see at the escalation. but i don't think that that changes the, the, or i hear that turkey and saudi arabia both see themselves as emerging powers that, that are going to work outside of the u. s. umbrella. right. that they're, they're not going to be constrained by us interests. thank you. very galle, let me ask you a question. has been out there my mind for a long time. you know, one of the, one of the other touch points that used to define this relationship was this gentleman in pennsylvania, glen and,

and president are the ones obsession with getting them over when the trump administration came in, his national security adviser, mike, when allegedly was interested in finding a way to move mr. go and to allow and tradition of him to turkey, one way or another. and, and you just sort of felt the transactional dimension if that even if half the story were true. and i guess my, my question to you is, you know, i know things went sour with the trumpet administration, but is from your knowledge, a present air to one and wait turkey looks at it at the world. is it that transactional, which weighs a really interesting question about an alliance with another country? if it is that transactional, if it is that dependent on circumstances should the 2nd obvious question should turkey really remain a member in an ally within nato? yes, your cheek remain a member nature i, nephew, right. my within the nato, many countries are engaged in transactional transaction relationship. and so

therefore, this is more about the nation and future of nature than the cherokee nation with nature stuff. i'm just look at the language, right, my friend regarding the nature of god in the us. so therefore, right now, i think the debate that has been generated over turkey can be extended to brother. nature, i'm the future of nature in itself. so that's the 1st one. the 2nd part i didn't read any dory had a very special case and that the qu, the trauma that was generated by cool in china get the federal level at the local level. i think put to issue conflict on a different level. so the big you don't, the story in a county is like part of where the truck element in the relationship has been very much, very much very mix eroded as the u. s. as a level of trust in us are getting very low level of trust injected towards us,

very low. and the decor at time played a major role there. because the best major to all of those to chunk of the people at that level. and looking at him, whether it's genuine or not genuine, that's beside the question, believes that the you have at least knowledge of the, you know, that you could not had a hand in it. and the presence of the one that was one of the major, major toki and told you want. so in this you got, i think this story in it talk unique k, right. but when we go to, but when we go to brother, nature mason ship, i think on the one hand, there is always be a question. there was always revise him to what a thing can you will be transactional in treat the relationship. but the reality is right now we have been for many years. not great. thank you. and then how it's finally there was this meeting just recently between the turkish deputy foreign

minister said dot. now i believe in he met with the secretary of state, wendy sherman. don't know what they talked about, the ultimate with victoria new and, and i guess the question is, you know, i bet they were talking about refugees. and i think what's interesting, when you look at the, around the world about refugees, one side of it. just think about refugees and supporting those refugees. the other side of it is nations. i would say, bela bruce is using refugees as a, as a weapon. if you will, against lithuania, you look at the weapon ization of the refugee area. generally. does turkey look at refugees? as a strategic asset to manage, and that's what it's discussing with the united states, or is it just trying to be, you know, can contribute to the global public good. i think that should look. turkey certainly sees refugees as a strategic asset. less with united states. i think the europe, but at the same time it has,

it has gone far beyond either the united states or any european state in terms of accepting refugees and carrying so. so i think that, you know, the one doesn't preclude the other you know, i, i think that i want to go back a little bit to, to, oh, glimpse david because we found something to finally disagree about. i've agreed with pretty much everything is said. but, but i, i don't think that the, the broad term is perception that the u. s. was behind the who is something miler to the relationship. i think it's actually pretty big and it's, it goes to just how limited the capacity for a broader cooperation is yes. there are these moments where, where turkey in the united states can cooperate. but the, the broader story is that the turkey perceives the united states as,

as most a militia malevolent power power. it has a power that is working to undermine and limit turret. and i mean, it's not, it's not a minor thing, right? that this prosecution of votes my couple of this important. so the civil side leader is based on the, the, the, the united states. and i think that that, that speaks to the way the turkish leadership perceives the united states. right. well, thank you. we'll have to leave it there. a fascinating conversation st lawrence university, associate professor of history howard, ice star and university of oxford research. golly delay, thanks. so much for these interesting thoughts today really appreciate you joining us. great to be with you. so what's the bottom line? the united states is going to have some allies with it 247,

and other allies like turkey. well, they're just going to be there 2 or 3 days a week without the black and white days of the cold war. it's a lot of blurred lines and a lot of shades of gray. if the world is a restaurant alliances would be ala carte, and not prefix, just like china is slowly but surely expanding its influence across asia, whether the u. s. protests or not turkey is doing the same thing across the eastern, mediterranean and across central asia. and if ankara is coordinating with moscow, ironically while still a strong member of nato, then that's just the way partnerships are today. kinda like facebook relationships . complicated. the u. s. still has an unrivalled military and intelligence regime. but turkey sees a window of opportunity to advance. that's going to really irritate the united states, but the truth is, america is going to have to negotiate with nations like turkey in order to accomplish what it wants in the world. and that's the bottom line ah,

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