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news. news. what the germany looks like without angela ma sundays election is turning out to be one of the tightest in decent history. how will the outcome shape your largest economy, the inside story? ah, ah. hello, and welcome to the program. i'm mr. z. a k. now she's been in palette for 16 years, leading one of your most powerful nations, bob chancellor, anglo michael's time and office is coming to an end. voters now have a clear choice. continue along michaels pragmatic policies,

or turn left and give her parties rival the chance to govern. last month devastating floods put the issue of climate change of front and center. nearly 200 people were killed and the was asked as he hit the nation in decades. many versus a germany now must expedited transition to clean energy sooner than its plan. days of 2038. polls indicate the mark of white leaning christian democrats just slightly behind the center left contenders. what's next for germany after michael? well bring it, i guess, very shortly, but fast this update from what the need angle america leave to oppose as chancellor, germany at a time where she is still quite popular among jeremiah. we do say that she keeps the table and prosperous. 15 years tenure, if anything she has seen as a crisis manager, she kept the country afloat during the financial crisis. she did deal with this refugee crisis back in 2015, even though i brought her some criticism,

both at home i, europe, level. and even recently german scientists were behind one of the 1st vaccines when it came to the corona virus fund. them is now her opponent say she wasn't progressive enough. she didn't keep up with her time. someone will tell you that there's going to be in rural areas. i just would tell you that yes, she did bring about some changes when it comes to the climate crisis. but she didn't do enough. typically she didn't put enough effort to cut the carbon emissions. now she wanted to keep away from the campaign, but she had jointed over the past week, simply because the her center right candidate, the candidates of her christian democratic party. i'm, unless it is not doing so well in the polls, even though he narrowed the gap over in the last moments of the election campaign. now her message,

if you one jeremy to remain stable and that's something very important for the german butcher disability of the country. well, if you want that to continue, you need to vote again for the center left. it's really not clear what will happen . ask anyone here and then tell you that the race is wide open, but it could be that after 16 years, the germans would also look for a change up there. i mean, i'll just for inside story i'll, since her rise to power back in 2005 anger mark of leadership and her policies have had a huge impact on germany and the european union. let's take a closer look at her legacy. now, one of her most important domestic policies with her 2011 decision to phase out nuclear energy after japan's fukushima disaster and other landmark policy was opening up germany's borders to nearly 1000000. mostly syrian refugees and 2015. america has also been credited with keeping the e u together during more than

a decade of crises. she also played a critical role in tackling the european and global financial crisis between 20072009. ah. well, let's now bring in our guests. in hamburg, we have mona l omari. she's a rice in an activist focusing on social justice in berlin. we have over a broken political analyst and also professor of political science at stanford university in berlin. and in london, a week, a franca, a senior policy fellow at the european council on foreign relations. i will welcome to you all. thanks so much for joining us today. now as we've been saying anglo michael remains incredibly popular in germany, and if she was around again, she probably when hands down. so i wanted to start with who might succeed heads a see a very close race to close to court at the moment. i think almost within the era margin here and to remind you is this is an election for the bonus struggle,

the parliament not actually the chancellor itself. and i see we are looking at a potential 3 party coalition now for the 1st time in many, many decades. i'll start with you. can you give us a lie of the land? it feels a little bit like the 2 front runners we've been seeing have really been and a competition to prove. who can be more like michael? but it's not only the 2 front runners tried to imitate or to darn from macklin success recipe. it is basically everyone trying to present him or herself as someone who can walk in the footsteps. and if you would ask me to bet, i certainly wouldn't pat at this point because we have so many options and they'll turn it is that it's even possible of that. not the party with the largest number of votes would send the chancellor, but the junior partners will choose who's going to be the next chancellor. indeed, well, we may be waiting for some time as well for that process to take place. now,

one of the interesting things with this campaign was, despite the apparent reluctance of the german electorate to embrace change really we have seen the rise of the green party. i'm curious, what has been driving that? do you think? i think one factor from the ryan the green party, was the rise of the climate change discussion in germany that was pushed to the forefront by and use movements mainly night fridays for future, for instance, which had been stifled by the pandemic. but i think it had been brought back into the foreground by the recent flooding that happened in germany during the summer of this year, which cost many victims. there was another property damage. there was a lot of cough denies. and which nation, for example, from the city would not handle perfectly well. it was something that was somewhat

scandalized in german media. but i think it's those kinds of developments that make the green cards, you know, like an option during the selections. well, one of anglo michael strength that she was seeing is such a strong crisis manager. right. and i see that the man who is nominated by the party that is currently just in front by a few points in the last. paul's finance minister of sholtes. he's been wanting to almost present himself as, as an incumbent, as the less risky choice. now, given all this change and this post michael germany, i imagine there's actually more implications on this for europe in the e. u, than only for germany itself or rica. what is brussels looking for here? yeah, absolutely. i mean the, and the european union and the other european member states definitely watching this election. mostly at the same time, i have to say foreign policy and even european politics wasn't really

a big topic in germany during the election campaign. and i think it's frustrated quite a few of poor observers. i think one of the reasons why that is, is that despite the fact that there are some differences between the parties overall, we don't see a situation like, for example, we may need to see next year in front where you have a really, europe and you critical can you do a pen, i guess the very european candidate in my room hall in, in germany all main parties are broadly speaking, pro european and for you. and so this one, the big topic. nevertheless, there are issues from europe defense and kind of fiscal union reform. that that, that may be approach differently depending on who wins on sunday and we'll finish this one will given michael, seeming popularity. you'd think that her party, the christian democrats would be nominating someone who may be a shoe in for the position. but things, as we've been saying, haven't really gone as planned for, i'm in the ship already. it as

a mona was saying, it really started going wrong with the floods and the response, especially in the area which he's in charge of an unfortunate situation of mr. lash at some while laughing in the background. can you talk us through what happened there? and potentially if there's something deeper going on hand? well, it's hard to say something deeper is going there. but we got used to someone who as he was set before, knows how to set the right tone. mac lobbied for reelections by coining the term, you know, me and this, you know, me like a representation of a conservative attitude. is something you would expect from a governor who's a professional in political leadership. and while the president of state and which is something like a republican king, was giving a speech life in front of

a number of cameras now shed and his all too harsh were sending in the back and cracking jokes. and this is not what you do, even if you are currently not on tv and standing in the back. that representing something like the mood of the moment. and not what people expect in a situation where a lot of them lost family members or lost their homes. was something that stayed in the media for weeks. that shows that there is a lack of states men standard that one would expect from a governor to perform well as we've been saying those floods really put climate change front and center and a number of the campaigns and matter. we were saying the greens we saw the rise of the greens, but that lead really tailed off after a number of scandals including apparent plagiarism on the parts and then no money. now, man, i understand she is still very popular with the youth, but given the relative older age of the german electro. is it her perceived lack of

experience perhaps that's really driven that decrease in popularity. and i'm, i'm also curious, given that climate change was front and center, how did the floods and the response to that not actually give the green party, but if a boost, i think you're posing it. yeah, 2 part question here, and my response to the 1st part would be to maybe cast a look at the or maybe german politics overall. i mean, the fact that there have been these changes. some issue is it's not the 1st time that a german competition with the flag and not just specifically with the green proxy, but also in other parties. we had these issues, these types of instances. and whilst they had been somewhat scandalized at the time, they never kept the respective parties. for example, the, to the tv from being in government at that time. so i

think i'd rather pose the question whether pretending this to be so scanning this is not much rather a device during these campaigning times. and i think another issue and in this set of circumstances will be and i think that brings me to to, to the answer. the 2nd question here is that there is within germany, within recent weeks, there has been a discourse of the so called like the fear of a slide to the nest, or even the extreme this and looking at german history. they have been to me, s p d chancellors in the history of the republic of germany. so this perceived or

this so called slides. the next is not necessarily something that is in my opinion, compatible with reality. but it supply that is being used in order to campaign and i think parties to be seated next to mainly the inexperience of the green party candidate were able to make it appear that the green parties somewhat ideologically connected to the left. maybe you can stream left and therefore has been able to frame them within the narrative. so called slide to the far left, germany, sorry to interrupt you them because i do want to bring or recon here. i can see that you're agreeing and i'm curious about how this then pays out on an e you stage because we're obviously looking at a potential coalition government. there's been a lot of speculation about who might actually constitute that government. and i

mean, sholtes from the social democrats, even though it's the traditionally left policy, is really been trying to portray himself as more of the central character. did you think that all of this might change the way that germany engages with your? yeah, so actually, i'm not really agreeing with mona in the sense that i think that this idea of a possible flight to the left in germany is not completely out of the question. and so far as we have been discussing the possibility or by, you know, not the most likely possibility, but a possibility of having what's called the red green red coalition for the f b, b for the democrats with the green and the link, the stream left, which is holding a kind of single digit numbers, but they could end up in the next coalition government. and not only is it possible, but in fact, recent polls show that the majority of supporters of the greek or a case of 70 percent of the green part of support to actually prefer this coalition to all other issues. so 1st of all, you know, there is,

there is some appetite in some parts of the population or indeed going far more or less. and the thing is, what's interesting in such a radical red, green, red coalition. the one thing where these parties really disagree or will put it this way, where the link is really quite outlier is on foreign and defense policy. because the link is a party that, for example, reject nato wants to either, you know, kind of abolishing a, to complete the wordly for germany, to leave nate who wants to create a new security alliance with russia. so if, if this party would be part of the coalition, that would be quite a big change potentially for germany. and that would be something that i think most european parker and indeed, you know, international allies of germany would be quiet. quite worried about because you don't really know, you know, how much influence this party may actually hop on germany foreign policy. now we should over emphasize neither the likelihood would that kind of impact this small

party might have. but we can't this part to complete this fine and this in of itself actually makes the quite interesting show it. well, i feel like we can't really talk about the broader european situation and foreign policy without really talking about france as a european power. i see both sholpes and i went to paris to meet with french president manuel macklin just a couple of weeks ago or rick, how important is that particular relationship for the german electorate, or do they not really care? well, it is really a pity that we didn't discuss european affairs nor transatlantic relations, the future of european defense. in the end, in the last weeks, it was all about domestic questions of social issues, pension taxation, but not tech station and the sense of what's the future of fiscal union. none of the topics that mike hall was bringing up even before the previous collections to

try to find support from germany. and i was predicting that we will get soon, a strong signal from berlin to support my call. who was such a relief that he won the elections against madam le pen 4 years ago. and now the situation is still kind of similar that germany is in some sort of a wait and see position. and that will really make a difference who is in the, in what form of coalition in germany, in the future. because we saw charlotte sort of flirting with the idea of strengthening the european monetary union with something like a fiscal union. when he coined the term that this is a handful moment when we suddenly allow the european union to get indebted in order to finance the next generation your recovery fund after the pandemic. so that will certainly be an issue with a much more fiscally conservative party, like the liberal party or the christian democratic union that also doesn't really

have an appetite to a centralized, more macroeconomic competences. but one could expect something like this from the social democrats, depending on who will be the actual, your coalition partner. so i want to dig in a little more into the legacy that michael has left here when it comes to some of those policies because it really feels like her background of the scientist really made for more pragmatic policies. almost a kind of attempt to de poto rising policy. i mean, she, as you said, she defended the euro during the greek debt crisis. she supported that pandemic e recovery fund, which was really financed by common borrowing. she also, famously in 2015, kept germany as borders open. mon, i'm curious, how do you think germans regard that decision now? because that obviously came at a very heavy political price and really, essentially also led potentially to the rise of the right cleaning a se. so how the germans reflect upon that decision. now,

i think my response wouldn't lend itself to also draw back for a quick 2nd to something that was said earlier about the left as a party. and i think i would call to question how very next the left still is, especially with some instances off that i'm calling minorities in germany, for example, the trans community, the queer community, bizarre and minorities during the so called refugee crisis was also in favor of limiting the number of refugees that content entered germany. so i would highly call into question how left the left is. and that brings me to the question just now is, i think what happened during the discourse is that macros policies, america, as

a political figure was drawn as much more progressive. maybe then she actually is because yes, she did. or i government did open the board, us doing the refugee, so it co refugee prices. the way people have been treated here does not really speak to any progressive or jeff or critic school type of framing of the situation. as another example would be markets stand on page sex marriage. so i think she has been paying for this much more progressive than she really is. and what managed itself to do that is, this is the circumstance that germany has had a government for one or week. i want to bring you in here on an article is

per get progressive isn't because she obviously did champion same sex marriage, but taking a step back from all of that. she has also been this incredibly, incredibly strong female leader. not only in germany, but on the global stage for the last 16 years. and she's also brought in a number of very powerful women to very high ranking positions within the e u. so erico, let me ask you, then has that shaken things up in brussels? has that changed to the way that women are viewed then? and then the higher echelons of politics, perhaps? i'm not sure. so it's interesting because yes, on the one hand, for 16 years, the most important and arguing the most powerful politician in europe was indeed a woman that was generally very popular everywhere. so that should have some kind of impact the market personally, never really champions any kind of feminist agenda. she's very rarely talked about these issues. there were instances where she was off, you know,

the feel like you're feminist. and she wasn't quite sure whether she could claim this label so, so uncertainty kind of rhetorically. this was a big topic for her. at the same time, yet over the last 16 years we've had, we've had huge ermine female defense, men have stuff on the line now. now i think that some problem on their line, of course, went on to become commission rather than in the, in the european union. so i think all of this has kind of normalized female leadership, which, you know, i think overall is, is good news. but i don't think that merkel really push these issues in particular . and maybe in the last sentence, maybe that's actually quite good because it may help with the normalized thing if you don't over emphasize it. but i know quite a few, you know, feminist activities in germany weren't super happy with, with the fact that she didn't really seem to push this agenda a lot. oh right. you're sitting in balance. so i'm going to give you the last very brief wed here. if you don't mind, obviously germany so far over the last 16 years is really become an economic

success. huge challenges. those still lie head, especially when it comes to as we've been saying, climate change, the green transition, huge infrastructure challenges as well. after 16 years, a relative stability a you never know about what might happen now. well, no, i wouldn't be nervous. depending on no, it doesn't matter who's going to be the success of mac. the country will not be in a situation that would make people nervous. of course it will be a different style, it will be a different performance and the coalition priorities and also different from what be cup. but compared with countries that are hugely polarized or in a situation in which it could lead in a complete opposite direction. like imagine, for example, i'm not in the pan will become president of france next year. then it will be a very different country from what it used to be. so none of this will happen in

germany, and i don't think there's reasons you'll be nervous, although they are very different expectations on whatever side of the political spectrum you look at it. of course progressives would wish mca would have been more progressive, but she wouldn't have been in power was 16 years if she wouldn't have moved the conservative party more to the center. so now we have so many central parties of different colors that india and i'm pretty sure we'll look at something like a stable coalition. she certainly change the physical landscape and she will continue watching the election very closely. indeed, thank you. to all of our get smyrna elementary or at brooklyn, and rica franka. and thank you to for watching. you can see this program again anytime by visiting our website that's out there a dot com and for further discussion do go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash 8 inside story. remember, you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is at a inside story. for me to stop,

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