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ah hi, i'm sammy okay. today on the stream we're going to be focusing on the armed boca who run in nigeria, a members of that group i'll be giving to defect. earlier we spoke to you a dollar, who had a couple of the theories as to why this is happening now. there are 3 main reasons why large numbers of fighters are cleaning themselves in to the general charities. if what are the debt of cash cow before the group sees his debts, the currently dumping him unable to fudge in new direction. so there's

a kind of loss of trust the jungle means then the seeing these opportunities to increase the heat on you're going to want to hear more by means and what that means and solidly the the, i use an increase believe that if the surrender would not be killed all or imprisoned a long time without trial for that's all you can take water. a few of the question we're asking today is, can balkan rom flight is rejoined nigerian society? i know you've got a take on this popping into the comments that you feel and you chief and i do my best to involve your thoughts. your questions for our panelists into today's show. let's meet your panel. hello and welcome back lama. hello, welcome back. booky. so good to see you for our remind our audience who you are and what you do. am the senior analyst at the 20,

strategic for global change and weekly column news with danny trust and julian newspaper article back. i'm booking with might i would if you on what you do my name is bulky, shiny about i am the executive director of your big toes, africa, army human advocate. i guess. let's be very clear about who are we talking about who is defective from bulkhead, ron? first of all, let me start with your take book, who is leaving? who is covering to be reintegrated into nigerian society? be specific. the members of the book is so gentle. group actually leave in the group for many, always been lying curved actually said some of the reasons the family members do who are fully cause clip to those will will also joined the voluntary lee on leaving, but particularly also doing a gift as it relates to the modus operandi, or the approach which,

which the group is actually going into about achieving its mandate. their own leaving lama. he's leaving, i think spiked is, is it extended associates? i think it's really important when we are asking, can they rejoined society, who we are going to be out again back into nigeria society billamore that yeah, and i think this is an important question for me because the narrative has been these fighters, but the facts of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of those effect, you know, and those were defective previously when they have a fight it in book what they was civilians who way i swear by book, what claim established and it's not me kelly fit, and they migrated from that and talent in nigeria and the jer come in and chad to the groups territory. and even in vocal, i'm steady today that are 2 classes of people that are boost. they could be done

that despite that, and that are both a 1000000000 and about when the majority of those who can now civilians who joined in the hope that they would not mix. and that's why there are no weapons, no evidence about what i think what, what, but most of the effective civilians don't by just ok . not yet. can you go? so i'm interested about having a governor of framing these various members associates of book up bulk of our i'm from leaving, but you go for your for fest. no, i was don't going to head toward blood fed in there. i of the average. and i do in of the civilian population. there is no dichotomy when you talk about fight us, call them even do internally. and those who understand the modus operandi of the

movement will know days is different. but generally, it is understood that so long as a member in one way or the other, whether fully conscripted or not, you are you fighter. and those people actually defy defect in one way or the other . my thought here about and j and government is that they've always said how seriously they take the threat of boca how wrong, how much money they will putting into the effort to defeat them. is this a government success book you stop? it does be many times for me when it comes to effort to integrate team members book or i mean to do my job in society in 2016 and then get in government actually did the operations have called me but it was flawed. really complained about the fact that how do you, lee, i believe so called low risk pen turnbook or other members in 2017 there was a d d. i would. that is the mobility issue until sean will be integral shop that

was done in partnership with m demand government also try to do, but the main concern for the job is stuff. how do you differentiate this people? what sort of the integration you're doing that does not involve the community? people do not understand. so a lot of these, but most importantly also is the agenda. prospects have to do b integration program. one thing we cannot forget for me is the fact that women are disproportionately affected when in coffee situation. and that this proportion amity also must be put into place into b integration. and she bought when i was going to do project that, i recall it was lived by a member of a book called them. and she actually caught the, you know, she was ostracized in one of the peacock that i was going to walk. they said they could click on the cord the some be and that is where the really gets people, what have contact with members of both of them. in 2017,

when you say the least caught, but blood, you know, just to explain for the how people attribute gets disproportionately affected in our nissan looking at what is happening recently. just 2 days ago, it report was released by the newly appointed time of the cardboard university that you got to say that women won't be allowed to tell you much. we could meet or walk outside. so they have to the gender perspective in lean completion. i'm one of my julians cannot see the anyway integration program would be flawed. i want to show this if you belong to you, you're very, very familiar with all my laptop minister says bihari government trying to make repentant bulk of rom terrorist more civil. this is looking at the safe cordial program which started in 2016. these are some of the i'm not even sure what's a cool them. these are some people who were associated with bucko rob. and now in

this program, can you explain what this program is about? what it's supposed to do, what are we seeing here, for instance? sure. you. i mean people might want to know that i want to access this particular program. and i did a lot of extensive research in this whole this betty hall that you actually in the picture in the program. so you know what you've done and what this program is supposed to do is to rehabilitate for my associates. a book without bite is people who lived with them, or anyone that was associated with them. and the way they do these is by giving them trauma. come to them, what, you know, training on the literacy skills, but also some of the radical vision. what do you with

religious clarity, who died, who somewhat radical religious ideology that miss, that's luck, doesn't work. belinda. i mean, these things i'm trying to look at the ages of these former associates with buck around and they seem to range in age, but they seem quite young. does this program work? many of them are very young menu. i interviewed just turned 18 by 18 book for even 4 years, whether it was what i saw in the program and after the program can be called. anecdotal evidence that the program does make impacts. but i can be trying typically, i can prove scientifically that it works. but you can see evidence of faxes done. pool a med boys. i mean young men, what will now be got none. the english language. some of them will be happy

in my daddy now and right. and you know, i'm not even speaking english and it's not me. it takes one out of it. i saw manchester united and supported in the program. i mean, i'm not, i think in the program he's making impact on the but trying to approve anything. so i'll just hear a correspond that i, he sighing booking. i want you to listen to this. i 0 correspond and interest. he's been in bono state this past week, we asked him to go out in the pile and asked people what they felt about reintegrating buckle herano for my members, back into nigerian society. he was in my degree, this is what they told him. most of them are not coming out with the weapons here, just so rendering. so where as a weapon, i don't think it's right because we're not sure it's fairly

carefully. and so maybe we don't know if it's a plan to come back into this and you know, take back the ones that i mean homeless the id was, and that's way i think you should do the integrity and some of them actually join without like, without being without your cause and maybe own willing to join you to one thing the order. so if they're really ready to surrender, to change, maybe to go through a process of patients like maybe engage on want to i think is a good thing. ok. i'm hearing empathy there is that true? and i can ask you to come on or nigerian society, what is public opinion? what do you, what are you getting public opinion right now? no, judy about reintegration. for me, the 1st step to our public opinion goes to the advertisement for this program to be

shared by your twitter to be and we call seen want to do less boxes to it. and you are the time to see should be integrated into the society. i one of the comments, if not the 1st comment, said called action into northern nigeria, the other comment said, but i'm getting them off. do you see an idea of what they do as to the thing to be empathy? love being we must not forget is that and they'll be integration program that does not involve the community. and that does not put into consideration, do pull on to push factors that lead a lot of these categories or fights, like we mentioned in there that does not fully to put it into consideration. and then we, we've been wanting for fact, all sorts of the fact that there are appealing ideologies. you know, the fact that the my to social benefit but also push fucked on you know, sort of,

you know, to gaze for the relative position of political. believe us is the perspective that people have that they might not life if this is not put into possibly any being to gratian for me. in one of the community that i was walking in did not, is they believe that. and the woman was, had a contract with a book wide and fighter and guessed, but not the child of that woman should be the bond or might or should never be accepted into the community where people at the end it was actually involved justice. and in that justice, we will look at coupon colombia, you know, and i'll close my thoughts on that, where they made sure that there was a piece agreement actually formed the business for which the integration program was done. and there was a t, l being such that dogs will and good to walk back according to the booster thought,

actually fit for constitutional command responsibility and international must also be respected and those who have less arc lines or did not miss what kind of guy that gives you money to you can then begin to be integrated into the society. how do you expect from one to 50 press in the shop? it gone at the farther and drop them into? this will take the we tough cubby in their model. it is something we want to actually. so that theme of justice is picked up by the executive director. the dean d need diary foundation and she talks about the cost to the community. we've been talking about the cohort. i'm associates, members, form of fighters. but what about the community who has suffered billamore, have listened to indie and then react, respond to her video comment. while some may point to lisa griffin, repentance her interest aside from making them that's a formal with us like quality that makes them want to abandon them and join them

office. i see the remains said need to good to term is booker. i'm investments in the law, so say you want the concept of justice. it trivialize the terrorism. it makes nigerian see like, there was no justice. there was no caution for thinking talking terrorism, but also let's look at the pain of the victims of them. so many villages abandon nigeria. yeah, i mean, i completely agree with the sentiment i don't just is and be christian. i mean, so sure if you like to societies, but there are 2 major issues. number one, just in this case it's not straightforward. and that did not judy as western styles, material system you can hadn't be convict in the book or a member, because they destroyed the villages and the witnesses, but went up to if i didn't them. and we know that the not julian, i just,

this is very weak in godaddy evidence, especially if you want the police to prove that. and what we have seen over the years is spread out by guffman backseat in any of the fighters. we saw especially in k g, where hundreds and hundreds of members were presented. but at the end of the the ability to welcome it. and even those convicted in kind g, y are convicted because of the lead by then they did with where they what they lead to lead crimes like the mechanics will walk. subbing as because instead of being charged as fighters, i'm so a baby sentences today for 5 years or so. and that was because government has to do every then and, and then i did this, this is the need, you know, without, before you could be a jewel, it's people that simply not on the ground. and i tell you, these are what has been involved in somebody who did depending soldiers

that were charged me to fight people. i'm fairly, i choose a book. what i'm on. the 2nd point is very important, which is around this program being community centered as we speak to did the live a livelihoods of people destroyed by book. or i'm still not billed related. hundreds and hundreds of places to design data. still 30000000 people that live government lives and livelihoods out the building book. i don't live in the community, right. what you have got to number. i mean there are several things one needs to do . i don't want to speak now that would come up with 5 things we went is program to fact i'm going to get your talk to,

but not quite yet because on you choose. this is the question that is being asked, what happens? what happened to the victims of bucko, her rom booking? can you just do that briefly? you've been telling us these stories weaving them all the way for discussion anyway . but that simple question. what would you reply? you know the question on his, what opponent, 2 victims off or both of them would be effect on them, cannot be overemphasized to the education of young girls that can no longer go to school. even though schools are open, i need to be asked to go to school. we men will have been sexually abused. men will have been for fully conscripted communities that have be shattered. i will call going to the bama idp, and it was one of the times when the 20 i d p come by and i literally saw children with leave, literally, you know, popular simply because the ongoing and i think this is what my do after trying to

get to, if you do, you need to go well and the money that is being spent on the integration of the ease, more to, more than one needed to be spent in and showing that the victims of both of them actually get the kind of support the need actually get the kind of psychological economy called financial support that they need then what kind of integration is not sensitive to the needs of the people anyway, integration that does not balance. that is, is actually the problem artic, and this is not just about seen. the beauty in schools reopen in school was this is actually newly built in life. we beauty life in was every seen social, economical, political, all of those development that you've done, where you nod and lead to all of these problems that we are talking about in default leave, or that would actually make your life better. yeah, so many young women that are still in adoption to be over

a $101.00 on good night tonight. she woke up feeling, abduction. nasha. we seem in the abduction. anderson got i spinning the abduction. these are the main for the 50 that we know how about the much more than we that we don't know. so why would we want to be spending that much? all the integration, when i do that, me see i what i want to show you this program. i have what you're saying. it's very clear, but i won't show you this program. so this ahmed interest, i told you he was in born state earlier on just a few days ago. and he was filming a program that he's aimed at the kids of poco harass ok. he's his story. the born and raised in both women kim's, these children i experiencing for the 1st time, what it means to be a child. they are part of the 6000 victims and family members. a book,

what i'm fighters, who sit under to night durham security forces in the past few months after a few weeks of psychological support. those helping them surprised by the rapid transformation they see. you see a lot of them coming into the 5th base, looking very distress team came angry. what we coughing gauge meant of because we've been for 3 months sometimes depending on how we see there wasn't ability and all of that. so we offer the engagement. you see a lot of changes, you see them interacting better. you see them taking a leadership role to see them doing much better. that's one programs. a future for youngsters off to boca rom, here is follow. who is suggesting a list that you do list for improving these programs? the book are on, have a look. and this is very and says way it's great explore

society as to consider tree critical factors. the 1st factor is to assure you risk assessment. individual faces generally of which the 2nd importance all communities have acted by duties of faces. in order to be approached, critical session is foxes, off intuition, and then the 3rd factor they often miss and is the need for he tended perspective. consider also the role of women. i love doing you see measures current operations are there was anything missing in the program? he did that before we studied, i show booky avalon of alum and you said you had saif 5 critical things. i'm going to get your top 2 for starters. right. how do we reform the reform program?

the book are yeah, i mean the 1st thing is to make them community center. i wouldn't call it even community based community centered. and when i say community centered, this program has to come to the communities along from the very beginning. i want to show this a booking with the very end of the show point number 2. point 2, point number 2 is attending some level of peace and stability because as we speak vocal i'm, it's not us tense as we speak by now. you didn't government report and the u. n. d, a 172. another 100 and moral. and that's what when junior went into the u. n, and then how do you didn't government? and that led to all the 100000, that most of the children below the age of 5. so it is still going on and you can't . then we have to all right, ok, final thought here you've been weaving your thoughts all the way through. i

understand what you're saying about. it's gotta be community community base justice . i think more i, i hear that message loud and clear job just merely for me to just is just the one that but most importantly we visual that'd gender sensitive. the put into consideration. did this proportion it effect of conflict on women, and that involved them in the entire process of being to gratian bookish on a borrowing. thank you so much, and thank you so much balaam of a coffee. always good to have you on the stream. you give us such insight into some of the difficulties happening in nigeria in society. let me show you where to find them. on twitter. truth, a bookie is here, and this is for lama. and thank you for your question. thank you for your attention . i will see you next time. take everybody as what industry. ah,

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