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a facebook whistleblower has told congress that the social media giant is an urgent threat to its users and should be regulated. frances, how again says the company sides, hong children stoke division and we can democracies, the former employee claims that peg giant is aware of this, but has done nothing about it. her evidence topped off or damaging 24 hours for the firm still reeling after an internal error. took it offline around the world. she can't see reports now from capitol hill. francis hogan presented a damning picture of facebook as a company knowingly disseminating false information that could have side anger and hatred among uses negatively impact, teenager mental health and even stroke ethnic violence. the goal she says, to increase the time uses spend on facebook and instagram, actively engaging with posts and then potentially being exposed to more advertising,

which they would click on. this is how facebook makes its money. i saw facebook repeatedly encounter conflicts between its own profits and our safety. facebook consistently resolve these conflicts in favor of its own prophets. the result has been more to vision, more harm, more lies, more threads, and more combat. in some cases, this is this dangerous online talk has led to actual violence, a himes, and even kills evil. what makes huggins testimony so important is that she has the documentation to back up her claims, tens of thousands of internal pieces of paperwork that reveal facebook's knowledge of the consequences of its actions. allegedly in its pursuit of profit. how can call to more transparency and oversight over the algorithms facebook uses is like the department of transportation, regulating cars. i only watching them dr. young highway. facebook is called how gms testimony, selective and misleading. but both republicans and democrats on the committee expressed skepticism of a company's truthfulness. they knew what they were doing. they knew where the

violations were, and they know they are guilty. mark zuckerberg ought to be looking at himself in the mirror to day. and yet, rather than taking responsibility and shine leadership, mister sandburg is goin sailing. but there is an active debate underwear about how much regulation to impose after all, who is going to decide what is inflammatory speech and what is simply information with a powerful don't want the rest of us to hear a starting point, though, it does seem to be more transparency, transparency about the algorithms facebook is using to make us angry in the 1st place and also more information about all the data facebook is harvesting about all of us. there was actual empirical data supporting all these downstream harms of the way the platform works. on those issues that are really at the integration of both,

you know, the way data is used this, what we call surveillance, capitalism, where the user is tracked everywhere they go, and then that data's mind in use to target them and try to get them to engage by the how can i filed several complaints with the securities exchange commission alleging with our documentation, with facebook as misled its investors and congress in the past. and she's clear it has found it chairman and ceo mugs, zocker burke, who controls facebook's behavior. she had her tenancy al jazeera capitol hill. well, the senate hearing mainly focused on the harm that facebook knew it was inflicting on users within the us. but facebook is the world's most popular social network with 2890000000 active users. when facebook announced their new oversight committee last year, the you and said it must give greater consideration to minority groups, which they say are more likely to be the target of hate speech. in 2018, you and investigators blamed facebook for playing a leading role in possible genocide in me and more human rights groups found altro

nationalist buddhists seized on the platform to inside violence against muslims. this enable the brutal cracked on by security forces on the routing gun minority hate speech has also played a major role in fueling the conflict in ethiopia as t gray region, mainly against to graham's. there have also been concerns over the unchecked spread of misinformation, including from government channels and state media, facebook and change, but is clearly not going to do so on its own. my theory that without action, divisive and extremist behaviors, we see today are only the beginning. what we saw in myanmar and are now seen in ethiopia, are only the opening chapters of a story. so terrifying. no one wants to re the end of it. congress can change the rules that facebook plays by and stop the many harms. it is now causing or for more

of this we can speak the katie harbor. she's a former facebook public policy director and the founder and ceo of anchor change a company focusing on positive civic engagement online. madam, thank you so much for joining us here on al jazeera, it's a pleasure to have you. i met someone who did work for facebook. go, what is your reaction to the testimony of frances, how can they are the things she said, or do they ring true to you? this is one of the most substantial hearings of not the most substantial that i've heard around the issues that are facing tac. francis is one of many integrity professionals that work at facebook at other companies, and in the now in the outside environment, trying to help the media, policy makers, governments and others become smarter on these issues and i think that was absolutely achieved today. i do think that there are, there is a worry that i have about these documents being taken out of context. and i think it's important that we continue to have more hearings like this where we can

continue to bring in experts to talk about these issues. how we draw these lines and what types of new societal norms and regulations are going to be needed and give us a form some kind of idea though of what the lions are the should be drawn. absolutely, and i think one of the toughest tensions that wasn't really talked about today in addition to where faces makes decisions around profit and harm is also the questions around speech and harm. and that has been some of the toughest that i think that the company and i have tried to grapple with over these last couple of years. you take political speech by politicians, for instance. and especially in the u. s. that is a right that is really held sanker since by the violence of january 6 is really a turning point in terms of these platforming platforms to platforming president trump. and the question i have, and that has been, was talked about in the package here in the lead up to it is. what does this look

like around the world? what will companies like facebook commit to doing around the world when it comes to building these integrity mechanisms? and it is really important, given that most of their users are outside the united states, that that is focused on as well. i'm or came out of the hearing is that facebook for its profits before people, but assuming it somehow manages to get over that, do you think that it should be able to self regulate and, and decide what things are published and what are? and because of course, especially around the world, you know, what's controversial for one person is actually an issue that needs to be raised that for another one. and it would give, i guess, an american company or american legislators even more power about the international narrative, the international discourse than it already has. there's no doubt that there's things that facebook itself can do. i'm, they've already shown they could self regulate after the scandals in 20172018. we built these really robust political and add transparency tools that are released

all around the world. and i played a big role in that. those continue to need improvement as well. but they're the companies that company has shown that they're willing to do that, but they can't do it alone. there is a need for more outside guidance in terms of what the guardrail should be for politicians and what they can do and say on the internet. i think there does need to be regulation the transparency angle is really important and how do we help provide data to researchers for instance up understand what's happening on the platform independently of facebook's own research, but to do so in a privacy safe way. i also think that there needs to be discussion around what sort of accountability a c e o. like mark soccer burke should have with his dominant ownership of the share is there is nobody to hold him accountable. if they don't like the decisions that he's making, and i think there needs to be some effort, looked at what that should look like. and what should change. considering that facebook has between 2 and a half 1000000000 to 3000000000 users. i mean,

that's one half the world effectively. can it ever really be fair? can one company that has that much power and that much influence ever really be held accountable and, and really try to represent the world. i think we're trying to determine that answer right now. and i don't know, it is a really a hard thing to try to understand all of the different cultural differences in laws and aspects that this world brings on. and to have one company trying to balance that all because we don't have the same global norms around this. but i also am worried about the potential fragment ization of the internet of each country, having its own rules and laws that actually probably entrenched big players like facebook more rather than some you know, providing the opportunity for newer players on the field to come to come on board, and this is an area where i really think the international community needs to do

more, both in terms of talking about what are the sort sorts of laws and stuff that we should have. but how can we allow different regions and countries maintain their own cultures and their own laws, but also so some global norms that everybody can work off of? yeah, definitely a challenge there. well, i'm sure we'll be talking about the issue again for the moment. katie harvest, former facebook public policy director, and now the ceo of anchor change a company that focuses on positive civic engagement online. madam, thank you. thank you. now the pope has expressed deep sorrow after the release of, of re portion to sexual abuse within the catholic church. in france, nearly 330000 children were victims of abuse over a period of 70 years. and the churches response to this was that the inquiry head has described as a deep and cruel indifference. the head of the french conference of bishops has expressed shame, ask for forgiveness, and promised to act needs. barker, reports,

ah, many children abused by members of the catholic church were not believed or listened to for years. some were even accused of contributing to what had happened to them. among those victims. olivia 7 jak abused by a priest when he was 13. oscar we sit in season and we sit and while yes, the report is an earthquake. he yes it is a hurricane. yes, it says unami, what is she and it has to be as soon army because the day when we see the numbers on it so damning that no one can be in denials, get both within the catholic church and the whole of society. dante, the roman catholic church betrayed the trust of the young and vulnerable on that devastating scale. the conclusion of a 2 and a half year investigation into clerical child abuse carried out by $3000.00 suspected peter files of the french church. on a popular shown from says in the french population. now aged 18 and over 216000

plus or minus $50000.00 was sexually assaulted by clerks priests or nuns, young as mine against fossil hasty and when lay members of the church such as teachers. a catholic schools are included 6 the number of child victims climes to 330000 of the 7 decade periodontal and poor measure. keyed full, a major when the must been the line is until the early 2000 is good. that we bleep total and his even coolant bitterness for years. recent scandals have decimated the church. his credibility at a time of dwindling attendances. last year to cropped french catholic priest, bernard craner, was sentenced to 5 years in jail for abusing scouts in his care several decades ago . the case also led to the resignation of his superior, the archbishop of leon philly. barbara accused of covering up the abuse the scandal him from says the latest to hit the catholic church, wrought by abuse scandals around the world. in june, pope francis said the church abuse crisis was

a world wide catastrophe. this year he issued an extensive provision of church law insisting bishop state were bust action against clerical abuse of the french church said in march, it would propose some form of financial aid to the victims. the campaigners have been left asking how it's possible to put a price on suffering. people can al jazeera shown doors. he is the president of the survivors network of those abused by priests. that's the largest oldest and most active support group for survivors of abuse. he joins us now of escape from johnston in pennsylvania. sir, thank you so much for joining us here at all. now, j 0. the said the news coming out of france is shocking. but perhaps almost not surprising in the sense that it almost there. and you know, it seems it so follow the example that we've seen come out of other countries as well from what you have seen. is there anything that's different about the situation that we've seen emerge in france?

well, hello barbara, thank you for having me on. i'm, the numbers are shocking, but to the survivors, they're not new information. this information is new to the person or some to the world. but keep in mind that church has been in possession of this information for decades. they're just releasing it to the public. ah, they have had this information at their fingertips for quite some time. they should have been acting on this and compensating and caring and making sure that their survivors are healing properly. and in this particular case, in france, so correct me if i'm wrong, but it was actually, it sort of bishops within france that ordered at this kind of, of investigation to come up with concrete figures in so far as, as they can. do you see that in any way is a step in the right direction for the vatican,

the church to take accountability for what's been happening? i think it's a small step in the right direction. but why is the step being taken now? i think it is being being taken now because of the outside pressure of being forced upon them to release this information. again, they have been in possession for this material for quite some time. i believe it is important for secular investigations to go forward. it is nearly impossible for large organizations to police themselves and hold themselves in account for their, their bad actions, especially when it is such a systemic problem as it seems to be within the catholic church. unfortunately, most of the cases now are beyond the stat hutto of limitations for prosecution. but the report still suggests that steps should be taken so that the church should overhaul its internal legal system reform,

its governance re thing training and perhaps hardest of all. but rethink that, the power of priests within the churchill. what do you make of that? and do you get the sense that pope francis in the vatican? oh, will actually take any of that seriously. how many more reports have to come out and how many more times this this question have to be asked and answered the the, the reports are coming out that the actions aren't changing. i would suggest to poke francis and the church hierarchy that they treat their child sex abusers the same as they cheat, treat their clergy that steals it. has been my experience that if i, clergy member or bishop, or cardinal steals from the church, they are immediately prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. why not do that for a clergy member or a lay person, or a nun or

a teacher within the catholic school system? why are they not prosecuting these people immediately? that is the accountability that we're trying to get to. in this particular case, in france, some of the cases they back to the 1950s, but some are actually relatively recent from about 20 years ago. and does the fact that perhaps we're not hearing as many recently point to the fact that the sort of public pressure that we are seeing in the awareness and the fact that these cases are making the headlines. perhaps a changing the behavior of priests within the either the predatory priests within the church. well, let's keep in mind that we have data that suggests that the average age, the child victim will come forward and disclose the abuse is the age of 52 years old. so many of these victims,

the ones that are still in their twenties and thirties are still trying to rec and with what has happened to them. so to say that abuses is happening less than the church because these reports are coming out. i think we'll have to reserve judgment on that answer for a little more time to, to go by and, and based on the data that we know that, that the average age that a victim comes forward isn't until they're 52 years old. shonda or t president of the survivors network or of those abused by pre speaking to us from johnstone pennsylvania ser. thank you for sharing your experiences with us. thank you. thank you so much for having me still to come here on the news. our a 2nd that chinese property company, the phone says that laden ever grand hopes to dodge collapse. venezuela reopens it's 2200 kilometer border with colombia after more than 2 years. and in sport

concerns for the welfare of the world's top footballers. if compulsory brakes are not introduced in the game, ah, the secretary of state, anthony lincoln, is in france to patch up ties after weeks of strained relations or were cancelled submarine deal. he's met the french president, them on one micron and the foreign minister jenny, lately on both sides of agree that there is an opportunity to deepen cooperation. france expressed anger last month when australia tore up a multi $1000000000.00 defense. thiel, replacing it with a contract with the us and the u. k. or french president at mac, kron said he hopes he can discuss the submarine issue with the u. s. based on the facts, and i think we will kill to, to discuss together mid october. we will catch up during the 220 and i think it

will be the right occasion to see how we can round gauge very concretely. my point is not honestly, i don't. it's not an issue about words or perception issue about facts and what to do together. natasha butler has worn this now from bordeaux and slovenia. my cross said that he thought this dinner was a good opportunity for you. leaders to discuss the use position on the international stager. macro said as far as he was concerned, he believes that you should work very closely with its historic allies, but it should remain more self reliant, more sovereign in areas such as technology, the economy and defense. he said, now of course, this is the 1st time that the 2070 you leaders come together since the diplomatic route erupted between paris and washington over the orchestra that deal that was

signed by the u. s. u. k. and australia seemingly without any consultation from our european allies. certainly not with the french, the french re offset by that. and earlier today, the french president had a meeting with your secretary of state antonio lincoln, in paris. the 2 are saying that they will work together to corporate in the future on, in certain areas. certainly the us trying to rebuild trust with the french president . the u. k. has sent its 1st delegation to meet with the taliban in cobbles since the groups takeover of afghanistan. simon gas that you case special representative for of galveston held the talks with the taliban deputy prime minister mor labrador . a yuki government spokesman says the envoy, discuss how brittan could help afghanistan addressed the humanitarian crisis, and raised the treatment of minorities and women. stephanie decker has more from cobble on what this meeting means. it's certainly in line with what we've been

hearing from, particularly the british foreign secretary dominic robin. he was in carter in doha, just a couple of weeks ago saying that they weren't going to recognize the taliban yet. but that dialogue was important. that this is what we're seeing now. certainly it is a significant visit. there is a dialogue. there is an open line of communication. and i think this is what the international community is doing. it's using this fact of international recognition of the taliban as the, the legal official governing body of this country to try and put pressure on the group to adhere to certain a certain norms that they want to see as pick their, the rights of minorities, the rights of girls and women to go to school to work, to stick to the agreement in the sense of, you know, making sure this is another thing they discussed today that afghanistan doesn't become what they call a safe haven for terrorists. so these are things that continually being discussed. i think this is what a lot of foreign leaders have been saying and using is pressure on them with this legitimacy with sort of recognizing as a government to try and put pressure on them to adapt to certain things. we are at

a time of course when the taliban is seeking that international legitimacy, they need the millions and millions of dollars in funds to help get this country forward at a time when you know the winter is looming and we've got an economic dire situation . people have no money, there's drought, there's famine and all these kinds of things. so what you're seeing is a political dance, if you will, so to speak. i don't think it means or any closer to officially recognizing them as the government. but a dialogue is in place and they also mentioned how the u. k. could help the humanitarian situation. that is something that still goes on when rely. ssl is claimed responsibility for sunday's blast outside a mosque in the african capital which killed 13 people. the taliban says it destroyed an iso cell in the north of couple hours after the explosion, which was the largest attack since the u. s. troops fold. i saw in afghanistan, previously claimed responsibility for a suicide attack at campbells airport. back in august, which killed about a $170.00 afghan civilians and 13 us soldiers.

a 2nd, the chinese property developer has defaulted on a payment. as concern grows about the debt to lead and sector, fantasia whole beings was due to pay $205000000.00 to its bondholders on monday. investors are already worried that chinese real estate giant ever grand might collapse. roku bride reports from hong kong in recent weeks at the grand has been selling off assets to meet its debts, but it's still been missing. we payment deadlines. now analysts are predicting it may have to sell off part of its property management unit to a hong kong based real estate company to raise billions of dollars more as ever grand problems have snowballed. it shares have lost more than 80 percent in value this year. it has well over a 1000 property developments across china, putting many homeowners at risk of losing their investments. founded in the mid

ninety's ever grant has grown quickly into a conglomerate, not only involved in real estate, but with interests in sectors, from personal finance, to food and drink and electric cars. many y'all in even owning one of china's most important football clubs. and there are growing fears about the possible contagion effect for other large property developers because he ever grand saga has been dragging on for some time. the air poverty market had really come to a stand still and, and pot buddies, price as a fully given ever grand size and reach across the chinese economy. there's real concern about the fall out if it fails, or even if it can be allowed to fail by the central government, especially in a country where maintaining social stability is so important. in the southern chinese city of shane gen worried investors have laid siege to the companies

offices, return our money chances protesters. it's widely believed the government has been prodding state back entities to buy assets from have a grand to prop it up with the priority being to settled debts at home 1st ever ran has a heavy exposure to the overseas investors upon market. and then i think they're the, the line together pain is selling more assets will give ever grand another rest bite, but the billions of dollars of debt it will still carry forward makes its whole future an uncertain. rob mcbride, al jazeera hong kong. this is the news hour for london still ahead. the son of the late philippine leader ferdinand michaelson now says he will run for president fear rising complex systems and climate modeling. when 3 physicists a nobel prize and in sports, remembering

a fallen runner minute silence is how fun ultramarathon in morocco after the death of one of the competitors. ah, hello again. this been a huge amount of rain in the north west of italy, flooding, resulting pm mountain and then luxurious northwest. really running off the mountains. but it's also fallen lower level. and the cloud the brought it. this stuff here has moved on. there is some moving to, this is just a very active area than beyond that you got what looks more or tom over the british isles. but if you're down in spain, the porch go, well enjoy. the wall is still there. when the twenty's not the thirty's, but it starts the settled weather in eastern europe. temps resent the teens now. but again settled, weather was sunshine in the sky, so that a focus them. although there are going to be warnings, moving slowly out of its lean towards the balkans at the moment on wednesday is

still this northwestern part of it gets at risk of fear. the flooding orange is showing itself on his way to greece. his whole area has got a potential to provide more flooding and slow revolving movement. it does leave the north of italy rather dry. you'll be pleased to see on thursday and on friday, and they will tell no flow. well, that's limited to ireland and scotland, and it's drawing a very warm southerly flow ahead of it, which extends all the across to scandinavia, temperatures on that high. but when the rain is falling, it's still about 5 degrees above average, which is good, but glasgow. ah, when afghan filmmaker has san for silly catches the taliban attention, a bounty on his head forces him to flee with his family, desperately seeking sanctuary. they journey across continents chronicling their

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