volcanoes, that's just the official which has opened up here. and as we head down the hill side, that's when you start to see all these houses and structures all in the path of that flow of lava which we've illustrated in yellow there. and then it continues on down towards the beach, playa del perdido, where of course, all that oliver is hitting the water. and now actually creating a new part of the la palmer coastline. you know something to think about as we soon back out again, that yellow line that flow of the lava from the volcano down to the coast is only about 10 kilometers. and remember the flow of lava the speed is anything between 30700 meters an hour at a temperature of over a 1000 degrees celsius. ah. and let's take you through some of the headlines now. polls of closed across iraq

and a parliamentary election that looks to have a low turnout. the election was brought forward in response to mass anti government protests. the head of iraq's electoral commission is promising of fair election outcome. come off on the yeoman asylum crash over to let you know. we have been open and honest with the public and counting the boats manually in line with the law. and we've been transparent and all aspects of the electoral process. all the measures have been taken. there is evidence for any fair mind person about the management of the electoral process. to declare the final results of the declaration of results will take place within the next few hours. the next 24 hours representatives of the taliban say they've wrapped up what they're calling positive talks with the u. s. in cutoff. the now sitting down with a delegation from the european union dash of a name has more americans at this point, are offering any details as the talks conclude though i expect they will, ah, in the coming hours, if not tomorrow, but we are from the acting for foreign minister and the information ministry in

afghanistan getting what they describe as a positive news, which is by their characterization, the to day meetings. the 1st time meetings were quote positive and that they hope it pays the way for recognition of the afghan government. at least 6 people have been killed by a cobble in yemen. port city of aidan, the governor and the environment of stuff both survived with loss, which happened as their convoy was passing protests to taking place in the polish capital against a controversial court ruling says you institutions cannot interfere with the national judiciary. it's raised questions about poland future in the block. those are headlines. the news continues here now to sierra off the inside story. stay with us. ah,

this is noel. peace prize has been awarded the 2 journalists, a clear message, that press freedom is crucial for peace and democracy. but with journalists increasingly being targeted around the world, how do we protect press freedom? this is inside story. ah, ah, hello, welcome to the program. i'm adrian said again, many governments have been cracking down on journalists and blocking the flow of information. hundreds of journalists around the world have either been jailed or killed because of their work. but the norwegian nobel committee has just sent

a strong message to those, fighting for the freedom of expression. it's awarded this year's nobel peace prize to journalists, maria ressa, the philippines. and dmitri bought it off of russia. russia is the co founder of the rapport. news outlet and was recognized the her coverage of president rodrigo to today's controversial campaign against drugs. molotov is the editor in chief of the russian newspaper, the boy gazette up at a critic of the kremlin. both journalists have been threatened by their governments in order to silence their publications. it's never been as hard to be a journalist as they say. this is my 3rd year in the checklist. and imagining in the philippine government fire and arrest warrants against me in less than 2 years and never did do anything like that. and i guess the, well, if there is just it is an enter the die us here, the pm here. ah, you put of course this awarded for anna pollock of sky eureka cook in order eager

domco as does yo but rover star mark aloft natasha as to moreover, our foreign colleagues who gave their lives to the profession. i am not the right beneficiary of this prizing. would you mind if i could go, you know, since the nobel peace prize is not awarded post mortem? i believe the invest away for anna to receive this award through other hands. it is my assumption or reporters without borders says the situation for press freedom is very serious and 73 percent of the 180 countries that surveyed the group says there's been a dramatic deterioration in access to information. while the pandemic has been used as an excuse to block journalists reporting in the field, norway ranks 1st on the world wide press freedom index while china took manisha on north korea and eritrea are at the bottom. and the number of jailed media workers hit a new high last year with at least 270 for journalists in prison around the world. ah. so let's bring it our panel. our 1st guest is this

year's nobel peace prize recipient journalist maria dresser, the seo and executive editor of rapp. lassie joins us from manila. from paris, were joined by krist off the law secretary general of reporters without borders and from amman dowd coo tub. a journalist, board member at the international press institute, a warm welcome to you all, maria. we've got to start with you. of course. congratulations. again. you have been and continue to be an inspiration to so many people around the world and to us . your colleagues in the world of journalism, now you've had some time to reflect now that the news is i hope, beginning to sink in. how do you feel? are you going to be able to travel to accept your reward? now hey, think i guess that look like i am so thankful that the nobel for maybe really a spot bladed, what journalists around the world are going to chris staff knows more than anyone, any. we've gone through many things together and bowed. also with id,

i also said on the boy with them, it's just been an extremely difficult time and, and i, i hope that that this will give us all some less. i certainly hope to feel it in the philippines by 1st being allowed to travel as low that sat that way. i'll cooney your lawyer said that she sacrifice her own freedom for the rights of journalists all over the world. and i am grateful to the nobel committee for shining a light on her incredible courage. i hope the philippine authorities will now stop persecuting her and other journalists and that this prize helps to protect the press around the world. is this work, or maria going to make your work any easier? are you good, a feel safer or or not what you think that it, that by shining a spotlight even more upon your work it's, it's actually made your life more dangerous. you know, i've gone through this already. adrian. i mean, in 2018 in december when time magazine named me as one of the persons of the year

looked shamarka shoji had just happened. right. shocked. all journalists around the world. this could happen. and at that one time didn't tell me that i was one of the persons of the year when i saw it on announce i had a like, i felt like i got punched in my stomach because i thought that my life was going to get worse. that i would become targeted even more. and yet what it showed me is that these kinds of instances when there is a brilliant spotlight that they are actually they form a shield. and it allows you to do much more. it allows you to speak much more and what i learned in all of this is that when you have a little bit of that spotlight, just like you know, with amal, for example, i feel like we unwrapped or have a little flashlight, a mile has league lights, the no bell has like, you know, like a global life. so i hope that, you know, not only will it make it easier for me personally and for wrap to do our jobs even

better than we've done before, but also to help other journalists in similar situations. certainly, that's also, i hope, what happens to the end in russia, i wanted to ask you about about the, about the philippines in particular will, will this award impact upon the lives of your colleagues there? will it, will it change? and if you anything for them make that make their professional lives easier. it certainly coming at the right time. it is the tail end of a 6 year term of president to character were walking into elections. our last statistical survey have shown that filipinos feel less afraid to speak. you know, this has been, our biggest problem is that we live in an environment of violence and fear. while that fear is lifting and we're walking into elections. hopefully, a time when we will see philip more filipinos exercising their rates,

and their voices has happened a time. any time recently where you felt that this, this just isn't worth it, it's not worth the risk to, to my own personal safety. no, it isn't that crazy. i mean part of it is because this is my 35th year. as a journalist, you heard me say it right. and i, i guess at the beginning when the philippine government attacked me and rattler, i was like, this is ridiculous. and you just took the step forward and every time it i felt like alice in wonderland falling into the rabbit hole i was i was in disbelief when i was arrested in, in, in february of 2019, i was shocked. like these cases should never even have made it to court. but what i wound up doing is i realized we live in a different world and that the law can be bent to the point that it's broke. and so i just, i just held the line. so no, i think the time when you, when you do your job,

best is when you are stressed when you are stretched. and when you find out, will you leon? holding the line. there it is. again, that's what it's all about. christoph autocratic leaders aren't going to change their behavior simply because 2 of their antagonists have been recognized. so publicly about, apart from maria, was talking about shining a light on the issue of press freedom. the dangers facing journalists around the world. is this really going to make any difference to those who are facing harassment, intimidation, threats, and violence in the course of the every day at work. and it will not make everything easy, but it should make things easier for sure. but i, i want to thank you, but you need you to really congratulate and thank a maria for not only for the nobel prize, and she's really well deserved. and she's a very good choice, but also for all the work she's done for years. as she mentioned 35 years,

but as a journalist, as a press freedom fighter, as a press for the activists and or so as somebody who describes perfectly what happens with the information cows, the social networks is a destruction of all writing on potentially democracies. on the fact that we have 22 addresses, i get back to your question let's have a look. even the kremlin published a positive press release about independent journalist would of consider that it could happen. so it's really obvious that such a price as such as simply but we're that it can help to, to, to promote the goes of independent john that is important to journalism in front of despotic regimes or so in front of all those who we can generate is human and democracy, including maybe digital platforms and social networks. a crystal here,

i am a journalist interviewing 3 other journalists. is there any, is there anything you'd like to ask maria about her? when right now? i was not in the spirit of it. you don't even know. yeah, that's actually what i can express, but i hope that we've been working together as, as you mentioned on a many shoes, especially regarding the information cows. maria is a key actor of the initiative and information democracy. we try to get there are to impose democratic safeguards in the digital space and i d p o that will continue to work with maya because what she, she has such an impact on the i think that what she's done until now, which is already incredible, is just the beginning of something bigger. and so, and i know now yeah, well, i think so, and i know that she will use this price that it will not be on your recognition.

but something that we, she will use to have a leverage effect of a better information ecosystem. a bit of freedom fortunate is a bit to safety for john that he's at the, to write his rock at at d n. a better, right? to reliable information for everybody, because this is a right for all citizens on human beings. that would why is this a war so important? what message was the nobel committee sending with this award? and does it matter? well, the message is sending is that there is a clear relationship between peace and good journalism and professional journalism . you know, our colleagues who are both colleagues with us and the international breast institute are people who are seeking truth to power. and when you speak truth, the power, you're basically exposing the life of dictators and journalism. one is done right

on, is that professionally, as we've seen in our college, it can be a very strong tool for peace. so this is a piece price, but it shows that the teachers are, you know, the opposite of these and the journalism and truth in journalism. professional journalism is what is the antidote for the lots of leaders who are using the power. there are at present or dictators, megalomania leaders who are telling lies to their people. so a speaking truth to power and i think they're well deserved, and it's a very strong message for peace. and what about journalists who find themselves currently imprisoned because of their work, particularly in the arab world? what message does this war send to regimes who routinely imprison journalist? it's a powerful message. you know, we had the vendor and documents the other day and we had a hard time publishing it in our own country because of the repression of

governments. and this kind of friday gives a lot of strength and courage to people who are willing to take risks and go out and tell the truth though it's a fabulous day price for the. busy it was, is there, but it's also a message to all journalist and all leaders and government officials that they are going to be in big trouble if they continue to repress the media. now, one price is not going to change things, but i think it's a strong message. maria, where does journalism stand? in the link between peace and truth and freedom of expression, given the disinformation threatens piece. what's our role as, as journalists with regards to, to this information? so the crazy part is, this is something i've been saying for 5 years. right in 2016. i demanded, rattler demanded accountability from an end to impunity from president to chair as

a drug war. and mark sucker burge facebook. and this is the biggest problem i think you talked about this link right? the distribution platforms for news today is no longer in the hands of journalists . we lost our di keeping pouch technology technology platforms. now distribute the news and the biggest problem is a platform like facebook, the world's largest distributor for news globally, actually prioritizes the spread of lies, least with anger and hate. it spreads it faster and further than facts. so you can say that the platforms that distribute the social media platforms, or distribute news are biased against facts and they're biased against journals. what happens to a world without facts? you don't have a shared reality. it's like a company, right? and that's exactly what we have right now. when facts and lies are, are identical when algorithms distribute the lies further and faster. here's the

last part. there are met narratives. how we're a geopolitical power or seeding met narratives in our information ecosystem. and those meta narratives gain change the way people think, what they think and how they behave. so for example, up in january 6 in the united states like this is findings by a, by a group of academics and the u. s. what they found is that the better narrative for stop the seal that led to the capitol hill violence was seated a year earlier on russia today an r t, and then picked up by steve bowden on you tube, spread in, in closed groups, then picked up by socks, tucker carlson, and then finally she went on and then it came top down from president trump. it's the same thing that is happened in the philippines in terms of the matter narrative of journalistic was criminal. this is the world we live in today. are shared

reality is torn apart, and we're off in a matrix type world, what the journalists do in best. we have to keep doing our jobs even as we demand accountability from these platforms. christopher, i do shit. i mean, obviously if you share that, that concern about as not just also it's not just authoritarian regimes. here we're talking about non state actors as well, who muddy the waters and spread disinformation and, and, and propaganda. i mean that, that is a serious threat, isn't it? to, to peace and freedom of expression. yes, because and jeannette is, it is about facts. i mean, johnny's the mercy of the name. and when you are facts, you may disagree. and of course, a fax will never abolish disagreements. but at least you can agree on the disagreements you can told when you lose the notion of facts when just the

you just don't space the way it is organized, amplifies just pure patient. just a amplifies lies amplifies just an earth flow suits on a speech. it destroys concord. remorse can need to worse we need, we know from these treat that some media. i know genetic media media in the past the could just lead to worse in case a. there's a, are just spread propaganda or, or, or, or lies, or, or a speech and we heart and it's such a period where really we have to find ways to secure a digital space where we can have a peaceful, public debate and generating as a very important contribution to walk through this diet. ok, i'll come to you just

a 2nd. the 1st time it just throw that back to maria. how. how do we, how do we do that though? how do we ensure this, this free exchange of ideas, this freedom of expression, but sticking to the facts, not spreading, this information is embodied and into law around the world. yeah, i think the 1st is that the old power government states at le, let me, let me say and said this way. the biggest crisis were facing was actually stated by a biologist. an american biologist eel wilson said that we're facing paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions, and godlike technology. the technology has been allowed to run rampant. the institutions are just catching up. you're seeing what the facebook whistleblower francis hogan had told to the u. s. senate committee, a lot on chip last week. and then the last part is this godlike technology. so i

think the 1st step is regulations. right? and they, the platforms do say they want regulations. the state have got to go that at which state are you going to want to have regulation? this is where i think christoph and the forum and information and democracy is moving ahead to look for multilateral solutions. we have to look at this time period and very similar to what happened post hiroshima after world war 2. when the world looked, looked in shock at what humanity had done to itself. they all came together. and, and what happened? you had bretton woods you had made. oh, you had the universal declaration of human rights and you had the un. this is another one of those moments. and i think, you know, the, the nobel committee actually showed you how important information is our information ecosystem has had an atom bomb explode, and it is insidiously contained, insidiously manipulate us. this isn't gonna take one nation or one company part of

our problems in the philippines. these legal cases were enabled by the information operations on social media that those algorithms empowered. right? so we can't have integrity of elections in our may 2022 presidential elections. unless the platforms voluntarily allow facts to surface. or gar grills or put around tech told, are we at a pivotal moment? where do you see the, the threats not just a mock proceed to democracy to day but, but to, to peace and freedom of expression. when we are at a very important point because their social media is gone crazy and. ready everybody else has access to information and i think we can differentiate between like in truth and forget friendship between fake news and real nose. and if we can show that journalism does make a difference,

that i think we will all be lost and will not be a few. but all of us will be lost because that out for those who are on have the money held, the guns and who controls and many errors will determine our future. and i hope it is a journey point towards good journalism. good, honest journalism and the truth because the truth is, the antidote of a lot of the details. there's around the world, maria a few days ago on, on it's i saw a we were talking about the facebook whistleblower who gave testimony or last week in a washington post opinion piece. neither younger which says that while the award your award is a victory for free expression and a reminder of the critical role of the 4th state and the role that it plays and upholding democracy. it's also a huge blow to facebook, which you've described as tainting the entire public sphere by allowing lies to get on the the same playing field. as fact is, is your reward a blow to facebook? i would say to lore the social media platforms to these american companies that

have failed to guard the public sphere loc. it's, it's ok, you can take away the gatekeeping powers from journalists. you can take the money. that's the other part we haven't talked to. all right, advertising for news organizations have collapse on the very and have gone to the very same platforms that are used to attack us. but you cannot abdicate responsibility for the public sphere. ok. we're frenemy facebook and i, because i do think they're part of the future and they should stop dragging their heels. they should embrace that, they must differentiate between fact and fiction and change those algorithms. crystal, you agree with up? sure. and we, and i think democratic institutions, democratic decision makers, i have to take the risk and see what it is. we cannot accept any longer. that

digital platforms just passed loose and i took the norms of the digital space without any democratic control. the question is now how which type of responsibilities until he's exactly what we were a working group as a, from an information democracy, co chaired by mafia on maggie at the shack. it issue 250 very concrete recommendations. now we have to implement it. ok. i'm afraid we're out of time. many. thanks indeed to all of you, maria. congratulations. once again, i christoph to law and donald cartoon, but thank you for being with us. as always. thank you for watching the program. don't forget you can see it again. at any time, but just by going to the website, i'll just hear a dot com for further discussion. jonas, that our facebook page, you'll find that at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. and you can join the conversation on twitter handle at ha, inside story from me,

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