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ah, protested incident demanding the resignation of the interim government divisions of widening within the military and civilian leaders. so could this effect the transition into democratic rule? and what's the way out of this crisis? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. today with me, pete, adobe sudan has been led by a government made up of both civilian and military leaders for more than 2 years now. but tension has risen between those in charge of steering the country towards

elections. andre 2019 power sharing deal that involves the forces of freedom and change a civilian coalition which lead the protest against the long time leader. oh my albert shia. now a faction of that group is demanding a bigger representation in the transitional government. it supports his health, antique government protest on saturday, while those who back the military of called on the generals to take control of the country, and thousands are holding a sitting in front of the presidential palace in cartoon, sedans, prime minister, has won his nation, is facing its worst political crisis in recent years about them, i would not be exaggerating. if i said this political crisis is the worst and most dangerous crisis that threatens the transition and even threatens our entire country and warns of a terrible evil. this is due to the deep splits amongst civilians and among the military as well as between the civilians and the military. okay, we'll get to

a guest and just a moment 1st. hey, bill morgan, in cartoon sets up our discussion the system in front of the presidential policy capital is now a, with processes demanding prime minister, the dissolved executive cabinet. and quote, one that they say should be more preventative. of those who took part in the revolution in december 2018. now thousands gathered in front of the presidential policy and the capital. but today, a few 100 of those processes that you can see went up to the prime minister's office as an emergency cabinet meeting was held to try to force him into pressure on him to dissolve that cabinet that he's meeting with. know those who call for the sit and the 4 tests are the freedom and chase coalition, but that's a subset of the mainstream for listen, that led protests against the former president. tom will be here. those new coalition, the new for freedom and change, say that they're not presented and the government, despite the fact that they took part in the revolution. now the issue for

presentation is not just an issue here in the ease their processes who been blocking the board for more than a month, saying that the peace agreement that was signed in october last year in the south, me skeptical juba, is not representative and demanding the government, council and negotiations for a peace agreement that has something to do with don as a country with many estimate that these many tribes and many coalitions, many of them had taken part in december 28 and revolution. but many who say that they're not represented, and that in bisco and transitional government, prime minister, the dog has described the current crisis as the more dangerous for dance competition and to the country and has called on all sides for dialogue. but so far, that is yet to happen. human morgan harpoon for inside story. well tensions between the military and civilian sides of saddam's government, they have increased since last month attempted coup. the military leaders have been demanding reforms to the forces of freedom and change coalition. they also called

for the replacement of the cabinet support for the transitional government has dropped recent months after its slashed fuel subsidies and then inflation sword. while those who back the civilian leadership have accused the armed forces of wanting to take back control. the ok, let's bring in our guests today. joining us from khartoum is mubarak ardal, chair of the political bureau for the democratic alliance for social justice. here in doha, we have while lead my debo president of the sudan policy for him. and also in cartoon, had george cooker a member of the get a finance, a non violent resistance movement. and also he's an award winning film. make a gentleman, a warm welcome to you all my back out. all in cartoon, coming to 1st mister ham dock is describing what's going on in sudan as one of the worst crises they've had in years. but is he part of the problem? not part of the solution that me grids healed over guest with the

lead on mr. hedge who would lead to those them on the vest on all the restaurants are the nissan movement of so don for the mcclintic transformation on 4 out of allusion. actually the problem here in sudan is one of the big problems we are facing. we describe it as it is easy to be solved and easy to be addressed. the people can sit in together. the parties to the conflict, especially the, the people who hi ducked, the government of the revolution. whom adam now on the screen, decking the government from the support of counsel to the console of ministers onto the regions. they have to sit and discuss with others.

to expand the butts though some of the government to billing us for the government to expand about special socially and politically in order to avoid the country from going into dark. narrow doug, and just let me pause you there and put that point to where lead my debo here in doha will easement ego if the country is to expand politically, if that's a solution, that means getting more people involved in a process. but at the moment, we understand the military is not united, the civilian administration is not united. so with that as a back story, how did you bring more people in to the process? i can understand the sense of restoration of the sudanese people with the forces of freedom and g at the in the at vision. because in a way they have been manipulating the assembly,

the center of kansas city of. however, i can understand how dissolving the government can help to resolve the situation. because if there is any fear, is there any at all or of a suffering carson at the prime minister's office? ah, when we speak about expanded or being more inclusive to representatives? i think we should think about ways by which we can make the process of negotiation with the forces of freedom and the more democratic and more inclusive with that can be that can be accused my getting engaged in deliberative sessions. dad put the higher the strategic objective into science that the highest quality objective is

ensuring that this transition is successful. because otherwise, if it's not successful, we are going to get into our going to get back into areas of the $3230.00. okay. and when, when, when we speak about funding, the government be more inclusive, we have to speak about the legislative body. we have to speak about the commissions . we have to speak about the sector security for the sake of reform. we cannot simply speak about the prime minister's office because all in all there are at least point is that we can all be included in the, in the counsel of the prime minister's office. but we can't, we can't get included in other forms of the government. ok had to do to come in cartoon as well. has judge the people you speak for and the people you speak to how unified are they?

next, let's talk about the urgency of the moment. right now we're talking because there's something very urgent. there's protests, there is a sit in right now in the street that does not represent the illusion that does not look like anything that we were in there of illusion when the youth goes in to sit in and not welcome there because it's a sit in the very obvious, orchestrated by some rebel groups, some national security officers. it's just a really weird looking sit in where there's pens. there's being delivered to something that is never looked like a revolution and it's driving it front of the palace, a place that we could never reach. so this is a city that definitely is okayed by military, by behind by committee. and this is our problem, the real problem and what we, as your vision a look look at is that we see this as handing over power. and to the military. i revolution was against 2 things against islamic dictatorship that was running. and

the military was administered. status and so now the case and they're out of the picture. but the military was supposed to hand over the chairmanship to the civilians very soon. and now with this timely fits in with this time the attack on the government. it's a wave for not handing over to, to 1000000000. so what we're out in the street is not to stop democratic and more people getting to a more diverse people in the government and all that, it is actually to stop the military day from taking power. so when people are going out on the 21st, it is to stop people from giving overpowers to stop them. i've got to stop god administer economy. and to stop me. now we and all these people have people into government. i'm actually really disappointed by doing why considered a friend and a comrade in their illusion. and out of everybody, he very, he's been very close to the street as me baffling to me how he thinks. although he

is in government really high position in government. and how does he think that he needs to change? and mrs. the right time, i feel like there's not the right time for what he's doing and it's not the right way to attack and change. government. government needs to be changed from inside that he is inside by to hand over the government to military rule and go back to dictatorship. isn't surprising and it is exactly what we're fighting. fighting the military from going back. okay. libra, dolder in costume as well. i'm assuming that you want, or you need to have good relations with the military. but there are people looking in on your country saying the military will never relinquish what they've got at the moment. because they're worried that at some point they will be held accountable. and let me just try to remind our college card dude, not we are coming from different background. you don't. okay. all right, can i just thought for a 2nd it might show program. could you just answer the question please?

that of listen. and if you don't need to describe them or to give them tickets, so that's a bit of an ocean artist. they are coming from different background that are coming from different area. and they have on demand and we are in see the more classic era everyone will address his issues. so you don't need to say that one group, that part of the piece, deep deep here. but this agreement defined, they come here. and part of the political movements, and now we are having a serious problem off of the clinical institution or the, the cottage issues related to the government the, the military relations. is this, the strike in constitutional document? we don't need to give them more than what they have and it is not issue for an englishman. it is the issue of having that a light and to keep a lot of relation with them. according to the document that we assign, you know,

saddam is in a, in, in a region that fessing from stability problems, security and political instability. there is a c, okay, on that piece for bits in south sedan and that is a problem in our western side of the country and on others. we don't need to take the country in escalation and that in about the relation between the military and civilians until we face the problem of instability, then it would create issues of immigration and it will increase immigrants on the problem and go back to the shift the military, they have to work with the civilian in our partnership with relation until the end of the transitional trip until we're inter now them chronic era. and this one would require us to go for serious measures of on 5 days. okay. okay. well, that just means louis weinstein, if i can and put those 2 well,

eat my depot here and will need the money. but the military is also making demands . what's the difference between the military making its own demands of the civilian part of the administration or indeed of the people of the country? what's the difference between that and the military basically staging a power grab but if you look at the situation now, they keep the military officers keep accusing the civilian government of failure. but the army itself as being tardy to all 4 fifths of that period, they have, they have been over starting the filing of a piece of agreement, which included some if significant that is causing a lot of thought. now mainly the situation they have,

they had the fine of funding affairs when i hit with all the consulting this with these people and i think relationship with they refuse to bring a. 1 to, to bring into accountability the companies that they have been administering for almost 3 decades. so what, what i see here is that the, if i agree with our daughter in the sense that given the situation of political and mini stability, i don't see a problem with a president continuing even to finish the whole period of the transition provided that they can give the c p s by the files that a, that's the that should be under the description of how to kinda very finish please

. so in the case, the deadlock here is because i don't think the adobe this program is block, wants to finish the video, the transition a, b, and people should sit down and discuss the feasibility of the 2nd issue a we have and that's always in the back of them, this is a busy office, it is the hot, the dead, the little i pad was. ah, douglas attempted against the blue testers in the sea in the offices the know that unless they are given immunity. i know, i think that even at the end of the transition had been there a way to give up power to the civilian. okay. oh, hatchet. cooker also in cartoon, democracy is a living thing. seems to me from what you 3 gentlemen have been saying. democracy is not alive and well, it seems to be frozen the world bank couple of days ago saying the economy is

trending in the right direction. because inflation has come down to 388 percent, which is an astonishing percentage trigger. there are so many variables in the country and in the broader region. is there a chance here that the country is actually at a tipping point and it could yet head back to the bad old days of the 19 ninety's. ok, i don't, i don't think i don't think we're we're back there. i feel right now we reached a point to that and we're going back to war is uphill. battle. it's going to be really hard to go back to war. the rebel groups that you're talking about, the minister of economy is one of the people with our goal, who are trying to get the military to rule and we're not. so the fight is political . the fight moved away even today. like if you look at the system,

a lot of them are rebel soldiers. so, so the idea, the way people are fighting is different than i hope that we never go back to war. i right now, i don't think there's a threat to go back to war. people are not threatening to go back to war. really right now the talk is what gentlemen we just talking about. it's exactly the idea would, would we go to become a fully civilians entry and take over running the country economically and we're not using people we and methods and trying to solve our issues using for your methods and that's what they're illusionary is want. and yes, the economy is really bad, the economy is going in directions that nobody administer debris, no better than anybody else because they are on the forefront of the economy. and there is, there is a lot of battle that needs to go to get there. and then we need to finish this transition period and get to a period where people can fight over ruling the country using democratic message. and i feel like we could get there. and we need to get over this one big hurdle, which is the symbolic gesture of giving power to sibling. and that's why i think

giving over the chairmanship is really important. symbolically because it just towns the military that now is the time where civilians rule the country and we as a military, our job is to defend not to okay, but i will also encourage him. what if the people you speak to and the people you speak for are investing in the military? and it's the wrong side of the argument to invest in because arguably, there are threats inside the country. that's why what's going on in sudan has blip on the radar. for the state department in washington, there are other threats outside the country. you need a competent and a capable military. the worry outside the region is that the sudanese military is not competent and it is not capable. let me say one thing we don't need to involve

the issue of military as a british for always thought to, to avoid discussing issues related to the civilian civilian issues. military according to the constitutional document that will take all of the handle that the government to them and civil in in july 2022. this is what i had it for. i'm one of the classified officer in the, in the, in the minister of justice. he told us like that and this is not, you shall know. the issue is reforming the ruling collision. the f s. c, it is the periodic. you know? because now the problem now that we have to, if a see the little bomb representing under this other group, i see even to hand over to the civilian. as i do does asking, we need to agree who to be handed over to the the civilian as those are the will continue. moreover, the issue is not timing over the course of this. and if not, it will not appear here. it will appear into when we go farther,

as soon as measures of the car is ation leg to conduct the sensor on to go for the water, just threaten another register and go for other issues related to the know the parties. the bill of the thought is on go for the election to the form to form de election commission and go follow up into re and participation of the people in that runs ition on transitional legislation so that they will pass for these bids. and those are groups of 5 lucian that will be part of the descriptive concept to, to, to back to pass the bills and then to ok. i'm going to talk to them because i just saw below you minutes the program. i do want to go back to my lead and had huge both in wanting to how wanna catch him when he's coming to 1st, how much genuine desire do you detect on the part of everyone involved in this scenario? to get back on track. i think that they are on there are

all very good with i don't want to accuse any, any more this into, to in intention. anybody intention in this scenario? i think ever see one of see to the need to understand that any favor on it, you can follow the zation of the society is not going to help us with capitalizing the sudan and moving towards a democracy. it's going to give me a free a situation, but we have to be in mind that some pressure ought to be exempted to make that civilian government more accountable to this dentist. people, if you think of that liberal economy policies adopted by dupes government,

i mean, it just went exactly again, is one a has b, according for the policy of the world bank, and i am, if adopted these people, economic policies, which with me for interrupting you, the last point, so how to cook in cartoon hatch church in 30 seconds? are you optimistic that the civilian part of the administration will react in the right way to the pressure that's being directed at it just now? it just seems to be ignoring what's being said to it. ok so, so really on comes on the street are coming out on the 21st of october and we are pushing and what we're really pushing for is for civilian both. right now, i think it's way more important that civilian world, that any of the rest of the other thing i think right now is actually on the right track for a change. and that most important thing in my democratic position is to get to democracy. the rest will follow, gentlemen. thank you so much. thank you to,

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