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ah, i am i had shabby dean sitting in for phemie. okay. and you're in the stream since the war between israel and palestine in may, there has been an undeniable shift in public support for palestinians, but will it lead to any real change? if you're watching us on you tube, join the conversation, share your thoughts in our live chat, and you too will be in the stream. ah, after the latest escalation and violence in gaza unoccupied west bank, a growing number of people in the u. s. believe the government should be putting more pressure on israel for the 1st time ever. majority of democrats 53 percent,
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want to see more pressure on the israelis that's up from 43 percent in 2018. and these numbers are seeing an extra large bump among liberal and progressive youth. now, last month, the united kingdom's labor party passed a motion labeling israel and apartheid state following in the footsteps of leading human rights groups such as israel's but salem and human rights watch. here is olivia caught be smith of the boycott divestment sanctions movement. global solidarity with palestinian liberation since may have been unprecedented, has reached new heights. and this is really due to several key factors. one of them is that palestinian unity across historic palestine and the diaspora has really been historic and challenging colonial presentation. another factors of the us movement and our global partner have been working on planting the seeds of solid arity for many years. another factor is that israel steady shift to the far
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right is alliances with special parties and dictatorships have resulted in a losing the liberal mainstream along with export cation of weapons and surveillance, and violation of human rights in palestine. and globally, here to discuss that growing solidarity in new york mohammed occurred, he's an award winning writer and poet from jerusalem occupied palestine in brooklyn, linda star source, she's the executive director of empower, change math movement of diverse us muslims, and allies fighting for future free from atlanta phobia and white supremacy. and last but not least in london, rapper and campaigner, loki joins us as well. welcome to the stream. so please have you all with us mohammed. i want to get straight to it. you know, earlier the summer i saw you appear on m. s n b c. and you explained that this is the 2nd time you're being thrown out of your home by israeli settlers. i think your
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father's 3rd time and if your grandmother was alive, i think you'd be her 4th or 5th time. now, you then asked whether us tax parents really want to be spending $3800000000.00 for the demolition of your home during a pandemic. while so many americans are struggling since then, it's been difficult not to notice that you've gained hundreds of thousands of followers on social media. the world certainly seems to be paying more attention. what do you think is behind this renewed attention and the shift and perception specifically in the us but also across the world? thank you so much, much for having me. i think, you know, there was and continues to be in my lifetime, hunger to listen to palestinian voices on the ground to understand the policy in perspective, dot merely reflect the material, the material reality of the zionist and is really aggressive that we face simian. and so when helping in started taking on to social media, this apparently nuanced,
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complex, mach micro, hard to digest, issue became actually a pretty easy to understand issue became a pretty easily identifiable problem of colonization, of a colonizer versus a common problem of subtler from, you know, long island coming to, you know, home and so it became a pretty easy to understand. i think this resulted in a huge shift. reception of narrative izing in the streets. no, i think we also need to be pushing for an institutional shift. right. the shift in the streets needs to translate systemically governments at large, not just the united states government are not respecting or reflecting their citizens wishes of pressuring and thinking that israeli occupation of tending to their own personal needs to be at health care or a better education. or clean water needs. when you raise the priority perspective, linda, do you agree with me? had anything to add as to what's really at that, the crux of this shift?
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and is it a significant shift in your opinion? absolutely. to significant shift i think what's behind it also is social media. it's about not being able to deny the story directly coming from those who are the most directly impacted. it's about playing to people's values and principles. and when people see, and you ask somebody here in new york a question and say, hey, what would you do if somebody just came to your home and literally tried to forcefully remove you? people were, were like, this is unjust. this is unacceptable. and finding the storytellers has been important. the messengers had met in his sister and many other activists in palestine have been wonderful messengers on for this. i always tell people all the time while i am a palestinian and very proud to be that i am a palestinian american who does not live under a military occupation and we need to lift the voices of those that are on the ground. so social media and seeing the video, you can't deny what your eyes see. it's no longer a, you know, through
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a 3rd party. it's literally you and the injustice and you start asking yourself, what side do i want to be on? and i think majority of americans are starting to think and say, you know what, i don't want to be on the side of aggression. i don't want to be on the side of a nation state that forcibly remove people from their homes and and militarize is communities and terrorizing young people and elders. and that has been very important. and i think the media than the traditional media has been forced into telling the story the way it should be told. because social media has set the precedent and the framework, or anything that diverges from that is obviously not going to be an accurate depiction of what's happening. right. and, you know, loki, i heard linda reference social media as having played a pivotal role. now obviously the occupation, the ethnic cleansing apartheid policies have been around for decades. social media has been around for what 2 decades now. so it's not like it's new, and i know that you're a little bit more apprehensive about this sort of tech, utopian view that said,
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i do want to quickly ask you lokey on the back of the tweet from a day plus chronicling some of what happened for as much as there is a big shift on social media, facebook and instagram also suppressed post about israeli human rights abuses. we've seen hundreds of post deleted. we've seen instagram falsely tagging post as hate speech, and then apologizing and calling it a glass. we've seen a lot of accusations about who owns these platforms and what their agendas are. lokey, what do you think is the role of social media? was it significant? is it just social media that made this shift? well, while i agree completely that the key hypocrisy of zionism as use if it could be, if an iraqi lawyer of jewish background in the 1900 says he's described as a form of militant archaeology, has been seen clearly by the world we so do have to remember that the palestinian prisoners study center found that between 20152018500 palestinians were
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arrested. and many of them were children for facebook posts. what we've seen is an extension of that carried out in terms of the involvement of former employees of unit 8200 in israeli military intelligence in organizations like facebook. google, this has been counted and documented by journalist by the name of whitney webb, who found former employees of this key part of the infrastructure of surveillance of the israeli government in these companies. right. and so one has the question, why is it that we saw this almost deletion and erasure of all attempts to raise the palestinian narrative during this recent uprising? right? what was the reason, what was the ins and outs of it? and also we've seen an unprecedented amount of employees within these organizations, speaking out signing positions and actually in the last rising on the verge of
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strike right over this and the palestinian bias which exists within these corporations. so it's a double edged sword, right? course most definitely, and i thought you were nodding and it was almost like you wanted to jump in after loki. i want to quickly go to, to tweet one from peter binary. because i think there's also been a reckoning or a confrontation or a reflection amongst certain jewish peoples, dirt, jewish leader, a certain zionist organizations. maybe not as much as there should be. but peter, by not writing here on twitter. the reason the american debate over israel palestine could shift dramatically and quickly that many democratic all efficient don't need to be convinced that what israel is doing is wrong. they just need to be convinced that they can say so without hurting their careers. now, here's another tweet from you thing. the appropriate term to describe israeli attacks on palestinian is in fact, settler violence. when you think of peter tweet about politicians needing to know that there's not going to be a fall out. and, and this idea of what's appropriate,
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is it appropriate, you know, i remember when i started in journalism, not only was it inappropriate for a politician to say that, but at the new york times that the big news organizations, including the wire, you would never say occupied westbank, you would never hear the term ethnic cleansing being used just a decade ago. what are your thoughts about peter's tweet, and what do you think? what do you think is the reason we're seeing terminology being more aptly used? well, i think politicians and journalists really need to get a grip on reality and understand that whatever backlash they might do with the whatever career might be heard is never going to be as difficult as the reality that palestinians live under material materially. and i think, you know, when we ask people to use terms like occupation like colonialism like cleansing, we are asking them not to do us a favor, but to be objective. these words are not hypothetical. these words are not the article. they are carved into my body. i feel them and experience them every single
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day. do millions of palestinians and have continued to field them for over 70 years . this ethnic cleansing is not a metaphor. it is not a propaganda word that we are using, but it is in fact proven. it isn't, it is actually advocated for explicitly within the israeli authorities. what sue is ready? politicians through their, their campaigns. this is not something that we are theorizing about. of course, i don't not need to cite is really politicians to make my point. i believe my experience and experience of my people is far more valuable than an assertion or a confirmation from a race. this is ready, politician, but i do think american politicians, american journalists really need the pain and half of saying something that might cause backlash versus being right or the grip livable. those are under or are on the other end of the rifle. leaders nodding is you're speaking so as loki, linda, i want to come to you because, you know, we keep hearing from people more and more voices,
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let's say in congress as well as celebrities are speaking out about palestine. right. and they're being bold, they're using bold terminology relative to what they used to look at this tweet from alexandria. claudia cortez apartheid states aren't democracies. you know, she has spoken at length about ethnic displacement and cleansing. and then recently we saw her vote present on a vote whether to fund israel and send an or $1000000000.00 to israel. and you know, there's been a fall out and i just want to know from you. i mean, for as much as we've seen a shift amongst the squad and not just the squad but others, what is the cost? i mean, why would alexandria, cardio court has both present when she's criticized other colleagues for doing the very same thing. you know, i'm not here to speak on behalf of a l. c. i think she has spoken on her own behalf and has tried to explain her position and to be clear, i'm not going to always agree with a c or l hahn or rashida or ma moment or many others that we consider to be in the
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squad. what we're seeing here is people committed to a long term game. i do not believe that we are going to shift u. s. foreign policy on palestine within one congressional. busy kind of session, it's going to take long term work, but what we have seen is that for those that worry that palestine could potentially hurt their careers. we've seen it actually help. in other instances jamal bowman, he literally be one of the most pro zionist pro israel members of congress that this country has ever seen in elliot angle who had millions of dollars in his campaign war chest. we watched cory bush and st. louis missouri literally beat lacey clay, who was a very strong ally to the state of israel. and he had been in congress for many decade. in fact, his father was also a member of congress. and so while we may not be seeing the kind of, you know, policy change that we want right now, we are seeing the conversation that is literally at the top of the democratic party
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in a way that it hasn't ever been before. and what we're seeing is that the pro palestine movement in the united states of america have become a lot more influential and our movements have become a lot more intersections. so you will see the larger kind of black lives matter, racial justice movements in america, right. who have kind of integrated talestine as part of their platform as we talk about refugees. and we talk about immigration seeing the issue of palestine and seeing what is happening in palestine and making gold comparison. when we talk about police brutality and policing in america, making the comparison between the militarization and the ways in which police act in israel as i do here in the united states and those training programs. and we're watching the kind of media movement grow with christian based sects here, united states who are divesting from israel watching university. right. do the same watching cooperation, right. been in jerry's who didn't go all the way, but they went some way. and that was because of the growing here and do those
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things, encourage you to someone who lived this as someone who lives the consequences of this brutal occupation do those. you know, when you hear john legend, when you hear celebrities, when you hear authors, when you hear more people standing up does, it doesn't give you hope that things are going to change on the ground. are things changing on the ground? i mean, i, i believe the change that has happened over the course of how many decades is a cumulative change. and it is the result and the factor of many, many, many movements and organizations and individuals working tirelessly and with their careers and sacrificing their lives. i will, i will say however, that yes, of course, things like this give me hope, but date, and always end up being in the category of symbolic modality of symbolic change. mclee. we're not seeing much difference on the ground. for example, this uprising that we thought that has inspired hundreds of thousands of people globally. today,
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we are seeing that the people who participated in it are being punished within a violent crack down. there are thousands of palestinians that are being shoved into prison and handed lengthy sentences. my own neighbor more up to 25 year old elementary school teacher, has been charged and god knows for how long he's going to stay in prison because of his role in the social campaign that campaign. hundreds of thousands of people endorse the campaign that many foreign governments and diplomat endorse. right? we are paying the price for it. so i think it's really important to translate this sort of derek, this positive change the spectrum and into tangible action that will help our people instead of leaving them behind. especially those of us who do not have that ability. no, no, i appreciate you mentioning that last point. and loki, i see that you're nodding, you know, for those of you who don't know in our audience last week, irish authors, sally rooney rejected a bid by an israeli publishing house to translate her latest novel into hebrews, citing her support for the b d. s. movement thing,
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i simply do not feel it would be right for me. under the present circumstances takes up the new contract with an israeli company that does not publicly distance itself from apartheid and support the un stipulated rights of the palestinian people. loki, when you see these kinds of things happening. i'm curious, is this encouraging because i saw your tweet thing more important than sally rooney is the 400 employees of google and amazon that signed a letter demanding their employee stop project nimbus which entails them working with the id f to build a new cloud service are these things encouraging on their own? what more needs to happen to do exactly what mohammad said, and what linda referred to, which is translate this into real policy, change or change on the ground. the reason i said that is that b d. s will come from the bottom up organizations like the democrats actually, and it's important to know that they have received more funding since 1989 to now that the republicans have from pro israel lobbyist. they have received
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$104000000.00, at least for pro is well no. b s. this is congress people with democrats, in contrast to republicans who received $66000000.00, at least for pro israel lobbyist. we also have to remember that when you look at what happened during that time, you saw the by the administration agreeing to sell $735000000.00 worth of weapons in the midst of the campaign. and also they notes down to tell which house al jazeera and similar tiniest. you had italian doc work is refusing to load ships with weapons that were to be sent to these re the states right had palestine action in london close down an elbow systems factory was 6 consecutive days and the fire brigades union issue a statement refusing to remove those protesters from the factory at the same time as google employees were on the verge of the vote. so what we're talking about here
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is b d s coming from the bottom up. and these established organizations largely acting as internal surveillance systems, right, and acting to squash b, d. s. time and time again. how did you have coming up? i mean, i agree completely. i think, you know, a point that we often make in the us occupation. $3800000000.00 a year and military a that i think the strategy should be not appealing or performing to congress people, but to really talking to grassroots organizers talking to the american people themselves, to plate their politicians and representatives under pressure to hold them accountable. to this because we are not going to ever get sympathy, let alone political action from people who are orchestrating occupation and mom, right? hers within their own right, independently of those ready occupation know that that's true. and linda, i want to kind of ask you something. i noticed that there was
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a myriad of articles from people who grew up in sinus households in the washington post in the new york times during the latest escalation of violence. where i saw essentially a kind of reckoning, reflection amongst some people about, you know, essentially being brainwashed as young jewish people about what the history is. the actual fact, you know, in an era where facts didn't seem to matter, for example, the one that stood out to me is this piece in the washington post called zionism cannot produce a just peace. only external pressure can envy israeli apartheid. it's by wrapping on the moon, he said his jewish community was fed a historical narrative, divorced from reality. the narrative being that during what we call israel's war of independence palestinians were not expelled by jewish militia, but instead willingly left their homes to make room for arab armies to push all the jews into the sea, dead or alive. the arab leaders were never interested in compromising, turning down p offers from israel and the united states one after the other. so all these narrative that he's discrediting in the piece really,
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really reflect to me maybe that there's, there's something happening on that side of things. let's take a look at a video comment that he sent us. what we're seeing in the united states right now is something we haven't seen before in terms of the public opinion. shifting, especially among young people on the shock, even by this time. and i think that has a lot to do with social media because people have access to by see and stories directly. somebody unions uncensored and into and dashes into the movements that everyone allows people here in the united states or fighting in movements or racial justice for social justice for indigenous rise for trends, rights for the environment. and there's a realization that we can't be fighting for black lives here and you know, but a thing on lives there. linda, he and his article with the only thing that can bring about palestinian liberation
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is if the cost of the occupation begins tao wage benefits. what do you make of his comments there? i think he reflects kind of a new generation of jewish americans, many of whom have been taught that zion is, is a political movement to build a safe haven for the jewish people. and the arguments made to young jewish americans is that there has to be a justification for that safe haven are and then they learn what those are, which is the destabilize ation the removal of palestinian, the ethnic cleansing of palestinian is a military occupation, a siege on gaza and all of a sudden these young jewish americans don't want anything to do with that. that, that, that, of course, as just humans in general, we want safe havens for all people. everyone deserves to live with safety and security, but we should never have to do that at the expense, but other people. and that's, that's the, that's important and it's growing. i mean, one of the biggest myths in the united states, and there's
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a lot of times where zionist organizations and right wing procedure or organizations tried to pin us up against each other. and i think we have a new generation and actually there are some i would call season folks, i'm an elders in the jewish community who have been co founders of groups like jewish force for peace and other organizations. will have comments stood and followed the charity with the palestinian people who say no occupation in my name, you know, no d, humanist nation of palestinian people in my name. and that's important. and it's important part of the conversation, because what i will say that in order for us to truly transform and translate our kind of solid derek. here as i have met and loki talked about, we need everybody. our liberation is intertwined, which is why it's important for palestinians to be part of the larger racial justice movement, pro immigrant movements in the united states. because at the end of the day, it's going to need all of us to freed rather fine and ensure the freedom and liberation of the policy in people mohammed very quickly before we wrap. here's
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a tweet from you talking about the latest crack down on journalists. of course we've seen journalist shot targeted, brutalized, and arrested in jerusalem and beyond. in the occupied west bank. i myself as a journalist, have been beaten by israeli soldiers have been targeted. how much, what do you want to say to americans who watch this and feel disaffected? well, you know, and also i'll tie this to the earlier conversation. i think, you know, we all know that these narratives design us narratives, the races on people's names. i'm is narratives that we want to throw people into the see here that we were not exist entered, that we were created on the 16th or false. but even if they were true, let me say this narratives of hypothetical bigotry do not equate, let alone justify real material, update sponsor systemic violence against palestinian. and there is an abundance of that. and on that note, it's where we are going to have to wrap this conversation. unfortunately,
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