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northern neighborhoods, dozens of them gathered outside the presidential palace where people have demonstrated for days calling from all civilian control over the government. if europe is governments carried out more air strikes on the northern tig i region. this is the 7th time in the last week. a military training center in the weston area of my temporary was targeted. will up thousands of people been killed in more than 2000000 display since the fighting began almost a year ago. and finally took his president as demanded 10 western ambassadors be expelled after they call for the release of a jailed businessman. osman cavellas has been in prison since 2017. is accused of taking part in the fail come of 2016, which he denies. a joint statement from several countries, including the united states, canada, france, and germany, says the case quote, cast a shadow over respect for democracy. that's me for today. thanks for your company. adrian will take you through the next few hours of news on al jazeera,

after inside story. ah. are the european union and bella roost playing politics with refugees. fellow ruth is accused of opening a new migrant route as a retaliation against e. u sanctions. could their stand off lead to a humanitarian crisis in the baltics? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much am john?

the european union is divided on how to respond to a migration crisis in the baltics. bella roost is accused of helping refugees and migrants from afghanistan, iraq, and syria, to cross the border into the block. you leaders are calling it state sponsored smuggling. the number of those trying to cross has surged in recent months. poland border agency says it's recorded 16000 attempts since august and 5000 in october alone. other migrants travel to latvia and lithuania. b u accuses beller roost of using what it calls hybrid warfare to retaliate against sanctions. it imposed on minsk those measures were a response to a crackdown on descent in belarus. that's led to thousands of people being detained since last year. natasha butler has more from brussels. as frustration with bell royce grows in the block. some european leaders did not hold back on the last day

of a summit in brussels. they accused president alexander lucas jenko, of running a human trafficking ring and weapon ising migration, by helping people to cross and legally into neighboring countries. to be see the harbor to attack her of bella ross regime, which has continued, which is becoming more and more aggressive receive is of her salvation efforts. the c pry own try, soft bar ocean regime to find new connections. new destinations. the u says uminski is flying people mainly from the middle east into bearers, and helping them to cross the border into the block by a poland, lithuania and latvia. what are your luxembourg prime minister called on leaders to respect people's rights? a day after an 8th person died on the border, where conditions for migrants are greenberg. some countries want to build a board offense for after the meeting. you leaders agree to strength and borders and impose more sanctions on minsk. we consider the behavior of the below us

government as a hybrid attack. the people used by lucas anchor of victims. we must help them. no one's life should be used for political issues. and this is an instrument elevation of migration to pull it put to political pressure on the european union. we will keep up the pressure on the location collision. and the problem with the european union's borders is not so much that we don't have an off border guards or order. we don't have enough fences. da da da real problem is that when people manage to enter illegally on you territory and that they are fairly certain that they will be able to stay even if they do not have a right to stay with one of us. his actions widely seen as retaliation for existing you sanctions, some one to way the more penalties are likely to stop minsk. but how to tackle

migrations long been a source of division in the block. at our last summit is german chancellor, anglo merkel expressed regret that after so many discussions, the e u has yet to come up with a coherent migration plan. natasha butler al jazeera brussels. the migrants are caught in the middle. al jazeera steadfast and spoke to 2 men who eventually made it to germany. they told us, what will you will, you will, i will kill you. he will be dying. no means that you could go to bullen. but of course you, yes. and they told us they cut it, they give us a cutter, they told us ok, bull and pull me, go and get to the copper. yes. the they give us the cutter to cut the harvard wire, that he was duck being sent back and forth between the 2 countries. for 20 days, better wishes would tell us to go to poland. the polish would tell us to go the

opposite direction to both of us. but 20 days we had no access to food or water and pollution. police would either put by weapons, doctors or peaches, and repeatedly tell us to get back to poland. ah. all right, let's bring in our guests in kiev and ukraine, yellow slab, roman choke, president of the think tank. misses, scientific research center and in brussels, catalano, chief executive of the center for european policy studies. thank you for joining us . we appreciate your time here on the inside story today kata. let me start with you today. european union leaders pledged on friday to keep up the pressure on beller roost. president alex anchor alexander lucas shanker. to halt the flow of migrants from his country. how do they keep up the pressure? what does that entail was we know since august last year they had started with sanctions. i know they have increase on the sanction of the month of june. and of course, they are further looking into what all the depression exercise on the government. i

know they're looking also to let you know the order priority for what they did with this journalist who came back from, from athens and a force to land in between. yeah, but also they're looking especially at natasha, but also looking to do the same thing, i think, to other international organizations. the problem however, is that the gotcha is not a member of many organizations like the counsel europe or b r c. the organizational security question. so the only things, yes, is through these all the international organizations, like i met from the united nations. but this is more difficult because for example, the i m. s. recently a quarter of a 1000000000 loan. so, i mean, the best thing you can do is to use at all the means at old domains which exist up international level with rational organizations. put pressure on russia, for example. also ensure that flights from syria or flights from iraq cannot happen . who bring these refugees and all these me so,

so just to make sure that the maximum pressure is on the lane also on russia and go on on the government yet us live. you leaders have also agreed to impose more sanctions on men's going forward. but if bela bruce is actions are seen as a retaliation for existing e sanctions. how would imposing more sanctions actually be effective? let's talk about the appropriate or the nature of sanctions. because in the 1st 9 months of the year in the light of sanctions, bolivar some export of the goods to european union doubled. and look, shanika laughs at the way. busy sanctions imposed because what he cares about is money. there are no restrictions on trade. there are almost no restrictions and capital. moreover, some european companies urge european union to change functional regime as it was

imposed so far. so who should go said different hybrid modes of waging war against your opinion. i implemented information will. busy trade warfare, and what he cares about is keeping the society under control and preserving context with the kremlin and keep both cusick cesium bad and in the light of very inappropriate mode of sanctions. he believes he can do that without any consequences. but what i should notice and point out is how come that these inflow refugees of people from different. busy countries happened only in 2021, never had happened before. so there must be some information campaign in these countries to tell the people what kind of stagers bother has. and not to come to

bother because nobody forces into these planes to come to bellows, which she definitely where do this hybrid mode of warfare. busy with europe in union, to abolish sanctions altogether. and kind of the you keeps talking about hybrid warfare that bella bruce is waging some type of hybrid attacks and hybrid warfare. what exactly can you break that down for? what exactly hybrid warfare mean when, when it's applied to bella luce right now hydro and this gauge is kind of a water for it's not the real are, i mean, i mean, but alicia is not saying that they are doing these things. they are doing seem just as a threat, i mean to the european union. and they said this is margaret calling to but i reached out to go to the you. but they are not saying that the trend is that's the form of hybrid barbara, this, but i think i said these are the things that you can count on. and all of that we know that we have some other problems with them to you. but they tried to cross the border into holland, all of which is not one of the most key members of europe in europe in you can use

as also as an element towards forums who say, look, you see what your opinion is good or we can act together and we can stop this guy at your board if you don't like at all as well to come into your country. but anyway, it's a thing which, you know, you want to, since very time has happened already in degrees. but i think look, i, shank was didn't have to look very far. everyone was sitting there and 201516 by which had maximum brush on medical and got several billions to keep the shooting refugees within the borders. but again, let's have what you can do is limit that, but the best thing that you will be concentra to be an exercise maxima brush. i'm probably also, as the other speaker was saying, and there are still many more things that you can do. and if, for example, the, just the quarter, the 1000000000 loan to do a better lucia that should not have been done. but again,

apparently there are still many new polls which can keep luca shane, court eyes. and the most important one is close relationship and put in a regression line is what we're seeing here is oh yeah, go ahead. if you want to jump in, please go, hey me, a little bit correction. that is not alone. technically that's a burst member of the funds that each member of i am i've got and there must be good reasons not to give it to borrows. like not recognizing the legitimate mr. barsh government deny mark is not a political organization to do that. that is why it look a stronger regime. god is $920000000.00 and definitely that's not a loan. and it doesn't say. ready that i am f support that however europe and union foreign policy should definitely be more. busy comprehensive and consistent and again there was the famous for having smuggled different kinds of grey

economy schemes in trading tobacco goods with their appealing union and it has never been stopped. so. busy migration is another wave of the show that differently homework should be done by european union to come to why has the you still not been able to come up with a coherent and comprehensive migration plan? you know that element, but that's an issue. i mean, if you look at that you, we have money to us started united way, integrate the whole domain of what we call home of. and it's just as affairs is much less, of course has evolved into placing us, but we still do not have, for example, of common aside in policy. i mean, we have different interpretations over into different member states. it's main total national responsibility. it's not an easy response. would it be, i really think i have called for e, y. it's our new agency, permanent notation of the w convention. but of course, there's still some way to go before we get there. and by the way,

publish the paper on there's only a month ago, just saying how crucially important it is to do that. but again, this is the main, remember stage referred leslie to keep it on their own control rather than to have it under your control. and again, you don't need to look pretty far look at hungry look at the photos which are more . this is the members within the you to call it that way. which would certainly not like to have ross's dictating b as a policy for these 2 countries. cato, you just mentioned, you know, basically the idea that you would like to see there be a unified policy when it comes to asylum. what has to happen for that to become a reality? i mean, it's not so difficult to just the members that have to agree in common that he wants to do this together. and there is a single agency dealing with all as either of you. but that means that they have to

get a song sovereignty over asylum applications, national level. but we haven't you authority, which is basically looking at all member states to agree on to the side on the side for a given asylum seeker years today. it is totally my fault, it's not your responsibility. yara slot, at its core right now is what we're seeing play out. is this a case of bell and ruth and the you essentially playing politics with the lives of refugees? unfortunately, a cynical behavior abolishing ability is, i believe it does not inform people who come to bother on the conditions and how they can go to europe in union. on the one hand, on the other hand, it's the regime realizes the soft bar in your foreign policy migration, hollis and abuse of course. but there is one player also. busy that we should mention case russia, some people believe that russia definitely could ever say in these kind of conflict

. and if russia says something or take the position to the migration policy in order. busy i think that european union would be very grateful, and russia would also see that it has some leverage on brothers, whatever it doesn't happen. that means that not only migration policy is in question and it does not ad strength european union, but also that at info to injury and like energy policy right now for capital. busy and many other things, and we see the weakening of ricky and union as the fact that he's abused bible irrational, irrational. so it is altogether a kind of from your vantage point. could this stand off that's playing out right now? could it lead to a, a humanitarian crisis in the baltics? this sort of you guys, this is ongoing since several months. and the question is,

how can we stop it from happening? and that's why, as i said to me, to try to exercise much maximum pressure. and in this, for example, through even further limiting, for example, plains getting access to the ocean s fish and torment acting to other restrictions just to really get to government on sneezed. but you know, it's very difficult to do that. so many base if you have supported by russia dennis will, may dr. young, on the other hand, if you see what he's doing and we see other things happening in the country, we shouldn't be desperate. we know that the opposition is very strong and better shall certainly outside the country in the rain, our phones and other countries last year. and we have to support this opposition to try to exercise maximum pressure to get rid of this man and alicia slot. are there any indications right now that president lucas shank would back down at all or be more concerned about the possibility of further sanctions carrying over

$700.00 political prisoners and over $70000.00 people who suffer from the regime. look shank, having very favorable economic conditions and again increase of export by 35 percent in 2021. having russia or china supportive. busy not likely to break down. why should he, if he's raging information trade the migration warfare and he's saying that your opinion is. busy not demonstrating trends and what he cares and what he's afraid is unity and force and determination to resist this kind of behavior. so essentially involuntary, european union is kind of supporting this kind of behavior of the russian regime and the number of people who believe russians who left the country. i think they fitted half a 1000000 which definitely weekend, but the russian opposition inside the country and there is no pressure inside of it

. so i think that. busy the prospects changing, and so the regime are quite grim. it cut out there are growing calls by some e. u. member states to build border fences to build walls. do you believe that we're going to see that happening more and more? yes, we can have these roles but you know this border between boucher and love via literate excuse me dog. so it's extremely difficult to have the census as a kind of a 100 percent fence between these different countries. so i think this is not a solution. there will always be a base around people are given by the government means to cut so way these francis, again a, this is not the solution will have to think of the solution with the maximum impression on the government. and don't forget that so many ways we can do well, sometimes with other companies like for example,

switzerland or the u. k. or other countries. i mean can also be persuaded to join you and making sure that we're getting a doorway here. so i just want to talk for a moment about how the dynamics of migration to europe may have changed these past several years is, is the baltic root has that become a more viable alternative for migrants. both occurred on the one hand and poland. busy these are 2 venues where migrate my migraines go. busy and the reason is there a simple there is no. busy physical border, no obstacle that so so it is stimulated support, this kind of delivery of people and you for that one whole according to law, they should have the right to be in the border zone. so definitely the damn location there being that definitely should be supported by the authority. so, but again, now if you want to change behavior barshan authorities,

the best and most effective way would be to talk to for urge by the russian commercial partners in european union to change your location goes here. we know that we've had means, dialect provide years. we had like recent example of brussels come belgium company urging the brussels to change leaf sanctions. we have or st business spots in the junior business part as in different areas. busy so there are many ways to see, in fact you to put pressure on shanker behavior and to add. busy busy if we add also some diplomatic and other tools to dialog covered dialogue with russia and how bellows behave, that also can be the way out of the situation. because you spoke a few months ago about the fact that you perceive what's happening right now on the border to be an actual humanitarian crisis. playing out human rights groups have criticize both poland and bella roost for their treatment of asylum seekers. i want

to ask you about how dire the conditions are for migrants and refugees and whether or not authorities, or even ensuring medical support or providing food and shelter that they're not aware of. i think they do, but again, let's say you can, it's the easiest way is already in the greek plans are probably before the easiest way to have some form of our for is just to years human beings are way to get what they want, which is totally unjustified, and that's why you have to use all legal means to put the maximum question on the government. if they are losing human humans to get their re, humans live, to get their way done, has to be extremely up. and again, let's say you are speaking, i'm saying, but still so many things we can do. i know we had loans was funding from european investment bank to the better government, but there are also others which are still doing traits with the been government.

let's say, let's act on this and make sure that the governments just behaved. and rachel, ya, 5, do you foresee you being able to come to some sort of agreement, any type of agreement that would guarantee shared responsibility for migrants or asylum seekers going forward so far? your opinion has failed. busy to deliver on the unity of migration policy. but at the same time we believe that under the pressure of this human karen catastrophe when we see a winter's coming and winter is much more severe. so the catastrophe probably will grow. and it definitely requires opinion union to act to lead to support governments in poland. busy athenian live tour to kind of to deal with this mentor and crisis. otherwise say, you know, that will be a big blow. busy to the reputation i'll repeat union as the organization that suspends out as a democratic free world. so definitely the reputation,

the end and good will of repeating unity that state and you from your opinion, cannot act in the unity to resist this crisis. to neutralize that, then there will definitely further erode european union reputation in the world. 5 at a time when there is this erosion ongoing of the reputation of you. partly because of this crisis. i mean, what, from your perspective has to happen for, you know, these countries to come together to actually come up with a coherent plan to deal with this? oh, would i have the craziest idea right now? probably for many speakers are, you know, one, so that union collapsed not when all the sanctions where the most severe butler sanctions way gone. so if you do not have any other ways to put against the question, the regime with these are the european union having in mind what kind of connection

with or didn't get rid of sanctioned altogether, there must be other ways to pursue freedom and democracy in the region and then. busy you will not have humanitarian catastrophe and deaths or poor refugees or the border. busy of poland beller will send beller with here. so there could be this wild solution to consider. all right, well we have run out of time to we're going to have to leave our conversation there . thanks so much to our guest. yarrow slab roman shook and cut a lot and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle is at a j inside story for me and how much i'm doing the whole team here. bye for now. a

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