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unprecedented extreme weather record. temperatures being said, glass here than i feel for deteriorating forth whenever the quote running down world lead is amazing flaws. go in the u. k. in a bit of fresh out a deal to flash. i mentioned before. it's too late. follow the un climate summit on al jazeera. mm hm. financial crimes of increasingly become a great concern to governments world wide. they represent a serious threat to the development of national economies, pest stability and sustainability. the european union is a single market of $27.00 countries. come while it was formed officially in 1993. it took its member states 25 years longer to agree on the creation of a common public prosecutor's office. it's responsible for investigating prosecuting

and bringing charges against those accused of crimes against the financial interests of the you. the european public prosecutor's office officially started operations on june 1st of this year. but some of its member states including poland, hungary island, denmark, and sweden remain outside of the agreement. hungarian justice minister judith wagner says it's a question of serenity. the european public prosecutor's office is led by laura kawisi, but without full support of all human the state. how much authority will it have to do its job? and what challenges will cover she face? is the eas 1st that she prosecutor, the head of the european public prosecutor's office law, recover? she talks to out there. ah, european chief prosecutor laura kawisi. thank you for talking to out there. i have to say it came as somewhat of

a surprise to me that it took 25 years to actually open the european public prosecutor's office. why did it take so long? it was about done negotiations between the member states and to find the the best way to regulate. because indiana, we speak about 22 different member states with 22 different legislations. and it was difficult to find a come on the way to organize this to europe in public prosecutor office. but the, it's the, the world 3rd largest economy. what were the problems that needed to be overcome? surely financial fraud must have been one of the key issues. yes, because if you investigate fraud, the involving you hand so full of over 10000 euros, our cross border of the 80 for the voting damage. both $10000000.00 euros, but also corruption, only london, none of organized crime related to this financial frauds. but it's important to say that the baseline estimate in each year, it's that more than $50000000000.00 euro,

the $88.00 of in you know, that it's lost every year in the whole of the you. so this means that we needed to have this european public prosecutor office. but why did it take so long? i still don't really understand if it was so important, despite the fact that you said, you know, 22 countries you had to negotiate with. surely there was a common ground that could have made this earlier, or was this political? i'm a prosecutor for me. it's very difficult to comment what happens during the political negotiations for me, it's important that people started it's activity 100 days ago, more than 100 days ago. so we started the 1st of june and now we have started to investigate these crimes that falls under our jurisdiction. you are a prosecutor, you with the romanian national anti corruption director. it's now the level of corruption in the public sector in romania does remain very high in 2020 corruption perceptions, indexed by transparency international, listed romania as scoring 44 out of

a 100 and ranking 10th. and the european union and 69th globally. not a great statistic, but what do you bring to the table? i'm here to speak about the european public prosecutor office, but if you speak about the specific member state on the board, the corruption, i have to say that the local and the time the statistics are the only one more important. because when we speak about the combating corruption, it's not important just to put the people behind boss or to contain them. it's also important to prevent on the i think when we speak about the good option, we have to take into consideration these 2 main important fields prevention and the investigation related to the, the cases that were investigated in my previous position that are public statistics . so i prefer to comment about the activity of the european bought the prosecutor offices. well, one of them is going to be dealing with your and government government actually fired you. how does that work?

well, i sent a complain to the, to be on court for to on the rights on to the judge month of the, the european court. was that the, the way how the i was fired was not so fair and they broke my from them and those rides. now, what are the main challenges the europe faces then talk to us about, i mean, you talked earlier about the fact that, you know, you've got to deal with 22 member states for what are the big challenges other than, as you mentioned earlier across the board, activity well, it's important to said that for us, as the single prosecutor office acting the 22 member states as the single supranational authority, if i would make a company's i'm, it's like a federal law or dory d. we. the real challenge is to ensure coherence on the sense of belonging to the european public prosecutor office while embedded in the national system. because we have a complex structure. we have prosecutor european prosecutors at central level in

luxembourg, but we have the europe delegate, the prosecutors, water embedded in the national systems, and they have full prosecutorial powers. so this is the 1st, the, the 1st challenge. and also we have different challenges related to the existing judicial cross border cooperation mechanism. because not all the member states participates to the e p. p. all. and we have to act differently. we have some rules to apply when we speak about the participating member states and there are 22 and also different rules when we speak about the non participating member states to the e p. p. o, and there are 5 countries in this relation. now laura, one of the things, the european union across the board has been accused of is layers and layers of bureaucracy and paper work and strings, basically to trying to anything done. now your job for financial fraud means that

you're going to have a lot more oversight than say, other bureaus or do you think you have a direct connection enough to be able to investigate thoroughly and quickly? well, as i said, we are a single prosecutor office and what is so interesting about the p p. o is the fact that we are very flexible, structured. so we have the ability to investigate cross borders, criminality in 22 member states of the u without cumbersome or to a legal assistance. formality. we have immediate access to all the information in the case is registered in 22 member states. and we, we are in a unique position to establish connections between case is in different member states. and maybe it's better to give you an example. so recently we have a case in one of our case with the for so called system. the estimated that much is, is a $80000000.00 euros. there are 6 countries invoice. so we perform how

search is unfroze assets in 5 member states, the more tenuously. instead of months, it took us weeks to get these organ i. so in fact of the, of, of most of the measures assigned were finalized in less than 3 weeks. and this is a make busy because without having a b, b o, we cannot do that. so a prosecutor, now let's take an example for gen money will call your colleagues in france, they will establish what they need and they share information. and they, they work in the case without having a very cumbersome procedures to follow. i mean, you paint a very rosy picture of the european commission actually recently blocked you from hiring the people that you say that you need to be able to successfully prosecute for fraud investigator tech guys for people like that. you've said that actually

i'm being blocked from hiring people. i need so can you do what you say you can do? well, it's about the budget and it's about what, what do we want to achieve with the p p, or do we want to have a really independent, efficient, or strongest to sions? or we just want to have a new office saying that we have a new european institution. so for us, it was very important to have enough resources to gain our goals. and this is why we ask for the european commission last year to increase our budget. when we get a budget around 45000000 euros, but we need to more, we have asked to have the possibility to hire more stuff. and we didn't have this approval. so we were in the situation that we have to return several 1000000 euros to the european commission because we couldn't use those money for different things

. i prefer to spend money to hire more resources instead to, i don't know, buy flowers or things for the office. but in order to be efficient and to fight with the real criminality, we need to have resources, especially human resources. because as i said, we have a case management system. so we have all electronically, a system where we have all the cases there. we have access to all the information in 22 member states, and we need to have analyst to connect the dots to identify the cross border community. and more important, we need to have a financial experts to be able to recover the damages on to increase the level of recovering the damages in the members. and in order to do that, we need to have more more stuff. we'll talk to me about the types of commonality. you're facing them. what are the, the big ones? is it simply government officials miss spending money or is it stealing?

is it corruption? well, we have different types of crimes based on our duties diction. we have a very few cases of corruption, it because they are related to the financial fraud about the most of the cases that we have related to the fraud. and we have a case that involves higher damages, as i already gave you. an example of more than 80000000 euros, we have cases with the images that more than 100000000 euros with the crimes were committing 6 or 7 member states. and now having a p p o on having immediate access to all the information we open to investigations that possible in future will be connected with the old 22 member states. so in this moment, our target these to investigate cross border criminality, an organized crimes groups. when you say organized crime groups,

a lot of that money is been spent by organize criminal associations. and this is fairly well documented in providing and getting giving bribes in order to receive protection from people like yourself. are you following the money higher up the chain or is it just commonality? you're interested? know, a for us is very important to follow. also the money to recover the damage is because, based on my previous experience, i saw that sometimes the criminal preferred to spend some time in prison instead to lose their money. so, but with the people now we have the possibility to launch strategic strikes against organized criminal groups. because let us be clear, they are our ultimate target, the longer money throws us too sophisticated webs over activities. they are infiltrating on the sourcing the legal economy. they are infiltrating and

corrupting institutions, all levels. so with a p p o. now we can be more efficient and investigated this type of good crimes. laura, it's going to be, is going to come as a surprise to a lot of people that organized criminal gangs. can get access to you money. how does that happen? just give us a case example. well, i think it was not a, but the answer is easy. we didn't have a big deal. and usually the, the investigators, even if they were a prosecutors off police officer, they want to focus in the criminality that are, that was committed in their member states. and not all the time. they had the sponsibility to find the information about the activities that were committed to abroad. so this will change with the bill because we can have a direct contact. we have, we are a single office, we have prosecutors in 22 different member states. so for example, 2 weeks ago,

we opened an investigation, a norm member states, immediately the prosecutor from that member states court, the other colleagues to see if there are links between his case on the other case, is that what did you start? he found out that there are links on to now we can march the cases. we can put all the cases in one big case and we can investigate it very easy. also a bigger chief month. having the bill is the fact that we have this electronically, system case management system. and we can immediately identify all the connections between different persons or different legal entities that are investigated. and the system flag you that there are connections between different cases that are just run in different member states because this was one of the main issue that exists. so now for the 1st time, is that by consolidating investigations in

a single supranational or 30 days, we can obtain an overall view of the crime in our jurisdiction so we can identify them all to solve that on the so in the sco context, cases have already come to live in which low for months, agencies from different member states would conduct the parallel investigations into the same complex without knowledge of each other. so now is different with a p p. o. but laura, a lot of european tax pose who fund the european union, frankly, are going to be surprised that there weren't safeguards put in before. surely as a criminal organization, i should not be able to get access to funding. however, i'm getting it. all european tax pay is being defrauded themselves because the european public prosecutor's office didn't exist. it's very difficult to say that there is a different leaks, but i can say that it will. there were

a lot of differences between the member states before having a p p o. because for example, the number of the investigations was a very different. it was a very different level of political will to identify to that, to the tech, to identify the screen. and it was a different approach between the prosecutor offices and the police full investigate disc type of crimes in some amber states to investigate frauds with the money was not a priority. now with the people, this will be changed and it was not any, let's say, a strategic approach of these phenomena. now, laura, the pandemic has provided you with a particular challenge. it's a very new office for any been around since the be the 2021. the middle of 2021. rather now, pandemic recovery packages have to be delivered quickly when money is being

delivered that quickly there are sometimes let's say shortcuts or at least easing of restrictions regulations which can lead to fraud and corruption. but there's a lot of money is a $100000000000.00. how are you going to keep an eye on all of that money and make sure that it is corruption free that is criminal for a while i hope that we will get more budget because the budget will see people in this moment. it's around the $49000000.00 euro, so we have to defend this huge amount of money with the stuff that we have and with the smaller budget. but in the end, we have to keep in our mind that more money, more flexibility means or higher risk to have more frauds. and we already registered a few cases that are related to the funding mika situations. for example, in italy together got that the finance out based on the request of the iep,

you'll have more than 11 millions for smuggling personal protective equipment and for committing aggravated fraud against a healthcare facility. so we already have some cases. it's important for us to be able to establish priorities in our activities until use all our resources. now laura, just talk to me about aggravated fraud. i mean, that sounds like something that should have been caught way before the european public prosecutor's office should have gotten involved. they should have been caught by the italians themselves. why wasn't it? well, this is one all of the example of the cases that we have. it's an important part of the pain to the e p. o. on do we have a relationship? we already started to have working arrangement with those specialized prosecutor office and we will have a future with got that if you don't. so we've gotta be empty. they have a huge experience in dealing with this type of crime,

but it's important to to take into consideration that the organized groups are not national anymore. so they use to move their money in the different member states. they are used to, to work in different member states, and this is why it's so important because now we have a p p. but also it's all important to work together with the national authorities. now is the you by setting up the european public prosecutor's office using you is political cover. for example, it would be very easy for the you to say actually we have your opinion, public prosecutor's office, that's of box text. and so we're doing something wrong, corruption, but if they're not giving you the money that you need, how serious is the european commission? are they serious about your office? i cannot comment on this. i will give you some statistics in the 1st 3 months off e p, p o. we already processed more than 1700 crime reports.

we started 3 more than $300.00 investigations and many more are still under the evaluation. there is already an estimated damage to the budget of point, a 4500000000 euros in those activity that are under our investigation. so only in 3 months with discover damage is that more than a half 1000000000 euros. but we have a very small budget. so this is why i said, if we want the tiger or if you want to pipe r p, this is that in the end the politicians should decide. i me as a european cheese prosecutor, my duty is still underline what we need to ask for the budget to explain why we need the budget. but in the end, the politicians are those who decide on whole should have this responsibility to

decide what a p p, o should be a strong institution or just another institution in you. now let me just read you a quote from one of the german green m e p. daniel front there of in commission the commission is, has so far not been serious about protecting the rule of law in your commission. president, us live on the land must now decide either she fights with us for the rule of law, or she gives into pressure from poland and hungary and continues to do nothing. is he you serious about protecting his own money? usually do not come on what the politician what the politicians said. so i will not come on what the politicians are, the ones that decide where you are with the budget, the policies and decide what sort of strategy you have. you have to deal with these people, why when you comment on their, on their words? well, we are prosecutors, we are a technical level. and her, you know, if you is

a need depend on the situation. but indeed, when we speak about the independence, we have to take into consideration the budget. and we have to take into consideration that also the budget of the institution when we speak about judiciary, when we speak about the prosecutorial office, is related to the independence. now we have a regulation will set who has to approve the money. and as i said, our job is to ask, but in the end, they will decide if they really want to respect the independence of if you feel or not. now you've talked about your successes in the past, but let's talk about the future of the year. where would you like to see your office go? i think my main goal in my main date would be to, as i said, to have a strong give you your independent, efficient, but more important to wind the thrust of the citizens in our activity. for me, this is the main goal, because if your are efficient,

the people trusting you. if that's the case them, why are poland, hungary island, denmark, and sweden remaining outside of the p, p. o. in the future? would you like to see those countries get in and why? at the moment, only in march, this is a political decision and i think they should explain why they are not in, but i hope that in future we can corporate with our colleagues, our prosecutor colleagues from this member states inside of the e p bill, maybe our activity will convince them that they should, they should join. but the hunger injustice may say you didn't, vargas said it's a question of serenity. clearly you're ruffling some feathers. well, as i said, the e p. p. o, it's a single supranational authority. and so there is no obligation for the member states to be in, but if they are in they, they should. org and they should do everything that is necessary for e p. o to be to be efficient. so i cannot comment on the,

the corporation of the minister of justice from hungary, european public prosecutor laura cover sheet. thank you very much for talking to al jazeera. ok, thank you very much for the interview. ah, november on al jazeera, also a year of turbulent weather world leaders gather in glasgow for crucial summit on the battle against climate change. emmy award winning full blinds, goes beyond the headlines, investigating the untold stories across the us. millions in car gustavo, both in parliamentary elections under a new constitution and more than a year after the lat. pole trigger, a political, quite immersive personal show. documentaries, africa direct showcases african stories from african filmmakers. china marks $100.00 days until it host the winter olympics. but how will the pandemic and cause

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