and undertakers, this is europe on all to 0. ah, knowledge is here, where every oh a on him wrong con, into all the top stories on al jazeera acts of his say at least 3 people have been killed in protest against the pseudonyms, military. good soldiers use tear gas and blocks, major roads. and they've been multiple reports of gunfire. him, morgan reports from all to him. he's a protest that's been days into making thousands of people gather on the streets of her to demanding

a return to transitional government. something they say was rub from them after the military coup on monday. i know some of them we went to the street because we reject the military rule. and he reject authoritarianism and categorically reject all the behavior of the military council. i don't know my be not one another. then what log on we want to topple the security committee and bring it down. we don't trust these people. this is not their 1st coup. we need the world to know that the sudanese people are living under oppression and are being beaten. our voices are not listened to because there is no coverage and there is no internet. ah, they're risking a lot. days of protests in the capital letters treat to st. battles with the military and demonstrators killed. with the internet, cut off organizers used mosque flyers and graffiti to reach people who the military also blocked the main road to the airport. the plant root of this march saturdays protests were met with tear gas and live ammunition. what is really

concerning is the vast array of military and security actors that are on the streets. there are just incredible set are of out of security sectors that now patrol the streets no sense that they are necessarily taking orders from a central spot. and i think that, you know, that diversity of different mills rectors is really worried. ah, these demonstrators are demanding that prime minister, the lamb ducks cabinet be restored. it was toppled by general abdel for the helper hon. he also dissolved the suffer to council established after the overthrow of our martin bashir 2 years ago. some political parties have supported the cool o relationship with hans as he will hold elections in july 2023 and then hand power to the elected civilian government. but the takeover has provoked international condemnation. the u. n. n u. s. has called on the military not to intervene in the protest regional and international acts as have been urging to local han to reverse

his school and was though the transitional government, which he dissolved on monday. but many protested hearsay. even if that happens, it so falls short of their demands to completely hand over power to civilian rule. the people on her tomb streets call it a power, grab and demand a return to democratic process. he will morgan august 0 or 2. g 20 lead is discussing the climate crisis cove 19 and rebuilding the global economy at a summit in rome. pledges made so far include a global minimum tax multinationals and rebels from ethiopia, t gray region. so they are now in control of the town of dessie in the neighboring m. our region. the government is contesting that claim fighting has moved into a mar in a far regions. after the t p l f re took control of t. great. and a security source aiden's international airport says at least 5 people have been killed and 30 injured and a blast in southern yemen. a car bomb exploded near a security checkpoint close to an airport hotel. a lebanon's foreign minister says

the government will not to sever ties with arab nations, which have recalled ambassadors. the country is locked in a diplomatic dispute after its information minister criticize the saudi lead coalitions war in yemen. the united arab emirates is the latest gulf country to recall its ambassador, and the u. k. prime minister says he can't rule out to taking legal action against france as a post briggs at fishing dispute continues. the rift got worse early this week when france seized a british vessel. harris is threatened to block ports, increase checks on boats, and lori's, if the u. k doesn't draw more licenses to french fishing vessels and people in hunger been rushing to get vaccinated after the pacific island recorded its 1st at crone of ours case. on friday, the infection was detected in person who arrived from new zealand. the 100000 residents on the main island have been warned. they could face a locked down. those are the headlines. the news continues, hey, on our de zera after the bottom line. and i forget you can catch up without 0 dot

com. oh hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. why is white supremacy growing in the united states? let's get to the bottom line. ah, this year's started with a big bang. literally. when supporters of former president donald trump decided that they had to save america and stopped the steel of last year's election, people from all over the country descended on the capital. and over time, it became clear that many of the writers have ties the white nationalist and right wing extremist groups. a couple of weeks later, joe biden became the 1st u. s. president in history to call at white supremacy as terrorism in integration speech that was historic. but what has his administration done since then to stem the tide of fear and hate that brings these groups together? what's the future of america's right wing?

malicious the bungalow boys, the proud boys, the oath keepers the 3 per centres and all the rest and whether their neo fascist or their neo nazi or their anti muslim or anti jewish k k, k, neo confederate or all of the above is the network that makes up white nationalism in america, getting stronger. today we're talking with catherine blue, who teaches us history at the university of chicago, and has written several books on the white power movement. most recently, she co edited a field guide to white supremacy which has just come out and west bellamy, former vice mayor of charlottesville, virginia, and co chair of our black party. he's the author of when white supremacy knox fight back how white people can use their privilege. and how black people can use their power was it's so great to be with you. kathleen, congratulations on the release of this edited volume in this book is very powerful essays. and let me just start with you and just ask the question is i also know it comes packed with the issue of how we and the media should be looking at this question and defining white supremacist. what are you hoping to achieve with the

release of this book? where does white supremacy stand in this nation as you see it? so this book is aimed at a particular problem, which is that most of our focus on racial violence treats only one part of the complex system of white supremacy. this book outlines the relationship between racial violence, the ingrained legal systems that make it difficult to convict people of racial violence and the remaining individual racist belief that still permeates or political mainstream. all of those are interrelated but distinct. so when we talk about white nationalism, that's a different thing than what we might think of as by our or white supremacy, but they're all part of the same social problem. and this book sets that out where you have a chapter in this book saying, there are no loan wolves, the white power movement in war. and as you define white power, and as we have because we do in the, in the media, we do talk about loan wools. what are we getting most wrong when, when people in my seat are, are trying to frame this discussion,

trying to bridge to folks watching this to understand it? i just be, it's in your insights and try to kind of frame this for folks. so lone wolf is a category partially invented by the white power is meant to direct our attention away from what it is, which is an organized social movement that brought together neo nazis plans, meaning skinheads militiamen and others, beginning right after the vietnam were and i'm steadily building up to the present moment. this is the same thing we have been dealing with for decades, if not generations. and what we get when we think about this as a problem of loan wolves or stories about the pittsburgh tree of life shooting as being about anti semitic violence. the charleston shooting, being about anti black violence that a passive shooting, being about anti latino violence. christ church being about anti islamic violence and certainly they are those things. but all of those acts were carried out by white power, ideologically driven gunmen who write the same language in their manifestos,

who sometimes share social ties anywhere, c, e to accomplish the same thing with their violence. when we connect those stories, we find that these coalitions that coalitions can arise between is communities who have something in common, who might not have known that otherwise, wes bellamy. you and i have spoken about this before you were. you were right there in charlottesville and i want to remind people and hope you can share with them the, the emotion of that time in this week. the civil trial for some of those involved with unite the right arm. this, this a white nationalist and friends gathering and charlottesville, the violence of death that occurred. i just be interested charlesville was the up a center for, for, you know, was one of the epa centers. but it really mattered in terms of a discussion of race and justice. and inequality and history in this country and i just love for our audience to understand from you. you are vice mayor. you know what, what is what went on then and i'm just asked you bali have we accomplish much since

then? well, one thank you so much for having me. i really appreciate the opportunity to join you are and i think there's a couple of things which we have to keep in mind. america is rooted in white supremacy. there's a lot of us that like to pretend as if that is not the case. we like to pretend as if we're the grand those country that doesn't have these fundamental values. well, that's just the fact of the matter and my grandmother would always say, you can't get to the truth of something if you're not willing to face the truth. and the truth is that our country is founded in based off of one group of people believing that they are superior to other groups of persons. and because of that, you see the manifestation of a wide variety of ideologies are meeting throughout our country initially, or excuse me, substantially speeding speaking to people, trying to maintain power. so once we understand and we are truth about that, tell the truth about that, then we could move forward. our country has made some strides. however, we have a long way to go. as you saw in charlottesville, people being very articulate and very distinct and blood. what their belief that

they were coming back to take, what was there? i was the only black person on the council at the time. and because many of them believe that i was leading this effort to remove of better statues and changing the fabric of what they believed to be one of the true american cities, the home of thomas jefferson. they wanted to come and take back what was theirs subsequently since then we've seen white people across the country truly come to face and understand that we have a lot of work to do. i hope that why people are now starting to understand the plight of black people and people of color and other marginalized groups. when we say that these races, things both overt and covertly have been happening now there's a belief and a push to believe in such but now what we have to do is do exactly what you're doing and as you just described as well as no kathleen, we need white people and our allies and accomplices, to use their privilege and speak out about these things. and then people of color have to use our power to say that we're going to not shut up. we're not going to be quiet. we're going to use our voice, and we're going to rally with those who want to fight with us to bring what a more equitable, not, not. now speaking specifically about equality, but from a more equitable perspective to our country. our states are localities. and so

thank you so powerful me as ask you both and you know kathleen lee would lead with you. you know, i'm sort of interested in, in what models are out there if there are any, you know, to go to west point that, that, you know, given the founding of this country, given we're at a lot of folks see a change in the framing of this country a change in the basic understanding or even education and history about that i have to tell you, i did not know about the tulsa 1921 really genocide in tulsa, oklahoma, even though my parents were from that area. and so we kind of look at that and they're sort of historical realization, and we have to come in that i'm just wondering how can we, with people who felt they weren't there, that wasn't them? why are we talking about something about the legacy and founding this country? how can we actually get models where there is what west talked about, understanding appreciation with this matter. but yet people can still work together and move forward. i know kathleen, do have insights on that. absolutely, i think,

you know, the united states is not unique in its history of racial inequality and racial violence. many nation has struggled with this problem. but the united states is quite unique in how little we have done by way of public conversation and truth and reconciliation with that history. we've had no national peers the process. we've had very little in the way of museum building in memorial ization. and one thing that folk might want to remember is that when we think about, you know, the radical promise of the united states life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness that was never meant for all of us. that was paid out for white property owning free men at the beginning and only through coalition building organization and working together. have people come together to demand the extension of that product promise to more and more groups. the women 1st to non property owning white men, then to people of color than to women. this is a gradual process. it has not happened through mad vanity. it's happened because

people have come together and organized for their own inclusion in that project. and they can do that again. well, what are your thoughts on that? yeah, please. yeah. so i think that there are specific examples across the country of which we've seen municipalities be able to move the needle for specifically, what we think about what's most transpired to charlottesville and i was on council . we wrote, i wrote something called the equity package, which was nearly 4 and a half $1000000.00 in resources provided to underserved communities. when you look at places like edison, illinois, which they have their reparations bill, you have your places like asheville, north carolina, talking about moving with a full reparations package and things of those nature, things of that nature. we have to look at those specific localities. let's use the models on the local level when you have very targeted specific budget allocations and the resource allocations, the disadvantaged groups and folks will have the where the of the just the malice of specifically white people and people who have led this country so long then

that's how we move the needle for, but in addition to that, when we develop something like our by party, which isn't quote unquote, a 3rd party, it's essentially a platform to help me understand that there's nothing wrong with the filtering ourselves. busy in the political landscape, just as you see, the jewish folks doing the irish folks doing them. i see no community doing white people in the people as a whole, need to support these efforts. the mobile is ation of marginalized groups in order to bring forth tangible outcomes and things that we're looking for in the policy side, as well as a budgetary side is what's needed in the immediate. furthermore, when you hear black vocal, when you hear the latino community or you hear marginalized groups speaking about the experience, we need white people to be willing to listen to them 1st and foremost, and then use their privilege to bring forth tangible solutions. we can't do this, a lot is going to take all of us to be able to work together and we are doing so. so let's not just believe that nothing is transpired, and that there's nothing that's happened because nothing in this community or this country will change with that mindset. we have examples,

obviously there's more work to be done and i believe that we're going to do it. so let's keep getting to work or thank you kathleen. i guess my question is, this is the united states of america. how can these groups thrive? so part of the reason that we have struggled so much to face down the power movement. and here again, i'm talking about specifically organized over racist violence against the state and against people on the ground. that is partly because of lack of resources, lack of understanding at the surveillance community, lack of legislative instruments, lack of appropriate jurgen instruction. and this narrative of the note lone wolf that gets repeated in the media that has not directed public attention at this problem. i think that the green of hope here is that since charlottesville, a lot of people have been paying attention, and that's exactly what this movement does not want. so although we see this movement dramatically increasing in size and in its reach into the mainstream. as

we came to grips with on january 6th, i hope we also see a turn towards solving the problem. and i think that this is happening across many levels of our society, ranging from the amazing grassroots work and local political work on that west was just talking about up to things like the d h as in the f, b i directing surveillance resources towards this problem which this has never happened before in the long history of this movement. and so there are reasons to be optimistic. i think that the thing that people have to understand is that this is bigger than simply a problem of individual belief systems. we may think of white supremacy as a fence and racial violence and white power. activism is one plank in the fence. and individual racism was involved in the construction of the fence. but in people

still come along, repairing the fence and propping up the fence. but this fence is here now and we could think of incarceration rates, maternal maternal health outcomes are disparate by res, wealth acquisition, and is disparate by res, proper ownership. all of these are placed in the fence. if we walk away from it, nobody else is still constructing it. that fence is still standing. that's not enough. we have to take the fence down. that's a step beyond. simply not believing in white supremacy anymore. people have to take action if they'd like to confront this problem. and there is no way to deal with something like a tax wage by way, power activists, without looking at this whole system. and it just that in greensboro, north carolina, which is one great example of a local community taking on a t r c process, the truth and reconciliation commission right there for you. then that there was an issue there that was so big that the local community was, was impacted for generations has to do with not only the racial shooting that

happened. there are the races, shooting that happened today. look for a legal system multiple times to bring those people to justice. and that's because of white supremacy mid into those other systems out west, you know, one of the worries that some people feel they have this, this notion of white, white replacement theory. that if it, that if you're going to diversify being, you know, to 0 sum game between races. now i gotta tell you, i've interviewed ceos all around this country, all of whom are that i've talked to are trying to basically say, we need to commit to educational black and brown communities. we need them in our, our corporate leadership. we need them on our board and we need them work in our company. we need to broaden the aperture and bring those folks in. and i have to tell you none of them talk about it in this white replacement theory way, but people have this fear. when you go into a community, you go in to talk to them about how we get this right. what i, what, how do you bring them along so that they understand that at the end of the day we're going to be a much healthier nation. ah, with real diversity out and, and it's going to be everyone wins. how do you do that?

well, well, initially it's a perspective and thought that you go into the understanding that this is quote, unquote a marathon. this is not a sport. you don't change perspective of individuals, nor do you get people to truly understand this in just a day or week or, or even a couple of months for that matter. this is something that requires a great deal of patient. truly believe that we have to be patient with people in patient progress and consistent in regards to how we could things consistently try to move the needle for day by day. some folks are going to get it faster than others and that's ok. we just have to be consistent in the manners on which we continue to push, showing tangible examples of how even on a local level, whether it be your school systems, what does that be? what health disparities was that be with economic disparity of housing disparity that so what, how last benefit in one particular group of persons and how they essentially banished and derived and derailed other groups of people with tangible examples that people but again, i think within all of this, we have to be willing to use one of 2 things. people who are quote unquote,

in positions of power. more times than not white people, they have to be willing to use that power to bring for tangible change. and those who are marginal law, excuse me, use the privilege to bring in for change will change and those who are marginal last have to understand that we still have a level of power. when you look at local elections, statewide elections, federal elections for that matter. it's important for us to pay attention, let the right people bring forth policy, excuse me, tangible policy examples with our demand, and then see to it that they're thought through. when you're educating people on how to do those things, again, it takes time. i'll talk about that in my book white supremacy, not that this is a marathon i got alluded to. and because this is going to take so long, we need to people who are willing to get in shape and do the work. and i hope that you all will join us in doing so. when you hear vice, when you hear president trump's voice, kathleen in west saying there are very fine people on both sides. very fine people

on both sides. i'm interested in, in that framing and caffeine. just from your perspective, what damage was done in that framing, and is it fixed now that biden has a different take, or is there just so much more that, that you're waiting to see done after biden's inauguration remarks? so trump's remarks about very fine people on both sides, when i'm quote, after charlottesville have been a little bit misinterpreted. i think he meant that to be, there were regular protesters, and then there were nazis and clansman. and he was trying to distinguish between sort of the far, all right and the regular protesters. the problem is, as we saw in january 6th, that those groups come together to make violent action happen. and also in charl in, in charlottesville. that was a dramatic miss characterization. of an organized rally by the all right, with the intent of violent action and violence outcomes

it seems was never released. so i think that the whole of trump's record here though is deeply problematic from things like the comment at the 2nd debate about to the proud way as things stand, stand back stand by which was understood by them to be a whole, to our, to the sort of a speech that set up the strike on the capital on january 6th. so, you know, there are many people who have devoted their entire professional mind to understanding the former president and his words and actions. i'm not one of those experts, but i can tell you that they are received. those statements are received by white power groups as the green lights for action and violent organizing. and we also know that events late january 6th, the historical record tells us, are not one off events that is understood as a act of kind of performative public activism. and we see these groups immediately

reaching into the mainstream after we're now just to clarify, let me, let me back up to clarify what i'm talking about. january 6th is sort of the collision of white power organized military groups, right? one district q and on which i think nobody understands very well 2nd stream and sort of the trump based. and the chunk base is the biggest group there. it probably has some variation between people who came out for a free speech action to people who came out hoping to do something. right. but we do know that the organized way, power, movement and military, right? those are the guys who saw moving through the crowd and tactical desks with radios of plans. and they immediately the day after we're reaching into those trump, stop the seal groups on social media to recruit. it is a recruitment action. so what we have to ask is what comes next? where so i love your perspective on yeah. and what it, you know,

what i wanna ask you a question when you answer that question as well. but i want to ask you, if you it organized an hour block party event and it somehow got out of control and you guys had, you know, gone up to the capital, what would happen would have been killed. there's no, there's no if as butts about it black folk, if we would have organized in the same manner in which members of this are right, white supremacy, these why supremacy groups. there's no other way to describe them. if we would have went to the capital and breached the capital in ways and manners in which these individuals in, on january 6, would have been massive bloodshed, then there's just no other way to describe that. and that shows the policy of america in some regards. but also want to speak very briefly to show some love to officers who worked at the capital. i've been on the capital in terms of protest. i was a part of a 1st group of individuals to go inside the capital, january 6, 4 people, protested manning voting rights. and speaking with those officers, what they went through on january 6th was beyond traumatic. many of them missed

their lives and put their lives on the line, and some of them lost their lives. and i really think we need to support them to show them love for the bravery which they show to defend our democracy. however, make no mistake about it is black would have done what those white in the guard largely white individuals did. we would have been commanded to be shot and killed on the spot. there's no denying that. so let's be clear. i'd like to disagree or just offer a different sentiment in regards to kathleen's comments were just a brief moment, specifically, as it pertains to 45, specifically stating that there are 5 people on both sides. well, it may, while it may seem or can be debated, he would, it was misinterpreted in terms of him saying that notion, i can just tell you, want to test personally that where he caught the city after you know everything happened. his comments were not about are you all ok, man, it was good people on both sides. his initial concern was why did you keep calling the 45 on television?

right. and i wish you, i would have done something different. he's a very selfish individual. he knew exactly, he's a smart guy. this guy knew exactly what he was saying when he talked about this might be nice people on both. he knew exactly what he was saying when he described and felt the problem to stand back and stand by. he knew exactly what he was doing on january 6th and he was trying to get individuals round up to go and do exactly what they did. he relished and all of them he relishes in chaos. and he's by and large whites for can i just say one more that really sort of a faster right here and yeah, really quickly, i think it is up to us as americans, and i call myself a true american because i love this country and argued like people were here before argued before anyone else outside of the native american french, we all have an obligation to ensure that our country has made a better place. and because we have that obligation, it's important to understand that we come in different facets just as easy and after we're this sharp paying, how much of the black panthers probably could misinterpret that people misinterpret

what they want, right? they learn and educate themselves on what they want to. it's time for all of what the, educate ourselves on, what's right and that specifically for fighting for equity. so why people use your privilege by people marginalize could use your power, like this place a better? well thank thank us kathleen, blue professor of us history at the university of chicago and west bellamy, chair of the political science department of virginia state university. thank you so much to both of you for being with us today. thank you. so what's the bottom line for many americans? the rawness in the reality of racial discrimination are in their face. they feel it every single day. for others is the exact opposite. they can spend their lives enjoying the privilege and access that their skin color gives them. and some of them have close to 0 awareness of the victims of this equation. and still others there consciously, purposely actively working to promote white supremacy. they want racism to be great again, but being unaware is not an acceptable excuse any more. silence helps this underground

network of white nationalism grow deeper and deeper. this problem is real folks. the former city council member of charlottesville is right. this will be a marathon, even though it should be a sprint injustice in racism really shouldn't have a place at americas table. and that's the bottom line. ah. a tens of thousands of children were born into old lives under the iso regime in iraq and syria. now many are in camps you the office over there we go to mothers, rejected by their own communities check if you think people are going to welcome them after that. of course not a new documentary, his that chilling and traumatic stories for the children throw stones at me, iraq's last generation coming soon on al jazeera. i was both of them. as australia burned,

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