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copies 90 to is not told for coffee. 19 has been terrible demonstration of the failure of human solely that we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter on al jazeera protests against iraq's election results. turn violence to parties that suffered losses insist last month. old was a fraud. people are increasingly frustrated at the political system. so what's next for a rack? this is insights for ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm rob matheson, iraq's prime minister has opened an investigation into violent protests against last month's election. at least 4 people were killed on friday when security forces open fire to clear demonstrators in baghdad. dozens more were injured. the fata

alliance, a pro arabian political groups had called the demonstrations alley results. show the alliance one about 15 seats that's down from 48 in the previous parliament. the biggest winner appears to be the party of shia cleric mocked other asada. electoral commission began a recount of some of the votes last week and said so far, the results haven't changed, but that hasn't stopped the processors claims of fraud. and thus, the lot i love, the more these price asked is a citizens who came out asking for a manual, recounts of the election. so it is their rice written in the constitution like these a citizen. so came out from all the provinces, boshra a mara, yala. they was citizens asking for their rights on yesterday. a catastrophe happened. audra 0 mock mood underwater has more from baghdad. funeral procession was held for those who were killed and fridays clashes between

protest has and security forces that need above dad's green zone. now, these protests who have been occupying this area for the 3rd week. now the supporters of the previously dominant political parties that lost in the october legislative elections. now these protests say they are trying to put pressure on the electoral commission on the government to hold a manual recount of old the votes. now, the electorate commission, on the other hand, says it has conducted at manual recount of about 25 percent of the votes that included the disputed volatile stations. but the results, according to the electronic commission, that is, it's our identical. they're not any different from the previous results. now these protest does include many military individuals belonging to the popular

mobilization forces. the popular mobilization mobilization forces out of the military arms of the up political posted the lost in the election. but it's interesting because some of them took part in the crack down on the anti government post, just back in 2000 lane t. now these protesters say that there was continue protesting here until their demands are met. their accusing the security forces of using live bullets and at gas tear gas canisters against them on friday would have to do a head for inside a study. but that ranks parliamentary elections were held a year earlier. that happened because in 2019 thousands of mostly young people rallied for political change and an end to corruption. but only 43 percent of

voters cast about at the lowest turn out in 18 years. the ok, let's bring in our guests in the northern iraqi, a city of our bill. we have as in most if i, she's a pro democracy activist in the sample. armitage, rusty, he's a director of the house of iraqi expertise foundation and in london. when at monsoon director of the iraq initiative at chatham house, if a warm welcome to each of you run out, i want to start with you. how do these protest we're seeing now compared to protests we've seen previously? well, i think what we've seen in the last 24 hours or more is protested the green zone, not from the same demographics that we saw from october 2019 those, you know, these protests and the last few days yesterday. and today are from people linked to certain factions that didn't do well in the elections, primarily linked to the alliance that represents the popular mobilization forces.

so having lost many seats in the elections going from 48 to around 17 there protesting the election. the electoral law, the whole process because they didn't do as well. and really what they're trying to say is, this is our power. elections aren't the only tool for government formation. here we are and where, where you can hear us loud and clear. so it's very much part of what happens as the different lead come together to form government. notwithstanding the direct results from the elections and these groups that didn't do as well as they had hoped to say, what is going to happen if these predominantly iran, by groups who object to these results don't get what they want. well, absolutely agreed with renowned in any way that the, the one who lost the elections actually now protesting bought them. i think the

most important thing is not the fact that the most important things as the borges outside the fed. there, the real pro iranian militia, lycra law, has balboa and new job, and so on, all of them, they're not inside the hash it. so the problem will be, if they don't have a real political background like that, they actually pushed a block like who, who lost in the election. it's supposed to be that her group will win at least 2025 seats. that it will, but those militia, in a way or another, that they will have their own umbrella there on political umbrella, which is different from no what happened yesterday is that even the leaders of the fed there go there like a iso, has ali, he went there are asking people to just come down, but also it is

a very important move. was a very important move to stop the political campaign done that much to the southern did because what month to that did 1st he changed his negotiation team, which it give us a message, is that the negotiation team, the previous one or the former one was not eligible to rush up things. the 2nd thing he leaned actually this negotiation team, this is new negotiation team to up, to make up a political campaign. why? to, to, to start to raising up a bit. his idea about getting the biggest, blocked into 170 seats. how's that will happen? he went to see how boise he went to hickman, he went to sealer body and also his negotiation team. so katie b negotiation team in baghdad. and what i knew is that he also or was ready to go to air bill to see must road captain strawberries,

annie to speak about making some sort of a majority government. now what's happened yesterday? it was very important to stop all these actions. and we also what's happened actually said look to that went up from baghdad, go outside baghdad, went to hannah, which show you that how much are the action that happened yesterday was very important to try to balance things in baghdad. so just to be clear, the actions that we saw yesterday were predominantly in your opinion geared towards stopping a campaign that was being put forward by mcdonald asada as opposed to an anti government campaign that we have seen in the past. as the most of our, i want to ask you about the level of turn i was back in, i was in baghdad in 2018. and even at that time, people were on the streets, protesting about corruption. they were project protesting about the poor infrastructure, which is endemic, of course, in iraq. and yet now we get to these elections and the turn out is so low. why is

that? well, the reason why the turn out to so low is that people have no more trust in the government and they have no more trust in the system. and they clearly said that even if we go on vote, it's the same political parties who will win. and the problem with not only with the political parties under systems, but in the same fix and but also is the new electoral looks which made it impossible for independent candidates or the smaller political parties to way even though, despite of this electoral law independent and the have one, but the problem is, what is going to happen now is the government formation going to be any different than before? that's the question. and the people knew that even though in 2019 in october of 2019, they were the ones who demanded for

a change. and that's the reason why that happened earlier, but it was still clear for them that no there was going to be no change that why they did not vote. unfortunately, the turn out was so low lower than it has ever been since the fall low. so down st in 2003, and this how many problems? because when the people no longer believe in the process been they have given up on their country really. and this is one of the biggest problems, but we have right now. and let's not forget that the protest that happened on fridays are totally different than the protests that happened 2 years ago. the project which took into account 19 where because people needed their basic, right? they needed electricity. they need to clean water. they needed john, double put unit cheese and they needed rest. oh,

this is what they were demanding. so we cannot compare those people to the process which happened yesterday on friday because that protest which happened on friday was led by external powers and lived by external people. i mean, let me ask you this. iraq's parliament, if i understand correctly, is designed to have representation from a wide variety of cultural and religious backgrounds and groupings within iraq. we have to remember that iraq has a very disparate array of different cultures, and religious are groupings within it. now on the face of it, that seems very laudable, but it seems to the very structure of it seems to lead us to what appears to be a perpetual stalemate in iraqi politics with situations that you and relied were talking about earlier. where there is horse trading going on, there are deals being done. people are trying to get hold of them the, the most important, the most lucrative, if you like ministries and how much of that is co,

is driving the problems that iraq is currently facing. well, i think right now, facing 3 main problem was, it's a new political system than dad established after 2003, number one legitimacy. now legitimacy, it can be given by the people. and we all know that the turn out was very low. it show you how much people desperate from this political system. this is the 1st. the 2nd thing is dad, who is getting benefit from their low turnout. it looks like that the solder a block or took the majority $73.00 seats. but at the same time, even the suntrust get only $800000.00 a votes from all of iraq. and if you are counting the suckers, especially in the southern city inside like that, which is baghdad, 8000000. they have 2000000 in the center city and the southern city,

the one who eligible to vote is about 1w1w and something. so you can imagine even inside the sundress, they also has a lotor are now. but well, the southern bit is that this is just for the 3rd thing is the new, the new low. yes, the suckers get the majority, but also it gives 20 percent for the independence and independent candidates. so it show you that there is that when you a chance, if this lot stay there, there is a chance in the next elections which may be in 11 year. that does not forget if a compromise happen, which i think it will happen between the suntrust and the others. that means it's only for a one year government. then after that there will be demonstration led by this address because they always doing something like that. it's their political behavior, just one year. take your minister ministries, take your money at said finish the government. so i think if this law will stay

there, it will push us for a new hope because we're already have 20 percent independent or candidates. that means or independent mbc, now that me is in the next governments, maybe this percentage will be higher or not. we are talking about groups of course which have weapons and have demonstrated in the past that they are prepared to use those weapons. given everything that armand has just said with regard to the this law, how confident do you think you could be that this is not going to spiral into another scene of violence that we have unfortunately seen in the strings of the streets of iraq and the past. i think there's 2 things here to to note. one is the question of whether these groups, all political parties in iraq have arms. it's heavily militarized society, whether the center is on one side and fed and mileage on the other side will actually come into a confrontation,

people in the past of kind of predicted at some point you might have a internal she, our civil war. i think although we will see tit for tat violence, it's highly unlikely that that will happen right now. what's happening is the fact that, and my like you are trying to remind the centrists that, you know, government being formed is not only on who wins at the ballot boxes. but it's much more than that. and we are here and we have weapons and we have force. and so that gives us a seat at the table. and so because of that, just like in the past, i think the side just won't have the appetite to go to an all out compensation. which means that that war within the different groups will probably be minimized. even though we will still still see tit for tat violence, but there's another kind of violence that's important, which is the violence that has been suppressing the protest movements and civil society in particular,

since 2019 of october that has become solidify the iraqi political system has viewed protests and civil society as the biggest threat. all the parties have come together, notwithstanding their differences inside the state and outside the state to work together to suppress, to repress mobilization of protesting civil society. those independence, this youth generation that increasing every year more and more, are under fear. so if the lessons of 2018 election was that many iraqis didn't think that voting could bring about change. sadly, a lesson we're learning and that glenn, the last few years is that protests are far more dangerous game that they used to be for the last few years. you've had a systematic campaign of assassinations of any leader who could mobilize independent protesters. that campaign continues. and it's sanctioned by the state

and because of that, a lot of civil society, it's not all live in fear of mobilizing. and that's why we don't see as many protests as we would have in october 2019. as in how do you mobilize people and energized people to take to the streets and supports of democracy in support if we wanted of political change if they are facing the kinds of threats that ranada says they're facing. well, i absolutely agree with 3, not the problem is the people are very scared. they are scared for their own last big when they're a protest, there are innocent people who are, who are just demanding their basic rights. and they want to live in peace and prosperity. but there are external groups who come and join. and these groups not only kill them at some point, but they threaten their families even after their death. and this is the real problem. people are scared, but there are people and there are some others who really want to make

a change and they keep on fighting for, for the fact. but it's impossible in a society that is so politicized where there is so much guns and weapon with every political party and where there are external powers that we don't even know where they can be. and when they can join the protests, because i am sure that when a and activists or civil society or normal youth go on the streets, they do not want violence because they are already tired of our people. our youth are tired of the life they are having right now. so when they go on the street, all they want is peace. but they stand all power and the political powers do not want them. not only didn't, but only yesterday, want one of the independent candidates to watch when there was an attempt for assassination, but you survive. so it's not only for the civil society or the people who want to protect,

but also for the independent candidate will have elected themselves and the question and who is behind all of this? and why army allowing break fees to come rules whereas, and these are all a points we need to focus on. and the, the thing is we need to make our use believe in voting system again, because even though some people say there is, there was brought in the elections, which happened, which happened last month. the, i had the independent tie election commission should come on tv. true, and now the real results they should bring back the hook in people and say that if there was drug or have been complaints, what the complain where the complaints, where i'm to explain all of this because the government and the whole system, all of that to the society to explain what has been done and how the process was and what should be done in the next step. when you talk about the and the

independent candidate tact here. so you see mentioned yesterday we're talking about friday. that's correct, isn't it? yes, yes. when i want to, well, i want to ask you because we're referring constantly to these quote, external powers that appear to be taking action within when inside iraq and appear to be doing so with no responsibility, no accountability whatsoever. let me ask you this, 1st of all, can we identify or are you in a position to be able to identify who those external powers are. secondly, if mccloud are al sada is placing himself as a nationalist and he refuses any outside influence. how likely is it, do you think the voters in iraq, what could actually follow looked either outside or if it meant an end to the external powers interfering in a rag that i seen was just talking about? so i mean, since 2003, iraq has been a playground for external actors. and it was

a government brought to the iraq is from a broad the decisions of how your system would be formed was made abroad. and, and since then, really, iraqis have been at the behest of external powers. initially, it was the u. s. occupation. and then increasingly, of course, the most dominant external power has been iran. but of course, let's not forget as well turkey's role in particularly northwestern iraq and it's influence there. so really iraq is in the middle and of these very strong regional powers and the strongest being iran, iran which has strong ties. not just to the sort of, you know, the militias that we often look at, but too many kurdish parties, many sydney parties. you're on has strong ties into the iraq. you formal government, outside the formal government. it's by far the strongest external power and it's, you know, and it's not perfect then it's not, it makes mistakes and it's not as strong as some would say. but compared to the

other regional and external actors, iran is definitely the strongest one. now government formation, since 2003 has been influenced by external actors, iran leading the campaign, but also the americans are involved the gulf. i mean turkey every sort of country in the region and abroad that has an interesting iraq is able because at the end of the day that sort of bottom up power of the iraqi system isn't there. many of the leaders don't have enough. now this needs to your 2nd question on what you know will look the other 2. although he's one he doesn't have enough to on his own form, a majority. which means that he'll have to bring certain parties together. and he has tried, as was said to bring together, for example, the k d p. and i'm to the side to drink raina majority. however, he will be frightened,

he will have to at the end of the day come to the table. so while his initial ambition is to create a majority, terry and government that excludes the fact there and man rekey and those groups that are seen as closer to iran. i believe at the end of the day it will still be a national consensus government just like it has been every time a government has been formed and we're beginning to see already the, you know, for many months now the negotiations over that. and let me bring you in here because is the structure of government that you think might be possible given everything that we've just talked about, given the situation and iraqi politics at the moment that could actually lead iraq forward out of this perennial hiatus that it seems to be working in and has been for for several years. while rob, what happened yesterday, it looks like it will stop the train on the southern. and when i got to make a majority government, it looks like a band. they will compromise,

they will reach to compromise, and i think the media will be who is actually taking in concern the file of iraq. and maybe the negotiation is started from yesterday night and the messages now and everyone is looking for a compromise. but how it will be managed as a compromise, does the federal court will go for many will for many counting votes that claim on their own. that way. maybe they will be change of seats, but even the change of seats will. but it will not that he will not, it will make it a real difference, but eventually changes or some seats, number of seats. it will give a, let's say, a push for a new negotiations between all the inside the house to try to unite themselves in

a way or another. but let us not forget, i seen the new government if it is, will be from what formed in a compromise. the prime minister will be also come from. i me, the problem is will not be back. but by those blocks, he will be independent. just like i'm a state, thank you very much indeed. and thanks to all i guess as we must before i'm as i see and ran out months or i'm thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website all 0 dot com 9 for further discussion. go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha. inside story, you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is a inside story for me or not with them. and the whole team here to bye, for now. i

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